I wouldn't be surprised if it goes in either the Playhouse Square or Gateway areas.  Isn't Gilbert going to do something at the old nuCLEus site?

West 3rd and St Clair?

I'm hoping it is in the Playhouse Square/Chester area. It would provide balance to a skyline that is very heavy to the west. 

On 9/26/2024 at 12:40 PM, NR said:

So it's been about eight months since the very first time we heard about this Skyline Changing Hotel/Residences building. I know not much can be said currently about the project, we don't even need to know the who, where, when or how...... but is it possible to get the estimated height range of the building? 😃 That's all we need to hold us over 😁

 

@zbaris87 @KJP

I dont know where it is, but ive already made my reservation

I'm just hoping it's built.

17 hours ago, cadmen said:

I'm just hoping it's built.

I have real skepticism that it will be. 

13 minutes ago, MyPhoneDead said:

I have real skepticism that it will be. 

Since the Skyline Changing Hotel/Residences building is now a punch line here...

As long as it's not the world's tallest and narrowest tower as in the Towering Info episodes of Second City TV back in its heyday.  If you need a good laugh please find the episodes on youtube especially those too young to know (you will recognize many present day actors/comedians and see them in their youth).  It also had a nuclear reactor on top with a restaurant on top of that- I'll stop there.

Most officially announced large projects don't make it to the finish line. That's to say nothing of projects still in the unofficial stage. I don't doubt the info, but the batting average of projects in this stage isn't great. I'd love a skyline changing hotel though, so hopefully this one achieves mixed sports metaphor success! 

If interest rates and. construction costs come way down, then maybe we'll see something happen.

6 hours ago, Ethan said:

Most officially announced large projects don't make it to the finish line. That's to say nothing of projects still in the unofficial stage. I don't doubt the info, but the batting average of projects in this stage isn't great. I'd love a skyline changing hotel though, so hopefully this one achieves mixed sports metaphor success! 

You are absolutely correct that most of them don't make it to the finish line AND around here most of them also don't make it to the starting line.

i dk about skyline changing height, but the rates dropped and so as long as its a good mix of hotel, long term stays and condo residences its likely something like that will get built.

Nice!

 

New Fidelity Hotel in downtown Cleveland is taking reservations, sets opening date

Published: Nov. 01, 2024, 7:00 a.m.

 

By Susan Glaser, cleveland.com

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio – The 97-room Fidelity Hotel, downtown Cleveland’s first new traditional hotel in nearly a decade, is taking reservations for stays starting in late January.

The hotel is located in the 11-story Baker Building on East 6th Street just off Euclid Avenue. In addition to 97 rooms and suites, the hotel will feature a full-service restaurant, bar, meeting space and more.

 

Rooms are available to book for stays starting on Tuesday, Jan. 28. Rates start at about $225 per night.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2024/11/new-fidelity-hotel-in-downtown-cleveland-is-taking-reservations-sets-opening-date.html

Any news about the Delta by Marriott that was going into the abandoned hotel in Midtown?

I'll check my inbox. Nope. Nothing.

Skyline Investments is exiting the hospitality business.

 

A new owner could benefit from the recently completed $90 million updating of the Hotel Cleveland, which took two years to complete at the 491-room property on Public Square. The Hyatt has 293 rooms and an active hotel business in the marble-floored, brass-appointed interior of the Arcade. A new owner also could seek upside by retenanting many empty storefronts on the Arcade's two lower levels.

 

https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/hotel-cleveland-downtown-hyatt-owner-exits-hotel-business

15 minutes ago, simplythis said:

Skyline Investments is exiting the hospitality business.

 

A new owner could benefit from the recently completed $90 million updating of the Hotel Cleveland, which took two years to complete at the 491-room property on Public Square. The Hyatt has 293 rooms and an active hotel business in the marble-floored, brass-appointed interior of the Arcade. A new owner also could seek upside by retenanting many empty storefronts on the Arcade's two lower levels.

