March 6, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, jonoh81 said: I've heard rumors and such here and there, but there doesn't seem to be any significant push for it with city leadership. What a mistake Ginther has been. You can bet Coleman would be pushing these people. Our city is becoming unnecessarily unaffordable.
March 7, 20205 yr At least GV hasn't created a formal non-profit organization to raise fund for legal battles to fight development like a community in Sandy Springs (Atlanta) did.... yet... that's a comfort, right? Lol Edited March 7, 20205 yr by DTCL11
March 27, 20205 yr On 3/5/2020 at 2:17 PM, Zyrokai said: I think you answered your own question. Their own property values go up. I was viewing a new rental unit in Victorian Village recently. It was $1000/mo for a studio and was in pretty poor condition. I mentioned that I was looking at some units in some of the newer apartment complexes going up that were at a similar price point. The lady showing the house said that she was interested to see what the increase in those complexes, being newer and having access to amenities, would do to the market for some of these older units in areas like Victorian Village. I would imagine that a good chunk of people fighting these projects are landlords that have made a killing renting out these units without ever having to fix them up. Now people, myself included, are expecting higher quality because I can just move into a brand new 1 br in Gravity for a similar price.
March 27, 20205 yr 3 hours ago, TH3BUDDHA said: I was viewing a new rental unit in Victorian Village recently. It was $1000/mo for a studio and was in pretty poor condition. I mentioned that I was looking at some units in some of the newer apartment complexes going up that were at a similar price point. The lady showing the house said that she was interested to see what the increase in those complexes, being newer and having access to amenities, would do to the market for some of these older units in areas like Victorian Village. I would imagine that a good chunk of people fighting these projects are landlords that have made a killing renting out these units without ever having to fix them up. Now people, myself included, are expecting higher quality because I can just move into a brand new 1 br in Gravity for a similar price. This is what has been going on in the University District the past several years -- with all of the new student-centric units, including the 2nd-year living requirement, it put pressure on the off-campus landlords to actually fix up their s**thole complexes to compete. It's a good thing in terms of living conditions, though there is an inherent inflation in prices that goes along with all of those improvements. The progress seems necessary, though, so the neighborhoods don't stagnate.
June 20, 20204 yr https://www.thisweeknews.com/news/20200615/columbus-council-waives-rules-sells-german-village-crafts-center-for-under-appraised-value The City of Columbus has sold an historic Civil War-era schoolhouse in the heart of German Village to the Roman Catholic Diocese of Columbus. The 9,500-square-foot former schoolhouse at 630 S. 3rd Street currently houses the Golden Hobby Shop, a senior citizens’ craft center operated by the city's Department of Recreation and Parks. The former schoolhouse will be used by St. Mary School German Village, a private school located a few doors to the south. The city has agreed to sell the brick structure and a little more than a half-acre of land for $1.225 million. "The sale will move forward with a deed restriction on the property for educational use only in perpetuity,” Parks and Recreation Department spokeswoman Sophia Fifner said in an email. “Programming at the Golden Hobby Shop is temporarily paused due to COVID, and will resume at an alternate location as soon as the department receives guidance from Columbus Public Health,” Fifner added. The transfer is set to close July 1, with the sale proceeds used toward a temporary site for the Golden Hobby Shop, and ultimately the design and construction of a new, permanent Senior Creative Campus at a location to be determined.
July 16, 20204 yr I know it’s been awhile, but has there been any updates on the hotel proposal and appeal process? Edited July 16, 20204 yr by 614love
July 16, 20204 yr 9 hours ago, 614love said: I know it’s been awhile, but has there been any updates on the hotel proposal and appeal process? I haven’t heard or seen anything in a few months. Hopefully it still goes forward.
