^It's the John Hartness Brown Building on the north side of Euclid, between the Huntington Building (since renamed) and the Statler apartments.  And yes, Le Meridien is an upscale hotel flag, but it's not at all clear how probably this project is at the moment.

 

Here's the UO thread: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,8408.msg627268.html#msg627268

^^Yes, but this is still the enviro remediation part funded through state grants, no?  I don't think the actual redevelopment project has been financed yet.

I've not been able to run across anything about the project or remediation aside from the hotel rumor. All I know is every time I pass, there's a new light on and more work done.

^Got it--thanks for the update.  I don't mean to beat a wet blanket, I just want people to have appropriate expectations for the time being and to understand that the ongoing work doesn't yet mean Le Meridien (or any other end user) is definitely in the cards. Fingers crossed everything falls into place soon for this project and the Kimpton.

God, I can't believe the Schofield Building has been sitting like that for over 4 years, and they are only now (soon, allegedly) starting actual construction.

God, I can't believe the Schofield Building has been sitting like that for over 4 years, and they are only now (soon, allegedly) starting actual construction.

Serious question.  Why can't you believe it? 

God, I can't believe the Schofield Building has been sitting like that for over 4 years, and they are only now (soon, allegedly) starting actual construction.

Serious question.  Why can't you believe it?

I thumb through the completed and abandoned projects from time to time and I'm surprised some of them drag on for so long before getting started... or eventually canceled. I guess this project seemed different. The torn up facade and scaffolding up there for years just annoys me. I admit I've only recently gotten interested in urban development. I didn't know this stuff moved so slowly.

Here is some info on the exterior construction material to be used for Westin:

 

History of EIFS

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exterior_Insulation_Finishing_System

 

EIFS was developed in Europe after World War II and was initially used to retrofit solid masonry walls.[citation needed] EIFS started to be used in North America in the 1960s, and became very popular in the mid- 1970's due to the oil embargo and the resultant surge in interest in high energy efficiency wall systems (such as EIFS provides). The use of EIFS over stud-and-sheathing framing (instead of over solid walls) is a North American technique. EIFS is now used all over North America, and also in many other areas around the world, especially in Europe and the Pacific Rim.

They're using EIFS for that building?  Great.  Might be the one material uglier than vinyl siding.

They're using EIFS for that building?  Great.  Might be the one material uglier than vinyl siding.

 

There is actually a bit of skepticism on how it will hold up.

^God forbid there's ever a fire - the smoke from a fire involving EIFS produces seriously toxic fumes.

I'm very happy to report that for the first time (that I've seen) there is actual REAL work happening outside the Crowne Plaza/Westin!!!! Looks like they might be tearing up part of the front walk

I'm very happy to report that for the first time (that I've seen) there is actual REAL work happening outside the Crowne Plaza/Westin!!!! Looks like they might be tearing up part of the front walk

 

Yes!! Saw that myself on the way to work. There was a skidsteer outside along with some perforated pipe in the garage. It's about damn time :clap:

I don't think I've seen this rendering before and its not been posted in this thread (or at least that I've found)....

 

See, parking garages don't have to be ugly.

Updating this list from March 2012, current rooms Downtown and UC.

 

List crosslisted in the "Cleveland: Hotels, Conventions, and Tourism News & Info" thread.

 

 

 

DOWNTOWN

 

Aloft - 150 Rooms

Cleveland Marriott Downtown at Key Center – 400 rooms

Renaissance Cleveland Hotel- 441 rooms + 50 suites

Ritz Carlton – 205 rooms

DoubleTree by Hilton Cleveland Downtown – Lakeside – 379 including 5 suites

Hampton Inn - Cleveland Downtown – 194 rooms

Hilton Garden Inn Cleveland Downtown – 240 including 8 suites

Holiday Inn Express Hotel & Suites Cleveland – Downtown-141 rooms + 25 suites

Hyatt Regency Cleveland at The Arcade – 293 rooms

Radisson Hotel Cleveland-Gateway - 142 rooms

Wyndham Cleveland at Playhouse Square - 205 rooms, including 32 suites

Residence Inn by Marriott - Cleveland Downtown - 175 suites

Comfort Inn – Downtown – 130 rooms

University Hotel & Suites (36th & Euclid) – 161 rooms*

Westin Cleveland Convention Center Hotel - 481 Rooms

 

TOTAL (including hotels under construction – in italics):  3,812

 

*I know, its east of the Innerbelt boundary of Downtown

[“suites” are counted as “rooms” for this purpose.]

