5 minutes ago, DTCL11 said:

Another Gem...  like... she almost got to a decent point with complaining about airbnbs displacing full time residents... know what might help reduce the demand for airbnbs? A hotel on Livingston. Know what adds residents who are displaced by airbnbs... apartments... 

But if homes are getting "gobbled up" to be used as Air BnBs wouldn't a family which could have lived there need to move somewhere else? And if there isn't anywhere in the area to move, isn't that a housing shortage? Are those potential families also possibly being forced to rent due to the increased demand for housing in this area? And if there isn't anywhere to rent, wouldn't someone have to build them?

 

These people really don't think about anything other than "why is this negatively impacting me, and if there isn't anything obvious what can I make up".

41 minutes ago, DTCL11 said:

Another Gem...  like... she almost got to a decent point with complaining about airbnbs displacing full time residents... know what might help reduce the demand for airbnbs? A hotel on Livingston. Know what adds residents who are displaced by airbnbs... apartments... 

Wake up! 🤣 I really hope that hotel ends up going through. The design looks neat. I just don’t understand the mindset of preferring vacant lots and dilapidated buildings over things that the community can actually use and benefit from. 

It's because they're worried the "wrong" people will live, work or stay nearby.  Meaning poorer or less white than they are.  Those assumptions are rampant with apartments/hotels/abnbs when it comes to more affluent neighborhoods like GV and SP.

Edited January 6, 20223 yr by jonoh81

1 hour ago, jonoh81 said:

It's because they're worried the "wrong" people will live, work or stay nearby.  Meaning poorer or less white than they are.  Those assumptions are rampant with apartments/hotels/abnbs when it comes to more affluent neighborhoods like GV and SP.

It’s always the people that act the most tolerant who are actually the least.

Edited January 7, 20223 yr by wpcc88

48 minutes ago, wpcc88 said:

It’s always the people that act the most tolerant who are actually the least.

Uhh, no it’s not. Not even close. 

How about we refrain from unnecessarily labeling people as racists without having any evidence whatsoever to backup the claim. It’s tiresome and adds nothing of value to these threads. 

These people need to be for the hotel. Hotels have security and protocols in place for things getting out of hand besides just the cops. I think the Air BnB business model is kind of broken anyway due to lack of economies of scale and the support structure that comes with it but Silicon Valley doesn't care because "tech". The more we support hotels that locate in places besides the Outerbelt and right next to the Convention Center the better off we will be as a city.

 

Like I still can't figure out how Canal Winchester keeps getting more hotel rooms all the time. I think it has more than Lancaster now.

Edited January 7, 20223 yr by GCrites80s

2 hours ago, cbussoccer said:

How about we refrain from unnecessarily labeling people as racists without having any evidence whatsoever to backup the claim. It’s tiresome and adds nothing of value to these threads. 

Done, but I wasn’t speaking just about race. People can be intolerant about a lot of things besides that and that’s what I meant @jeremyck01. Age and class are the two that come to mind in this case. So I would argue that I’m correct in what I said based on those two categories in this case.

7 hours ago, wpcc88 said:

Done, but I wasn’t speaking just about race. People can be intolerant about a lot of things besides that and that’s what I meant @jeremyck01. Age and class are the two that come to mind in this case. So I would argue that I’m correct in what I said based on those two categories in this case.

Wasn’t speaking specifically about you. There are certain people here who accuse anyone who oppose development as not wanting to live next to poor black people. Being labeled a racist is one of the worst things you can be labeled in today’s society, so I if you are going to go around using that label, you better have some evidence to backup your claims. 
 

I think we need to keep in mind that a lot of people will oppose any development simply on the basis that something will change and they don’t like when things change. They’ll bring up shadows or traffic or whatever, but they really just don’t want something to change. People of all walks of life have this kind of outlook, but people in higher income areas like GV actually have the time and resources available to obnoxiously make their concerns known, so that’s where we typically hear the pushback. 

