February 15, 20241 yr Assuming it will be new construction, what are the likely sites? One of the surface lots in the Warehouse District? The nuCLEus site? Bedrock riverfront site? NY Spaghetti House site?
February 15, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, cadmen said: @zbaris87when you say massive do you mean the reputation of the hotel company is massive or do you mean the size of the building will be massive? Both, 5 star hotel with a residence as well. Would also be a game changer for the Cleveland skyline. Will give more info when i'm allowed to speak about it
February 15, 20241 yr I'm gonna choose to manifest one of these lol: Edited February 15, 20241 yr by Geowizical
February 15, 20241 yr 47 minutes ago, zbaris87 said: Both, 5 star hotel with a residence as well. Would also be a game changer for the Cleveland skyline. Will give more info when i'm allowed to speak about it How soon can you speak about it? The anticipation is crushing!
February 15, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, zbaris87 said: It's a 5 star hotel, but none of the ones you mentioned above Four Seasons? They have opened in Baltimore and St Louis, so Cleveland wouldn't be too far-fetched. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
February 15, 20241 yr 14 hours ago, zbaris87 said: W is closing on their financing. Should be an announcement in the next few months Are you suggesting they are closing on the financing just for the hotel portion or the entire Erieview project? It's been surprising to me that development group has not been before council yet this year to sew up the second prong of the requested TIF which they have said is a vital component in order to reach the finish line. It was way back in October '23 that legislation was passed for the first prong of the TIF.
February 15, 20241 yr 6 hours ago, urb-a-saurus said: ^The old Sheraton across Euclid, in Midtown, is in limbo too. That was going to be the Delta Hotel. I was a bit leery about that project. The building dates back to 1964 and I assume is not in very good shape.
February 15, 20241 yr I'd love to see it go to one of these sites ... - NY Spaghetti House site - Playhouse Square adjacent (either south on Prospect or to the north with Greyhound) - Flats East Bank, next to former E&Y Tower - on Sumner & 9th next to cemetery Edited February 15, 20241 yr by sky
February 15, 20241 yr 10 minutes ago, ogibbigo said: Im guessing Convention Center Hotel Part 2 On the current Justice Center site! 😉 I know, I know, the availability of that site is several years out.
February 15, 20241 yr I was just about to ask...is anyone with the mock-up skills that I don't have whatsoever able to create a model of what a re-skinned Justice Center hotel would look like? That location was what came to my mind too.
February 15, 20241 yr 29 minutes ago, brownsfan1226 said: I was just about to ask...is anyone with the mock-up skills that I don't have whatsoever able to create a model of what a re-skinned Justice Center hotel would look like? That location was what came to my mind too. I cannot find it now of course, but there's an under construction pic of the building that shows some interesting looking structural steel. It's easy to imagine it looking pretty cool if it was somehow uncovered and visible under a new glass facade. edit - here: Edited February 15, 20241 yr by surfohio
February 15, 20241 yr I can't wrap my head around a project like this...skyline changing hotel with residences? I would have thought a project like that is at least 10 years in the future if then and only IF we increase our growth rate. An investment like that in our downtown now either means a bigtime corporation is projecting bigtime growth very soon or they just don't understand development. I don't know what to make of this news but it is titillating. And just to throw this out there, l wonder if the Browns leaving downtown would have an impact on projects like this? I can't imagine that it wouldn't. Downtown hotels are leaving a lot of money on the table if they lose that business.
February 15, 20241 yr I don't have mock-up skills, but maybe a re-skinned Justice Center could look something like the AECOM Building at E 9th & St Clair. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AECOM_Building
February 15, 20241 yr I would love something on the eastern edge of Downtown to balance out the height and preferably on St.Clair. That street could use an injection of lifeSent from my Pixel 8 Pro using Tapatalk
February 15, 20241 yr 5 hours ago, Dougal said: Four Seasons? They have opened in Baltimore and St Louis, so Cleveland wouldn't be too far-fetched. I thought that was a landscaping company...
February 15, 20241 yr So wait are we talking about the possibility of two "new construction" hotels in the downtown CBD. With the @zbaris875 Star bomb, The W and the Dream that would be 3 new flags not currently in the city. Crazy. When you consider that zbaris87 always has great intel and TurnDev is now involved with The W, and the Dream seems to be bent on expansion these all seem to be a real possibility. This could also mean that the Browns are staying downtown with a year round covered facility. Just speculation. Edited February 16, 20241 yr by freethink fixed error
February 16, 20241 yr 16 minutes ago, freethink said: So wait are we talking about the possibility of two "new construction" hotels in the downtown CBD. With the @zbaris875 Star bomb, the Weston and the Dream that would be 3 new flags not currently in the city. Crazy. When you consider that zbaris87 always has great intel and TurnDev is now involved with the Weston, and the Dream seems to be bent on expansion these all seem to be a real possibility. This could also mean that the Browns are staying downtown with a year round covered facility. Just speculation. Don't Bedrock is planning a hotel in an early phase
February 16, 20241 yr 7 hours ago, zbaris87 said: Both, 5 star hotel with a residence as well. Would also be a game changer for the Cleveland skyline. Will give more info when i'm allowed to speak about it Wait. WHAT??!! 😳
February 16, 20241 yr So wait are we talking about the possibility of two "new construction" hotels in the downtown CBD. With the [mention=2557]zbaris87[/mention]5 Star bomb, the Weston and the Dream that would be 3 new flags not currently in the city. Crazy. When you consider that zbaris87 always has great intel and TurnDev is now involved with the Weston, and the Dream seems to be bent on expansion these all seem to be a real possibility. This could also mean that the Browns are staying downtown with a year round covered facility. Just speculation.Did you mean The W? Sent from my Pixel 8 Pro using Tapatalk
February 16, 20241 yr @zbaris87sorry to keep bothering with the questions, can’t help ourselves. You dropped a pretty huge bomb today. I understand you need to be tight lipped for now, could you atleast say the three sites being considered? Or if one is the favorite?