 

 

MIDTOWN/UNIVERSITY CIRCLE

 

Tudor Arms (Doubletree) – 154 rooms

Glidden House – 60 rooms

Cleveland Clinic Guest House (Intercontinental)  (96th & Euclid) – 231 rooms

Intercontinental Suites (88th & Euclid) - 162 suites

Intercontinental Hotel (98th & Carnegie)  299 rooms + 23 suites

Marriott Courtyard—University Circle - 153 Rooms

 

TOTAL (including hotels under construction – in italics):  1,082

 

[“suites” are counted as “rooms” for this purpose.]

 

TOTAL:  DOWNTOWN + MIDTOWN + UNIV CIRCLE:  4,894

 

 

POTENTIAL FUTURE

 

Kimpton - 161 Rooms

Potential Le Meridien? – (Euclid between 9th and 12th) - ??

 

 

Updating this list from March 2012, current rooms Downtown and UC.

 

List crosslisted in the "Cleveland: Hotels, Conventions, and Tourism News & Info" thread.

 

 

 

DOWNTOWN

 

Aloft - 150 Rooms

Cleveland Marriott Downtown at Key Center – 400 rooms

Renaissance Cleveland Hotel- 441 rooms + 50 suites

Ritz Carlton – 205 rooms

DoubleTree by Hilton Cleveland Downtown – Lakeside – 379 including 5 suites

Hampton Inn - Cleveland Downtown – 194 rooms

Hilton Garden Inn Cleveland Downtown – 240 including 8 suites

Holiday Inn Express Hotel & Suites Cleveland – Downtown-141 rooms + 25 suites

Hyatt Regency Cleveland at The Arcade – 293 rooms

Radisson Hotel Cleveland-Gateway - 142 rooms

Wyndham Cleveland at Playhouse Square - 205 rooms, including 32 suites

Residence Inn by Marriott - Cleveland Downtown - 175 suites

Comfort Inn – Downtown – 130 rooms

University Hotel & Suites (36th & Euclid) – 161 rooms*

Westin Cleveland Convention Center Hotel - 481 Rooms

 

TOTAL (including hotels under construction – in italics):  3,857

 

*I know, its east of the Innerbelt boundary of Downtown

[“suites” are counted as “rooms” for this purpose.]

 

 

MIDTOWN/UNIVERSITY CIRCLE

 

Tudor Arms (Doubletree) – 154 rooms

Glidden House – 60 rooms

Cleveland Clinic Guest House (Intercontinental)  (96th & Euclid) – 231 rooms

Intercontinental Suites (88th & Euclid) - 162 suites

Intercontinental Hotel (98th & Carnegie)  299 rooms + 23 suites

Marriott Courtyard—University Circle - 153 Rooms

 

TOTAL (including hotels under construction – in italics):  1,082

 

[“suites” are counted as “rooms” for this purpose.]

 

TOTAL:  DOWNTOWN + MIDTOWN + UNIV CIRCLE:  4,939

 

 

POTENTIAL FUTURE

 

Kimpton - 161 Rooms

Potential Le Meridien? – (Euclid between 9th and 12th) - ??

 

Generally speaking, how many rooms do we need in order to be competitive for major events?

^inlovewithCLE, that's currently the discussion going on here:

 

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,11531.245.html

Do the Embassy Suites go by a different name because I didn't see it on that list up there.

Do the Embassy Suites go by a different name because I didn't see it on that list up there.

 

They are turning it into apartments ...

(Also posted in CSU Developments)

 

Cleveland State University takes another step toward converting Mather Mansion to hotel: Higher Education

 

"A year after Cleveland State University sought proposals from developers willing to sublease its historic Mather Mansion and develop it into a boutique hotel, university officials have decided to proceed with a development agreement with the Chesler Group.

 

The project will go forward only if Chesler, in Novelty, can put together a financial package to pay the estimated $12.6 million to redevelop the property, CSU officials said.

 

CSU owns the 43-room Tudor mansion at 2605 Euclid Ave. Completed in 1910 for iron-mining millionaire Samuel Mather, it is on the National Register of Historic Places. The building housed various CSU departments but has been vacant since August, 2011."

 

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/12/cleveland_state_university_tak.html#incart_river_default

 

 

Read more: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,2289.3185.html#ixzz2EgFP8VSr

It's Over.  Embassy shuts down. http://www.19actionnews.com/story/20305390/embassy-suites-closes-downtown-hotel-rooms

wahoo!! ^

it was a good hotel. sad to see it go.

