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On 11/3/2019 at 3:22 PM, MyTwoSense said:

They've been saying this since the OLD severance.  They could have built out an entire neighborhood in the confines of the space it self.  more residential for sale housing should have been built over the last 40 years.

 

It should definitely be a mixed use area. I think along Mayfield they could do the first floor retail, upper floor office and apartments and deeper in the property do more for sale condo, cluster and even single family homes at the very back. The city really needs more industry though to be honest. The lack of which is part of the reason it and Shaker have high taxes. CH just doesn't seem like an "industrial" city however.

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28 minutes ago, Mov2Ohio said:

 

It should definitely be a mixed use area. I think along Mayfield they could do the first floor retail, upper floor office and apartments and deeper in the property do more for sale condo, cluster and even single family homes at the very back. The city really needs more industry though to be honest. The lack of which is part of the reason it and Shaker have high taxes. CH just doesn't seem like an "industrial" city however.

The last thing the Heights needs is more retail.

What’s going on in the cedar Fairmount area? The entire lot behind the Sunoco on cedar has been dug up and they were actively working on it this morning.  It’s between bellfield and grand view south of Cedar. 

^ https://www.cleveland.com/community/2019/06/cleveland-heights-turns-over-small-city-parking-lot-for-expansion-to-aid-top-of-hill-construction-schedule.html

 

^^ Generally I agree with @Htsguy, but I am OK with adding retail at Cedar/Fairmount and the Lee/Meadowbrook lots as it is filling in gaps in strong existing districts.  Severance should be redeveloped, but we don't need to create a new retail district.  If not all residential, the challenge with bringing non-retail commercial to the site is on the one hand the one thing I like about C.H. but bad for business attraction - our lack of highway access.  

 

Some other thoughts I have on C.H.  The former Coventry school was sold to the library for $1 who now lease it out to non-profits and other users.  I'm all for having a non-profit center in the city, but frankly that shouldn't be the location.  We are essentially subsidizing the non-profits by getting no taxes on that property.  It's valuable land in that location.  I'm all for subsidizing non-profits, just not there.  The city owns 1 of the tudor buildings on S Taylor N of Cain Park and will acquire the other 2 due to back taxes (I think).  These building have functionally obsolete retail.  This retail should be repurposed as a non-profit center for the city.

 

 

36 minutes ago, BelievelandD1 said:

What’s going on in the cedar Fairmount area? The entire lot behind the Sunoco on cedar has been dug up and they were actively working on it this morning.  It’s between bellfield and grand view south of Cedar. 

New parking lot.  Several new restaurants/bars in the area have created issues with parking.  At one point Dave's had a security guard monitoring and towing cars that started to overflow into its lot.

13 hours ago, Htsguy said:

The last thing the Heights needs is more retail.

Not saying any sort of mall/lifestyle center or anything, but I do think a line of buildings 4-6 stories high that are office above, or even all office, with some retail in between just along the Mayfield frontage would work. All the other acreage should be some sort of residential. That's assuming the whole area was a blank slate and there weren't already the apartments, hospital, condo building, post office and other office buildings in the back. Not to mention city hall.

13 hours ago, Htsguy said:

The last thing the Heights needs is more retail.

 

Mostly agree, in that CLE Hts can't keep businesses open in its existing retail districts let alone support a new one. But there's still a decent amount of retail in Severance right now. I don't think there's anything wrong with a Severance redevelopment that keeps a retail aspect and mostly adds residential. Trying to revitalize it into Beachwood Place is an unrealistic, bad idea. But if you just infill a bunch of single-family homes and duplexes (i.e. @Terdolph's suggestion), you're basically creating a subdivision that is pretty isolated from amenities. I think keeping at least 10,000-20,000 sq. feet of retail is basically necessary to create a modern, quasi-walkable neighborhood.