August 5, 20204 yr On 3/5/2020 at 11:59 PM, Columbo said: Here's how Pizzuti Cos. might transform the Giant Eagle near German Village The owner of the Whittier Street Giant Eagle is thinking about density as it eyes redevelopment of the site. In the first community meeting on the future of the Giant Eagle at 280 E. Whittier St., the developer - Pizzuti Cos. - told attendees there are no hard plans in place for what to do with the 30,000-square-foot store, but it is working on the early stages of a redevelopment plan. The first idea tossed out was for a mixed-use development in the four-story range, which the developer said could host as many as 325 housing units.... MORE: https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2020/03/04/heres-how-pizzuti-cos-might-transform-the-giant.html https://www.thisweeknews.com/news/20200304/concepts-presented-for-whittier-street-giant-eagle-near-german-village Pizutti Filed for the old Giant Eagle.. lets say the German Village social media pages are not happy about it. But they have no say which is really a thing of beauty. I cannot wait to see the show this is going to be. Watch GVC and/or residents threaten lawsuits to try to get their way on a property outside their jurisdiction. 8,000sqft retail, 330 residences, almost 300 car parking deck. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yDcVJheo7w8bAAqgPV4WCwoWPaBw89A-/view
August 5, 20204 yr Do we have any idea how tall this will be? I didn't see anything in the PDF. I'm guessing it will be 4-5 floors.
August 5, 20204 yr 47 minutes ago, cbussoccer said: Do we have any idea how tall this will be? I didn't see anything in the PDF. I'm guessing it will be 4-5 floors. 4-5 stories with the 5th story set back. Here's a description of the overall development from the plans in the PDF: "THE DEVELOPMENT INCLUDES DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING ONE-STORY COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE (ROUGHLY 30,000 SF) AND ASSOCIATED PARKING LOT. THIS WILL BE REPLACED WITH A MIXED-USE APARTMENT AND RETAIL BUILDING, INCLUDING AN INTEGRATED TWO (2) LEVEL PARKING GARAGE - ONE (1) LEVEL AT GRADE, ONE (1) LEVEL SUBGRADE - WITH APPROXIMATELY 236 PARKING SPACES. THE GROUND FLOOR WILL INCLUDE A COMBINATION OF RETAIL SPACE, AMENITY SPACE, LEASING-RELATED FACILITIES, AND RESIDENTIAL UNITS. THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS ARE A COMBINATION OF STUDIOS, ONE BEDROOMS, TWO BEDROOMS, AND WALK-UP UNITS, TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 330 UNITS. THE PROPOSED PROJECT WILL BE A COMBINATION OF FOUR (4) AND FIVE (5) STORIES ABOVE GRADE (APPROXIMATELY 50% EACH), WITH THE TOP LEVEL SET BACK FROM THE STREET FAÇADE AND OCCUPYING ROUGHLY HALF THE FOOTPRINT OF THE LEVEL BELOW. THE PROPOSED PROJECT WILL INCLUDE INTERIOR PRIVATE GREEN SPACES AT GRADE (APPROXIMATELY 8,100 SF) AND ON TOP OF THE PARKING GARAGE (APPROXIMATELY 8,600 SF). INCLUDED IN THE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE A NEW UNDERGROUND STORMWATER DETENTION SYSTEM, NEW SANITARY SERVICE, AND NEW STREETSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS ALONG WHITTIER, JAEGER, KOSSUTH AND GRANT AVE."
