February 7Feb 7 Author Uptown parking woes shadow new Corryville apartment project By Chris Wetterich – Staff reporter and columnist, Cincinnati Business Courier Feb 7, 2025 The Cincinnati Planning Commission approved a major new student housing project in Corryville, but not before residents urged the city to reconsider and do more about the parking problem facing their dense neighborhood near the University of Cincinnati. Kingsley + Co. plans an $80 million, seven-story apartment building at 2608-2622 Euclid Ave. The 282,165-square-foot project will have 170 to 185 units ranging from studios to four-bedroom units, plus some four-bedroom townhomes. It will add between 460-500 bedrooms to the area. The building will sit on a 2.5-story garage podium. Commissioners unanimously approved changing the zoning from residential mixed use and office general to a planned development, as well as OK'ing the concept plan. MORE
February 7Feb 7 How bad is this parking problem? I just wonder if it is a serious issue or if it's that people are unwilling to walk.
February 8Feb 8 What are the demographics between short vine and reading, traditionally? In the days I knew all kinds of people around UC (1990s), I never knew anyone who lived in that area.
February 8Feb 8 7 hours ago, The_Cincinnati_Kid said: seven-story apartment building at 2608-2622 Euclid Ave. Interestingly, the large old multifamily at the almost-corner + the vacant lot at the corner are being spared. 2626 is owned by Dan Deering, who was active in the very beginning of the streetcar effort, around 2007-2008. The vacant lot is actually part of 2630, which faces the side street. https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1301635,-84.5078248,3a,40.5y,113.58h,91.79t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sn8wdItr8E96Vd7ogDLTVOQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-1.7924167811953993%26panoid%3Dn8wdItr8E96Vd7ogDLTVOQ%26yaw%3D113.57957647363594!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDIwNS4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D 48 minutes ago, zsnyder said: What are the demographics between short vine and reading, traditionally? In the days I knew all kinds of people around UC (1990s), I never knew anyone who lived in that area. Some college students lived on Euclid and Bellevue, but about half of the residents were black, it was almost all black people from Highland over to Reading. I remember going to some UC parties in this building in the 90s: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.132611,-84.5075535,3a,75y,271.41h,114.23t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sJJil371da7KXaKZKmUXqzA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-24.226938318328294%26panoid%3DJJil371da7KXaKZKmUXqzA%26yaw%3D271.4060167131528!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDIwNS4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D I also vaguely recall, before cell phones, walking from a party on Euclid to a party halfway down the Straight St. hill. It was a serious midnight walk...to find out that the Straight St. party had died out. I lived across the street from this thing for five years...24/7 drug dealing on the corner for all five years: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1313088,-84.5076967,3a,75y,280.34h,102.58t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sqbmyWCJsKeqjinDLJWkSOg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-12.580410603407273%26panoid%3DqbmyWCJsKeqjinDLJWkSOg%26yaw%3D280.34120719052555!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDIwNS4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D I remember being on the phone with 911 when a large-scale brawl broke out and somebody fired off two rounds as they drove off...I asked the 911 lady if she heard that and she said yeah but it still took 15 minutes for the police to show up. Another time there was an argument behind the house that use to stand nearby (actually it's still on streetviewhttps://www.google.com/maps/@39.1299713,-84.5078497,3a,37y,281.43h,85.86t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1swBx3TNYvDUyc78qGKR5JjQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D4.138299853262481%26panoid%3DwBx3TNYvDUyc78qGKR5JjQ%26yaw%3D281.4298138298026!7i13312!8i6656?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDIwNS4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D) and one of the guys fired a shot straight down into the ground...instead of walking past the house I walked uphill to Vine and a police officer just happened to be sitting in his car in front of the old Sub Galley. I asked him if he just heard that gunfire and he shrugged his shoulders and couldn't be bothered. I also got held up by a teenager with a handgun right here in 2008 - he wanted "everything" and I just ran away and he got nothing: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1297047,-84.5078788,3a,49.5y,136.78h,91.05t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sFgeUengNott8OcSufk_RtA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-1.054875232937107%26panoid%3DFgeUengNott8OcSufk_RtA%26yaw%3D136.77557917949377!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDIwNS4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
February 8Feb 8 I lived a block east of Short Vine in 2006-2007. There were a lot of Black residents. If students did live in the neighborhood (which they did) they were certainly the more adventurous type. Your punks, rockers, artists. You didn't see a whole lot of the sheltered type or the kind that just sat in their rooms and watched movies. The kind of gentrification that happened there was definitely the type people talk about as being socioeconomically disadvantageous to the previous residents with teardowns and soaring rents unlike when abandoned gas stations, used car lots and surface parking get replaced with active developments that people shouldn't put in the same category -- but still do.
