18 hours ago, ink said:

Interesting to see the old yellow brick from the Big Bear days. Amazing that it was reclad in red brick.

RIP Big Bear and their raisin-less oatmeal cookies ❤️

Big Bear donuts! They ruined me on other donuts for life.

Found on Nextdoor

7 minutes ago, Imwalle said:

Found on Nextdoor

These people really are just supercilious beyond belief. 

Wait a minute..... are they saying there was dust outside?! This is an outrage! I got my neighbor arrested for sweeping their walkway so the police should be able to easily round up all those pesky construction workers and their assault dust and send them to jail! Nobody should ever have to sneeze!

Edited September 29, 20213 yr by TIm

Residents should have been wearing a face mask.

2 hours ago, Imwalle said:

Found on Nextdoor

*Gets Covid*

*Blames the development*

Edited September 29, 20213 yr by TH3BUDDHA

1 hour ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

*Gets Covid*

*Blames the development*

 

Didn't you know whales don't wear masks?

The National Aquarium begs to differ

 

 

17 minutes ago, DTCL11 said:

The National Aquarium begs to differ

 

 

 

But what about the blow hole?

3 hours ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

*Gets Covid*

*Blames the development*

 

Thanks Obama.

 

After demolition began, the NIMBYs that are suing the city/Pizzuti over the rezoning and variances filed a motion to stay, in an attempt to prevent any further demolition or construction. Their motion was denied.

 

 

I still can’t believe the German Villains actually brought a lawsuit over it. How pathetic. I wish them the dustiest, noisiest construction period possible 😂

Work continues on the Southwind Motel on South High

 

 

I noticed this little infill project coming up a short while ago, so I decided to get some pictures and find out more about it today. 
 

 

 

 

It’s located between 9th and Lathrop, so it’s right on the Schumacher Place side of the SP/GV border. It’s a project from Roby Development called Jackson Mews, and once it’s completed next year it will feature four townhome units. Below is a rendering of the final product:

 

 

https://www.jacksonmews.com

Looks great now let’s sprinkle 10 more in that neighborhood and some in Italian village too.

Apparently some of the anti-whalers are starting more rumors!  Lol

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2021/12/03/giant-eagle-trader-joes-not-eyeing-former-grocer.html

37 minutes ago, Luvcbus said:

Apparently some of the anti-whalers are starting more rumors!  Lol

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2021/12/03/giant-eagle-trader-joes-not-eyeing-former-grocer.html

Wait.... is the entire "article" that one sentence with no sources?

1 hour ago, TIm said:

Wait.... is the entire "article" that one sentence with no sources?

 

That might be what the website shows for non-subscribers.  The full article shoots down the local rumors with quotes from Pizzuti's vice president of development and spokespeople from Trader Joe's and Giant Eagle.

4 hours ago, Luvcbus said:

Apparently some of the anti-whalers are starting more rumors!  Lol

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2021/12/03/giant-eagle-trader-joes-not-eyeing-former-grocer.html

Started off happy reading this article seejng the project move forward and then was immediately sad after seeing them say there’s no new TJs on the horizon in any location lol.
 

I was in Grand Rapids recently and my friend lived near Bridge Street Market and I couldn’t help but to think how perfect that kind of addition would be to the “warehouse district” or in all the construction happening in/near franklinton. The brewery district Kroger serves way too many people 

We likely won't see a Trader Joe's in the core for awhile, if ever. While the population is growing and getting closer to what might be expected for a Trader Joe's, in general, they look heavily at household income and the baseline for them appears to be median household income over 100k within a 2-5 mile radius. Many locations have median incomes much higher toward the 200k range within 2 miles.  There are few exceptions. 

 

While a place like German Village has many residents that make good money. And certainly a place like downtown, IV, etc see plenty of high income earners, the median income of those zip codes would appear to be well below the threshold for a Trader Joe's. 

 

It's probably a pipe dream for anyone to expect one anytime soon since Trader Joe's puts that metric so high on their list. 

 

Would be better for a neighborhood or city to put more stock and energy into getting another grocer.

That radius also dips into the South Side and Franklinton which are still going to pull down your numbers.

I don't really get the obsession with a Trader Joe's for every neighborhood.  They're not affordable for lower to mixed-income people as a regular grocery store.  That's why their income requirements are so high- they know the poor can't shop there.  

17 hours ago, jonoh81 said:

I don't really get the obsession with a Trader Joe's for every neighborhood.  They're not affordable for lower to mixed-income people as a regular grocery store.  That's why their income requirements are so high- they know the poor can't shop there.  

I don’t get this statement at all. TJ is popular because many of their prices are lower than you will find in a “regular” grocery store. This is because most products are their own private label. 
 