15 hours ago, Mov2Ohio said:

 

It should definitely be a mixed use area. I think along Mayfield they could do the first floor retail, upper floor office and apartments and deeper in the property do more for sale condo, cluster and even single family homes at the very back. The city really needs more industry though to be honest. The lack of which is part of the reason it and Shaker have high taxes. CH just doesn't seem like an "industrial" city however.

 

Definitely agree -- no company that needs to bring in a lot of trucks is going to want to be in the Heights, but I think there is room for a small amount of light industrial, and certainly there is a need for more office space, and there probably could be some demand for medical research-type commercial buildings.   Opening of the Opportunity Corridor could help with access.

Don't forget Baker Square. They need to bring that back post haste.

12 hours ago, BelievelandD1 said:

What’s going on in the cedar Fairmount area? The entire lot behind the Sunoco on cedar has been dug up and they were actively working on it this morning.  It’s between bellfield and grand view south of Cedar. 

 

12 hours ago, cdogz said:

New parking lot.  Several new restaurants/bars in the area have created issues with parking.  At one point Dave's had a security guard monitoring and towing cars that started to overflow into its lot.

https://clevelandheights.com/DocumentCenter/View/4712/PC-Plans-19-05

(PDF file)

49 minutes ago, TBideon said:

Don't forget Baker Square. They need to bring that back post haste.

The Pies!!!

13 hours ago, LlamaLawyer said:

 

Mostly agree, in that CLE Hts can't keep businesses open in its existing retail districts let alone support a new one. But there's still a decent amount of retail in Severance right now. I don't think there's anything wrong with a Severance redevelopment that keeps a retail aspect and mostly adds residential. Trying to revitalize it into Beachwood Place is an unrealistic, bad idea. But if you just infill a bunch of single-family homes and duplexes (i.e. @Terdolph's suggestion), you're basically creating a subdivision that is pretty isolated from amenities. I think keeping at least 10,000-20,000 sq. feet of retail is basically necessary to create a modern, quasi-walkable neighborhood.

CH can't keep businesses??? ??‍♂️??‍♂️??‍♂️

15 minutes ago, MyTwoSense said:

CH can't keep businesses??? ??‍♂️??‍♂️??‍♂️

Have you seen Coventry recently? Or Lee Rd in between Cedar and BottleHouse? I’m not saying the health of CLE Hts retail is awful; it’s not. It’s fine. It’s not great though.

1 minute ago, LlamaLawyer said:

Have you seen Coventry recently? Or Lee Rd in between Cedar and BottleHouse? I’m not saying the health of CLE Hts retail is awful; it’s not. It’s fine. It’s not great though.

 

That is very different than writing

 

13 hours ago, LlamaLawyer said:

Mostly agree, in that CLE Hts can't keep businesses open in its existing retail districts let alone support a new one. 

 

Coventry changes every damn month, it feels.  I'm old enough to remember going to first run movies at the Coventy theater and hanging out at Arabica.   Coventry to me, will never be as cool as it was in the late 70s / early 80s.  Unique neighborhood retail is cyclical.    The same goes with Cedar/Lee.  I remember when that was a fast food heaven.  McDonald's, Arthur Treachers, Pizza Hut, not to mention local stuff like Hot Sauce Williams.  The kids at Heights kept those businesses pumping when Hts had an open campus.   Times and taste change/evolve.

I stopped in at Fifth Third Bank on Cedar near Nighttown the other day and learned that they are closing that branch at the end of January and putting the property up for sale. 

 

Should be prime real estate with Top of the Hill on the horizon.  Will be interesting to see what develops.

Cedar Lee has been pretty stable of late with some notable openings (Boss Dog, Kensington Pub, Voodoo brewing).  The strip north of cedar has been generally less successful for years with lots of places moving in and out.

 

Coventry is in a bit of a down cycle at the moment but that does seem to happen periodically.  I think the development of UC has had the effect of drawing students from the Coventry area but there are lots of mainstays that seem to be doing well.