February 16, 20241 yr I have the developer's name and architect and will write about it if/when it advances further. I reached out to the developer a couple of weeks ago but they're not talking yet. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 16, 20241 yr 12 minutes ago, KJP said: I have the developer's name and architect and will write about it if/when it advances further. I reached out to the developer a couple of weeks ago but they're not talking yet. That is probably all for the best. I hate it when a developer pops the cork in the infancy of a project, especially when financing is not a sure thing, and then we wait 2-4 years for shovels in the ground (if ever), constantly inquiring into the status and usually not getting good answers.
February 16, 20241 yr 5 hours ago, cadmen said: And just to throw this out there, l wonder if the Browns leaving downtown would have an impact on projects like this? I can't imagine that it wouldn't. Downtown hotels are leaving a lot of money on the table if they lose that business. Even if the Browns move to Brookpark, the people that are going to the concert/special event or the Browns game that are looking for a 5-star hotel likely won’t find it over there. They’ll have to come stay Downtown and take an Uber to/from the stadium. BTW, keep in mind, as of right now we are only talking about 10 or 12 dates the stadium is used. I doubt that will be the final decision of whether a hotel gets built of not.
February 16, 20241 yr Is the Bedrock site ready for development or do they first need to finish work on the bulkheads?
February 16, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, LibertyBlvd said: Is the Bedrock site ready for development or do they first need to finish work on the bulkheads? I think you're right about Bedrock being the developer. The RMFH provides a lot more play dates than the stadium. Gilbert wants a place to park his players (residential section) and a place to park his friends (the hotel). I could imagine one of those skinny, semi-supertalls rising by the river - 100 condos; 200 hotel rooms. 70 stories maybe? (This is pure speculation; I know nothing.) Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
February 16, 20241 yr 31 minutes ago, Dougal said: I think you're right about Bedrock being the developer. The RMFH provides a lot more play dates than the stadium. Gilbert wants a place to park his players (residential section) and a place to park his friends (the hotel). I could imagine one of those skinny, semi-supertalls rising by the river - 100 condos; 200 hotel rooms. 70 stories maybe? (This is pure speculation; I know nothing.) I’m imagining a building similar to the one planed as a part of 76 place in Philly (obviously next to practice facility instead of the stadium seen here) something at the scale you’re thinking of I imagine at the “nucleus” site Edited February 16, 20241 yr by BoomerangCleRes
February 16, 20241 yr 14 hours ago, Htsguy said: That is probably all for the best. I hate it when a developer pops the cork in the infancy of a project, especially when financing is not a sure thing, and then we wait 2-4 years for shovels in the ground (if ever), constantly inquiring into the status and usually not getting good answers. We all hate a premature cork popping.
February 16, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, BoomerangCleRes said: Something at the scale you’re thinking of I imagine at the “nucleus” site That would be awesome. I know Bedrock wants to focus on the riverfront, but I'm hoping the nuCLEus site will be the next to be developed downtown. It is such a huge parking crater, even larger now that the neighboring parking garage has been removed. And a tallish tower on that site would fill another gap in the skyline. Edited February 16, 20241 yr by LibertyBlvd
February 16, 20241 yr After reading comments I have convinced myself that the nucleus site is the frontrunner. They did just demolish that parking garage. Zbaris87 did say a game changer for the skyline, to me that lot is definitely the most prominentSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
February 16, 20241 yr 22 minutes ago, GREGinPARMA said: After reading comments I have convinced myself that the nucleus site is the frontrunner. They did just demolish that parking garage. Zbaris87 did say a game changer for the skyline, to me that lot is definitely the most prominent Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Certainly one of the more attractive places to live. Having the field house, ball park and e4th at your doorstep - and playhouse square a short hop - seems to deliver on the benefits of downtown living folks would be willing to pay a premium for.