And I find it hard to believe that they have income requirements that high. I’m in LA (TJ HQ is nearby in Glendora) where there is a TJ on every corner - not just LA either, but all over Southern California and there are many locations where the median household income does not approach 100K and certainly not 200K.  

You're in a high density are near a HQ.  Beyond that area, things are different. 

 

https://www.mcall.com/business/mc-biz-why-trader-joes-hasnt-opened-lehigh-valley-store-20190828-7icd2wpj25ezblyaci6ocoxsy4-story.html

 

"Stern and David Livingston, an expert in supermarket location research, said Trader Joe’s typically looks for median household income in excess of $100,000. The perfect storm, Livingston said, is high incomes and expensive homes within the first 2 miles of the potential site, with maybe a major university or large medical complex sprinkled on top."

 

Here's another that supports the demographics. 

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/typical-trader-joes-shopper-demographic-younger-married-earning-80k-income-2021-9

 

And as much as they talk about density, outside of major cities, most Trader Joe's are found in the high end suburbs and lifestyle centers in the less population dense areas. 

 

Ohio is obviously a big example of that. But let's look at DC Metro. Silver Springs has a super dense downtown and it's getting more dense by the year. The trader joes is miles away, non accessible to anyone without a car. Tucked into the 20901 where the median household income of it and its adjacent zip codes exceeds 100k. 

 

The examples of places where this isn't the case are the exception to the rule. Even in peer cities, urban TJs are going in, they tend to follow this trend. Why not put a TJ in uptown Charlotte where the population exceeds 30k? Because you can put it the near southeast neighborhood near the university and university hospital where the median household income is close to 200k. 

 

If you look at census tracts of median household income and TJs, you'll see it.  If I had kept up on my arcgis skills, I'd throw together a map that shows the correlation, but anyway. Outside of some places in California and a handful of major metros locations where population density is significantly higher, income is a major factor for TJ for most of the US. 

 

While TJ is verifiably less expensive, it's not less expensive in an effort to increase access or fill food desert voids. They take on zero debt. Ever. So it's very risk averse. TJs exists to serve communities of privelege who don't understand that fact. Hence, to JonOh's point, an obsession of high income earners wanting them in 'every neighborhood,' more accurately, every island of privilege. And while communities of lower income would benefit from a TJ, that's simply not their way. 

....................

 

It's all moot. The whale is too small for a grocer. if GV residents want to himhaw over grocers, then they should advocate for more development to attract the commercial space and density to pull in a new one. 

 

If the goal is affordable, would be interesting to see an urban Aldi or even Lidl for fun. 

 

Edited December 4, 20213 yr by DTCL11

22 hours ago, Luvcbus said:

Apparently some of the anti-whalers are starting more rumors!  Lol

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2021/12/03/giant-eagle-trader-joes-not-eyeing-former-grocer.html

Am I reading it correctly then that Pizzuti is waiting until the case is dismissed to start construction on the project? I wonder if the anti-whalers are aware that if their case were to win, they’d be stuck with a giant hole in the ground and a vacant parking lot for quite some time. Giant Eagle—or any other grocer—isn’t coming back to that spot. 

1 hour ago, DTCL11 said:

 

 

If the goal is affordable, would be interesting to see an urban Aldi or even Lidl for fun. 

 

I would love a few more Aldi stores throughout the city. They’re actually affordable, have paid decent wages for years now, and have a much smaller footprint than the big box grocers. 

3 hours ago, DTCL11 said:

You're in a high density are near a HQ.  Beyond that area, things are different. 

 

https://www.mcall.com/business/mc-biz-why-trader-joes-hasnt-opened-lehigh-valley-store-20190828-7icd2wpj25ezblyaci6ocoxsy4-story.html

 

"Stern and David Livingston, an expert in supermarket location research, said Trader Joe’s typically looks for median household income in excess of $100,000. The perfect storm, Livingston said, is high incomes and expensive homes within the first 2 miles of the potential site, with maybe a major university or large medical complex sprinkled on top."

 

Here's another that supports the demographics. 

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/typical-trader-joes-shopper-demographic-younger-married-earning-80k-income-2021-9

 

And as much as they talk about density, outside of major cities, most Trader Joe's are found in the high end suburbs and lifestyle centers in the less population dense areas. 

 

Ohio is obviously a big example of that. But let's look at DC Metro. Silver Springs has a super dense downtown and it's getting more dense by the year. The trader joes is miles away, non accessible to anyone without a car. Tucked into the 20901 where the median household income of it and its adjacent zip codes exceeds 100k. 

 

The examples of places where this isn't the case are the exception to the rule. Even in peer cities, urban TJs are going in, they tend to follow this trend. Why not put a TJ in uptown Charlotte where the population exceeds 30k? Because you can put it the near southeast neighborhood near the university and university hospital where the median household income is close to 200k. 

