I'm shocked that nobody brought this up.

 

Another example of a high level pedophile abusing children, yet I cannot adopt without scrutiny.

 

What sickens me most, is that a portion of the Penn State student body, decided to "protest" for Joe PA.  WHY NO PROTEST FOR THE VICTIMS?

Sandusky Penn State Scandal Timeline: Abuse, Cover-Ups Began in 1994

 

March 2, 2002 -- A graduate assistant allegedly tells Coach Joe Paterno that he saw Sandusky in the locker room shower on Mar. 1 with a young boy. The retired defense coordinator was engaging in anal sex with the boy, believed to be no more than 10 years old.

 

THIS GUY JUST LEFT.  He left a kid with a monster.  He didn't go to the police, because he was distraught??  What kind of living hell was that kid going through??

 

 

Penn State trustees fire Paterno, president Spanier amid scandal

 

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. (AP) -- Joe Paterno was fired by the Penn State board of trustees Wednesday night despite saying he would retire as coach after the football season ended, brought down by the growing furor over the handling of child sex abuse allegations against an assistant coach.

 

Penn State President Graham Spanier was also ousted.

 

"I am disappointed with the board of trustees' decision, but I have to accept it," the 84-year-old Paterno said in a statement. "A tragedy occurred, and we all have to have patience to let the legal process proceed."

 

 

Woody Hayes and Bobby Knights "incidents" are miniscule to this shit!

 

The real loser in all of this is the catcher for the Washington Nationals who was abducted in Venezuela.  Would have been a big deal, but now he's page 2 at best.

^Lol.

 

It has to suck major balls to coach at the university for 46 years, become the winningest coach in college football history, be regarded as a "god" at the campus, and get booted out the door the way he did. I think they could have at least let him finish out the season. He didn't deny anything and even owned up and said he could've done more.

 

On the other end, since he was unanimously voted out, I'm thinking there is a lot more to the situation than what is being released. On the surface, it looks as if Joe Paterno is the scapegoat of the situation resulting from the university feeling obligated to take drastic measures in wake of the situation. Since no one stood up for him in the decision to vote him out, I'm thinking there is some serious stuff that they don't want to publicize about "JoePa."

Good Riddance, Joe Paterno

 

...

What I am trying to fathom is how it ever became possible that so many men of power and intellect did nothing when it became obvious, because it was abundantly obvious on the basis of the findings of fact handed down earlier this week by a Pennsylvania investigative grand jury, that a former assistant coach familiar to all of them was apparently plucking out little boys as young as 10 to f--k up the ass or be on the receiving end of blowjobs.

 

(Note: we need to stop the daintiness and describe the alleged offenses for what they truly are in the vernacular to somehow try to capture the monstrousness. Not anal intercourse or oral sex, which sounds clinical, but butt-f--king and blowjobs and cock-grabbing and pants-groping and other assorted acts that the 67-year-old Sandusky allegedly inflicted on eight minor victims over a 15-year span, according to the 23-page grand-jury report, and resulted in 40 counts of serial sex abuse of minors.)

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/11/10/joe-paterno-and-penn-state-s-code-of-omerta-in-the-sex-abuse-scandal.html

This story isn't as clear cut as some make it seem, at least regarding Paterno.  I'm not saying Paterno comes out looking rosey, but the guy who actually saw this take place... and didn't stop it... didn't go to the cops... didn't even go to Paterno right away... he's still coaching this Saturday!  Paterno reported it as soon as he was informed, and he wasn't necessarily informed at that time of the grisly details.  Even the Attorney General of PA has questioned how disproportionately this has been handled by the university.  If Paterno didn't do everything in his power, and it certainly appears he didn't, that ginger guy came nowhere close to doing the right thing. 

The conspiracy theory is that the coach who saw the act is actually one of the unnamed victims in the indictment because they say he knew the accused and grew up with the accused's sons.  The other theory is that Penn State fears violating whistle blower protection laws by firing him.

Those theories are both plausible.  In either case, how awkward. 

Paterno had to go. McQuery and the rest of the staff will be gone at the end of the season and will never coach anywhere again.