 

https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/hotel-cleveland-downtown-hyatt-owner-exits-hotel-business

Probably a good time to sell and package both properties. 

 

quick right turn...I saw last week that the Aracde was rented out for the 1st Anniversary of luxury realty brokerage The Agency (owner seen on Housewives Beverly Hills).  The Arcade photgraphs well in the Instagram post attached to the Akron Beacon story:

https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/entertainment/2024/11/01/mauricio-umansky-visiting-cleveland-real-estate-the-agency/75989867007/

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DB1TLyypBa-/?utm_source=ig_embed&ig_rid=f35a66fb-2e96-4c3a-9c2b-6ea831063ab4

 

The firm's website also have a nice aerial shot of Cleveland (without SW though):

https://www.theagencyre.com/region/cleveland

I don't see Jimmy's Bratenahl house listed (yet)...

 

With the Fidelity Hotel wrapping up in the winter 2025  https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2024/11/new-fidelity-hotel-in-downtown-cleveland-is-taking-reservations-sets-opening-date.html

 

I see that there is up to 5 hotels Downtown that are either under construction or in the planning stages. How many of these do you think get built.

 

Under Construction

W Hotel - Erieview Tower - Construction stated in early November 2024

 

Planning Stage

Bedrock 17 story Hotel & Entertainment Center ( Shinola )

Medical Mutual Rose Building Boutique Hotel

Zbaris's - Skyline Changing Hotel

Dream Hotel - Zbaris is working on finding a site.

 

I think that maybe 3 of these get completed.  The one's that get started sooner have a chance as eventually there comes a saturation point.

 

Well, then we better get that skyline-changing hotel built quickly.  Just think of the victory lap that @zbaris87 will be able to take! 

It would be really nice to see a newly constructed hotel rather than converting a vacant office building.  

What's funny is there's 2 skyline changing hotels, and Ken has seen the renderings for the one in the warehouse district. 

 

 

Cleveland Hotel thread is locked…. So I’ll put it here:

 

Two new hotels planned for land across from Cleveland Hopkins airport

Published: Nov. 25, 2024, 11:42 a.m.

By Susan Glaser, cleveland.com

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio – A local development group plans to build two new hotels, along with two restaurants, across Brookpark Road from Cleveland Hopkins International Airport.

 

Included in the $60 million development: Two new extended-stay hotels, including a 124-room WaterWalk by Wyndham, which would be new to the Cleveland market. The second hotel could be part of the Marriott brand, perhaps a SpringHill Suites, said Richard Marshall, vice president of LaPine Legacy LLC.

 

Construction is likely to start next summer, with completion on the WaterWalk in late 2026 or early 2027.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/travel/2024/11/two-new-hotels-planned-for-land-across-from-cleveland-hopkins-airport.html

13 hours ago, MuRrAy HiLL said:

Cleveland Hotel thread is locked…. So I’ll put it here:

 

Two new hotels planned for land across from Cleveland Hopkins airport

Published: Nov. 25, 2024, 11:42 a.m.

By Susan Glaser, cleveland.com

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio – A local development group plans to build two new hotels, along with two restaurants, across Brookpark Road from Cleveland Hopkins International Airport.

 

Included in the $60 million development: Two new extended-stay hotels, including a 124-room WaterWalk by Wyndham, which would be new to the Cleveland market. The second hotel could be part of the Marriott brand, perhaps a SpringHill Suites, said Richard Marshall, vice president of LaPine Legacy LLC.

 

Construction is likely to start next summer, with completion on the WaterWalk in late 2026 or early 2027.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/travel/2024/11/two-new-hotels-planned-for-land-across-from-cleveland-hopkins-airport.html

Not the flashiest hotel flags but it's for the airport so that's to be expected, hopefully it looks decent.

I thought it was strange for a former research lab to be converted to a hotel, but apparently, the Orbit hotel is doing well.  It has good reviews.  I assume the inside looks nicer than the outside.

