Same. I always enjoyed the area over by Riddle Road but never chose to live there since it was so far from both Ludlow and Calhoun/McMillan. It could use a handful of businesses to break the gap between those two business districts. Plus anything across the street from DAAP is bound to do well and get 24/7 stream of customers.

^I used to live in that "Hobbit House" on Clifton across from Burnet Woods, and it really was annoying to grab something to eat. Of course a half mile to either area isn't really that far of a walk, but Clifton Avenue isn't the most friendly street and there isn't much interesting to look at along your walk. I always wanted an urban Target to go into that Riddle site, but obviously Calhoun Street stole that idea, too.

It sounds like the retail/restaurants won't come until later when there are significantly more uses in the area. 1,000 beds is a ton and adding a hotel, office space, and "other commercial uses" (whatever that means) can probably support a handful of retail spaces in the mix.

 

One thing to note that's different here than normal is the height. At 8 stories it can't be wood framed. Up until now all these types of developments have been wood framed so at the very least it'll be higher quality structurally. Not holding out hope for it to look any better from a finish standpoint though.

 

Ohio is switching to the 2017 building code this year, which is based on the 2015 IBC. Don't quote me on this because I haven't poured through it yet and its not a type of project I ever work on, but I believe the new code will allow for multi-story "podiums" of type 1A construction. So it may be possible for this project to use a 3 story concrete base, with 5 stories of wood frame above. Previously that was limited to a one story base with 5 stories of wood frame, which is what you see practically everywhere around CUF (and really, all around the country).  The 5+1 buildings already seem pretty massive in CUF and add a lot of density so this will be a nice addition for the purposes of density.

I believe the most current IBC allows for a multi-story base with up to 5 levels of wood framed construction above (opposed to a single story podium) but the height limits placed on this type of structure essentially mean that instead of a 1+5 we're starting to see 2+5 buildings.

 

Regardless, it appears that this building has several 9 story sections which would lead me to believe we're likely going to see either steel or concrete (likely steel) here.

Without knowing more, I'd guess that the Deaconess Medical Building (North Across Stratford) will be torn down and that spot redeveloped as a hotel, maybe taking the two sorority houses along Clifton with it. Then the existing Deaconess Hospital building will be redeveloped into a large office building through extensive renovation and possible creative demolition/addition work to fill the space better (though that may be wishful thinking on my end).

 

The article doesn't mention that parcel, but that would make sense. The article does say that the developer is considering the main medical building (south of Straight) for future phases:

Bennett said Trinitas is still evaluating the second and third phases of development, which would be on the hospital property on the south side of Straight Street. The developer is still evaluating whether or not it would attempt to renovate the existing building or demolish and build new construction on the site.

First phase of $300M development next to UC moves forward

 

The first phase of what is planned to be a $300 million development next to the University of Cincinnati moved forward Sept. 13.

 

As I reported last week, Trinitas Ventures has the former Deaconess Hospital properties under contract for purchase. It plans to redevelop the Straight Street properties, just west of UC, into a more than 1,000-bed off-campus student housing community in the first phase, as well as retail, restaurants, a hotel, office spaces and other commercial uses in additional phases. The first phase of the project would be the construction of a 350-unit multifamily development and renovation of the former Deaconess Hospital parking garage. The total investment for this phase is estimated to be about $108.3 million.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2017/09/13/first-phase-of-300m-development-next-to-uc-moves.html

“I think they’ve got a very good product,” said Todd Castellini, the authority’s director of public finance. “It keeps kids out of homes (in the neighborhoods surrounding the university). People will buy a house and put 10 kids in it.”

 

No it doesn't keep poor kids out of the houses.  The paradox of the new apartments around UC is that the students living in the expensive apartments won't have student loans but the ones living in the cheap houses will. 

According to the September 15 Planning Commission notes (page 19), Corryville is asking for Short Vine to officially be renamed from Vine Street to Short Vine Street.

According to the September 15 Planning Commission notes (page 19), Corryville is asking for Short Vine to officially be renamed from Vine Street to Short Vine Street.

 

Dan Schimberg of Uptown Rental Properties told me about a year ago that they were going to push for this, because most people around UC don't know what you're talking about when you say "Short Vine".

^Crazy.  Getting lost looking for Bogart's was a right of passage before GPS. 

Can we just rename Jefferson to "Vine" if they rename "Short Vine"?

Can we just rename Jefferson to "Vine" if they rename "Short Vine"?

 

I like that idea. While we're at it, we could also get rid of .4 mile segment of Jefferson between Ludlow and Nixon. To clear up naming, I'd make the following changes:

• Jefferson (Brookline - Nixon) - Rename to "Ludlow Avenue"
  
• Jefferson (MLK - Taft) - Rename to "Vine Street")
  
• Vine St (Corry to MLK) - rename to "Short Vine Street"
  

 

The original early 1980s proposal for MLK would have renamed all of Madison, Hopple, and Westwood-Northern as "MLK Drive".  The argument was that we'd have one east-west road that crossed most of the county. 