12 hours ago, cbussoccer said:

How about we refrain from unnecessarily labeling people as racists without having any evidence whatsoever to backup the claim. It’s tiresome and adds nothing of value to these threads. 

 

It's not without evidence, though.  Such issues have been extensively studied and the reasons for such opposition, despite claims about sunlight and height, are pretty well understood at this point.  It was the same motivation that kept suburban areas largely white and rich for decades.  Now, you could argue that it's not universal and that some people do object simply to protect an imagined view of their neighborhood, particularly the historical aspect, but there's a healthy "us vs them" element to a lot of it. 

Edited January 7, 20223 yr by jonoh81

50 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

 

It's not without evidence, though.  Such issues have been extensively studied and the reasons for such opposition, despite claims about sunlight and height, are pretty well understood at this point.  It was the same motivation that kept suburban areas largely white and rich for decades.  Now, you could argue that it's not universal and that some people do object simply to protect an imagined view of their neighborhood, particularly the historical aspect, but there's a healthy "us vs them" element to a lot of it. 

 

It is without evidence though. You can make a "study" say whatever you want it to say. It doesn't prove anything on the broad scale or individual basis. 

 

Look, many people move to an area because of what the area currently is, not what the area will likely become. Not everyone does this obviously. People moving to Franklinton right now are doing so because of what the area is becoming, not what it currently is. Same thing in OTE. But people who have moved to GV throughout the last ~30 years have done so because of what it is. They invested a ton of money into it and don't want it to change, and I can respect that.

 

I guarantee you they would have no issue with a black, brown, purple, blue, pink, or whatever color person if that person matched their socio-economic level and intended to maintain the status quo in the area. But on the other hand, if a "white trash" family from Obetz won the lottery and for some reason decided to move to GV, the people in the area wouldn't be too thrilled. Just imagine the angry FB posts about Jimbob fixing his car shirtless with his butt crack hanging out, while listening to the NASCAR race and drinking a Busch Light. It wouldn't go over too well, I promise you that. 

 

So yes, if your argument is that these people opposed to certain developments that perceive might devalue their investment and alter the character of the place they moved into, you are definitely correct and any rational person can see why this opposition might occur. But if you are going to continue on and attribute racial motives to be at the core of their opposition, without any evidence whatsoever, you are out of line.

 

With all that said, I do think the opposition to the project in question is ridiculous. If I lived on Jackson Street, behind where this will be built, I would much rather have this development behind me than an Enterprise Rent-a-Car lot. I would welcome the ground floor retail amenities with the hopes that some useful restaurants or retailers might take some space and actually increase my quality of life within my immediate surrounding area as well as increase my property value. But that's just me....

CBF’s article on the Livingston Ave redevelopment, with an update on the Copious redev in the Brewery District:

 

$45 million mixed-use project proposed across from Children's Hospital
 

“Tom Brigdon, with Northstar Realty, said the area needs new development.

"There's not a lot of restaurants over here, there's not a lot of workforce housing," Brigdon told Business First. "We're hoping to give people who work at Children's who aren't doctors an option to live close to work. We think this will be good for the area and good for the hospital." 

 

Brigdon said there will be three or four restaurants in about 19,000 square feet of commercial space.

 

Nearby on South High and Blenkner streets, Schiff is working on redeveloping the former Copious restaurant.

 

The proposed building there, called The Pierre, would include 67 units, with about 1,800 square feet of leasable retail or restaurant space on the ground floor and a second-floor amenity or clubhouse. The seven-story building would cost about $25 million to construct. 

 

Schiff Capital is in the process of working out a design for that project with the Brewery District Commission.

 

He said he hopes to start building the two projects within 60 days of each other and work on them simultaneously. ArchAll Architects is the architect for both projects.”

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/01/10/schiff-northstar-project.html

Here are some more renderings from that article. 