 

If you look at census tracts of median household income and TJs, you'll see it.  If I had kept up on my arcgis skills, I'd throw together a map that shows the correlation, but anyway. Outside of some places in California and a handful of major metros locations where population density is significantly higher, income is a major factor for TJ for most of the US. 

 

While TJ is verifiably less expensive, it's not less expensive in an effort to increase access or fill food desert voids. They take on zero debt. Ever. So it's very risk averse. TJs exists to serve communities of privelege who don't understand that fact. Hence, to JonOh's point, an obsession of high income earners wanting them in 'every neighborhood,' more accurately, every island of privilege. And while communities of lower income would benefit from a TJ, that's simply not their way. 

....................

 

It's all moot. The whale is too small for a grocer. if GV residents want to himhaw over grocers, then they should advocate for more development to attract the commercial space and density to pull in a new one. 

 

If the goal is affordable, would be interesting to see an urban Aldi or even Lidl for fun. 

 

Thanks for the info. I guess I’m spoiled here with a TJ on every corner. I agree that an urban Aldi would be a good fit for the neighborhood. 
 

I mistakenly used to think Aldi and TJ were owned by the same company until I did some digging. Here is a link to one of the several articles I read that explains the ownership structure:  https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thekitchn.com/aldi-trader-joes-parent-company-rumor-260999%3famp=1

2 hours ago, amped91 said:

I would love a few more Aldi stores throughout the city. They’re actually affordable, have paid decent wages for years now, and have a much smaller footprint than the big box grocers. 

I was discussing grocery stores in Cbus with someone on Columbus Reddit a few months back and tried to get a generic count of how many locations each major brand has in Franklin County.  I was kind of surprised how many Aldi there are in the county because it doesn't seem like there's a whole lot of them...

 

I came up with this rough count:

52 Kroger - 14 Aldi - 13 Giant Eagle - 10 Walmart - 9 Target - 9 Meijer - 4 Fresh Thyme - 3 Whole Foods - 2 Saraga

 

(I think we included a few locations outside of Franklin County if they were real close to the border, like the Meijer and WalMart in Lewis Center were included, even though they're just outside of the Franklin County line.)

Edited December 4, 20213 yr by Luvcbus
Clarification

I don’t understand why the neighbors want a grocery in that location. Groceries attract so much more traffic than apartments. Isn’t traffic one of the issues neighbors have with “the whale?”

They think residential attracts more traffic than a supermarket. 

Don't want to jump to any conclusions here, but there is some activity at the future whale site on Whittier.

There's a few trucks parked there with steel.

 

On 12/4/2021 at 2:37 PM, Pablo said:

I don’t understand why the neighbors want a grocery in that location. Groceries attract so much more traffic than apartments. Isn’t traffic one of the issues neighbors have with “the whale?”

 

 

My guess is a bunch of people in the area enjoyed walking to that location for a quick grocery stop and they don't want to walk across High Street to Kroger or (*gasp*) go near Parsons to the IGA.  It was one of two "safe" grocery locations south of downtown, if I have the language correct (tongue firmly in cheek).

18 minutes ago, DarkandStormy said:

My guess is a bunch of people in the area enjoyed walking to that location for a quick grocery stop and they don't want to walk across High Street to Kroger or (*gasp*) go near Parsons to the IGA.  It was one of two "safe" grocery locations south of downtown, if I have the language correct (tongue firmly in cheek).

 

Oh, I get it. In my neighborhood of South Clintonville I have 3 groceries within walking distance. Having smaller grocers in neighborhoods is an overall benefit for everyone except for the grocers bottom line. My comment was pointing out the absurdity of complaining about the traffic an apartment building generates while wanting a grocery (a much higher traffic generating use). But I think you understand that too.

21 hours ago, CbusOrBust said:

Don't want to jump to any conclusions here, but there is some activity at the future whale site on Whittier.

There's a few trucks parked there with steel.

 

 

Hmm, I think the asphalt would be pulled up and grading started before steel arrives.

1 minute ago, GCrites80s said:

 

Hmm, I think the asphalt would be pulled up and grading started before steel arrives.

That's what I thought too, so I drove back over here to see what's going on. They're unloading steel as we speak. I talked to one of the drivers, he said they are getting ready to rip up the asphalt, but for some reason they had to deliver the steel now. He said they have a lot more on the way.

 

I think we're about to see the birth of a new whale in town!

 

 

Well there we have it!

I'll bet that steel is for shoring to allow for excavation along the edge of the property, not for the actual building itself.

 

30 minutes ago, Pablo said:

I'll bet that steel is for shoring to allow for excavation along the edge of the property, not for the actual building itself.

 

You're probably right...   I'm just excited there's activity on site!

