As a Hyatt loyalist a Park Hyatt would be insane. 

 

Was expecting Dream to be the answer but it doesn’t fit the skyline piece I’m thinking it’s going to be a Thompson. Seems like they’re really pushing that brand and I’m all for it. 

1 minute ago, ITakeTheRapid said:

As a Hyatt loyalist a Park Hyatt would be insane. 

 

Was expecting Dream to be the answer but it doesn’t fit the skyline piece I’m thinking it’s going to be a Thompson. Seems like they’re really pushing that brand and I’m all for it. 

The 1970's style Regency with the revolving restaurant

55 minutes ago, Rustbelter said:

Lots of hotel talk here. Makes me wonder how many of these, particularly those of the skyline changing variety, have other uses involved. I know that's the case with the Rose building and Erieview Tower plans which also have apartment and office elements.

True then there is this: https://www.crexi.com/properties/1718036/ohio-east-9th-street-site

Is this the NY Spaghetti/Geis property for sale (it says listed 12 days ago).   Scrolling thru the 4 images seems it is.  I wonder if that redendering is what Geis had proposed way back when?

14 minutes ago, ITakeTheRapid said:

As a Hyatt loyalist a Park Hyatt would be insane. 

 

Was expecting Dream to be the answer but it doesn’t fit the skyline piece I’m thinking it’s going to be a Thompson. Seems like they’re really pushing that brand and I’m all for it. 

I'm a big fan of Park Hyatt but don't see it happening in Cleveland, unless Hyatt has some sort of subsidy dialed in with contracts from Middle Eastern royal families flying in for clinic treatments.  

 

A Thompson would be a great score though

44 minutes ago, Willo said:

True then there is this: https://www.crexi.com/properties/1718036/ohio-east-9th-street-site

Is this the NY Spaghetti/Geis property for sale (it says listed 12 days ago).   Scrolling thru the 4 images seems it is.  I wonder if that redendering is what Geis had proposed way back when?

 

As well funded as Geis seems to be, I'm surprised they were never able to pull the trigger on this themselves.

3 hours ago, Willo said:

True then there is this: https://www.crexi.com/properties/1718036/ohio-east-9th-street-site

Is this the NY Spaghetti/Geis property for sale (it says listed 12 days ago).   Scrolling thru the 4 images seems it is.  I wonder if that redendering is what Geis had proposed way back when?

 

Yes, it is.

 

2 hours ago, Mendo said:

 

As well funded as Geis seems to be, I'm surprised they were never able to pull the trigger on this themselves.

 

Few developers pursue projects by themselves, especially one that big. And Geis has gotten away from instigating developments, but rather partnering in a design-build-manage capacity.

So, my guess is. Skyline changing #1 is corner of W. 6th & St. Clair. Skyline changing #2 is NY Spaghetti site. 

12 hours ago, marty15 said:

So, my guess is. Skyline changing #1 is corner of W. 6th & St. Clair. Skyline changing #2 is NY Spaghetti site. 

If @KJP will just give this post a subtle “like”, we are getting warmer my friends

2 minutes ago, GREGinPARMA said:

If @KJP will just give this post a subtle “like”, we are getting warmer my friends

And whatever happened to the site across the street from NY Spaghetti house, infront of Thirsty Parrot? Wasn’t that for sale a few years ago?

21 minutes ago, GREGinPARMA said:

And whatever happened to the site across the street from NY Spaghetti house, infront of Thirsty Parrot? Wasn’t that for sale a few years ago?

 

It's been the subject of buyer interest, yes.

12 hours ago, marty15 said:

So, my guess is. Skyline changing #1 is corner of W. 6th & St. Clair. Skyline changing #2 is NY Spaghetti site. 

 I'm hoping one of them will be 4th & Prospect (nuCLEus site). Or maybe that will be skyline changing #3. 😉

1 hour ago, GREGinPARMA said:

And whatever happened to the site across the street from NY Spaghetti house, infront of Thirsty Parrot? Wasn’t that for sale a few years ago?

Richard Jacobs proposed a Courtyard by Marriott on that location about 25 years ago!

 

Edited November 28, 2024Nov 28 by Barneyboy

That was proposed for the west side of 9th & Bolivar.