February 8Feb 8 1 hour ago, GCrites said: I lived a block east of Short Vine in 2006-2007. There were a lot of Black residents. If students did live in the neighborhood (which they did) they were certainly the more adventurous type. Your punks, rockers, artists. You didn't see a whole lot of the sheltered type or the kind that just sat in their rooms and watched movies. The kind of gentrification that happened there was definitely the type people talk about as being socioeconomically disadvantageous to the previous residents with teardowns and soaring rents unlike when abandoned gas stations, used car lots and surface parking get replaced with active developments that people shouldn't put in the same category -- but still do. You were there when Short Vine died off (right when they tore down the 24-hour Perkin's). The last band to play Sudsy's was Pumpkin Slut. That amazing name remained on the movable type sign for 2+ years. Right before that a bunch of stuff that had been on Short Vine moved to the then-nascent Northside. Along with those businesses went the sort of residents you described. The weirdest thing that happened to Short Vine was the redevelopment of the Sub Galley. You could smoke crack in that place and nobody cared...then they rehabbed it as a place called "Dive Bar" and all the normies showed up. So...somebody with money bought a legit dangerous bar, built-out a bar for normies, and called it "dive bar". You can't make this s**t up.
February 8Feb 8 Also, I am told that Top Cat's - pretty much the only thing aside from Bogart's that still has the same name - is now a a meat market bar that doesn't check ID's. The old lady who used to own that place was a ghoulish drunk who lived in Clifton Gaslight and was always stumbling down her stairs when I delivered food to her. That's back when they had a weird mix of outlaw country/biker bands playing there, a monthly reggae night, and then the occasional punk show. That bar had no idea what it wanted to be. There is now an improvised punk/hardcore/metal venue operating in this warehouse in Spring Grove Village: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1680189,-84.5090682,3a,75y,262.5h,93.79t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s_LrcPHzGAEyNgX1InOIyLw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-3.791341614089106%26panoid%3D_LrcPHzGAEyNgX1InOIyLw%26yaw%3D262.4960259496431!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDIwNS4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
February 8Feb 8 45 minutes ago, Lazarus said: Also, I am told that Top Cat's - pretty much the only thing aside from Bogart's that still has the same name - is now a a meat market bar that doesn't check ID's. The old lady who used to own that place was a ghoulish drunk who lived in Clifton Gaslight and was always stumbling down her stairs when I delivered food to her. That's back when they had a weird mix of outlaw country/biker bands playing there, a monthly reggae night, and then the occasional punk show. That bar had no idea what it wanted to be. There is now an improvised punk/hardcore/metal venue operating in this warehouse in Spring Grove Village: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1680189,-84.5090682,3a,75y,262.5h,93.79t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s_LrcPHzGAEyNgX1InOIyLw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-3.791341614089106%26panoid%3D_LrcPHzGAEyNgX1InOIyLw%26yaw%3D262.4960259496431!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDIwNS4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D I remember the end of that version of Top Cat's distinctly. They started having something called Metal Night which was a monthly DJ set for metalheads. I DJed it once and went to 3-4 more. Also made friends with the booking agent and his band members. In the middle of that the then-owner (her husband maybe) called a meeting to say they had been losing money for a while so he was shutting it down. Within a month he died.