1 hour ago, Pablo said:

 

Oh, I get it. In my neighborhood of South Clintonville I have 3 groceries within walking distance. Having smaller grocers in neighborhoods is an overall benefit for everyone except for the grocers bottom line. My comment was pointing out the absurdity of complaining about the traffic an apartment building generates while wanting a grocery (a much higher traffic generating use). But I think you understand that too.

3 stores within walking distance and they either fall under the category of "terrible" or "expensive" sadly. That Kroger right on N. Broadway is one of the crappiest grocery stores I've ever been to. The Giant Eagle in Clintonville also dedicates way too much space to alcohol and have relatively small selections in other departments because of it. Lucky's is awesome but it's tough to do full shopping trips there as you'll spend $250. If I need to do full shopping trips and be budget conscious I usually drive to UA Kroger or something.

Edited December 7, 20213 yr by TIm

Oh, I don't think the Broadway store is that bad if you're going for staples. It's much better than the grocery I went to in Estonia in 1991 during the Soviet era - they only had white vinegar and beets.

15 hours ago, Pablo said:

Oh, I don't think the Broadway store is that bad if you're going for staples. It's much better than the grocery I went to in Estonia in 1991 during the Soviet era - they only had white vinegar and beets.

I'll fight you on this! One of the worst Kroger stores I've ever been to, possibly the worst! It's so narrow, they have the tiniest selection (they don't even carry some of the items I get on every shopping trip), the shelves are often barren and the produce is often way too close to spoiled or actually covered in mold.

Oh sure, there are better Krogers but I always seem to find what I need.

 

Back on topic - The longer the asphalt parking lot stays in place the less erosion control measures need to be taken and less mud on the streets.

We’re finally getting more details on the project from Schiff that’s been proposed for the former Shane’s site. Overall, I like it; I’m glad to see more retail and density being added to this area. Makes sense with such a big jobs center across the street. 
 

Five-Story Building Proposed for Livingston Avenue

 

“A five-story mixed-use building has been proposed for a key block of East Livingston Avenue, across from the expanding Nationwide Children’s Hospital campus. 

 

The project would require the demolition of several buildings between Ninth Street and Washington Avenue, including the former home of Shane’s Gourmet Catering, an Enterprise Rent-a-Car location, and the building that once held the Art Outside the Lines studio.

 

The proposal calls for a 163-unit building with ground floor retail and a 179-space, internal parking garage. A council variance has been submitted to the city since the building is taller and offers fewer parking spaces than allowed by the current commercial zoning. Also included in the variance are provisions to allow for the building to be closer to the street, and to allow residential uses on the ground floor (townhomes on the first floor are proposed for the Washington Avenue side of the building).

 

The new building would extend over what is now Dutch Alley, allowing cars and pedestrians to pass through underneath. 

 

Schiff Capital Group and Northstar Realty LLC are the developers behind the project, which is a revision of an earlier proposal that Northstar first brought to the neighborhood in 2018.”

 

https://www.columbusunderground.com/five-story-building-proposed-for-livingston-avenue-bw1/?fbclid=IwAR1baIsQh0rXfpvzEZiK7r8ipU5DYTEAFDyJIcPEqfuB73bjlsDVo2WK1gU

 

And like clockwork....

 

From NextDoor.... which is naturally the place to coordinate opposition to development.

 

Edit: not only is the no new neighbors defense appalling, he clearly doesn't understand where his morning and evening sun come from. Hint: unless he lives directly north of this building... in a street... his sun won't be obstructed. Maybe he lives in the commercial building to the west? Lol

 

Edited January 6, 20223 yr by DTCL11

21 minutes ago, DTCL11 said:

And like clockwork....

 

From NextDoor.... which is naturally the place to coordinate opposition to development.

 

Edit: not only is the no new neighbors defense appalling, he clearly doesn't understand where his morning and evening sun come from. Hint: unless he lives directly north of this building... in a street... his sun won't be obstructed. Maybe he lives in the commercial building to the west? Lol

 

They are so. Fu¢king. Ridiculous.

I knew it wouldn’t be long before the Villains started gnashing their teeth over this. If they wanted to criticize the proposal for lacking creativity…go for it. But that rant is moronic NIMBYism at its finest, or worst, whichever one. Makes me want to show up at the meeting just to lend a voice of support for the project. 

1 hour ago, amped91 said:

I knew it wouldn’t be long before the Villains started gnashing their teeth over this. If they wanted to criticize the proposal for lacking creativity…go for it. But that rant is moronic NIMBYism at its finest, or worst, whichever one. Makes me want to show up at the meeting just to lend a voice of support for the project. 

But they might have to walk in the shade while using the sidewalk! Think of their even tans!

I wish there were twin towers in Schumacher Place...

Another Gem...  like... she almost got to a decent point with complaining about airbnbs displacing full time residents... know what might help reduce the demand for airbnbs? A hotel on Livingston. Know what adds residents who are displaced by airbnbs... apartments...