July 28, 20195 yr I find the massively tall ceilings in that Kroger to be rather uncomfortable, it just feels off for the size of the space, and it's gotta waste a lot of energy in heating and cooling. Plus hanging signs or running conduit or refrigerant lines results in some pretty absurd installations. Contrast that with the suspended ceiling in the Hyde Park Kroger, which is too low, but at least it doesn't feel like a factory.
July 29, 20195 yr ^ I've always been curious if the store was designed to accommodate a possible full second floor build-out. There are prep areas and the liquor store/bar up on the second floor around the perimeter, but those could have been on a mezzanine level or a single structural bay that popped up higher than the rest of the store. There had to be some reason to make the entire building 35+ feet tall. Maybe it's set up to be modified, with the Marketplace additions all on the second level?
July 29, 20195 yr Marketplace stores are good for areas that are otherwise under-retailed (see the Marketplace on the South Side of Columbus which serves the heavily under-retailed Uncool Crescent) and Uptown certainly falls into that category.
July 29, 20195 yr The high ceilings are meant for expansions and additional service needs. Prior to the downtown store, Kroger was close to just closing Corryville. They had alot of old school close to retirement farts running the Cincinnati Dayton store planning/construction division. Urban stores were the worst idea ever thought of in their playbooks. I use to design for them. We are lucky a new store was built there at all. But the design and plan was basically a marketplace store with the sides loped off and it makes a smaller footprint.
July 29, 20195 yr So it was a lot of Bob From Mason and Buzz the Overpaid Boomer rather than in the Great Lakes Region which had newer ideas such as the Short North store.
July 29, 20195 yr 1 minute ago, GCrites80s said: So it was a lot of Bob From Mason and Buzz the Overpaid Boomer rather than in the Great Lakes Region which had newer ideas such as the Short North store. Yep basically. Hell the Louisville/Lexington division had more aggressive forward thinking guys that wanted to do urban format stores. I know a couple fellas that said some new blood from Chicago is helping run the Cincinnati Dayton division now so maybe we will continue to see some more creative Kroger development over time.
July 29, 20195 yr Clifton Heights just got all-new metro bus benches. The concrete benches with the advertisements are gone and they have been replaced with black metal benches that say "Clifton Heights" on them. Also, I spoke tonight to someone who went to the CUF community council meetings where the developers of The Deacon showed up, and said that the "old-timers on Fairview Ave." raised a big stink about the "density". So Deaconess Hospital wasn't "dense"? Give me a break. I don't get why someone would buy a house in a neighborhood like Clifton Heights and then complain about "density". It's like buying a house on the ocean and then complaining about water and seagulls.
July 29, 20195 yr 3 hours ago, jmecklenborg said: Clifton Heights just got all-new metro bus benches. The concrete benches with the advertisements are gone and they have been replaced with black metal benches that say "Clifton Heights" on them. Also, I spoke tonight to someone who went to the CUF community council meetings where the developers of The Deacon showed up, and said that the "old-timers on Fairview Ave." raised a big stink about the "density". So Deaconess Hospital wasn't "dense"? Give me a break. I don't get why someone would buy a house in a neighborhood like Clifton Heights and then complain about "density". It's like buying a house on the ocean and then complaining about water and seagulls. You’d think that they would understand living right next to a university, but just seems like all they want to do is complain. Pretty sure this will raise their home value much more than what Deaconess did.
July 29, 20195 yr 5 hours ago, jmecklenborg said: Clifton Heights just got all-new metro bus benches. The concrete benches with the advertisements are gone and they have been replaced with black metal benches that say "Clifton Heights" on them. Also, I spoke tonight to someone who went to the CUF community council meetings where the developers of The Deacon showed up, and said that the "old-timers on Fairview Ave." raised a big stink about the "density". So Deaconess Hospital wasn't "dense"? Give me a break. I don't get why someone would buy a house in a neighborhood like Clifton Heights and then complain about "density". It's like buying a house on the ocean and then complaining about water and seagulls. It's like all the folks who have moved in around Lunken who have bitched in the past about the sound. Hey sorry but airport was there before you moved in, you think it's going to be quiet now that you moved into the area?
July 29, 20195 yr Or when people move into a new subdivision in the middle of cornfields that even has "Farms" in the name then get mad when there's tractors loafing down the road at 8am making them late for work.
July 29, 20195 yr 21 minutes ago, GCrites80s said: Or when people move into a new subdivision in the middle of cornfields that even has "Farms" in the name then get mad when there's tractors loafing down the road at 8am making them late for work. And the problem is that when you call these people out for their sloppy emotional comments, you're the bad guy, plus you just ruined any hope of being neighbors with your neighbors.