I am probably being daft but that article says the transformation will make Reserve Square one of the largest apartment buildings in downtown Cleveland.  What is bigger?  I thought Reserve was the biggest even before conversion.

I am probably being daft but that article says the transformation will make Reserve Square one of the largest apartment buildings in downtown Cleveland.  What is bigger?  I thought Reserve was the biggest even before conversion.

It does say "one of". A couple of the buildings in the Warehouse district are pretty big. Crittendon or Bridgeview?

I am probably being daft but that article says the transformation will make Reserve Square one of the largest apartment buildings in downtown Cleveland.  What is bigger?  I thought Reserve was the biggest even before conversion.

 

Nothing, it's just shoddy journalism.

Work on the Westin has definitely begun. Today they were already removing a portion of the facade on the Public Hall side of the building.

Updating this list from March 2012, current rooms Downtown and UC.

 

List crosslisted in the "Cleveland: Hotels, Conventions, and Tourism News & Info" thread.

 

 

 

DOWNTOWN

 

Aloft - 150 Rooms

Cleveland Marriott Downtown at Key Center – 400 rooms

Renaissance Cleveland Hotel- 441 rooms + 50 suites

Ritz Carlton – 205 rooms

DoubleTree by Hilton Cleveland Downtown – Lakeside – 379 including 5 suites

Hampton Inn - Cleveland Downtown – 194 rooms

Hilton Garden Inn Cleveland Downtown – 240 including 8 suites

Holiday Inn Express Hotel & Suites Cleveland – Downtown-141 rooms + 25 suites

Hyatt Regency Cleveland at The Arcade – 293 rooms

Radisson Hotel Cleveland-Gateway - 142 rooms

Wyndham Cleveland at Playhouse Square - 205 rooms, including 32 suites

Residence Inn by Marriott - Cleveland Downtown - 175 suites

Comfort Inn – Downtown – 130 rooms

University Hotel & Suites (36th & Euclid) – 161 rooms*

Westin Cleveland Convention Center Hotel - 481 Rooms

 

TOTAL (including hotels under construction – in italics):  3,857

 

*I know, its east of the Innerbelt boundary of Downtown

[“suites” are counted as “rooms” for this purpose.]

 

 

MIDTOWN/UNIVERSITY CIRCLE

 

Tudor Arms (Doubletree) – 154 rooms

Glidden House – 60 rooms

Cleveland Clinic Guest House (Intercontinental)  (96th & Euclid) – 231 rooms

Intercontinental Suites (88th & Euclid) - 162 suites

Intercontinental Hotel (98th & Carnegie)  299 rooms + 23 suites

Marriott Courtyard—University Circle - 153 Rooms

 

TOTAL (including hotels under construction – in italics):  1,082

 

[“suites” are counted as “rooms” for this purpose.]

 

TOTAL:  DOWNTOWN + MIDTOWN + UNIV CIRCLE:  4,939

 

 

POTENTIAL FUTURE

 

Kimpton - 161 Rooms

Potential Le Meridien? – (Euclid between 9th and 12th) - ??

 

Generally speaking, how many rooms do we need in order to be competitive for major events?

 

Lets look at Philadelphia (10k), Atlanta 13k (Including Midtown almost 20k) Indi (4.7k + 1000), Charlotte (30k total, downtown breakout to come) and Baltimore (5.5k)  Nashville (To come).

 

We don't compete on rooms alone nor on brand, since many company's have corporate agreements.  How can we sell (downtown) Cleveland, not university circle, not greater cleveland, when we do not have brand share in the CBD.  No Starwood (Sherton, Westin, Le Meridien, W, etc.) , No full service Hilton (Conrad, Waldorf=Astoria, Hilton, Doubletree*, Embassy Suites etc.), No Hyatt Regency, Grand Hyatt, Park Hyatt, etc.  Nor do we have luxury independents like the Fairmont, Loews, Omni, Mandarin oriental, Gansevort, Four Seasons, Kimpton.

 

On top of that our Airport is a mid sized HUB, but we do have room to expand (seats/enplanements).  However, that depends on the powers at be in another state.

 

From a professional standpoint we are not at a place to compete.

We don't compete on rooms alone nor on brand, since many company's have corporate agreements.  How can we sell (downtown) Cleveland, not university circle, not greater cleveland, when we do not have brand share in the CBD.  No Starwood (Sherton, Westin, Le Meridien, W, etc.) , No full service Hilton (Conrad, Waldorf=Astoria, Hilton, Doubletree*, Embassy Suites etc.), No Hyatt Regency, Grand Hyatt, Park Hyatt, etc.  Nor do we have luxury independents like the Fairmont, Loews, Omni, Mandarin oriental, Gansevort, Four Seasons, Kimpton.