August 5, 20204 yr 1 minute ago, .justin said: 4-5 stories with the 5th story set back. Here's a description of the overall development from the plans in the PDF: "THE DEVELOPMENT INCLUDES DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING ONE-STORY COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE (ROUGHLY 30,000 SF) AND ASSOCIATED PARKING LOT. THIS WILL BE REPLACED WITH A MIXED-USE APARTMENT AND RETAIL BUILDING, INCLUDING AN INTEGRATED TWO (2) LEVEL PARKING GARAGE - ONE (1) LEVEL AT GRADE, ONE (1) LEVEL SUBGRADE - WITH APPROXIMATELY 236 PARKING SPACES. THE GROUND FLOOR WILL INCLUDE A COMBINATION OF RETAIL SPACE, AMENITY SPACE, LEASING-RELATED FACILITIES, AND RESIDENTIAL UNITS. THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS ARE A COMBINATION OF STUDIOS, ONE BEDROOMS, TWO BEDROOMS, AND WALK-UP UNITS, TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 330 UNITS. THE PROPOSED PROJECT WILL BE A COMBINATION OF FOUR (4) AND FIVE (5) STORIES ABOVE GRADE (APPROXIMATELY 50% EACH), WITH THE TOP LEVEL SET BACK FROM THE STREET FAÇADE AND OCCUPYING ROUGHLY HALF THE FOOTPRINT OF THE LEVEL BELOW. THE PROPOSED PROJECT WILL INCLUDE INTERIOR PRIVATE GREEN SPACES AT GRADE (APPROXIMATELY 8,100 SF) AND ON TOP OF THE PARKING GARAGE (APPROXIMATELY 8,600 SF). INCLUDED IN THE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE A NEW UNDERGROUND STORMWATER DETENTION SYSTEM, NEW SANITARY SERVICE, AND NEW STREETSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS ALONG WHITTIER, JAEGER, KOSSUTH AND GRANT AVE." Not sure how I missed that, but I managed to guess correctly! Thanks.
August 5, 20204 yr On 3/2/2020 at 8:17 PM, DTCL11 said: This could get fun. And those aerials really put the massive size of the property in context. I've never realized how large it is all the times I've been down there. So much potential for a thoughtful development, with a touch of spite if the right people get involved. A rooftop bar 12 stories up overlooking GV and Schiller Park sounds like a wonderful start. Make sure it includes a hotel with glass and steel ? (not that I think that's what should actually go there but.... ) Edit: I had some more free time this evening to dig a bit deeper. Not only does GE sit just outside GVC territory.... it seems to go around the GE... this is the map of the commission territory from Columbus.gov Just bumping this up in case anyone missed it but this sits in that convenient bubble out of reach of the GVC.
August 5, 20204 yr 4 hours ago, DTCL11 said: the German Village social media pages are not happy about it Is there a specific facebook group or something? I'd love to read those comments
August 6, 20204 yr 6 hours ago, DTCL11 said: Pizutti Filed for the old Giant Eagle.. lets say the German Village social media pages are not happy about it. But they have no say which is really a thing of beauty. I cannot wait to see the show this is going to be. Watch GVC and/or residents threaten lawsuits to try to get their way on a property outside their jurisdiction. 8,000sqft retail, 330 residences, almost 300 car parking deck. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yDcVJheo7w8bAAqgPV4WCwoWPaBw89A-/view Seriously, this is fantastic news. I only wish it was taller! Love the fact that the parcel of land literally sits across the road from the realm of the GVC. Hopefully the renderings come out soon. Edited August 6, 20204 yr by CMHOhio Add comments
August 6, 20204 yr 5 hours ago, TH3BUDDHA said: Is there a specific facebook group or something? I'd love to read those comments I don't have direct access being a northsider. I'm getting the feedback from a German Village resident who is part of the groups telling me people are not happy. I can only imagine what they are though. 'Height. Sunlight. Fabric of our community. Traffic. Parking. History. Bricks. Glass. Steel. Sewers. Running water. Property values. Trees. Young people. Riff raff. Air pollution maybe. Food desert. Where will the GE RATS LIVE?! Probably ghosts. Fears over people who dont pick up dog poop.' Or any number of ridiculous things.