1 minute ago, LibertyBlvd said:

I thought it was strange for a former research lab to be converted to a hotel, but apparently, the Orbit hotel is doing well.  It has good reviews.  I assume the inside looks nicer than the outside.

 

I stopped by to visit a friend who was staying there last year. I had never heard of it prior to that. I thought it was really cool. They need to market themselves better.  

On 11/22/2024 at 8:55 AM, zbaris87 said:

What's funny is there's 2 skyline changing hotels, and Ken has seen the renderings for the one in the warehouse district. 

 

 

FWIW I have seen the renderings for both of these hotels. They look legit. Very professional. Not just a general massing.

12 minutes ago, HugeMilkshake said:

FWIW I have seen the renderings for both of these hotels. They look legit. Very professional. Not just a general massing.

Asking for some friends. Are we talking about the 2 proposed Brookpark Road extended stay hotels as skyline changing  - or the 2 Downtown skyline changing ones we eagerly await public announcements on? 

5 hours ago, LibertyBlvd said:

I thought it was strange for a former research lab to be converted to a hotel, but apparently, the Orbit hotel is doing well.  It has good reviews.  I assume the inside looks nicer than the outside.

That Orbit hotel does look cool, clean, simple and no-nonsense. The Lakewood Travelodge would be a perfect candidate for an upgrade to a similar concept.

4 hours ago, HugeMilkshake said:

FWIW I have seen the renderings for both of these hotels. They look legit. Very professional. Not just a general massing.

Is one of them more skyline-changing than the other? Any chance they combine into one giant skyline-changer? 😅

15 hours ago, Willo said:

Asking for some friends. Are we talking about the 2 proposed Brookpark Road extended stay hotels as skyline changing  - or the 2 Downtown skyline changing ones we eagerly await public announcements on? 

He's talking about the two downtown hotels. I was there when he saw the renderings 

1 hour ago, zbaris87 said:

He's talking about the two downtown hotels. I was there when he saw the renderings 

Can you at least offer an opinion as to whether, in your mind, these are "legit" developers proposing these two buildings.  I have lived a long time in this town and I would need ten hands for all the necessary fingers if I were to count all the times developers trumpeted a stunning new project with fancy renderings which ended up all being pie in the sky.  I know you cannot reveal much, but offering your thoughts on that question should not really spill the beans in anyway in terms of location, principals, size, design etc.  

 

To tell you the truth I am glad this is being kept under wraps.  If they are still trying to get their ducks in order (with financing and cost containment probably being the two biggest nuts, especially in the current construction environment), I would prefer not to  know rather than drool over wonderful renderings and then be disappointed again.  More developers should follow this type of game plan, especially if they want to maintain credibility-well at least with Urban Ohio.

2 hours ago, zbaris87 said:

He's talking about the two downtown hotels. I was there when he saw the renderings 

Thank you.  If you can't share the actual 2 sky changing renderings can you in the interim sketch them out with pencil on paper from your memory and share here. 😂

Umm, duh, this is what AI is for, folks!!! 

"A high quality aerial photo of downtown Cleveland as it is now, but with two skyline-changing hotels added."

(Lmao, so much about this image makes me laugh, from the moving of TT to the DS bridge being gone to the phantom 2nd TT rising out of the mist. 🤣)

42 minutes ago, Htsguy said:

Can you at least offer an opinion as to whether, in your mind, these are "legit" developers proposing these two buildings.  I have lived a long time in this town and I would need ten hands for all the necessary fingers if I were to count all the times developers trumpeted a stunning new project with fancy renderings which ended up all being pie in the sky.  I know you cannot reveal much, but offering your thoughts on that question should not really spill the beans in anyway in terms of location, principals, size, design etc.  

 

To tell you the truth I am glad this is being kept under wraps.  If they are still trying to get their ducks in order (with financing and cost containment probably being the two biggest nuts, especially in the current construction environment), I would prefer not to  know rather than drool over wonderful renderings and then be disappointed again.  More developers should follow this type of game plan, especially if they want to maintain credibility-well at least with Urban Ohio.