 

Cedar Fairmont, on the other hand, has really taken off as Barrio and Luna have really helped, along with Dave's stabilizing the grocery store and Parnell's moving over from Cedar Lee.  (BW3 hasn't hurt either).  Doug Katz's new place along with Top of the Hill will add even more life.

Does anybody have an information regarding the current status of the Snavely Cedar Lee project?  When it was first awarded and the concept spelled out it seemed to have a pretty aggressive  (perhaps unrealistic) timeline.  Since then things have been noticeably quiet (although I know much of the current focus is directed toward Top of the Hill with its first quarter 2020 ground breaking)

On 11/8/2019 at 12:19 PM, Htsguy said:

Does anybody have an information regarding the current status of the Snavely Cedar Lee project?  When it was first awarded and the concept spelled out it seemed to have a pretty aggressive  (perhaps unrealistic) timeline.  Since then things have been noticeably quiet (although I know much of the current focus is directed toward Top of the Hill with its first quarter 2020 ground breaking)

 

Last I heard they were still negotiating the terms with the city.  Then I suspect financing.  THEN preliminary plans -- we're probably looking at six months (at least) before there is any further news.  (City is calling this project Cedar-Lee-Meadowbrook)

https://www.clevelandheights.com/1154/Cedar-Lee-Meadowbrook

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  • 2 weeks later...

Cleveland Heights council holds off on redevelopment proposal for Severance Town Center

 

CLEVELAND HEIGHTS, Ohio -- Pending the arrival of two new members in January, City Council on Monday opted to hold off on approval of a multi-phase proposal for potential redevelopment of the Severance Town Center.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/community/2019/11/cleveland-heights-council-holds-off-on-redevelopment-proposal-for-severance-town-center.html

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

1 hour ago, KJP said:

Cleveland Heights council holds off on redevelopment proposal for Severance Town Center

 

CLEVELAND HEIGHTS, Ohio -- Pending the arrival of two new members in January, City Council on Monday opted to hold off on approval of a multi-phase proposal for potential redevelopment of the Severance Town Center.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/community/2019/11/cleveland-heights-council-holds-off-on-redevelopment-proposal-for-severance-town-center.html

 

To the extent any zoning changes are needed to facilitate future development, there is some value in doing some planning and making those changes in advance so that the city gets the kind of redevelopment that they want.

 

But overall I think all of this talk of redevelopment is premature and is going to give the residents unrealistic expectations.  A lot of people want to see the area revitalized, so the city is "doing something," but the property owner has shown no signs of wanting to redevelop even in the face of high vacancies, so there's not going to be much visible change on the ground until the property owner changes.

 

 

  • 3 weeks later...

Cleveland Heights council updates Top of the Hill agreements, including TIF bonds

 

CLEVELAND HEIGHTS, Ohio -- City Council on Monday (Dec. 2) approved several “housekeeping” measures for the Top of the Hill project in order to adjust the proposed groundbreaking date to February 2020.

 

But there is one house that will not be kept at all -- the one at 2354 Euclid Heights Blvd. just off of Edwards Road. What is known simply as “the green house” property has officially been added to the 4-acre site of city-owned land for the proposed $84 million development at the western gateway to the city.

 

MORE 

https://www.cleveland.com/community/2019/12/cleveland-heights-council-updates-top-of-the-hill-agreements-including-tif-bonds.html

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

Let's get this show on the road! Thankfully this is past the point of Tudor-style squabbling, height issues, and parking concerns. If groundbreaking occurs in February, that will really get things moving.

Excited for this project. It’s already a great area. This’ll make it feel more complete.

quotes are due a week from Monday! Cleveland Construction is the GC on this one.

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I haven't seen this posted. Student apartments proposed by Integrity (Overlook Partners LLC) for 2345 Euclid Heights Blvd. Right across from TOH. Technically listed as boarding houses  because each bedroom will be rented independently. The property sold in April for $2.25 million. Apparently the variances are on the planning committee agenda for 2/20/2020

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33 minutes ago, tspete said:

I haven't seen this posted. Student apartments proposed by Integrity (Overlook Partners LLC) for 2345 Euclid Heights Blvd. Right across from TOH. Technically listed as boarding houses  because each bedroom will be rented independently. The property sold in April for $2.25 million. Apparently the variances are on the planning committee agenda for 2/20/2020

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Since this is in Cleveland Heights I am sure it will get talked to death.  But looking over the plans maybe it should.