August 9, 20195 yr What’s next for Cincinnati’s second-largest development? With Cincinnati City Council’s rezoning of 12 acres of land where the former Deaconness Hospital once stood, the second-largest real estate project being built in the city moves to a new phase. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/08/09/what-s-next-for-cincinnati-s-second-largest.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
August 9, 20195 yr 2 minutes ago, ColDayMan said: What’s next for Cincinnati’s second-largest development? With Cincinnati City Council’s rezoning of 12 acres of land where the former Deaconness Hospital once stood, the second-largest real estate project being built in the city moves to a new phase. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/08/09/what-s-next-for-cincinnati-s-second-largest.html I was just getting ready to post this. Unfortunately I cannot read it:/
August 10, 20195 yr New Children’s hospital addition with the new Ronald McDonald addition to the left in the first photo. I did not realize how massive it was until I saw it today. Edited August 11, 20195 yr by Ucgrad2015 Updated info to correct photo
August 11, 20195 yr It's big but I'm not seeing how this is costing $650 million to build. I assume that that cost includes a lot of new equipment. The Ronald McDonald House expansion is quite large -- it might be bigger than the current facility.
September 24, 20195 yr With the new Kroger now "On The Rhine", and Court St. "Under-the-Rhine", it's time for Clifton Heights to rename itself "Rhine Heights" so as to boost our cache and property values by $50k.
September 25, 20195 yr 29 minutes ago, GCrites80s said: Pendelton gets to be Rhine Near Can Mt. Adams then be named Mt. Rhine near.
September 25, 20195 yr 3CDC was very smart to pick "On The Rhine" as the branding for all of the new stuff on Court Street -- they can still use the acronym "OTR" and most people visiting the urban core won't realize (or care) it's not actually in Over-the-Rhine.
September 25, 20195 yr I was still rooting for "KrOger-The-Rhine." Meh. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
September 25, 20195 yr 9 hours ago, ColDayMan said: I was still rooting for "KrOger-The-Rhine." Meh. And for the apartments to be "Over-The-Kroger" I'll see myself out Edited September 25, 20195 yr by tonyt3524
September 25, 20195 yr 14 hours ago, jmecklenborg said: With the new Kroger now "On The Rhine", and Court St. "Under-the-Rhine", it's time for Clifton Heights to rename itself "Rhine Heights" so as to boost our cache and property values by $50k. I believe the business owners on Court Street have actually been pushing "Lo-T-R."
September 25, 20195 yr "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
September 25, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, DEPACincy said: I believe the business owners on Court Street have actually been pushing "Lo-T-R." That sounds like something a realtor from Landen came up with.
September 25, 20195 yr Back on topic here, snagged a couple photos this afternoon of the Deaconess site.
October 3, 20195 yr I apologize for my terrible paint work but adobe creative is not on this computer.... Drove by the corner of Clifton and MLK and noticed that the new DAAP annex is going to be way further back than expected. The have built out the structure already it seems. Really hope that prime corner spot is not going to be all surface parking... Edited October 3, 20195 yr by tonyt3524
October 4, 20195 yr 7 hours ago, tonyt3524 said: I apologize for my terrible paint work but adobe creative is not on this computer.... Drove by the corner of Clifton and MLK and noticed that the new DAAP annex is going to be way further back than expected. The have built out the structure already it seems. Really hope that prime corner spot is not going to be all surface parking... Well, i have some bad news for you.........maybe someday it will be different but for now it will be parking.
October 4, 20195 yr 19 hours ago, tonyt3524 said: I apologize for my terrible paint work but adobe creative is not on this computer.... Drove by the corner of Clifton and MLK and noticed that the new DAAP annex is going to be way further back than expected. The have built out the structure already it seems. Really hope that prime corner spot is not going to be all surface parking... Yep! You pointed this out in the UC Development thread, back in May:
October 4, 20195 yr This is a ridiculous project. They tore down 4 houses about 4 years ago for this sculpture studio, as if if blank land doesn't exist on UC's existing campus. Like, all that wasted space between DAAP and the corner of MLK & Clifton, for example. Or the sloping lawn between the DAAP bridge entrance and Clifton Court.
October 4, 20195 yr 17 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said: This is a ridiculous project. They tore down 4 houses about 4 years ago for this sculpture studio, as if if blank land doesn't exist on UC's existing campus. Like, all that wasted space between DAAP and the corner of MLK & Clifton, for example. Or the sloping lawn between the DAAP bridge entrance and Clifton Court. The problem with signature architecture is that those empty spots are critical to showing off the design. I'm betting they will never build on them, especially for the school of architecture. Some of the other buildings like the Graves building have one good sightline so that things can be built on other sides but DAAP and the landscaping around it are all part of the 'vision'. Not saying that's right but i think that is how they see it.
October 4, 20195 yr Each thing that pushes students further away from other things leads to more Xbox and DoorDash and less engagement in the local community and economy.