February 8Feb 8 59 minutes ago, GCrites said: I remember the end of that version of Top Cat's distinctly. They started having something called Metal Night which was a monthly DJ set for metalheads. I DJed it once and went to 3-4 more. Also made friends with the booking agent and his band members. In the middle of that the then-owner (her husband maybe) called a meeting to say they had been losing money for a while so he was shutting it down. Within a month he died. The really weird thing is that Top Cat's, the place nobody cared about, has lived on while Sudsy's - the place everyone really loved - was physically torn down and replaced by a generic building that doesn't even have a storefront. Anyone who toured America in the 90s vividly remembers Sudsy's. If they played Top Cat's they don't remember it at all. Last summer I talked to a guy whose band has played upwards of 1,000 shows if not more since they formed around 1990. I told him that I saw them play Ripley's in the 90s. He didn't remember it. I told him that it's now a Chipotle and he erupted in laughter.
February 10Feb 10 On 2/8/2025 at 7:48 PM, zsnyder said: Believe It! I believe that their sign read "Believe it...or not!". I remember thinking that it was a wax museum when I was a kid like the one in Niagra Falls. There were no wax figurines in there, and really no decorations to speak of.
February 10Feb 10 I have never been a convert-goer but one particular show I remember is a band from Louisville called Love Jones which had mild LA success in the lounge revival days. They ordered LaRosa's breadsticks for the whole bar during their set and were throwing them everywhere. LOL.
February 10Feb 10 I wish I was in Cincinnati during those times. I was in college at North Iowa 2006-2010 but it wasn’t a big enough draw for anyone to have any type of concerts save for your buddies who could play guitar and sing a bit.
February 11Feb 11 On 2/3/2025 at 12:27 PM, tabasco said: At what point does UC student housing get overbuilt? I did not attend UC but I am in the area about once a week and it is starting to "feel" like it is getting there but I don't have any numbers to support that. Are current UC students less interested in living in a house with roommates like the did 20 years ago and more interested in living in these plastic towers? You would just think at some point with all the construction demand will have been met. Are small time landlords that may only own a couple/few/dozen SFH's still able to rent them out against this new competition? The developer believed there was enough demand to satisfy an 18-story tower, 12 residential floors over a 6-story podium. They would have moved forward with it but for community feedback indicating that sort of density was a nonstarter in the area. Edited February 11Feb 11 by Pdrome513
February 11Feb 11 Hotel Celare is open and its rates seem surprisingly low on their website, as low as $129. I wonder if its rooftop bar is open.
February 12Feb 12 A large retaining wall is under construction for the new Adriatico's location just west of Ohio Ave.: The new Adriatico's property is highlighted below. The owner has been buying these homes one-by-one since about 2012. Mr. Tuxedo still refuses to sell so he's building around him and the existing restaurant at 113 W. McMillan will be rented to a new tenant. Edited February 12Feb 12 by Lazarus
February 12Feb 12 ^Not sure which site you're using for CAGIS maps, but I recommend everybody check out the latest vector-based maps at https://cagis.hamilton-co.org/cagisonline/ There are vector-based maps for property, topography, streets. You'll see "VT" in the basemap name if it is vector-based, and it should be pretty immediately obvious how much cleaner the maps look when rendered with vectors (as opposed to rasterized images). Perhaps more importantly, the data in the vector basemaps will generally be the most up to date. For example, you can see the demolished building at 99 W McMillan is removed from the "Property VT Basemap" but still appears in the older, non-vector property map. Also the consolidated lot lines appear updated in the vector basemap.
February 12Feb 12 Surprised they're taking up this much space. I know someone mentioned a biergarten which will be great for the area, but hopefully they don't incorporate too much surface parking.
February 13Feb 13 15 hours ago, jwulsin said: ^Not sure which site you're using for CAGIS maps, The auditor's site. 15 hours ago, tonyt3524 said: Surprised they're taking up this much space. I know someone mentioned a biergarten which will be great for the area, but hopefully they don't incorporate too much surface parking. I got more information today. The Adriatico's owner is trying again to purchase Mr. Tuxedo. The retaining wall work seems to be a bit of an effort to put pressure on him to let him know that this is all really happening and that his skinny house will have a lot more value selling to Adriatico's than becoming the only remaining house on the block, where it can never be consolidated into a larger project. I asked if they are thinking about putting apartments above a new Adriatico's and they said no. Meanwhile, the new Adriatico's is going to have a lot of surface parking. Of course this appears to be a ridiculous decision given the presence of a 300-space parking garage directly across the street but my guess is that the bank won't do the construction and commercial loan without dedicated on-site parking. From the bank's perspective, the parking garage could change from public to private parking or it could be torn down and then the restaurant would be left without sufficient parking.