On 1/7/2022 at 9:05 AM, jonoh81 said:

 

It's not without evidence, though.  Such issues have been extensively studied and the reasons for such opposition, despite claims about sunlight and height, are pretty well understood at this point.  It was the same motivation that kept suburban areas largely white and rich for decades.  Now, you could argue that it's not universal and that some people do object simply to protect an imagined view of their neighborhood, particularly the historical aspect, but there's a healthy "us vs them" element to a lot of it. 

 

Another issue is that people become so SFH minded that literally all they can think about is SFH. They think it's the best investment (even though it's the worst), can't imagine why anyone would want to live in anything except SFH, if they rent it's SFH, and they "simply can't believe" that land that sold for $multi-millions would wind up with anything but SFH on it. Like they seriously expect someone to put up 3 SFHs at the Livingston site after spending millions of dollars on land and groundwork.

Edited January 12, 20223 yr by GCrites80s

Kreais, which is based in the South Side and recently got final approval for its planned Merion Village condos, has been working on rehabbing this building on Whittier for the past couple years. They made quite a bit of progress last year, but seemed to stall out at some point during the summer. IIRC, the original plan was for some sort of bar and diner. I think this will bring us up to, like, 8 food halls open or planned for the area? 
 

Food hall coming to Schumacher Place

 

 

“Kreais Cos. is rehabilitating the buildings at 364-368 E. Whittier St. with the goal of opening a 12,000-square-foot food hall in early 2023, said Principal Aaron Kreais.

 

Kreais said he wasn't ready to share how many food vendors would be in the space or the name of the development yet. He has owned the buildings since 2019.

 

Design on the food hall is about half done. The pandemic delayed some aspects of the project.”

 

Do we know anything else about this project?

 

”The developer also has a multifamily project in the works on Taylor Avenue near OSU Carepoint East. Jonathan Barnes is the architect on the project, which Kreais hopes to break ground on in late summer or early fall.”

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/01/12/food-hall-schumacher-place.html?utm_source=st&utm_medium=en&utm_campaign=bn&utm_content=co&ana=e_co_bn&j=26343403&senddate=2022-01-12

I like food halls but for the love of god can we get a different kind of market. Would be cool if this was more of a grocer food hall

18 minutes ago, smjjms said:

I like food halls but for the love of god can we get a different kind of market. Would be cool if this was more of a grocer food hall

A "food hall" where there are tons of little stalls selling small batch or local versions of specialty foods would be awesome. We don't need them all to be food service, a retail component similar to the few spots in the middle of North Market would be awesome. Not to mention, people might have time to kill while waiting for food so set up a damn handmade picture frame stall in the middle or something.

15 minutes ago, TIm said:

A "food hall" where there are tons of little stalls selling small batch or local versions of specialty foods would be awesome. We don't need them all to be food service, a retail component similar to the few spots in the middle of North Market would be awesome. Not to mention, people might have time to kill while waiting for food so set up a damn handmade picture frame stall in the middle or something.

I think some of them will have to eventually transition into more of something like that. There are so many in the market right now and at some point people won’t travel to different ones. It would be great for them to turn into little neighborhood grocers with local food and goods. 

5 minutes ago, VintageLife said:

I think some of them will have to eventually transition into more of something like that. There are so many in the market right now and at some point people won’t travel to different ones. It would be great for them to turn into little neighborhood grocers with local food and goods. 

Especially with Giant Eagle gone, I think having several fresh food vendors is a great idea. I love the food halls we have right now, but I’m afraid we might be getting close to over-saturation. 

Man it's so hard to get a finger on how well the food halls are going to do in the future right now with COVID still around. When it's under control for a while we'll have a much better idea.

On 1/7/2022 at 10:37 AM, cbussoccer said:

 

It is without evidence though. You can make a "study" say whatever you want it to say. It doesn't prove anything on the broad scale or individual basis. 