^I suppose I'd rather see the extra density packed into University Circle proper to add some much needed vitality there, but this doesn't seem like a bad way to fill up unused space in Cedar Fairmount. 

Dimit’s really phoning this one in.

Yikes.  Here's hoping this gets closely reviewed (which I'm sure it will).  Looks like a step up from public housing.  Actually, some public housing I've seen looks better than this.  From everything I hear, Dimit just churns out a lot of junk.  

14 hours ago, htsfan said:

Yikes.  Here's hoping this gets closely reviewed (which I'm sure it will).  Looks like a step up from public housing.  Actually, some public housing I've seen looks better than this.  From everything I hear, Dimit just churns out a lot of junk.  


Looks like public housing from the 80's.  Alternatively, that carriage house rendering looks like a pair of Parma or Fairview Park bungalows on stilts.

 

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FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 7, 2020

University Circle-area housing finds new Heights

 

Last week, this blog reported on a $72 million dormitory project by Case Western Reserve University (CWRU) to add 600 beds to the South Residential Village at Murray Hill and Adelbert roads. This week, a private developer joined the party with a 58-unit boarding house project just up the hill.

Integrity Realty Group LLC's plans for property it owns in Cleveland Heights, at 2345-2361 Euclid Heights Boulevard, were revealed when the 12-year-old Beachwood-based firm applied for a conditional use permit from the city. The permit is requested because the site plan proposes 93 parking space whereas 111 are required by building code.

The developer is also seeking five variances to allow several new buildings to be built in closer proximity to each other than the building code allows. Integrity Realty is scheduled to appear before Cleveland Heights' Board of Zoning Appeals at its next meeting on Feb. 18.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/02/university-circle-area-housing-finds.html

 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

Drove by that site earlier this week -- didn't realize that there was room for development there.  Hooray for density!

  • 2 weeks later...

Received this email yesterday from the owner of Nighttown regarding the Top of the Hill project.  HE GETS IT!!

"Dear Friend of Nighttown,

Brendan Ring here.  Owner of Nighttown.  I write to ask your help. 

The building that Nighttown resides in was built in 1920.  At the same time, there was an 11-story hospital and a 5-story apartment building, both directly to the west of Nighttown.  Both were torn down in 1969 and the land has been a parking lot ever since.  Over the decades, a wide variety of projects have been proposed for this 4-acre parcel, but only now has there finally been a viable development presented to the city. 

This proposed project, called Top of the Hill, in my opinion, is wonderful.  It will bring a mini-park to this end of the Cedar-Fairmount shopping district, hundreds of apartments, some more retail – and a 10-story building right at the intersection of Cedar Hill and Euclid Heights Boulevard, offering a stunning gateway to the Heights. 

This project will restore what was lost.  At the same time, it will also bring hundreds of new people to the neighborhood, providing much-needed tax dollars to the city – and new customers to Nighttown.

We need your help.  Please, today, right now, won’t you send an email to the Cleveland Heights City Council and ask them to vote YES on Top of the Hill this coming Tuesday night?  All you need to do is to send one email to [email protected] and all 7 members of council will receive your email. 

I thank you for your past support of Nighttown and I thank you in advance for taking a few moments right now to help support the Nighttown I know you love.

Sincerely,

Brendan Ring, Owner
[email protected]"

 

What a great message from a great establishment and a guy that clearly gets it.

Here is the City Council agenda for tonight's meeting....