February 13Feb 13 8 hours ago, Lazarus said: Meanwhile, the new Adriatico's is going to have a lot of surface parking. Of course this appears to be a ridiculous decision given the presence of a 300-space parking garage directly across the street but my guess is that the bank won't do the construction and commercial loan without dedicated on-site parking. From the bank's perspective, the parking garage could change from public to private parking or it could be torn down and then the restaurant would be left without sufficient parking. A bummer but I understand the logic from the bank (I guess). Hopefully it's hidden in the back and/or the outdoor space is significant at least. edit: Also I don't know the process or justification for it, but they really need to add another crosswalk at the corner of McMillan and Market St by the Fairfield Inn. Edited February 13Feb 13 by tonyt3524
February 13Feb 13 1 hour ago, tonyt3524 said: edit: Also I don't know the process or justification for it, but they really need to add another crosswalk at the corner of McMillan and Market St by the Fairfield Inn. The traffic engineer did not want to delay left turning cars leaving Market, probably
February 13Feb 13 Don't understand why a small pizza joint needs a block worth of parking. So, no apartments above, but Is Adriaticos going to be the only tenant below?
February 13Feb 13 Maybe revive Acropolis chili, put it and Adriaticos on opposite ends, and open a Greco-Roman wrestling gym in the middle?
February 13Feb 13 Here's the scene 30 minutes ago (roughly 1pm on 2/13/25) on 1-lane McMillan - periods of total gridlock (no cars making it through intersections) and at least 10 minutes of added travel time between Clifton Ave. and Auburn Ave.: 1 hour ago, zsnyder said: Don't understand why a small pizza joint needs a block worth of parking. Keystone failed and Taste of Belgium failed (in fact Taste of Belgium was only open for maybe 6 weeks and now has a guy sleeping every night in its window). BW3's is the only sit-down restaurant without dedicated parking that has survived long-term in the area. The current Adriatico's has 7 customer parking spots, 3 spots in the back for drivers, and 10+ employee spots on the dirt where one of his houses was torn down. UC and the city have made no assertive steps - ever - toward encouraging students to leave their cars at home. Instead, they continue to cater toward cars, cars, and more cars. UC is a drive-to urban university, not an actual urban university like Harvard, MIT, Boston College, NYU, Columbia, etc.
February 13Feb 13 if there are issues with securing a bank loan that are contingent on that much parking, why not move into an extant structure like adriaticos did in columbus? There's like 8 spots behind their building, which houses at least three tenants. Hold strong, Mr. Tuxedo.
February 13Feb 13 1 hour ago, Lazarus said: Keystone failed and Taste of Belgium failed (in fact Taste of Belgium was only open for maybe 6 weeks and now has a guy sleeping every night in its window). BW3's is the only sit-down restaurant without dedicated parking that has survived long-term in the area. The current Adriatico's has 7 customer parking spots, 3 spots in the back for drivers, and 10+ employee spots on the dirt where one of his houses was torn down. It's not like everyone going to Mac's parks in their little 10ish-space parking lot behind it. And I'd argue way more people eat in at Mac's than at Adriatico's. Fortune Noodle House, King Wok, Tea N Bowl, Drunken Tacos, etc have all been around for quite a long time with no (or almost no) parking dedicated.
February 13Feb 13 1 hour ago, Lazarus said: Keystone failed and Taste of Belgium failed (in fact Taste of Belgium was only open for maybe 6 weeks and now has a guy sleeping every night in its window). BW3's is the only sit-down restaurant without dedicated parking that has survived long-term in the area. The current Adriatico's has 7 customer parking spots, 3 spots in the back for drivers, and 10+ employee spots on the dirt where one of his houses was torn down. I don't think parking killed those places imo. Good Plates has been doing well without parking as well. Shake Shack will be an interesting case study because there is no dedicated parking and you'll have a lot of area folks (not in CUF) wanting to come and try it.