Both deals are 100% legit and with proven developers. Also, Hyatt corporate is behind one of the major deals

9 minutes ago, zbaris87 said:

Both deals are 100% legit and with proven developers. Also, Hyatt corporate is behind one of the major deals

Thanks for responding.  That is actually even more information than I was expecting.

19 minutes ago, zbaris87 said:

Both deals are 100% legit and with proven developers. Also, Hyatt corporate is behind one of the major deals

Alright folks, time to daydream! Here is a list of Hyatt collections. We can obviously eliminate the Inclusive Collection

 

Edited November 27, 2024Nov 27 by GREGinPARMA

22 minutes ago, zbaris87 said:

Both deals are 100% legit and with proven developers. Also, Hyatt corporate is behind one of the major deals

Thank you - even more clues!  Feel free to let a few more details out as it is not healthy to keep such important info bottled up inside with nobody to share with.  We promise we will keep it to ourselves if you want to share more.

9 minutes ago, GREGinPARMA said:

Alright folks, time to daydream! Here is a list of Hyatt collections. We can obviously eliminate the Inclusive Collection

 

 

To quote a famous TV commercial from the 80s.... "It’s in there!"

 

 

12 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

To quote a famous TV commercial from the 80s.... "It’s in there!"

 

 

Hmmm...So KJP does not rule out the Inclusive Collection meaning Impressions by Secrets is sitll on the table - talk about a game changer for Cleveland 🤣

if it is skyline-changing then my guess is for a Grand Hyatt!

58 minutes ago, GREGinPARMA said:

Alright folks, time to daydream! Here is a list of Hyatt collections. We can obviously eliminate the Inclusive Collection

 

 

So Hyatt already has a Regency downtown, and it's been confirmed the Dream hotel won't be "skyline changing." We can safely rule out the inclusive collection. If we assume they go for a different collection, JdV actually seems quite possible (plenty of mid-size markets, some new-builds, not crazy high-end).

 

A skyline changing hotel would have a lot of rooms, so a mid-tier hotel seems more likely. I think we can rule out the more compact hotels, and Grand Hyatt seems a little too high end. Thompson or Andaz are my other guesses.

 

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The Dream Hotel is going to be a new build, but it is not the skyline changing hotel, and neither is the one announced on the riverfront. 

 

Curious if anyone has guesses for SCH #2

Edited November 27, 2024Nov 27 by sonisharri

It's like looking for a needle in a Hyatt stack

25 minutes ago, sonisharri said:

A skyline changing hotel would have a lot of rooms...

Not sure there is demand here for a hotel will a lot of rooms.

1 hour ago, GREGinPARMA said:

Alright folks, time to daydream! Here is a list of Hyatt collections. We can obviously eliminate the Inclusive Collection

 

I think it will be the Timeless Collection so that there is less-time between today and @zbaris87 getting their victory lap. 

53 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said:

Not sure there is demand here for a hotel will a lot of rooms.

Well it would seem one of the largest hotel brands in the country may disagree with that statement

I'd like them to be tall but the main thing is for me they are on empty surface lots. Assuming we are talking new construction.

So would eiither or both of these hotels be a part of SW HQ2?  

No. But one of them is influenced by the presence of HQ1.

Not to be a Debbie Downer BUT a construction lien is filed against Hotel Cleveland. https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/skyline-investments-owner-hotel-cleveland-hit-257m-construction-lien

Lots of hotel talk here. Makes me wonder how many of these, particularly those of the skyline changing variety, have other uses involved. I know that's the case with the Rose building and Erieview Tower plans which also have apartment and office elements.

1 hour ago, KJP said:

No. But one of them is influenced by the presence of HQ1.

Now, assuming that HQ1 and its environs are not yet fully realised, could this hotel be the one that's ben discussed in the SW thread that would serve as a place to stay for SW employees in Cleveland on business or training?  i'de think that the general public would also have access?