October 4, 20195 yr 33 minutes ago, GCrites80s said: Each thing that pushes students further away from other things leads to more Xbox and DoorDash and less engagement in the local community and economy. Well at least sculpture (and ceramics) students are pretty social with each other, since they need each other to help with kilns, molds, etc.
October 4, 20195 yr 4 hours ago, jmecklenborg said: This is a ridiculous project. They tore down 4 houses about 4 years ago for this sculpture studio, as if if blank land doesn't exist on UC's existing campus. Like, all that wasted space between DAAP and the corner of MLK & Clifton, for example. Or the sloping lawn between the DAAP bridge entrance and Clifton Court. Those houses have been demolished for way longer than four years, probably closer to eight years ago or even earlier.
October 4, 20195 yr Yeah I know someone who was the last person to live in one of those homes. He graduated in 2009 or 2010 and the building came down shortly after.
October 7, 20195 yr DAAP will need an annex in the next decade. I imagine this new building would be constructed at the corner of Clifton and MLK creating a DAAP campus that spans Clifton, hopefully accompanying traffic calming at that intersection.
October 7, 20195 yr Just now, Chas Wiederhold said: hopefully accompanying traffic calming at that intersection There was an earlier proposal to grade-separate that intersection, sinking MLK down and making Clifton Avenue an overpass, and creating an interchange between the two streets. (This may be shown in the model of campus that's on display in University Pavilion, but I'm not 100% sure.) With the way that the city has been widening MLK over the last decade and transforming it into a car sewer, I think they're more likely to do that than any sort of traffic calming, unfortunately.
October 7, 20195 yr 7 minutes ago, taestell said: There was an earlier proposal to grade-separate that intersection, sinking MLK down and making Clifton Avenue an overpass, and creating an interchange between the two streets. (This may be shown in the model of campus that's on display in University Pavilion, but I'm not 100% sure.) With the way that the city has been widening MLK over the last decade and transforming it into a car sewer, I think they're more likely to do that than any sort of traffic calming, unfortunately. There was also a plan to bury at least part of the MLK/Jefferson/Vine intersection. At MLK/Clifton, they could keep the intersection pretty much as it is but have a 1x1 lane underpass that would travel under the intersection. So there would be no need for an interchange with ramps or a jug handle. But traffic would still be held up at Dixmyth and then the White Castle and I-75 interchange lights. If they really wanted to speed things up they would have fought for an I-75 interchange that included slip ramps. The time saved would have been at the interstate, not right next to campus, though. I think people irrationally bias where they save time, not the total amount of time. The real time saver for UC would have been a flyover ramp that starts where the bicycle path travels down to Central Parkway and then crosses the downward-sloping Hopple St. overpass and joins the ramp to I-75 south. That would have saved many cars 2 light cycles.
October 18, 20195 yr I need to get some more updated photos, this was taken Sept 19. I don't think the new studio is going to have the non-skillion roof part at all. They only poured foundation for the skillion roof part. Currently they're putting corrugated metal roofing and insulation up.
October 28, 20195 yr https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2352-Ravine-St-Cincinnati-OH-45219/2082251153_zpid/ Looks like this is speculative, but it includes a design for a "22-56 bedroom" apartment building going in on Ravine and Volkert where a church currently sits.
October 29, 20195 yr Construction is well underway for project that spans the entire block bound by Euclid/University/Donahue/Bellevue. Due to the topography, it's an impressive foundation they're laying down. It's hard to capture in photos, so I encourage you to stop by.
October 29, 20195 yr ^Fun Fact: an early rapid transit proposal for Cincinnati foresaw a tunnel emerging in this very spot. The line would have continued on the surface parallel to Vine St. (which was undeveloped at the time), then headed back underground at Richie's Fried Chicken, surfaced again to cross the Mill Creek, and then connected with the College Hill Interurban, which terminated at the Old Timber Inn on Spring Grove Ave. It would have been a very useful line in the present-day since it would have connected College Hill & Mt. Healthy to the hospitals and UC on its way downtown.
October 30, 20195 yr 19 hours ago, jmecklenborg said: ^Fun Fact: an early rapid transit proposal for Cincinnati foresaw a tunnel emerging in this very spot. The line would have continued on the surface parallel to Vine St. (which was undeveloped at the time), then headed back underground at Richie's Fried Chicken, surfaced again to cross the Mill Creek, and then connected with the College Hill Interurban, which terminated at the Old Timber Inn on Spring Grove Ave. Where can one find a copy of that proposal?
October 30, 20195 yr 2 hours ago, Miami-Erie said: Where can one find a copy of that proposal? I read it about 10 years ago, but I can't remember where. It might have been in a history of the college hill line - that they were trying to get funding to build an entrance into DT Cincinnati.
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