February 14Feb 14 Take it fwiw. Trinitas the developer of the HUB apartments is looking to add more student housing in the area a lot apparently. Trinitas has a proposal into the city for development of McMillan, Auburn, Hollister & Vine Streets for additional student housing. The proposal is for up to 2500 units and 3500 beds.
February 14Feb 14 40 minutes ago, tonyt3524 said: I thought somebody else owned that land? Uptown Rentals and North American Properties own most of the land and have demolished several parcels.Trinitas is stepping in with a lot more building capital to build a much bigger development with them jointly again fwiw.This is close to a billion dollar project. Edited February 14Feb 14 by ucnum1
February 14Feb 14 3 minutes ago, ucnum1 said: Uptown Rentals and North American Properties own most of that land and have demolished several parcels.Trinitas is stepping in with a lot more more building capital to build much bigger developments with them jointly again fwiw.This is close to a billion dollar project. That's great! Big piece of property with some interesting topography. I'll be curious to see how they manage it. That edge of CUF is certainly going through a rapid transformation. Edited February 14Feb 14 by tonyt3524
February 14Feb 14 Trinitas developed The Deacon. Though I think it's safe to assume the tower at The District is going to get built with this news? Edited February 14Feb 14 by zsnyder
February 14Feb 14 17 minutes ago, zsnyder said: Trinitas developed The Deacon. Though I think it's safe to assume the tower at The District is going to get built with this news? Yeah I would've hoped that the District is still top priority to be finished.
February 14Feb 14 1 hour ago, zsnyder said: Trinitas developed The Deacon. Though I think it's safe to assume the tower at The District is going to get built with this news? That I do not know.I would assume so given that the on campus enrollment at UC is growing by 800-2000 new students physically being on main campus every year. I do know that the city is taking proposals from developers wanting to add 5-7k units near UC within the next 5 years.UC is booming and has been for a few decades.
February 14Feb 14 4 minutes ago, ucnum1 said: That I do not know.I would assume so given that the on campus enrollment at UC is growing by 800-2000 new students physically being on main campus every year. My assumption is based on Veritas' partnership with Crawford Hoying at The District. Hard to believe they'd move onto something this massive if it wasn't going to get built.
February 14Feb 14 1 hour ago, zsnyder said: My assumption is based on Veritas' partnership with Crawford Hoying at The District. Hard to believe they'd move onto something this massive if it wasn't going to get built. Only thing I seem to recall about the District project in recent memory is that project applying for state TMUD tax credits and missing out on them.That was inot in the latest round of applications. They missed out on those credits and built the hotel first.I would think with the hotel now open the student high rise will be built next. Edited February 14Feb 14 by ucnum1
February 14Feb 14 1 hour ago, ucnum1 said: They missed out on those credits and built the hotel first.I would think with the hotel now open the student high rise will be built next. High Demand coupled with outrageous student rents in those buildings= This absolutely should not be getting tax credits. This is not at all the kind of project that should be supported with credits, the developers should finance this on their own along with maybe some city infrastructure incentives around the site. Edited February 14Feb 14 by 646empire
February 14Feb 14 24 minutes ago, 646empire said: High Demand coupled with outrageous student rents in those buildings= This absolutely should not be getting tax credits. This is not at all the kind of project that should be supported with credits, the developers should finance this on their own along with maybe some city infrastructure incentives around the site. Yes but it also has negatives for development. Not receiving the state TMUD credits. I think their ask was for $12 million extends the project timeline 2-3 years out for the residential highrise.Instead of the hotel opening recently as a standalone development the hotel and 14 story residential highrise would be opening up this spring together. Trinitas is a large national developer with several projects near college campuses around the states. Not getting tax credits pushes the timeline back as the project gets done in piecemeal phases.
February 14Feb 14 There's people a lot smarter than me that makes these decisions but I'm surprised there's not like a Crunch Fitness or something in one of these new retail developments. The rec center has a reputation of already being outgrown in size and the dorms gyms aren't anything special. That coupled with all of the workers in the area it would make a lot of sense.