 

Look, many people move to an area because of what the area currently is, not what the area will likely become. Not everyone does this obviously. People moving to Franklinton right now are doing so because of what the area is becoming, not what it currently is. Same thing in OTE. But people who have moved to GV throughout the last ~30 years have done so because of what it is. They invested a ton of money into it and don't want it to change, and I can respect that.

 

I guarantee you they would have no issue with a black, brown, purple, blue, pink, or whatever color person if that person matched their socio-economic level and intended to maintain the status quo in the area. But on the other hand, if a "white trash" family from Obetz won the lottery and for some reason decided to move to GV, the people in the area wouldn't be too thrilled. Just imagine the angry FB posts about Jimbob fixing his car shirtless with his butt crack hanging out, while listening to the NASCAR race and drinking a Busch Light. It wouldn't go over too well, I promise you that. 

 

So yes, if your argument is that these people opposed to certain developments that perceive might devalue their investment and alter the character of the place they moved into, you are definitely correct and any rational person can see why this opposition might occur. But if you are going to continue on and attribute racial motives to be at the core of their opposition, without any evidence whatsoever, you are out of line.

 

With all that said, I do think the opposition to the project in question is ridiculous. If I lived on Jackson Street, behind where this will be built, I would much rather have this development behind me than an Enterprise Rent-a-Car lot. I would welcome the ground floor retail amenities with the hopes that some useful restaurants or retailers might take some space and actually increase my quality of life within my immediate surrounding area as well as increase my property value. But that's just me....

 

I think people generally vastly underestimate the impact of personal biases.  You don't have to take studies seriously, but I think it would be foolish to ignore what they keep concluding.  And again, I am not saying things like racial and other social biases are exclusively the basis of the opposition, but they likely do play some kind of role in the resistence to neighborhood changes in general.  The ridiculousness and sheer anger of many of the arguments made against projects like the Whittier "Whale" or the the Livingston hotel suggest that irrational and emotional bias is based more on fear than objective facts.  People don't get afraid of a 5-story height.  They get afraid of people and the perception of who they are and what they might bring- such as crime.  

 

It's not like the Short North, which was filled with new apartment projects, caused nearby neighborhoods to drop in value.  No, they skyrocketed, so the argument that this is all about potential falling property values is nonsense.  It's not supportable.  And NIMBYs would know and understand that their property values aren't being threatened if this opposition was coming from a place of objectivity.  You basically admit as much when you said they wouldn't be opposed to minorities moving in so long as they were in the same economic class, as if anyone poorer than that would trash the neighborhood.  Racial bias isn't the only irrational bias at play and German Village isn't a gated community only open to rich people, nor should it be.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 12, 20223 yr by jonoh81

On 11/30/2021 at 8:27 AM, amped91 said:

I noticed this little infill project coming up a short while ago, so I decided to get some pictures and find out more about it today. 
 

 

 

 

It’s located between 9th and Lathrop, so it’s right on the Schumacher Place side of the SP/GV border. It’s a project from Roby Development called Jackson Mews, and once it’s completed next year it will feature four townhome units. Below is a rendering of the final product:

 

 

https://www.jacksonmews.com

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CY0BhEzqA7q/?utm_medium=copy_link
 

Cool little drone video shows progress on this development. 

Not really anything new, but this is still, if you have the time, an interesting read on increasing density in the city and opposition to such:

 

Pizzuti vs. The Neighbors: The German Village-Area Development Highlights Some Complicated Questions
 

“The tension around the development of 280 E. Whittier St. is an example of the kind of debate that already is playing out in neighborhoods across Columbus—the kind of debate that is only likely to get more contentious as more and more people move to this area. “People talk about how divided we are as a country politically,” says Jon Melchi, executive director of the Building Industry Association of Central Ohio, an organization that advocates for and supports builders. “And I can tell you that the bluest parts of Columbus and the reddest parts of Delaware County all seem to have the same perspective on residential development, which is, ‘I’m in favor of it, just not right there.’””