 

https://www.clevelandheights.com/DocumentCenter/View/6316/cc_agenda_02182020?bidId=

 

Representatives of Flaherty & Collins, this project's longtime, national developer, say that they never encountered such anti-development sentiments until it attempted this project. Cleveland Heights should be embarrassed. It used to be a progressive community. Now it is getting stale and rusty. Without investment, more businesses and residents will leave the city for parts of Greater Cleveland or other metro areas that welcome investment and progress.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

26 minutes ago, KJP said:

Here is the City Council agenda for tonight's meeting....

 

https://www.clevelandheights.com/DocumentCenter/View/6316/cc_agenda_02182020?bidId=

 

Representatives of Flaherty & Collins, this project's longtime, national developer, say that they never encountered such anti-development sentiments until it attempted this project. Cleveland Heights should be embarrassed. It used to be a progressive community. Now it is getting stale and rusty. Without investment, more businesses and residents will leave the city for parts of Greater Cleveland or other metro areas that welcome investment and progress.

Where did they say this?  I have been watching City Council meetings on line and have attended a number of community meetings and design reviews and, while it is clear they are frustrated by this whole lengthy process, their reps are usually gracious and make kind comments about the citizens of Cleveland Heights and how involved they are in their community.  I am sure in their conference rooms back in Indy they are very vocal about the NIMBYS and the extra lengths the powers that be in the city go to address criticism and make this whole process "fair and open" (in my mind it has been somewhat of joke), but I have never heard FandC saying anything viciously negative in public.

 

 

No, they haven't said anything negative in public.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

Not sure of the official outcome from last night but Badger Daylighting soil excavation crew was on scene this morning so it seems to be a go

2 minutes ago, kevincle said:

Not sure of the official outcome from last night but Badger Daylighting soil excavation crew was on scene this morning so it seems to be a go

 

I haven't seen any news on any social media, let alone traditional media. I've reached out to CH friends but they're not aware of what happened last night either.

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"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

20 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

I haven't seen any news on any social media, let alone traditional media. I've reached out to CH friends but they're not aware of what happened last night either.

The meeting should be posted on you tube shortly.  The committee of the whole which happen just before the council meeting and vote is already posted.  As always it will be fun to listen to the NIMBYS (you know, fun like a root canal) during the public comment portion of the meeting which usually happens up front.

Around 10pm last night, Cleveland Heights City Council voted unanimously (7-0) to approve the financing package (TIF and city contribution, to be funded with non-tax revenue bonds).  After four years of planning and meetings and design changes -- Top of the Hill is finally underway.

 

I don't go to many city council meetings but I was impressed with the attendance (the fire marshal had to issue some warnings to the overflow crowd in the hall).  Speakers were probably 2-1 against approval of the project, almost exclusively because of the design -- not good enough for the gateway to Cleveland Heights, too tall, blocks the view from the Buckingham building, the developer wasn't good enough, etc.  There was a lot of strong emotions and anger in that group.  There were also proponents, few of whom were really excited about the design but many expressed concerns that after the developer bent over backwards for four years further delay might kill this deal and utterly discourage any other developers from doing business in Cleveland Heights for the foreseeable future. 

 

I thought the council's comments after the public comment period were well thought out.  New councilperson Melody Joy Hart in particular did a good job of explaining that the planning commission, the architectural review board, and City Council had already approved the design last year and the city couldn't now void those agreements without paying a substantial penalty, and that the only issue before council was whether to approve the financing.  The financing was well explained by the City Manager, Tanisha Briley, and Councilperson Hart subsequently explained the due diligence that went into it and why she thought the financing was sound and why she was voting in favor despite having been elected to bring "change" to the city government.

 

I was surprised at the unanimous vote though. Several members of council have not been enthusiastic supporters, to say the least, and the new council members were under a lot of pressure to try to change course.  Councilperson Hart also said that they would be doing a review of the process to improve it before the next development project.

15 minutes ago, Foraker said:

Around 10pm last night, Cleveland Heights City Council voted unanimously (7-0) to approve the financing package (TIF and city contribution, to be funded with non-tax revenue bonds).  After four years of planning and meetings and design changes -- Top of the Hill is finally underway.