The original early 1980s proposal for MLK would have renamed all of Madison, Hopple, and Westwood-Northern as "MLK Drive".  The argument was that we'd have one east-west road that crossed most of the county. 

 

Eastsiders and Westsiders couldn't agree that this just makes sense?

The original early 1980s proposal for MLK would have renamed all of Madison, Hopple, and Westwood-Northern as "MLK Drive".  The argument was that we'd have one east-west road that crossed most of the county. 

 

Eastsiders and Westsiders couldn't agree that this just makes sense?

 

This just blew my mind that Westwood Northern Blvd. and Madison Rd. are actually the same street.

for reference, Madison used to dead end at Woodburn. There was no street thAT connected west from Woodburn at DeSales Corner. You had to go north or south on Woodburn to find a different cross street

I stumbled on this render just now and dont remember seeing it here before though i know this has been in the works for years. Any chatter on this one lately? http://www.smpconstruction.net/#prettyPhoto[gal1496]/0/

 

 

 

 

^ Supposedly still on track, but it is years away.  That rendering was about hype not proximity to construction.

What is the reason for it still being years away?

How much demand is there for another hotel at that location when they just built the Fairfield Inn & Suites two blocks away?

I thought that project was going to have a senior housing component if I remember.

 

Would be great spot for an underground light rail station for a tunnel connecting Downtown and Uptown.

 

What is the reason for it still being years away?

How much demand is there for another hotel at that location when they just built the Fairfield Inn & Suites two blocks away?

 

This project has to be searching for financing right now so I believe the last two posts are related :)

How much demand is there for another hotel at that location when they just built the Fairfield Inn & Suites two blocks away?

 

Not only is there still demand for a hotel, but they have actually expanded the hotel portion of the project.  Think of the views that tower will get of the basin...

How much demand is there for another hotel at that location when they just built the Fairfield Inn & Suites two blocks away?

 

Financing, design, construction... it takes time.

There is a "Coming Soon" sign up at the old American Apparel location on McMillan. It's PlanetCaravan - yes, another smoke shop. By my count that makes three smoke/vape shops within those 4 blocks of McMillan.

Take away vape shops and hookah lounges and there wouldn't be much up there. 

How much demand is there for another hotel at that location when they just built the Fairfield Inn & Suites two blocks away?

 

Financing, design, construction... it takes time.

 

Unfortunately it seems this project is now dead...

A few 4-families were torn down recently in the 2900 block of Stratford close to Probasco.  Something is under construction there but I don't know what. 

 

Here is the location:

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1338696,-84.5214913,104m/data=!3m1!1e3

You've known it as Short Vine; now it's official

 

 

One of Cincinnati’s quirks is getting a little less odd as the Short Vine Entertainment District was officially named such at an unveiling ceremony this morning.

 

Cincinnatians have called the portion of Vine Street between East Corry Street and the Martin Luther King Jr./Jefferson Avenue interchange by the Short Vine nickname for years. On Thursday morning Vice Mayor David Mann and the Short Vine Business Association members hosted a ceremony to unveil its official name change from Vine Street to Short Vine.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2017/12/07/youve-known-it-as-short-vine-now-its-official.html

So it's just "Short Vine" and not "Short Vine Street"? Bogart's new mailing address will be 2621 Short Vine, Cincinnati, OH 45219.

The original early 1980s proposal for MLK would have renamed all of Madison, Hopple, and Westwood-Northern as "MLK Drive".  The argument was that we'd have one east-west road that crossed most of the county. 

 

Eastsiders and Westsiders couldn't agree that this just makes sense?

 

This just blew my mind that Westwood Northern Blvd. and Madison Rd. are actually the same street.

 

Look up lake st in Chicago, see how far it goes :).

The original early 1980s proposal for MLK would have renamed all of Madison, Hopple, and Westwood-Northern as "MLK Drive".  The argument was that we'd have one east-west road that crossed most of the county. 

 

Eastsiders and Westsiders couldn't agree that this just makes sense?

 

This just blew my mind that Westwood Northern Blvd. and Madison Rd. are actually the same street.

 

That's *nothing*, up here in Dayton we have a road that's alternately named Turner, Shoup Mill, Needmore, Harshman, or Woodman depending on where you are, plus it has the honorific title of Wright Brothers Parkway.

The idea of a single road that runs the length of the county probably was a good idea pre-interstates, but now no one drives on local roads more than they need to, so it really doesn't matter. However I am always jealous of cities that keep their street grid numbering pattern going beyond the CBD and have extremely highly numbered streets, like 257th Street. Here in Cincinnati it only goes up to 15th Street.

The idea of a single road that runs the length of the county probably was a good idea pre-interstates, but now no one drives on local roads more than they need to, so it really doesn't matter. However I am always jealous of cities that keep their street grid numbering pattern going beyond the CBD and have extremely highly numbered streets, like 257th Street. Here in Cincinnati it only goes up to 15th Street.