 

I think everyone needs to go. It's shocking that anyone could have heard the allegations and not called the police. Basically they told Sandusky that he'd better not bring any more kids around the locker rooms and that was it. Wow.

 

The law exists because it tells us the bare minimum of what we have to do in society. Merely meeting that hurdle is not something to crow about. Paterno needed to go to the police with what he heard. The Grad assistant that saw it (McQuery) should have gone to the police, if anything to admit to killing a man that was raping a 10 year old boy in the showers. But, none of that happened.

I can't watch any of this when it comes on TV. The whole thing just brings tears to my eyes. I have to change channels, which makes me wonder what I would have done if I had witnessed such horrors. Would it have been so sickening to me that I would try to convince myself that I didn't actually see it? I don't know. We never know how we would respond in a certain situation of immense stress unless we actually experience it. And we all respond very differently to  intense situations. It's why I fast-forward past certain scenes in the movie Sleepers. It's a terrific movie, but parts are just too disturbing for me to watch.

What a gigantic mess and somehow I get the feeling that this is only the tip of the iceberg.  There are other crazy rumors also floating around about disappearing prosecutors and child sex rings that if even half-true make this situation even more unbelievable.  If Penn State weren't keeping Sandusky around for the heck of it, I wonder if he may have had some kind of leverage on the school?

 

I'm sad for the kids and sad for the way a legendary coach like Paterno is ending his career, but I feel no empathy for him on a personal level because what he did (or actually, didn't do) was a monumental mistake that probably cost other children their innocence. 

This really is beyond horrible.  And in one of the last places you would suspect it.  Penn State.  Held up as a big-time program "doing it the right way".  Penn State's slogan is actually "Winning With Honor"!  And now we find out that Penn State was covering up "40 counts of criminal sexual abuse with children over the course of 15 years"!  Some of which occurred in school athletic facilities!

 

More from ESPN about the key players and timeline in this scandal:

 

Key players in Penn State saga

 

Sandusky, Penn State case timeline

 

Imagine the alum donations now and the next few years; I mean, the school is facing god knows how many tens (hundreds?) of millions in damage. What alum - hell, what student for that matter - would want to pay money to pay for their school's legal bills/damages now.

 

(Though in all fairness, I do believe the university said something to the effect that they wouldn't use alum donations for any subsequent bills. Though if you believe that, I've got a beautiful bridge to sell). 

 

And who in gods name would want to go to a school that is so clearly brainwashed by this Paterno guy that the students actually rioted over his being fired. What the hell are they smoking out there? Christ, it's like all those North Koreans crying on the streets after the Great Leader died in the early 1990s - who are these morons and how many years of therapy will it take to undue this incomprehensible amount of brainwashing that must have occurred? My eldest nephew is looking at colleges for next year, and you can bet Penn (which he ironically visited several weeks ago) is off the table, at least according to my mom/his grandma.

 

ALso, If I'm Nebraska, I say Saturday's game needs to be postponed; hell, if I'm the NCAA, I say there is no way Penn State should be involved in football for the rest of the season, perhaps even more years than that. The entire school needs to be punished for this incident for a very long time. And with this McQueary guy coaching now (by the way, what 28-year-old walks away from a 10-year-old being brutally raped - there is no reason this guy should be allowed anywhere near a football field, more or less minors). It doesn't matter if he is protected by whistleblower statutes or if he himself was molested and then relived the child's rape (a rumor floating around) or whatever garbage defenders of this clown are saying - the fact that he didn't do anything to save that 10-year-old makes him no better than the rapist or the scumbags who knew what was happening. Hell, his inaction was worse than Paterno's inaction since it was so immediate.

 

 

Here's a copy of the grand jury report.

Warning: Graphic in nature

 

http://www.freep.com/assets/freep/pdf/C4181508116.PDF

 

I think the kids at Penn State rioted in defense of Paterno for similar reasons that the Occupy Everywhere folks are: Young people are sick of seeing people that they like and trust going down while the ones who really caused the problems don't. Of course, in this case Sandusky is in big trouble himself. Whether they are right or wrong, those college kids' were thinking "Joe Paterno didn't molest anyone, didn't see it happen and told his superiors, yet is still going down. BS! Let's have a riot!" Paterno's been in football, what, 70 years? Yet, he's never had to deal with something like this and there's probably little precedent for something this explosive. I also agree with Columbo that people are getting sanction fatigue.