 

 

Could maybe see a Loews on that lot next to Progressive Field. The Cardinals and Rangers have partnered with them for hotels adjacent to their ballparks. 

i just came home from florida yesterday and thank goodness the marriott courtyard was never built its giving me icky fla and airport hives. i mean vibes. both. 😂

On 11/27/2024 at 3:50 PM, simplythis said:

Not to be a Debbie Downer BUT a construction lien is filed against Hotel Cleveland. https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/skyline-investments-owner-hotel-cleveland-hit-257m-construction-lien

I wonder if the Marous Brothers are holding the rooftop script Hotel Cleveland hostage for payment?  We hope it is in a warehouse waiting to be placed on top at some point.

Tribute Hotel in the works at the rose building. https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/housing-at-rhodes-tower-and-a-hotel-at-the-rose-building-projects-win-state-tax-credits

2 hours ago, simplythis said:

Tribute Hotel in the works at the rose building. https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/housing-at-rhodes-tower-and-a-hotel-at-the-rose-building-projects-win-state-tax-credits

It's crazy how there are several hotels in the works for downtown Cleveland.  Don't see how the market can support them all.

They are mostly small boutique hotels with less than 200 rooms.

Businesses often enter crowded markets expecting to be able to outcompete existing options- and new facilities are often a strong competitive edge.  If there isn't enough market for all these hotels, some of the new projects will get weeded out, but we should also expect some of the older, less well maintained competitors to fail.

10 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said:

They are mostly small boutique hotels with less than 200 rooms.

Looks better that the Marriott Courtyard. We'll take it plus with branded apartments should help it survive. Seems to be a pretty well-developed mid-to-upper niche brand already world-wide so should have a built in customer base for travelers.

4 hours ago, cle_guy90 said:

It's crazy how there are several hotels in the works for downtown Cleveland.  Don't see how the market can support them all.

Seems there is a need for sure for downtown at least

 

What's even crazier is that there are so many more hotels coming to downtown and the surrounding area. They just aren't announced yet. 

33 minutes ago, zbaris87 said:

What's even crazier is that there are so many more hotels coming to downtown and the surrounding area. They just aren't announced yet. 

Do you have a number on new build vs repurposed?

What are the odds @zbaris87 you are in the holiday spirit and willing to give us a sizeable nugget to get us through to the new year? 😁

Unfortunately i'm under NDA with these deals, but all of them are new builds

24 minutes ago, zbaris87 said:

What's even crazier is that there are so many more hotels coming to downtown and the surrounding area. They just aren't announced yet. 

More good news we can’t take it! Please be skyline changing too!

It seems we’ll need them based on the 24/7 Haslam PR machine for all the global jet-set travelers, and hoi polloi too, aLL expected to make the pilgrimage to Brook Park. As someone mentioned the other day we hope for monthlong residencies by Taylor Swift and why not Cher and Britney Spears. I am sure they will enjoy the ride and views via shuttle bus from their luxury downtown hotel to Brook Park. After all we’ve seen how visitors already love the scary non-scenic shuttle bus ride from our well regarded airport to the offsite rental car building (heavy sarc).

6 minutes ago, zbaris87 said:

Unfortunately i'm under NDA with these deals, but all of them are new builds

 

That's enough for me for Christmas!

 

Cleveland needs another 10 - 15 new Hotels between Ohio City and University Circle over the next 5 - 10 years.  That may seem aggressive but I think it is very doable. Our current roster of Hotels has some really nice ones but a lot of mediocre ones also. The new ones will eventually replace some of the substandard ones.  I dont recall the number but the amount of Air bnb units rented per night in our market was pretty impressive. So there defiantly is a demand for new hotels.

Edited December 12, 2024Dec 12 by freethink

Marous Brothers Construction Inc., one of Northeast Ohio’s largest construction contractors, has removed a $2.57 million lien on Hotel Cleveland, per Cuyahoga County property records.

 

https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/hotel-cleveland-owner-wins-release-257-million-construction-lien

2 hours ago, simplythis said:

Marous Brothers Construction Inc., one of Northeast Ohio’s largest construction contractors, has removed a $2.57 million lien on Hotel Cleveland, per Cuyahoga County property records.

 

https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/hotel-cleveland-owner-wins-release-257-million-construction-lien

Hopefully the sign is coming!  