 

On the northern side of Oakley there are 28th - 34th street then it randomly stops again and switches back to names. I am curious what grid they were a part of...maybe pre-I-71 the numbers continued into Norwood.

Numbering also resumes in Carthage up to at least 77th Street.

 

Also, the official name is now "Short Vine Street"

Yeah, I was just going to say, up by the famous (infamous) Indian car dealership in the Carthage/Bond Hill area, there are several numbered streets in the 70s and maybe 80s. I remember when I first saw them, I thought “is this area actually 79 blocks from the river?”

There continues to be the notion in Cincinnati that Vine St. is the region's "main" street.  Fact is that Vine then Springfield Pike are certainly not the axis around the Cincinnati universe spins.  Reading is the only road that goes more or less from one side of the county to the other, continuously.  Colerain doesn't make it quite so far south and Montgomery has a name change. 

^I would say Reading is the dividing line of the county and Vine is the dividing line of city. The county seems to be skewed more to the east than the city is.

The idea of a single road that runs the length of the county probably was a good idea pre-interstates, but now no one drives on local roads more than they need to, so it really doesn't matter. However I am always jealous of cities that keep their street grid numbering pattern going beyond the CBD and have extremely highly numbered streets, like 257th Street. Here in Cincinnati it only goes up to 15th Street.

 

On the northern side of Oakley there are 28th - 34th street then it randomly stops again and switches back to names. I am curious what grid they were a part of...maybe pre-I-71 the numbers continued into Norwood.

 

Yeah, I noticed that recently, but those do not appear to connect to Cincinnati's street grid. They are north-south streets where Cincinnati's numbered streets are east-west. Possible that they were intended to connect to numbered streets in Norwood.

Yeah the numbered streets in Oakley are much more enigmatic than the ones in Elmwood Place/Carthage. 

Interesting it ends on 15th street from East to West.  It probably would have ended just a bit further up the road and maybe across the way of the West End? 

 

I am guessing it ended at 15th Street because this was the dividing line of the city of Cincinnati for awhile before the Northern Liberties, correct?

 

After that because of the topography it would have been difficult to keep adding the numbers on the street grid it seems like.

 

Heck, even my hometown Cedar Rapids, IA has streets going up to 42nd street to my knowledge.  They have it laid out like, NE, SE, NW, SW.

 

The funny thing though is that they connect like 21st Street NE, Dividing line 1st Avenue, then it crosses over to 21st Street SE, but the streets run East to West.  This is because the original grid there was placed on the Cedar River which runs NW to SE, and 1st Avenue runs perpendicular to that until about 29th Street then heads straight north and south.  So the SE side of town is actually geographically East North East to East South East, and the SW side of town is East South East to West South West.  Then, as you go north of 29th Street, the SE side of town is geographically actually the NE side of town, and the NE side of town is geographically the NW side of town!

 

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Cedar+Rapids,+IA/@41.9859833,-91.7001074,13z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x87e45f7aa02f4251:0x55ee60432ce6ddc0!8m2!3d41.9778795!4d-91.6656232

 

 

>whatever it's called now

 

First it was McMillan Manor.

Then it was Sterling McMillan

Now it's "Campus Park"

http://www.campusparkcincy.com/

 

They have gutted the lobby and filled its windows with posters showing even douchier-looking happy students. 

 

The apartment complex known as "CP Cincy" has been sold again.

Okay so to update the lineage:

 

1. McMillan Manor (which many people still call it)

2. Sterling McMillan

3. Campus Park

4. CP Cincy

I also just noticed on their website that they apparently offer a recording studio as an amenity for residents. That seems really odd. "Yeah, we have a laundry facility, a workout room, and a recording studio with ProTools."

Check out the property appreciation as it changed hands since 2010:

http://wedge3.hcauditor.org/view/re/0890003002300/2017/transfers

 

2010: $13,950,000

2012: $19,850,000

2017: $26,000,000

^That's a sign that they've successfully jacked the rent while maintaining full occupancy. 

I also just noticed on their website that they apparently offer a recording studio as an amenity for residents. That seems really odd. "Yeah, we have a laundry facility, a workout room, and a recording studio with ProTools."

 

Or maybe just the free version of Audacity

Does this building have an oversized parking garage for the # of residents? I wonder if any other nearby future development could ever share with it.

^Yes. So much so that the top level isn't even used for parking and has a basketball net (or at least it did when I used to visit friends there). I know several people who lived here and if you drove up past the 2nd or 3rd floors there were never any cars.

Does this building have an oversized parking garage for the # of residents? I wonder if any other nearby future development could ever share with it.

 

I cant remember for sure on this one but i think the city may have chipped in on that as they apparently LOVE to do. Maybe someone was a good developer that year and got extra parking levels in their stocking? This was built quite a while back though and was from the previous admin or even pre-Mallory. One of the first 'build it and we ill fill it' private student housing developments around here. I never lived there but from the stories ive read and from other experiences it taught me that the only way to a quiet life was to avoid non-concrete highrises. I wonder if that recording studio bleeds sound to the neighboring units too.