My eldest nephew is looking at colleges for next year, and you can bet Penn (which he ironically visited several weeks ago) is off the table, at least according to my mom/his grandma.

 

You mean Penn State, right?  Penn is quite a different school than Penn State.

Here's a copy of the grand jury report.

Warning: Graphic in nature

 

http://www.freep.com/assets/freep/pdf/C4181508116.PDF

 

 

I don't think anyone should be allowed to comment on this story until they read the grand jury report.

 

And a few other articles:

Penn State child sex-abuse scandal: When we had the facts, we ran the story

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/penn_state_child_sex-abuse_sca.html

 

A Patriot-News Special Report: Who knew what about Jerry Sandusky? There were many missed chances to investigate as early as 1995

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/who_knew_what_about_jerry_sand.html

 

And this article from April 4, 2011...

Madden: Sandusky a State secret

 

http://www.timesonline.com/columnists/sports/mark_madden/madden-sandusky-a-state-secret/article_863d3c82-5e6f-11e0-9ae5-001a4bcf6878.html

 

This is a massive cover up.  I have a feeling this is only going to get worse.

 

And for those of you wondering about how McQueary remains on the staff (although he won't be there this weekend)...he remains on the staff b/c the DA needs him to be a cooperative witness. Remember what the "S" stands for in PSU - the DA can easily negotiate employment - and any lawyer worth his salt will have that upfront for his client before agreeing to a grand jury testimony. Why do you think he hasn't spoken out yet now? Plus, PSU doesn't want him out there blabbing about what he saw and what he was told to do. Keeping him on the payroll is the easiest way to do it.

yah, i meant penn state.

I get the impression that the culture of State College, PA is so insular and so intertwined with the University and isolated from the rest of the world that it's very easy to keep things hidden and "in house."  Not to mention the god-like status that Paterno had.  While the story itself is incredibly sad on a number of levels, the sociological aspects of how this could happen like this and for so long (and how the community could react like they did) is fascinating and would make for a heck of a study.

Its sick.  I feel for those victims.  Sandusky was a serial predator.  They are often found in sports leagues.

 

I still cannot believe not one person dialed 911 or why that guy watched a kid being raped and called his dad, who also did nothing.

 

 

 

 

I saw on ESPN that McQueary has been put on administrative leave. I was on a conference call and saw only the crawl at the bottom of the TV. I wasn't able to hear any details.

 

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/bigten/story/2011-11-11/penn-state-child-abuse-scandal/51167796/1

 

McQueary, who reported the alleged abuse to Paterno but not the police, was going to coach in Saturday's game until officials changed their minds because they were worried about his safety.

 

The university issued a statement Thursday that said "due to multiple threats" made against McQueary it would be "in the best interest of all" for him not to attend the game.

 

Officials expect a groundswell of people at the game who support Paterno, including many who are angry at the way officials handled the scandal.

There are reports now that Sandusky has been pumping out some of the kids to alums for a number of years.

 

 

There are reports now that Sandusky has been pumping out some of the kids to alums for a number of years.

 

 

 

And there is a Cleveland connection.  Sandusky's son works for the Browns!  Throw the kid out of the state!

Sherwin Williams has pulled ads/sponsorship and branding associated with Penn State.

Sherwin Williams has pulled ads/sponsorship and branding associated with Penn State.

 

Cars.com has also pulled sponsorship from tomorrow's PSU/NU game.  It's amazing to me how the disgusting actions of one man could start such a domino effect like this.  Just wow...

Cars.com has also pulled sponsorship from tomorrow's PSU/NU game.  It's amazing to me how the disgusting actions of one man could start such a domino effect like this.  Just wow...

 

The disgusting actions of one man, but the irresponsible actions of many.

A few kids swapping personal property for tattoos pales next to this, doesn't it?