LOVE this photo angle:  https://www.cleveland.com/resizer/v2/3XGSZ2V7ENCWXOFB57K6H7E5DY.jpg?auth=db98307ebb729ca1de2c127d862345f10a3a0f2ccec2acee4fdff638b4ecfa85&width=1280&quality=90 

 

New Fidelity Hotel hopes to bring buzz back to downtown Cleveland’s Short Vincent (photos)

Published: Dec. 25, 2024, 5:30 a.m.

By Susan Glaser, cleveland.com

 

The $64 million project, in the works since before the pandemic, features 97 guestrooms, including 11 suites. It’s located inside the 11-story historic Baker Building, built in 1919 for the Fidelity Mortgage Company, at the intersection of E. Sixth Street and Vincent Avenue.

 

It’s the first new traditional hotel in downtown Cleveland in nearly a decade, since a flurry of new properties opened just before the Republican National Convention in 2016.

 

It’s also downtown’s first independent hotel – that is, not affiliated with any of the big hotel chains, including Marriott, Hilton and IHG.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2024/12/new-fidelity-hotel-hopes-to-bring-buzz-back-to-downtown-clevelands-short-vincent-photos.html

^ it made time out —

 

 

 

The new U.S. hotel openings we're most excited about for 2025

 

From New York's streets to Colorado's mountains, 2025's most exciting hotel openings span the country and sceneries

 

Written by Lauren Dana

USA contributor

 

 

…

Exciting new hotel openings for 2025

 

1. Fidelity Hotel | Cleveland, OH

 

Opening: Winter 2025

 

Situated in Cleveland’s Euclid Avenue Historic District, this boutique hotel is housed in a 103-year-old building. Its 97 rooms and suites seamlessly merge old and new with rich colors and patterns, brass, hardwood, marble floors and antique mirrors. Throughout the design-forward property, you’ll find bespoke furnishings and specially curated art that pays homage to the city and its rich history. Don’t miss the on-site bar and restaurant, The Club Room, which showcases local flavors in a trendy setting.

 

 

more:

https://www.timeout.com/usa/hotels/most-exciting-new-hotel-openings

more:

 

 

New Waterloo owns and operates South Congress Hotel, Otoko, Maie Day, La Condesa, Sway, Café No Sé, Mañana, Il Brutto, and Butler Pitch & Putt. They also manage Revival Hotel in Baltimore and El Capitan in Merced, CA. Along with its expansion into Cleveland, New Waterloo is slated to open Albert Hotel in Fredericksburg, TX and two restaurant concepts in Aspen, CO, all in 2024.

 

https://www.hospitalitynet.org/announcement/41010735.html

 

Fidelity Hotel — Photo by New Waterloo

 

 

we're doing a staycation there in February. very excited

3 hours ago, MuRrAy HiLL said:

LOVE this photo angle:  https://www.cleveland.com/resizer/v2/3XGSZ2V7ENCWXOFB57K6H7E5DY.jpg?auth=db98307ebb729ca1de2c127d862345f10a3a0f2ccec2acee4fdff638b4ecfa85&width=1280&quality=90 

 

New Fidelity Hotel hopes to bring buzz back to downtown Cleveland’s Short Vincent (photos)

Published: Dec. 25, 2024, 5:30 a.m.

By Susan Glaser, cleveland.com

 

The $64 million project, in the works since before the pandemic, features 97 guestrooms, including 11 suites. It’s located inside the 11-story historic Baker Building, built in 1919 for the Fidelity Mortgage Company, at the intersection of E. Sixth Street and Vincent Avenue.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2024/12/new-fidelity-hotel-hopes-to-bring-buzz-back-to-downtown-clevelands-short-vincent-photos.html

 

I really want to support these guys. They just seem to get it. 

 

“They like cool architecture and historic renovations,” said Conrad. “They’re not interested in building from the ground up. They wanted to bring new life into this building.”

 

and:

 

Local artwork will decorate the walls and halls, including some that will be for sale.

4 hours ago, Whipjacka said:

we're doing a staycation there in February. very excited

We'll be expecting a detailed report.

5 hours ago, LibertyBlvd said:

We'll be expecting a detailed report.

 

7 hours ago, surfohio said:

 

I really want to support these guys. They just seem to get it. 