August 6, 20204 yr Looks like the biz journal caught wind of the plan for redevelopment. The article basically summarizes the overall development plan already posted. No renderings. Giant Eagle to close in Schumacher Place, major redevelopment moving ahead By Tristan Navera – Staff reporter, Columbus Business First The developer has been formulating a redevelopment plan there since it bought the building and its 2.5-acre site for $5.35 million in October 2017. https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2020/08/06/giant-eagle-to-close-in-schumacher-place-redevelo.html
August 6, 20204 yr I'm not in any private groups, but you can see the public posts (on Facebook, at least) back in March when some of this news first broke - "save Giant Eagle." Most complaints centered around how they'd accommodate parking if it was residential, and that if height was increased it wasn't something that "fit the fabric" of German Village / Schumacher Place lol. Very Stable Genius
August 6, 20204 yr LOL! I love it. five floors, 330 residential units! Tough luck German Villains, you don't have any say in it!!!! Considering how they responded to the lower hotel proposal on Livingston, they must be ready to stroke out. Edited August 6, 20204 yr by Toddguy
August 6, 20204 yr Some reactions so far - names/pics redacted since it's technically not a public forum I think? Anyway, I live like two blocks from the Giant Eagle. Put whatever in there, I don't care. It's mostly a wasted surface lot. I'm seeing a lot of Trader Joes wishes for the retail portion. Edited August 6, 20204 yr by DarkandStormy Very Stable Genius
August 6, 20204 yr 19 minutes ago, DarkandStormy said: Some reactions so far - names/pics redacted since it's technically not a public forum I think? Anyway, I live like two blocks from the Giant Eagle. Put whatever in there, I don't care. It's mostly a wasted surface lot. I'm seeing a lot of Trader Joes wishes for the retail portion. That would actually be good for the retail portion. Would 8,000 square feet be enough? Also I love the responses lol.
August 6, 20204 yr I wonder if they get GVC, Schumacher Place and Merion Village to all oppose if that will have any legitimate influence.
August 6, 20204 yr 3 minutes ago, DTCL11 said: I wonder if they get GVC, Schumacher Place and Merion Village to all oppose if that will have any legitimate influence. They should have proposed something that was at least twice as tall and dense so when they "cave" to the commissions and try to "meet them halfway" they end up getting what they wanted in the first place. Have the developers not learned this yet?
August 6, 20204 yr 2 hours ago, Toddguy said: That would actually be good for the retail portion. Would 8,000 square feet be enough? Also I love the responses lol. Without knowing what is needed of the space, 8k sq ft is pretty typical of smaller TJs. Very Stable Genius
August 7, 20204 yr These are getting too good not to share again. If you actually live across from the Giant Eagle, you heard fireworks nonstop in the month of June. What "quiet?" lol Very Stable Genius
August 7, 20204 yr 23 hours ago, DarkandStormy said: I'm seeing a lot of Trader Joe's wishes for the retail portion. LOL -- Trader Joe's -- aka The Quest for the Holy Grail(!) Now, I'm not saying that Pizzuti should go and say that Trader Joe's is interested in their project there. But if they did, do ya think Ye Olde GV Neighbor would go from "This project is horrible, Pizzuti is a MONSTER!" to "Wait? Trader Joe's is part of the project? This project is awesome, Pizzuti is a HERO!"
August 7, 20204 yr 55 minutes ago, Columbo said: LOL -- Trader Joe's -- aka The Quest for the Holy Grail(!) Now, I'm not saying that Pizzuti should go and say that Trader Joe's is interested in their project there. But if they did, do ya think Ye Olde GV Neighbor would go from "This project is horrible, Pizzuti is a MONSTER!" to "Wait? Trader Joe's is part of the project? This project is awesome, Pizzuti is a HERO!" Serious solution, if they put one here the city should fight to put an Aldi on Parsons(this also fits their corporate model). I love both places equally, actually prefer Aldi over most places. Closest one is on High near 270, it would crush it on Parsons and end a food desert.
August 7, 20204 yr YOU CANT BUILD IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC!!! THATS TOO MUCH!!! With 8000 Sf. Perhaps they can get a DGX! Do they not realize they were likely to lose the Giant Eagle at some point? I would not be surprised to see GE put a marketplace on the south side in the future which would have eliminated theirs anyway much like the VV one.
August 7, 20204 yr Yeah an Aldi or DGX would be much more realistic since the South Side is right next door. TJ's won't like how close the South Side is.
August 7, 20204 yr YOU CANT BUILD IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC!!! THATS TOO MUCH!!! With 8000 Sf. Perhaps they can get a DGX! Do they not realize they were likely to lose the Giant Eagle at some point? I would not be surprised to see GE put a marketplace on the south side in the future which would have eliminated theirs anyway much like the VV one. Edit. Can we also talk about the 'property values' argument? Has any of that hysteria come to fruition in the Short North that GV residents should legitimately be afraid if density in one of the highest demanded neighborhoods? Edited August 7, 20204 yr by DTCL11
August 7, 20204 yr You can't win the property value argument. If property values go up property taxes go up. If property value goes down then people have "lost wealth" even though they haven't sold yet.