 

But that won't be the way it's seen.  It will all be seen as part of a trend, which minimizes the severity of the PSU situation.

Somehow, I never learned about the SMU death penalty or the University of Miami's '80-'90s general shenanigans until a couple of years ago. It seems they try to make the old stuff disappear after a while.

A few kids swapping personal property for tattoos pales next to this, doesn't it?

 

But that won't be the way it's seen.  It will all be seen as part of a trend, which minimizes the severity of the PSU situation.

 

I disagree. The way that the Penn State scandal continues to permeate the national media shows just how serious it is being taken. The OSU scandal was limited primarily to sports media (outside of Ohio) once the initial shock wore off.

 

What happened at OSU cannot be compared to the events that unfolded at Penn State, which last well over a decade. I think most people realize that, which is why the OSU situation has not really been brought up in conjunction with the Penn State incident.  For someone to attempt to place the two scandals into the same category is ludicrous and disrespectful to the victims.

 

A few kids swapping personal property for tattoos pales next to this, doesn't it?

 

But that won't be the way it's seen.  It will all be seen as part of a trend, which minimizes the severity of the PSU situation.

 

I disagree. The way that the Penn State scandal continues to permeate the national media shows just how serious it is being taken. The OSU scandal was limited primarily to sports media (outside of Ohio) once the initial shock wore off.

 

What happened at OSU cannot be compared to the events that unfolded at Penn State, which last well over a decade. I think most people realize that, which is why the OSU situation has not really been brought up in conjunction with the Penn State incident.  For someone to attempt to place the two scandals into the same category is ludicrous and disrespectful to the victims.

 

 

I agree about 1000% with the second paragraph, but I suspect it won't be treated that way by the media.

^I think it is being treated as such by the media. As I'm typing now, I'm hearing on TV about heightened security at Beaver Stadium and a potential bomb threat.

CNN covered the post Paterno firing live (While ESPN "interviewed" their usual array of talking heads over the phone).  It's a whole new ballgame. 

 

I'm not even sure how the NCAA gets involved here.  No punishment would be severe enough.  Even say they vacated all wins for the last 15 years, put in place a decade long bowl ban, and reduced their scholarships to zero and fined the university $10m; would that really be enough?  Also, does anything that happened so far fall under NCAA regulations?  Everything up to this point (Miami, USC, OSU, Oklahoma, SMU, Miami again) somehow related directly to college football players.  So far, the players haven't been connected to this. It would be akin to the NCAA punishing a school because a coach killed his whole family and took his own life in the resulting police standoff.  However, it's absolutely probable that when the NCAA does investigate that there are other skeletons in the closet from the Paterno: The Geriatric Years era.  Forget failure to monitor, more like incapable.

I would hope only the football program suffers, not all the other sports. Uncharted territory now.

I would hope only the football program suffers, not all the other sports. Uncharted territory now.

 

I would also hope that if the NCAA drops the hammer on Penn State football that every current and future player has the chance to transfer out and play right away at their new school of choice.

I would hope only the football program suffers, not all the other sports. Uncharted territory now.

 

"The program" per se wasn't responsible.  Individuals were.  No competitive advantage whatsoever was achieved.

The football program is likely what brings in an astronomically disproportionate amount of money from alums, merchandising, ancillary stuff (game day influxes of restaurants, hotels, coffee shops, shopping, not to mention intangibles). If it suffers or no longer exists, then the other programs will as well.

 

The Big Ten announced that this year's inaugural championship trophy will not be known as the (Amos Alonzo) Stagg/(Joe) Paterno Trophy.  Now its just the Stagg Trophy.  Recap from SBNation below:

 

Joe Paterno's Name Removed From Big Ten Championship Trophy

 

Jerry Sandusky was interviewed by NBC's Bob Costas last night.  Here's a recap of it at SBNation and a link to the full interview:

 

Penn State Scandal: Jerry Sandusky Denies Charges, Admits To 'Horseplay' In Showers

 

VIDEO: Jerry Sandusky's Interview With Bob Costas

 

He's a predator!  This is a PR ploy to show he does not believe what he did  is wrong, so he can receive sympathy.