February 14Feb 14 Author Look inside Hotel Celare, Cincinnati's new $65M luxury hotel: PHOTOS By Christian LeDuc – Staff reporter, Cincinnati Business Courier Feb 14, 2025 Updated Feb 14, 2025 4:25pm EST One of Cincinnati’s newest luxury hotels is now open for business. The multimillion-dollar Hotel Celare is located at 310 Straight St. across from the University of Cincinnati. The project was developed by Columbus-based Crawford Hoying and the Shaner Hotel group. It was first announced in 2022. The 171-room property, which cost more than $65 million to complete, is the latest addition to the Tribute Portfolio by Marriott. The hotel features a slew of amenities including the Iris Cafe and the Vick, a rooftop bar that will open Feb. 20. It also has a fitness center, a locally curated market and an event space with outdoor terraces. MORE
February 18Feb 18 On 1/24/2023 at 3:26 PM, ColDayMan said: $47 million apartment project near UC gets Port aid The Port of Greater Cincinnati Development Authority’s board voted Tuesday to help a major Uptown apartment project, agreeing to purchase the project and lease it back to developer Hallmark Campus Communities, as well as provide financing. The Port will issue up to $41 million in bonds in addition to taking ownership of the property and leasing it back to Hallmark. Such a structure allows Hallmark to build the project without paying sales taxes on building materials it purchases. The bonds will be paid back with revenue from the apartment project. The agreement also requires Hallmark to come up with an economic inclusion plan. Columbus-based Hallmark is a well-known developer with projects in several states, said Todd Castellini, the Port’s senior vice president for finance and industrial development. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2023/01/24/major-cincinnati-apartment-project-gets-port-aid.html Brick is starting to go on this. Maybe it's the poor rendering at night, but I thought the brick was going to be much darker.
February 19Feb 19 9 hours ago, tonyt3524 said: Brick is starting to go on this. Maybe it's the poor rendering at night, but I thought the brick was going to be much darker. Also, the front door almost-but-not quite lines up with the center of Market St. It's going to be off-center by maybe 7 feet. From this vantage point you'll soon be able to do a 360-degree spin and be surrounded entirely by 21st century plywood buildings. What's crazy is that 20 years ago when the aircraft carrier-long UPA went up, it looked cheap and phony. But U Square was significantly cheaper, and this new Pomodorie's Apartments might be even cheaper than that. It's hard to believe but the now 20 year-old Ugly Tuna Saloona complex at OSU looks downright fantastic compared to the foam board stuff going up around UC. https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9940564,-83.0069107,3a,75y,106.38h,100.17t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sMABXuBfsPp-_vEcLh5EWtw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-10.167251254407901%26panoid%3DMABXuBfsPp-_vEcLh5EWtw%26yaw%3D106.38203478770362!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDIxMi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
February 19Feb 19 Author My friend's band played Sudsy's a lot in college. They were always so drunk they couldn't play well. He told us to come by and said they had tightened everything up, however, later that night he was so drunk he fell off the stage with his guitar.
February 19Feb 19 4 minutes ago, The_Cincinnati_Kid said: later that night he was so drunk he fell off the stage with his guitar. Well the stage was only about 12" high so I'm sure he was okay. I remember they had homemade stadium bleachers in there until about 1995 or 1996. They took them out and after that it was just standing room only, but then people started standing on the washing machines. What was great about that place was how it added so much life to the strip since the bands played at the front instead of the back. The sound was muffled but at least you could hear live music being played when you were outside. There used to be people playing saxophones or other instruments pretty regularly in front of the vacant row house in-between the Sub Galley and Perkin's.
February 21Feb 21 The old aerials of pre-short Vine + pre-MLK are amazing. This is just-about the most butchered-up area of the city - yet another example of a once-walkable area turned into drive-to urbanism. From 1957: I like how those tennis courts in the Losantiville Triangle are somehow now at least 70 years old. But how "short" Vine came to be was always a total mystery until the internet came along and the first Historic Aerials site, which I think appeared 2000. Definitely well-ahead of Google Earth. Edited February 21Feb 21 by Lazarus
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