August 7, 20204 yr It really would be nice if they get a grocery store of some type. An Aldi or maybe a Giant Eagle Express-the one in Pittsburgh is only 15,000 square feet. Maybe they could expand the retail size to get a small grocery tenant? I think that would actually go along way in quieting the German Villains. This 5 story building could turn out to be a centerpiece of that neighborhood if the design and materials are very good-which I would expect they would be considering it is Pizzuti and they are building right next to German Village. They could build something really extraordinary here. Will just have to wait for the renderings...*fingers crossed*. *As much as I like to poke at the German Villains, Victorian Villains, and ClintonVillains, I do want them to get good quality projects. Edited August 7, 20204 yr by Toddguy
August 7, 20204 yr 3 hours ago, Toddguy said: It really would be nice if they get a grocery store of some type. An Aldi or maybe a Giant Eagle Express-the one in Pittsburgh is only 15,000 square feet. Maybe they could expand the retail size to get a small grocery tenant? I think that would actually go along way in quieting the German Villains. This 5 story building could turn out to be a centerpiece of that neighborhood if the design and materials are very good-which I would expect they would be considering it is Pizzuti and they are building right next to German Village. They could build something really extraordinary here. Will just have to wait for the renderings...*fingers crossed*. *As much as I like to poke at the German Villains, Victorian Villains, and ClintonVillains, I do want them to get good quality projects. Yeah, no one wants another Nicholas anywhere, that's a given, but I think they would oppose this regardless of design the the proposed height and density... and maybe even if it was 1-2 stories.
August 7, 20204 yr I'm also curious what this realtor has discovered in 8 similar properties. Best I can figure is they are all at the edge? Going back to the hotel discussion and how those shouldn't count as destroying the fabric of the community if it was already a poor mid to late century commercial land use anyway....
August 8, 20204 yr 1 hour ago, jonoh81 said: Yeah, no one wants another Nicholas anywhere, that's a given, but I think they would oppose this regardless of design the the proposed height and density... and maybe even if it was 1-2 stories. Well of course they will oppose anything that is not a grocery store surrounded by single family homes built of vintage bricks imported from Bavaria itself. It is the nature of the German Villain beast at this point.
August 17, 20204 yr In German Village, a fight between the past and the future Edited August 17, 20204 yr by 614love
August 17, 20204 yr ^From the McGown's facebook page: Quote We appreciate the coverage of The McGown Hotel project in German Village by Columbus Business First. I hope to be before the German Village Commission again soon. We're anxious to restore two historic properties and deliver a boutique hotel, two restaurants and plenty of subgrade parking spots to this fantastic community. Don't let AirBnb continue to gut this community, back the boutique!
August 17, 20204 yr 27 minutes ago, Pablo said: ^From the McGown's facebook page: Did the original plan only have them restoring one building? I don’t remember seeing two
August 18, 20204 yr 7 hours ago, 614love said: In German Village, a fight between the past and the future I don't have a subscription. What's the gist of the article? Hopefully, they will continue trying until they get this great project built.