 

“They like cool architecture and historic renovations,” said Conrad. “They’re not interested in building from the ground up. They wanted to bring new life into this building.”

 

and:

 

Local artwork will decorate the walls and halls, including some that will be for sale.

Lucky they chose Cleveland for this jewel as they seem to know what they doing and know their audience (unlike Skyline 776).  Maybe these developers can purchase 776 and finish construction as odds are the penthouse level crown panels will still allegedly be on the slow boat from China when Fidelity opens.

Went to HPA's website and browsed through their projects. Very impressive portfolio and I'm very optimistic for this. Also just learned they designed Intro

Boutique Marriott. https://www.clevescene.com/news/rose-building-to-rekindle-front-door-of-cleveland-identity-with-boutique-marriott-hotel-45819511

 

 

Thought I should repost this here for the debate about hotel demand.

According to a Boutique Hotelier survey in 2023, Cleveland was the fourth priciest city for hotel rooms, with an average rate of $234 a night

 

For context, the survey in question looked at prices in October (apparently the most expensive month) in 50 US destinations. Only centrally-located hotels with 3-stars or above were considered, and prices are for the cheapest available room. This actually makes the comparison a bit more head-to-head with other cities.

 

Here are a selection of prices on Expedia for October 18-19, 2025 (a full 9 months away) if you're still not sure:

- Cleveland Marriot Downtown $427

- Holiday Inn Express $264

- Metropolitan at The 9 $530

- Comfort Inn Downtown $362 (???)

- Hampton Inn Downtown $222

- Aloft Cleveland Downtown $449

- Fidelity Hotel $378

Edited January 18Jan 18 by sonisharri

Damn. Those are some expensive rooms. A friend of mine winters in Sao Paulo Brazil. He rents an airbnb condo downtown in a very modern and luxurious highrise for $1200 a month. Who would have thought Cleveland is much pricier?

Late summer/early fall has been wild around here the last few years. Weddings, baseball, football, etc drive up the prices like crazy. Most wedding blocks seem to lock in around $200 even during those crazy times at least. 
 

It’s great to see the demand. A lot of the nicer properties (ie the 9 and Kimpton) are starting to feel a bit tired already. The Hotel Cleveland project seems to be a dud. I hope some of the newer unannounced hotels are on the premium side with full amenities. I still can’t believe the W is happening. 

10 hours ago, sonisharri said:

 

 

Thought I should repost this here for the debate about hotel demand.

According to a Boutique Hotelier survey in 2023, Cleveland was the fourth priciest city for hotel rooms, with an average rate of $234 a night

 

For context, the survey in question looked at prices in October (apparently the most expensive month) in 50 US destinations. Only centrally-located hotels with 3-stars or above were considered, and prices are for the cheapest available room. This actually makes the comparison a bit more head-to-head with other cities.

 

Here are a selection of prices on Expedia for October 18-19, 2025 (a full 9 months away) if you're still not sure:

- Cleveland Marriot Downtown $427

- Holiday Inn Express $264

- Metropolitan at The 9 $530

- Comfort Inn Downtown $362 (???)

- Hampton Inn Downtown $222

- Aloft Cleveland Downtown $449

- Fidelity Hotel $378

Not to get too off topic, but stuff like this is why I've been using most of my vacation days on 2 trips abroad recently. Traveling around the US has gotten so ridiculously expensive that I save a ton of money. You can go to Switzerland and Austria for 2 weeks and save $1k vs going to the mountains in the Western US. I actually did the calculation 2 years ago while planning a trip. Belgium/Netherlands/France to easily see a string of unique big cities vs going along the East Coast saves a ton of money as well. 

 

Look at a city like Zurich, which everyone believes to be extremely expensive and unaffordable. I can find 30+ normal hotel rooms(no shared bathroom or anything) within 1 mile of the main train station for less than $150 a night for a 3 day weekend in mid May. And a local transit pass is included with your stay. For that same weekend in Cleveland, there are 3 in that price range within 5 miles of Public Square. Their restaurants are the same price as Cleveland and often cheaper when you factor in having to add 25-30% for tax and tip to your menu price here, as the price you see on the menu is exactly what you pay over there. 