https://www.columbusmonthly.com/story/lifestyle/features/2022/01/24/pizzuti-german-village-development-whale-sign-columbus-population-growth-housing-rental-prices/9198996002/?fbclid=IwAR1ktj20oKdp46tkuC4fkvFmVDkUijL1AcBffaJHFBjvxVOaHXawywkAx1I

1 hour ago, amped91 said:

Not really anything new, but this is still, if you have the time, an interesting read on increasing density in the city and opposition to such:

 

Pizzuti vs. The Neighbors: The German Village-Area Development Highlights Some Complicated Questions
 

“The tension around the development of 280 E. Whittier St. is an example of the kind of debate that already is playing out in neighborhoods across Columbus—the kind of debate that is only likely to get more contentious as more and more people move to this area. “People talk about how divided we are as a country politically,” says Jon Melchi, executive director of the Building Industry Association of Central Ohio, an organization that advocates for and supports builders. “And I can tell you that the bluest parts of Columbus and the reddest parts of Delaware County all seem to have the same perspective on residential development, which is, ‘I’m in favor of it, just not right there.’””

https://www.columbusmonthly.com/story/lifestyle/features/2022/01/24/pizzuti-german-village-development-whale-sign-columbus-population-growth-housing-rental-prices/9198996002/?fbclid=IwAR1ktj20oKdp46tkuC4fkvFmVDkUijL1AcBffaJHFBjvxVOaHXawywkAx1I

 

I subscribe to Columbus Monthly, so I've been waiting for this article to come on-line (they usually wait about 3-4 weeks after print publication) just so I could post the graphic they used for the title:

 

4 hours ago, amped91 said:

Not really anything new, but this is still, if you have the time, an interesting read on increasing density in the city and opposition to such:

 

Pizzuti vs. The Neighbors: The German Village-Area Development Highlights Some Complicated Questions
 

“The tension around the development of 280 E. Whittier St. is an example of the kind of debate that already is playing out in neighborhoods across Columbus—the kind of debate that is only likely to get more contentious as more and more people move to this area. “People talk about how divided we are as a country politically,” says Jon Melchi, executive director of the Building Industry Association of Central Ohio, an organization that advocates for and supports builders. “And I can tell you that the bluest parts of Columbus and the reddest parts of Delaware County all seem to have the same perspective on residential development, which is, ‘I’m in favor of it, just not right there.’””

https://www.columbusmonthly.com/story/lifestyle/features/2022/01/24/pizzuti-german-village-development-whale-sign-columbus-population-growth-housing-rental-prices/9198996002/?fbclid=IwAR1ktj20oKdp46tkuC4fkvFmVDkUijL1AcBffaJHFBjvxVOaHXawywkAx1I

 

Good article.  It really hones in on the point that everyone says they're for development until they think it'll impact them, and how all those small size and unit reductions adds up to a negative citywide and regional impact.  It's one of the reasons I also always advocate bigger and denser regardless.

 

Also, Brenda Gischel is a classic and worst kind of NIMBY who, like the rest, talks a good game about "being for development", but then immediately organizes to railroad development into submission using manipulative emotional arguments under the guise of being a responsible neighbor.  

Edited January 26, 20223 yr by jonoh81

25 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

Also, Brenda Gischel is a classic and worst kind of NIMBY who, like the rest, talks a good game about "being for development", but then immediately organizes to railroad development into submission using manipulative emotional arguments under the guise of being a responsible neighbor.  

 

It would be amazing if Pizzuti just sat on this until the city changes the zoning code, and then present the project at 8 stories with twice the units and no parking. 

Edited January 26, 20223 yr by VintageLife

1 hour ago, VintageLife said:

It would be amazing if Pizzuti just sat on this until the city changes the zoning code, and then present the project at 8 stories with twice the units and no parking. 

 

OMG, please let this happen.  