August 18, 20204 yr https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2020/08/17/limbo-in-german-village-a-fight-between-the-past.html 28 minutes ago, jeremyck01 said: I don't have a subscription. What's the gist of the article? Hopefully, they will continue trying until they get this great project built. "Continuing to try until they get a great project built" is pretty much the gist of the article. Here's a few snippets from it: Quote Michael Casey likes a challenge. The Pittsburgh native has spent 11 years in Central Ohio, working business development both in the affluent northern outerbelt and some of the city's historic neighborhoods. Today he faces what could be one of the most difficult challenges of his career: making a big, modern development in German Village a reality. "It's our intent to build something architecturally relevant that speaks to the time," Casey said. Casey argues the proposed 127-room McGown Hotel at 33 E. Livingston Avenue would fulfill a neighborhood desire for a hotel while helping discourage short-term rental properties in the neighborhood. But he's faced stiffed resistance from the neighborhood's current residents, even as the project has evolved from five stories to six and back, and as its room count and architecture have changed drastically. Quote Virtually any building construction in the 233-acre German Village neighborhood requires a certificate of appropriateness from the seven-member German Village Commission, established “to preserve, protect and enhance the unique architectural and historical features of the German Village Historic District.” ... That's been the source for some of the pushback (about this project): If the commission takes homeowners to task for otherwise-minor details, shouldn't it apply the same standard to a five-story building? "They are 110% justified," Casey said. "If you feel like there are two standards, there are absolutely two standards. Guidelines for existing structures and guidelines for new construction at non-contributing sites. We're preserving the historic part of the site and turning the non-contributing into something better." "Still, you leave those meetings, and sometimes you almost want to cry," he said. But despite that last quote from Casey, it sounds like he does want to see this project through. Quote "I do believe over the course of the process, the project has gotten better and better," Casey said. "I want to acknowledge that being pushed and challenged makes people do their best work." "I'll be back, I just don't know when I will," he said.
August 18, 20204 yr On 1/12/2020 at 3:47 PM, Columbo said: (Cross-posted from the Columbus Public Schools thread) Here's something to get everyone's minds off the German Village hotel controversy: https://www.dispatch.com/news/20200107/5-vacant-columbus-school-buildings-to-be-sold Beck Elementary School at 387 E. Beck Street is the most valuable of the group, appraised at $1.67 million in January 2019 by the Franklin County auditor’s office. The 136-year-old building in the Schumacher Place neighborhood, near German Village, closed in 2017. Since its closure, Columbus Landmarks has touted its importance by placing it on its “most endangered sites” list in 2018 and 2019. Here's a view of Beck Elementary School from the corner of Beck and Lathrop - showing the intact historic form of the structure: Here's a view from Beck and Briggs - showing a modern wing added to the historic structure: Here's an aerial of the property block showing the historic structure and the modern additions: The Columbus Board of Education voted in January to sell five Columbus City Schools properties. The 136-year-old Beck Elementary School at 387 E. Beck Street in Schumacher Place was one of those properties. It appears that the Beck School didn't make it though the "offering it to a charter school" stage, that is required by state law, before then offering it to the local municipality, and before it would then get to a public auction. According to this recent CU article - https://www.columbusunderground.com/city-to-buy-douglas-elementary-starling-middle-to-be-auctioned-bw1 - the Beck School is now home to the South Columbus Preparatory Academy charter school.
August 18, 20204 yr ^That is unfortunate, but at least the building is being used and not demolished.
August 24, 20204 yr Development is booming across Central Ohio, but some projects have proven difficult to pull off against pushback from skeptical neighborhood commissions and residents.
September 1, 20204 yr My understanding is there is some sort of meeting tonight. To the comments! The comments redacted in red is the same person. Very Stable Genius
September 1, 20204 yr There's something supremely ironic about claiming to have moved to GV from the suburbs to escape dependency on cars, but then demand as much parking and auto-specific infrastructure as possible.
September 2, 20204 yr Looks like video of the meeting is here: https://www.facebook.com/SchumacherPlace/posts/10157434735112409
September 2, 20204 yr Pizzuti lays out plan for Schumacher Place Giant Eagle redevelopment Pizzuti Cos. is refining plans for a big development in Schumacher Place, but many residents remain against it. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2020/09/02/pizzuti-shares-shumacher-place-giant-eagle-plan.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
September 2, 20204 yr Quote "It looks like an office building, it looks like it belongs in the Arena District," said Rosalie Goodsell, a realtor and Schumacher Place resident. "To have a massive monolithic building dwarfing our neighborhood, ... it certainly is not compatible." Somebody that directly benefits from limited apartment units in the market and home prices staying high in this area fighting against more apartment units? Hmmmm. ? Edited September 2, 20204 yr by TH3BUDDHA
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