 

The school, regional officials/civil servants and others who heard "whispers, yet did nothing more than turn a blind eye and are now equally guilty.

 

I know it probably got ratings, but I don't know why Costas would give this guy the time of day. He's an animal. Show me a picture of him in his cage, otherwise, I don't want to hear from him.

I'm not sure why anyone believes that NBC or Costas did Jerry Sandusky any favors with this interview.  Bob Costas did what any good interviewer would do during the course of the interview.  He asked simple, non-leading questions to draw out responses from Mr. Sandusky.  Some of those responses led to more probing questions.  And when the ground was prepared, he asked the zinger question near the end of the interview: "Are you sexually attracted to young boys?"  Sandusky's answer really buried himself.

 

Jon Stewart and The Daily Show pretty much skewered Sandusky's "defense" against these horrific charges.  And their analysis hits the key points of the Costas interview in the link below:

 

THE DAILY SHOW: Jerry Sandusky Phone Interview - NBC News' Bob Costas asks Jerry Sandusky about the sexual abuse charges leveled against him, on "Rock Center with Brian Williams."

 

If I were Sandusky's attorney, I would never allowed him be interviewed.  I wondered where his attorney was - until I saw that he was sitting with Bob Costas in the studio!  But apparently Sandusky's attorney has his own "issues".  According to news reports, Sandusky's attorney once impregnated a teenager who gave birth before she turned 18 - when he was 49 years old!  Yeesh!!!

 

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Additionally, there might be more to assistant coach Mike McQueary's handling of the 2002 incident on the Penn State campus.  In an e-mail to friends, he claimed he did stop Sandusky from continuing an alleged rape of a boy in 2002 - and that he did notify the campus police.  Although, it should be noted that this was not mentioned in the grand jury transcripts.  Below is a report on that from CNN:

 

Assistant coach went to police, helped stop assault, e-mail says

By the CNN Wire Staff

updated 9:33 AM EST, Wed November 16, 2011

 

State College, Pennsylvania (CNN) -- A Penn State assistant football coach, who has been criticized for not doing more in an alleged rape of a boy by former coach Jerry Sandusky, said in an e-mail that he helped stop the assault and talked with police about it, The Morning Call newspaper reported.

 

"I did stop it, not physically, but made sure it was stopped when I left that locker room," assistant coach Mike McQueary wrote in the November 8 e-mail to a former classmate obtained by the Allentown, Pennsylvania, newspaper.  "No one can imagine my thoughts or wants to be in my shoes for those 30-45 seconds," McQueary said. "Trust me."

 

McQueary also wrote that he "did have discussions with police and with the official at the university in charge of police" following the alleged incident involving Sandusky.  The information is the first to indicate he had discussions with police.

 

MORE: http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/16/us/pennsylvania-sandusky-case/index.html

 

Yep, Jeffrey Toobin of CNN is saying that he incriminated himself with that interview as it's admissible in court.  Very bad idea on the part of Sandusky to talk to Costas.  That is exactly why attorneys usually tell their clients to avoid such interviews!

 

Also, did anyone else see where Sandusky's attorney impregnated a 16-year-old who's now his wife before they got married?  Doing the math I figured that the attorney would have been roughly 48 years old when it happened. 

I'm not sure why anyone believes that NBC or Costas did Jerry Sandusky any favors with this interview.  Bob Costas did what any good interviewer would do during the course of the interview.  He asked simple, non-leading questions to draw out responses from Mr. Sandusky.  Some of those responses led to more probing questions.  And when the ground was prepared, he asked the zinger question near the end of the interview: "Are you sexually attracted to young boys?"  Sandusky's answer really buried himself.

 

Jon Stewart and The Daily Show pretty much skewered Sandusky's "defense" against these horrific charges.  And their analysis hits the key points of the Costas interview in the link below:

 

THE DAILY SHOW: Jerry Sandusky Phone Interview - NBC News' Bob Costas asks Jerry Sandusky about the sexual abuse charges leveled against him, on "Rock Center with Brian Williams."