 

Seriously, though, it seems to be an open question whether the new zoning will be standardized across the city, or still leave some areas with stricter codes.  I could easily see SP being one of those that doesn't see as much change as say, Linden or Hilltop.  

19 hours ago, jonoh81 said:

 

OMG, please let this happen.  

 

Seriously, though, it seems to be an open question whether the new zoning will be standardized across the city, or still leave some areas with stricter codes.  I could easily see SP being one of those that doesn't see as much change as say, Linden or Hilltop.  

I’m not going to hold my breath, but I really hope it’s as standardized as possible. If the zoning is good enough for Hilltop or Linden, there’s no reason it shouldn’t be good enough for SP or Clintonville. An arterial with a bus route deserves the same amount of density regardless of neighborhood (at least outside of downtown). A big reason the code needs overhauled is because it’s inconsistent and difficult to navigate - carving out loads of exceptions for NIMBY neighborhoods defeats that purpose. 

^And, because of the complexity and the legal fees needed to maneuver through the City, a lot of potential small developers are locked out of the process. If it were more straightforward (and less money spent on variances and the like), I believe a smaller developer could construct a building with a smaller footprint thereby creating more architecturally diverse neighborhoods. Currently to build something that makes money a developer needs to build a massive 5 over 1 building to recoup soft costs. I'm not against developers making money but diversity would benefit the community more.

Stupid paywall, but it's on the Dispatch website that the Whalers just lost their appeal to stop the Giant Eagle site project.  Teehee...

Edited February 9, 20223 yr by jonoh81

Whale isn't that special!

 

34 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

Stupid paywall, but it's on the Dispatch website that the Whalers just lost their appeal to stop the Giant Eagle site project.  Teehee...

Here’s that article:

 

Judge dismisses appeal of rezoning former Giant Eagle site for housing in Schumacher Place

 

“A judge has cleared the way for Pizzuti Cos. to continue construction of a controversial development on the site of a former Giant Eagle store in the Schumacher Place neighborhood next to German Village.

 

Franklin County Common Pleas Judge Dan Hawkins ruled in favor of Pizzuti and Columbus City Council in dismissing an appeal by residents opposed to the council's decision to rezone the site at 280 E. Whittier St. Pizzuti plans to build a 4 1/2-story building with 262 residential units on the site.

 

Work at the site has been stopped for months since the store was demolished in September, apparently while Pizzuti awaited the outcome of the lawsuit. It was not immediately clear when Pizzuti would resume work at the fenced site.“

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2022/02/09/judge-dismisses-appeal-rezoned-site-housing-near-german-village/6709091001/

 

Thoughts and prayers!

Pizutti should hang various photos of whales on site fencing for the duration of construction.  

262 units on the way!!! Yasss! lol. They really should have a seafood restaurant and call it The Whaler or something. Ohhh I can almost feel the bitterness from The Whalers from 20 miles away lol. I hope construction starts up again tomorrow! 

12 minutes ago, Toddguy said:

They really should have a seafood restaurant and call it The Whaler or something.

 

Or a strip club called Moby Dick's.

Just now, ColDayMan said:

 

Or a strip club called Moby d*ck's.

I think I like this better. I would like it even more if it was an LGBTQ establishment. Nothing like loud drunken rowdy gays in the streets in the middle of the night...I remember it well lol.  I mean they are a liberal enclave right?-and they need some 'nightlife' lol

After all the drama over this project, I actually forgot that this development isn't officially called "The Whale" 😁 In fact I casually referred to it as "The Whale development" to a random person recently lol

Finally approved, then?! I love it when NIMBYs lose. So happy about this.

Which one of you made this comment? 😆

 

On 2/9/2022 at 4:44 PM, ColDayMan said:

 

Or a strip club called Moby d*ck's.