 

On top of that our Airport is a mid sized HUB, but we do have room to expand (seats/enplanements).  However, that depends on the powers at be in another state.

 

From a professional standpoint we are not at a place to compete.

 

So what's the answer? 

 

I don't think there's anything that can be done to bring more hotels to the area besides what we're already doing - adding more attractions, bringing more workers downtown, bringing more residents downtown and just giving more reasons for someone to want to stay downtown.  The hotels will come when the other things happen.  No one's gonna build a "spec" hotel in downtown Cleveland and just hope it will be filled.

 

Is there something else such as above average tax rates that would turn off a brand from being here?  Are the suburbs sucking up the good brands?  Does someone need to knock on Starwood's door and say "Have you thought about Cleveland?"

We don't compete on rooms alone nor on brand, since many company's have corporate agreements.  How can we sell (downtown) Cleveland, not university circle, not greater cleveland, when we do not have brand share in the CBD.  No Starwood (Sherton, Westin, Le Meridien, W, etc.) , No full service Hilton (Conrad, Waldorf=Astoria, Hilton, Doubletree*, Embassy Suites etc.), No Hyatt Regency, Grand Hyatt, Park Hyatt, etc.  Nor do we have luxury independents like the Fairmont, Loews, Omni, Mandarin oriental, Gansevort, Four Seasons, Kimpton.

 

On top of that our Airport is a mid sized HUB, but we do have room to expand (seats/enplanements).  However, that depends on the powers at be in another state.

 

From a professional standpoint we are not at a place to compete.

 

So what's the answer? 

 

I don't think there's anything that can be done to bring more hotels to the area besides what we're already doing - adding more attractions, bringing more workers downtown, bringing more residents downtown and just giving more reasons for someone to want to stay downtown.  The hotels will come when the other things happen.  No one's gonna build a "spec" hotel in downtown Cleveland and just hope it will be filled.

 

Is there something else such as above average tax rates that would turn off a brand from being here?  Are the suburbs sucking up the good brands?  Does someone need to knock on Starwood's door and say "Have you thought about Cleveland?"

 

I'm sure that would be a start.  NONE of the properties mentioned are in the 'burbs nor are they hotels what would go to the burbs, sans the Four Season.

How about the county offers to demolish current administration building, including all abatement costs, and the start the bids for selling the land at $1? And maybe it offers to use the bed tax and parking revenues from this hotel to help finance construction of the hotel and parking deck if more than XXX rooms and YYY parking spaces are built?

Just look to Columbus to see how they got the new Hilton Convention Hotel built. 

Just look to Columbus to see how they got the new Hilton Convention Hotel built. 

And what will that tell us?  It's not a convention sized hotel, It's adjacent to the convention center.  What we do not need is a small hotel attached to the center.  We need to take a step out of the box and build a convention sized and functioning property, period.

Is the hotel in the Arcade no longer a Hyatt Regency?

Is the hotel in the Arcade no longer a Hyatt Regency?

 

It is and will be staying that way although there will be some sort of renovation. At least that's what I read most recently

I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice, but yes, we actually do have some of the brands on MyTwoCents's list in our downtown.  And we will likely have a couple more pretty soon.

Just look to Columbus to see how they got the new Hilton Convention Hotel built. 

And what will that tell us?  It's not a convention sized hotel, It's adjacent to the convention center.  What we do not need is a small hotel attached to the center.  We need to take a step out of the box and build a convention sized and functioning property, period.

 

MTS, when you say WE do you mean us on this board....'cuz I still haven't finished my Christmas shopping yet and I am going to have a lot of bills to take care of in January...I might be able to do something in March if I get a tax refund. :lol:

How big is a convention sized hotel relative to the amount of convention space we actually have? Are the numbers we're throwing around sound for the size of conventions we'll actually attract, or are they mostly found in the larger convention capable cities? This conversation has gone around so many time that I'm sure it's been discussed, but it's lost to memory and difficult to track down at this point.  If anyone has specific city/convention center examples we can look to that'd be swell.

The Westin in Pittsburgh is an example. Don't have specifics at the moment, but I believe it has over 600 rooms.

Just look to Columbus to see how they got the new Hilton Convention Hotel built. 

And what will that tell us?  It's not a convention sized hotel, It's adjacent to the convention center.  What we do not need is a small hotel attached to the center.  We need to take a step out of the box and build a convention sized and functioning property, period.