 

If I were Sandusky's attorney, I would never allowed him be interviewed.  I wondered where his attorney was - until I saw that he was sitting with Bob Costas in the studio!  But apparently Sandusky's attorney has his own "issues".  According to news reports, Sandusky's attorney once impregnated a teenager who gave birth before she turned 18 - when he was 49 years old!  Yeesh!!!

 

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Additionally, there might be more to assistant coach Mike McQueary's handling of the 2002 incident on the Penn State campus.  In an e-mail to friends, he claimed he did stop Sandusky from continuing an alleged rape of a boy in 2002 - and that he did notify the campus police.  Although, it should be noted that this was not mentioned in the grand jury transcripts.  Below is a report on that from CNN:

 

Assistant coach went to police, helped stop assault, e-mail says

By the CNN Wire Staff

updated 9:33 AM EST, Wed November 16, 2011

 

State College, Pennsylvania (CNN) -- A Penn State assistant football coach, who has been criticized for not doing more in an alleged rape of a boy by former coach Jerry Sandusky, said in an e-mail that he helped stop the assault and talked with police about it, The Morning Call newspaper reported.

 

"I did stop it, not physically, but made sure it was stopped when I left that locker room," assistant coach Mike McQueary wrote in the November 8 e-mail to a former classmate obtained by the Allentown, Pennsylvania, newspaper.  "No one can imagine my thoughts or wants to be in my shoes for those 30-45 seconds," McQueary said. "Trust me."

 

McQueary also wrote that he "did have discussions with police and with the official at the university in charge of police" following the alleged incident involving Sandusky.  The information is the first to indicate he had discussions with police.

 

MORE: http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/16/us/pennsylvania-sandusky-case/index.html

 

 

BS.  The only way to stop it was to jump on Sandusky and remove the child from harm.  PERIOD!

 

He stopped nothing!  NOTHING!  If he did, why did Sandusky continue to pray on these children???

 

I also, place blame with wife, she had to know something was going on.

BS.  The only way to stop it was to jump on Sandusky and remove the child from harm.  PERIOD!

 

Ummm.....without being too graphic, wouldn't that have been quite dangerous to the boy?  In an extra sense that is?

BS.  The only way to stop it was to jump on Sandusky and remove the child from harm.  PERIOD!

 

Ummm.....without being too graphic, wouldn't that have been quite dangerous to the boy?  In an extra sense that is?

 

HELL NO.  How do you - an adult - walk out after you've witnessed a child being raped?!

I will just say this, and it's not to defend McQueary's actions after the witnessing this horrific act, but I'm not sure anyone knows exactly how they'd react were they were actually in such a situation.  It's really an unimaginable situation.

Yep, Jeffrey Toobin of CNN is saying that he incriminated himself with that interview as it's admissible in court.  Very bad idea on the part of Sandusky to talk to Costas.  That is exactly why attorneys usually tell their clients to avoid such interviews!

 

Not that it isn't generally good advice but when this is all said and done it's not going to be the interview that puts him behind bars.

I will just say this, and it's not to defend McQueary's actions after the witnessing this horrific act, but I'm not sure anyone knows exactly how they'd react were they were actually in such a situation.  It's really an unimaginable situation.

I have 5 nephews/neices, a young cousin, a God child (well two) and if I say anyones child being violated in any way I would be on top of the person so damn fast.

 

Many times I've said something to parents who, I feel, are inappropriately disciplining their children, in the moment.  Same goes for a man who punched a woman and I intervened.

 

That child was helpless and being mentally and physically abused, and that p--k b---h just left.  I have no respect for him.

You don't really have to censor the word "punk", MTS.

i dk about pennsylvania, but in nys if you work around children in any function you are a mandated reporter and if you fail to report abuse immediately the first thing that happens is you lose your job. the grad assistant coach mcquery was and is on very thin ice. the penn st trustees didnt go far enough cleaning house.

 

they showed the osu commercial on espn -- i wonder how respectful the osu fans will be about this...?

 

I haven't paid close attention to this story in the last couple days but I thought I heard that McQueary actually did do something to stop/interrupt the encounter he came upon besides reporting it up the chain?