 

Obviously someone here isn't going to just do a 3 day trip abroad, but it's just to show that even if you stop in a city like Zurich as part of your 1-2 week trip, it's cheaper than 3 days on a similar 1-2 week trip through the cheaper US cities like Cleveland, Detroit, Indianapolis, Pittsburgh, etc.

 

Hotels are half the price of US cities, you don't need to rent a car and pay for gas, trains are cheaper and more useful/frequent, restaurants and groceries are cheaper. 

 

It's good for development in Cleveland and our skyline, but those prices will likely just keep going up. I worry it will be a negative in the long term as there aren't a massive number of people willing/able to pay $1500 to fly to a city like Cleveland for a 3 night trip. Especially as more young people are more willing to go abroad and can easily see these huge price difference in apps.

Edited January 18Jan 18 by PlanCleveland

46 minutes ago, ITakeTheRapid said:

Late summer/early fall has been wild around here the last few years. Weddings, baseball, football, etc drive up the prices like crazy. Most wedding blocks seem to lock in around $200 even during those crazy times at least. 
 

It’s great to see the demand. A lot of the nicer properties (ie the 9 and Kimpton) are starting to feel a bit tired already. The Hotel Cleveland project seems to be a dud. I hope some of the newer unannounced hotels are on the premium side with full amenities. I still can’t believe the W is happening. 

Why do you feel the Hotel Cleveland project is a dud? I have been through there many times and it's an incredibly beautiful renovation in my opinion

Edited January 18Jan 18 by TDi

4 minutes ago, TDi said:

Why do you feel the Hotel Cleveland project is a dud? I have been through there many times and it's an incredibly beautiful renovation in my opinion

Mainly the reviews have been absolutely terrible since the reno and rebrand. 
 

The lobby and restaurant looks great imo but, to me, the rest of the building still feels old and stale. The rooms and layouts are average. The place is massive but it just feels like the Reno money didn’t do enough imo- at least in the rooms. 
 

I’ve been to so many cities where the beautiful old hotel bar is THE place to stop a grab a cocktail. And so many autographs just feel iconic and fresh. 
 

Hopefully they can get their operations in order. But the recent reviews, especially compared to all the other hotels downtown, are sad to see. 

On Expedia.com, the guest rating for the Hotel Cleveland is 7.6 out of 10, based on 1002 reviews.  For comparison, the Holiday Inn Express and the Indigo are rated 8.0 and 8.4 respectively, and the Hilton is rated 9.2.  Something isn't up to snuff on Public Square.

 

As for the W brand, I thought it was way up on the luxury scale, but a stay last December at the W on Lakeshore Dr. In Chicago burst that balloon.  The standard room was small and the ambiance was blah.  I hope what they develop in Erieview Tower is much better.

Edited January 18Jan 18 by urb-a-saurus

2 hours ago, urb-a-saurus said:

As for the W brand, I thought it was way up on the luxury scale, but a stay last December at the W on Lakeshore Dr. In Chicago burst that balloon.  The standard room was small and the ambiance was blah.  I hope what they develop in Eriewview Tower is much better.

That W Lakeshore has never been a gem of the W Brand.  IIRC it was an old Days Inn that W went in and put lipstick on a pig.    But it was on the lakeshore in the loop, good location, with a top floor bar that was all the rage in the early 2000's.   I haven't been there since that heyday, and I would imagine it has to be pretty tired these days.  

The W City Center was always a nicer property and I would imagine has been better maintained to date.  

^That rooftop bar is now only open for events.

11 hours ago, cadmen said:

Damn. Those are some expensive rooms. A friend of mine winters in Sao Paulo Brazil. He rents an airbnb condo downtown in a very modern and luxurious highrise for $1200 a month. Who would have thought Cleveland is much pricier?

 

yep was just apt hunting in sao paulo for work your world for a month, mostly because close time zone. unfortunately it turns out my spouse would have to go into the office almost every day per the rules instead of whenever, so we backed out. meh.

37 minutes ago, mrnyc said:

 

yep was just apt hunting in sao paulo for work your world for a month, mostly because close time zone. unfortunately it turns out my spouse would have to go into the office almost every day per the rules instead of whenever, so we backed out. meh.

 

At my job we all recently got a vague email from HR stating we had to “live” in the city where we were hired. I have no idea what that truly means, but its better to ask forgiveness than permission, so….