 

Of if it was in Dayton it would have a strip club🤣

I know a lot of Dispatch articles end up on a non-paywalled site (This Week News or something?) but here's a free one from Yahoo - https://news.yahoo.com/judge-dismisses-residents-appeal-over-174215135.html

 

Quote

A judge has cleared the way for Pizzuti Cos. to continue construction of a controversial development on the site of a former Giant Eagle store in the Schumacher Place neighborhood next to German Village.

 

Franklin County Common Pleas Judge Dan Hawkins ruled in favor of Pizzuti and Columbus City Council in dismissing an appeal by residents opposed to the council's decision to rezone the site at 280 E. Whittier St. Pizzuti plans to build a 4 1/2-story building with 262 residential units on the site.

 

Emphasis mine.  Also...

 

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"Columbus just experienced the largest numerical population growth in our history," said Wilkos, a Census numbers cruncher who has studied demographic changes in Columbus for years and was formerly a researcher with The Columbus Foundation. "There is not one neighborhood in the city of Columbus untouched by the growth of our city and the housing demand this growth has placed on neighborhoods."

 

This guy definitely has visited the census thread here, right?

 

To the comments!

 

 

A lot of amateur lawyers coming out of the woodwork.

 

 

 

Now that it appears the units are going in, residents are suddenly concerned there will be no low income units.  Sure, sure.

 

 

Ah, now your opinion only counts if your yard will no longer receive sunlight because of The Whale going in.

 

 

When they want it to serve them, those complaining ignore that the proposed plan is for 4.5 stories (often exaggerating to 5 or 6 stories).  If someone chimes in who lives in Merion Village but agrees with them, that's ok.  If they're from Merion Village but disagrees with them...suddenly, they can't have an opinion because they don't live close enough.

 

Hope you enjoyed this comedy series.  I redacted names because I guess technically they're not posting on a fully public site.

 

EDIT - I present to you 3rd and Whittier, a mere couple blocks from The Whale.  Note that there are *TWO* three-story buildings at this intersection, dwarfing the poor 2/2.5 story homes nearby, depriving their yards of sunlight.  https://www.google.com/maps/@39.944333,-82.9944347,3a,75y,179.13h,94.81t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKbNkl8M8xWtrVR85FEGJIQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

Edited February 15, 20223 yr by DarkandStormy

They act like this 4.5 story building will kill their neighborhood or change it into the Short North or something. In reality it will probably end up being way more aesthetically pleasing, less traffic, and more peaceful than the Giant Eagle that was there before. It's a no brainer really. Also, I had to update you guys - this project has gone so insane that my professor talked about it in one of my classes the other day 😁

6 minutes ago, Dblcut3 said:

Also, I had to update you guys - this project has gone so insane that my professor talked about it in one of my classes the other day 

 

Are you studying to become a marine biologist? 

3 hours ago, cbussoccer said:

 

Are you studying to become a marine biologist? 

Is that a titleist!?

Someone let us know when this starts breaking ground...I may want to go down and check it out in person...whale surfacings are rare in Central Ohio-don't want to miss it!

 

*I may want to show up with a sign supporting this development and just walk around so the German Villains can see it lol.

1 hour ago, Toddguy said:

Someone let us know when this starts breaking ground...I may want to go down and check it out in person...whale surfacings are rare in Central Ohio-don't want to miss it!

 

*I may want to show up with a sign supporting this development and just walk around so the German Villains can see it lol.

I live in Merion Village and drive by everyday to check it.  I can definitely let you know!

More materials being dropped off today. Maybe we’ll finally see a groundbreaking soon?

 

The 459 E Livingston mixed-use project from Schiff will go before the South Side Area Commission next month, and, in preparation, they have submitted a slightly revised proposal, based on City and SPAC feedback. Massing will be reduced on the southern end as the project moves closer to the neighborhood, total units has increased slightly from 163 to 170, parking spaces have increased from 179 to 208, and now the garage will be partially below-grade. 
 

 

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BNa6jxPni_ilvpYw08acTvcEQhb6e2LV/view