 

I don't go to many city council meetings but I was impressed with the attendance (the fire marshal had to issue some warnings to the overflow crowd in the hall).  Speakers were probably 2-1 against approval of the project, almost exclusively because of the design -- not good enough for the gateway to Cleveland Heights, too tall, blocks the view from the Buckingham building, the developer wasn't good enough, etc.  There was a lot of strong emotions and anger in that group.  There were also proponents, few of whom were really excited about the design but many expressed concerns that after the developer bent over backwards for four years further delay might kill this deal and utterly discourage any other developers from doing business in Cleveland Heights for the foreseeable future. 

 

I thought the council's comments after the public comment period were well thought out.  New councilperson Melody Joy Hart in particular did a good job of explaining that the planning commission, the architectural review board, and City Council had already approved the design last year and the city couldn't now void those agreements without paying a substantial penalty, and that the only issue before council was whether to approve the financing.  The financing was well explained by the City Manager, Tanisha Briley, and Councilperson Hart subsequently explained the due diligence that went into it and why she thought the financing was sound and why she was voting in favor despite having been elected to bring "change" to the city government.

 

I was surprised at the unanimous vote though. Several members of council have not been enthusiastic supporters, to say the least, and the new council members were under a lot of pressure to try to change course.  Councilperson Hart also said that they would be doing a review of the process to improve it before the next development project.

Thanks for the very detailed report.  Great result.  Surprised it was 7-0.  I thought it would be 6-1 as Councilman Seren voted no in connection with some preliminary matters last year. 

 

Good to hear they will review the process.  I hope that means implementing measures to speed things up, but I am afraid what they really mean is the scheduling of more NIMBY whining sessions.

There you go....April groundbreaking. 

 

 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

  • 3 weeks later...
1 hour ago, Foraker said:

Looks like the school district and the city are going to try again to repurpose the old Millikin school site

https://www.cleveland.com/community/2020/03/cleveland-heights-school-district-team-up-on-development-of-old-millikin-campus.html

 

Does anyone have any pictures of the old Rockefeller/Severance Stables that are reportedly at the back of this site?

I saw some pictures today but i don't have access to them currently. The barns are in really good condition from  what was reported and could be adapted for reuse. They were designed by Charles Schweinfurth in 1910 IIRC. If you want to see them up close there is an access path off Crest road.

  • 2 weeks later...
On 2/7/2020 at 1:12 PM, KJP said:

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FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 7, 2020

University Circle-area housing finds new Heights

 

Last week, this blog reported on a $72 million dormitory project by Case Western Reserve University (CWRU) to add 600 beds to the South Residential Village at Murray Hill and Adelbert roads. This week, a private developer joined the party with a 58-unit boarding house project just up the hill.

Integrity Realty Group LLC's plans for property it owns in Cleveland Heights, at 2345-2361 Euclid Heights Boulevard, were revealed when the 12-year-old Beachwood-based firm applied for a conditional use permit from the city. The permit is requested because the site plan proposes 93 parking space whereas 111 are required by building code.

The developer is also seeking five variances to allow several new buildings to be built in closer proximity to each other than the building code allows. Integrity Realty is scheduled to appear before Cleveland Heights' Board of Zoning Appeals at its next meeting on Feb. 18.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/02/university-circle-area-housing-finds.html

 

And the PD catches up....

https://www.cleveland.com/community/2020/03/from-carriage-house-estate-to-boardinghouse-dorms-across-from-top-of-the-hill.html

 

  • 4 weeks later...

A few pics of WXZ's redevelopment of the former College Club building in Cleveland Heights. Sorry these are from mid-February, I forgot to post them. The project involves converting the historic building into apartments and building about a dozen townhomes adjacent. Fair warning if you google for more info, it looks like WXZ's website was hacked (or their domain registry expired) so careful where you go. 

 

https://www.freshwatercleveland.com/breaking-ground/CollegeClub021418.aspx

 

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