 

Why does everything go over your head?  It would tell us how the city of Columbus was able to get another hotel built where it really needed one (it is a notable example).  It was the creative approach by the city of Columbus that got it built. 

Here's what I found so far in medium- to medium/large-sized cities with hotels having 600 or more hotel rooms. Cleveland's biggest downtown hotel doesn't even have 500 room....

 

Cincinnati

Millennium Hotel Cincinnati, 872 rooms.

 

Columbus

Hyatt Regency Columbus, 633 rooms.

(Note: the new Hilton on North High Street in downtown Columbus will come close, at 532 rooms).

 

Detroit

Detroit Marriott at the Renaissance Center has 1,298 rooms.

 

Milwaukee

Hilton Milwaukee Downtown, 729 rooms.

 

Nashville

We could always build the Gaylord Opryland Resort & Convention Center which has 2,881 hotel rooms. It started with 600 and expanded from there.

 

Pittsburgh

Westin Convention Center Hotel, 606 rooms.

 

St. Louis

The Renaissance St. Louis Grand Hotel has 917 or 1083 rooms depending on which site you believe.

Millennium Hotel St. Louis has 780 rooms.

 

Detroit

Detroit Marriott at the Renaissance Center has 1,298 rooms.

 

Nice location, that Marriot. Must be nice being adjacent to a complex with 10,000 employees on one side and convention center on the other side (COBO).

Lets just get that Renaissance Hotel expansion!

Lets just get that Renaissance Hotel expansion!

 

I'd like to see something physically connected to the convention center. Based on what other cities in Cleveland's peer group have, it's not unreasonable to ask for an 800-room convention hotel AND an expansion of another hotel like the Renaissance.

Just look to Columbus to see how they got the new Hilton Convention Hotel built. 

And what will that tell us?  It's not a convention sized hotel, It's adjacent to the convention center.  What we do not need is a small hotel attached to the center.  We need to take a step out of the box and build a convention sized and functioning property, period.

 

Why does everything go over your head?  It would tell us how the city of Columbus was able to get another hotel built where it really needed one (it is a notable example).  It was the creative approach by the city of Columbus that got it built. 

 

Because you aren't clear and I do not want to assume what you might be thing.  Your statement implies I know more about what you think or feel.  When I don't know or clearly understand a post, I ask for clarification.

 

How exactly did Columbus manage to have that hotel built and how does it relate to Cleveland?  What is this creative approach?  How is it a notable example? 

 

 

Hopefully when the county sells its current headquarters, they can demand someone build an 800+ convention hotel on the spot.

 

Now we wait.

Some food for thought - and let's keep subsequent posts on topic, but the story behind Baltimore's Hilton Convention Center hotel is interesting to say the least. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilton_Baltimore

 

Some food for thought - and let's keep subsequent posts on topic, but the story behind Baltimore's Hilton Convention Center hotel is interesting to say the least. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilton_Baltimore

 

 

Thanks. I think it's important to share these examples (especially from peer cities) along with links so we can learn more and possibly help city and county officials find the information more quickly. They are often mired in day-to-day minutiae, so anything we can do to make their lives easier in developing a fact-based case for a casino hotel (publicly funded if needed) is useful.

Some food for thought - and let's keep subsequent posts on topic, but the story behind Baltimore's Hilton Convention Center hotel is interesting to say the least. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilton_Baltimore

 

 

But it cites the lack of conventions as a reason, but there are other variables as well.  And lets face it, Baltimore isn't, in my experience, as diverse as Cleveland as an overall "attraction".  In addition, they have more rooms in the city than we have.  We also need to look at the management and reputation of the property.  Social media can make a break a property, especially on a site like FlyerTalk.

I have some general questions about potential hotel  developments downtown (not focused specifically on a convention center hotel) and wondering if anybody here has any basic knowledge  of the industry.

 

Based on Pugu's numbers from the previous page, there are currently 3200 hotel rooms downtown (obviously not including Aloft or Westin).  Based on Downtown Cleveland Alliance's Q3 update, Sept occupancy rates were 75%, meaning, on average, 2400 rooms were booked each night of the month.  Is that a poor/avg/good/great number?  If good/great, did that number carry on into Oct/Nov and now Dec, or was Sept a one-off based on some special events?

 

And if good/great, will the 600+ rooms from Aloft and Westin (plus the Kimpton's 100+ rooms) be enough to satisfy this growing demand?

 

I ask these questions because it would seem to me nearly impossible to convince anyboy (public, private or a combination) to build a convention center hotel of any meaningful size unless you had a growing hotel market without enough inventory to handle the growth.