February 22, 20241 yr Hotel Cleveland news. https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/past-and-present-collide-at-the-hotel-cleveland-the-near-complete-makeover-of-the-renaissance
February 22, 20241 yr Oh Well. I'm glad we got the NBA All-Star a few year ago. We will never host another one in the future. We are a small market. https://www.oklahoman.com/story/sports/nba/thunder/2024/02/21/oklahoma-city-nba-all-star-game-future-mayor-david-holt-okc-thunder/72673926007/
February 22, 20241 yr I hope we have enough hotel rooms. https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/ncaa-womens-final-four-tournament-expected-to-exceed-original-25-million-estimate
February 22, 20241 yr 18 minutes ago, simplythis said: I hope we have enough hotel rooms. https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/ncaa-womens-final-four-tournament-expected-to-exceed-original-25-million-estimate Mix in Airbnb and I think we'll be fine.
February 22, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, simplythis said: Oh Well. I'm glad we got the NBA All-Star a few year ago. We will never host another one in the future. We are a small market. https://www.oklahoman.com/story/sports/nba/thunder/2024/02/21/oklahoma-city-nba-all-star-game-future-mayor-david-holt-okc-thunder/72673926007/ Meh I’d bet against not having another, including the one in Richfield we’ve hosted 3 times. With the last one being one of the most stand out All-star weekends being the NBAs 75th anniversary. Oh and not to mention the 3rd richest owner Edited February 22, 20241 yr by BoomerangCleRes
February 22, 20241 yr possibly 4th now but regardless top 5 Edited February 22, 20241 yr by BoomerangCleRes
February 22, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, simplythis said: Oh Well. I'm glad we got the NBA All-Star a few year ago. We will never host another one in the future. We are a small market. https://www.oklahoman.com/story/sports/nba/thunder/2024/02/21/oklahoma-city-nba-all-star-game-future-mayor-david-holt-okc-thunder/72673926007/ Wow those requirements eliminates several NBA cities. Minimum of 20 International flights?? lol.
February 22, 20241 yr 13 hours ago, simplythis said: Oh Well. I'm glad we got the NBA All-Star a few year ago. We will never host another one in the future. We are a small market. https://www.oklahoman.com/story/sports/nba/thunder/2024/02/21/oklahoma-city-nba-all-star-game-future-mayor-david-holt-okc-thunder/72673926007/ Can't read the story but is this for real? I don't believe Adam Silver would want this. He is a fan of Cleveland, and his sister is one of my neighbors.
February 22, 20241 yr 18 minutes ago, willyboy said: Can't read the story but is this for real? I don't believe Adam Silver would want this. He is a fan of Cleveland, and his sister is one of my neighbors. I can’t imagine the owners signed off on this.
February 22, 20241 yr 19 hours ago, simplythis said: Oh Well. I'm glad we got the NBA All-Star a few year ago. We will never host another one in the future. We are a small market. https://www.oklahoman.com/story/sports/nba/thunder/2024/02/21/oklahoma-city-nba-all-star-game-future-mayor-david-holt-okc-thunder/72673926007/ This would have the All Star game in 10 NBA cities? Are the Superbowl requirements even this strict? Lol
February 22, 20241 yr ^ which cities do satisfy the requirements? It seems like it would be a fairly short list, less than half the league I'd think.
February 23, 20241 yr 6 hours ago, MyPhoneDead said: This would have the All Star game in 10 NBA cities? Are the Superbowl requirements even this strict? Lol Superbowls are gigantic but I get your point lol. The 20 international flights requirement really stood out to me as outrageous. What’s interesting is I have never really thought of NBA AllStar weekend as some crazy big event. Isn’t it on par or even a bit smaller than MLB AllStar Event or a NFL Draft and such?? Edited February 23, 20241 yr by 646empire
February 23, 20241 yr Just now, 646empire said: Superbowls are gigantic but I get your point lol. The 20 international flights requirement really stood out to me as outrageous. What’s interesting is I have never really thought of NBA AllStar weekend as some crazy big event. Isn’t it on par or even a bit smaller than MLB Star Game or a NFL Draft and such?? I really can’t believe these are actual requirements. A majority of billionaire owners agreeing to marginalize themselves? It really doesn’t make any sense. I don’t buy it.
February 23, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, 646empire said: Superbowls are gigantic but I get your point lol. The 20 international flights requirement really stood out to me as outrageous. What’s interesting is I have never really thought of NBA AllStar weekend as some crazy big event. Isn’t it on par or even a bit smaller than MLB Star Event or a NFL Draft and such?? Not sure here’s the numbers from ours Though
February 23, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, BoomerangCleRes said: Not sure here’s the numbers from ours Though Wow, those are big numbers I would have never thought.
February 23, 20241 yr 14 hours ago, 646empire said: Wow, those are big numbers I would have never thought. What's impressive about those is you can argue that they are still less than what they could've been but being basically a year removed from COVID everything was slowly starting back up
February 25, 20241 yr Sort of an off the wall question, when someone as big as drake comes into town, where do these top talents stay?
February 25, 20241 yr 14 minutes ago, BoomerangCleRes said: Sort of an off the wall question, when someone as big as drake comes into town, where do these top talents stay? I imagine the Ritz would be a big player...especially since it is so close to Rocket Fieldhouse.
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