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Cincinnati: Mayor John Cranley

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^^^This is exactly why I'm not leaving.  Cincinnati and Ohio are worth fighting for.

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  • taestell
    taestell

    It was also revealed recently that the 56% of the city's streets are in fair, poor, or worse condition. There was only a 1 percentage point improvement in road quality from 2016 to 2017. So Cranley's

  • ryanlammi
    ryanlammi

    He spent 6+ months to say the finalists are his acting city manager and his assistant city manager? Wow. EDIT: And if they aren't approved, they are still in that position.

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Interesting that the new city manager doesn't even want to live in the city...

"Carden, however, doesn’t live in the city he will be running – nor does he plan to move from his home in Colerain Township.

'The city is a regional city,' he said. 'This is a personal matter with my wife. If that’s an issue, I leave that to the policymakers.'"

 

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20131127/NEWS/311270116

Legally, it doesn't matter though. The City Manager isn't required to be a resident of the city.

It seems to me a recall election should be possible per Ohio Revised Code 705.92. INAL, but The Cincinnati City Charter has no provisions for recall, which means state law would apply. A year has to pass before the recall can occur, but I think the option should definitely be on the table should the streetcar (amongst other things) sit in ruins in a years’ time.

 

Even if unsuccessful, the recall should hamper Cranley’s future career and keep the world safe from him.

 

Any recall that campaign that doesn't include: (1) a credible alternative candidate that gets the voters who didn't show up in 2013 to come to the polls; and (2) occur in a year where larger turnout is typical (e.g. 2014, 2016) is simply an exercise in futility.

 

If a recall campaign is planned, it must be planned very carefully.  Now that we've got the stupid 4 year terms, I'd suggest switching the time frame of the City elections to correspond with the Presidential elections.  If you want to avoid future Cranleys who opportunistically base their support on the Republican/Tea Party diehards who always vote (the rousing 16% of eligible voters) you need to change the election schedule.

Run Simpson or Young.

Or run PG. I would much rather have him as mayor. He would win too.

Any recall that campaign that doesn't include: (1) a credible alternative candidate that gets the voters who didn't show up in 2013 to come to the polls; and (2) occur in a year where larger turnout is typical (e.g. 2014, 2016) is simply an exercise in futility.

 

If a recall campaign is planned, it must be planned very carefully.  Now that we've got the stupid 4 year terms, I'd suggest switching the time frame of the City elections to correspond with the Presidential elections.  If you want to avoid future Cranleys who opportunistically base their support on the Republican/Tea Party diehards who always vote (the rousing 16% of eligible voters) you need to change the election schedule.

 

Well said.  Yvette Simpson would make a great mayor. As would PG. 

I prefer Simpson to anyone else. She is an amazing person, intelligent, progressive, etc.

 

I agree we would miss her as a council member, though, which I think Ryan was getting at.

What I was getting at was that I would much rather have PG as mayor than Cranley, though it can work both ways. I don't think he would be a bad mayor. I do think council is more important than the mayor's office since they actually make the decisions and budgets. So maybe I would rather have PG as mayor than Simpson. Simpson is my favorite councilmember though and I would vote for her in a head to head vs. PG.

If you read the ORC, you don’t have to actually identify a candidate until after the recall vote is successful. The city council would then set a future date for an election, between 30-40 days from that point. You have the next 20 days to gather signatures and put names on the ballot, and anyone can do that so you’d probably have Jim Berns and Noble rounding up signatures as well. It seems like you could get a candidate on board behind closed doors, and then only announce upon the recall being successful. You’d be in a pinch for signatures in 20 days but I’d imagine the momentum would be palpable at that point.

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How about MR. Cincinnati??

So assuming he succeeds in canceling the streetcar where does he go from there? He's financially putting himself and the city into a situation where he won't really be able to do any of the things he wants to. Is he this delusional or is there some grand master plan that he has in his mind? Any conspiracy theories out there? Using the financial woes post cancellations to get favorable union and pension deals? I'm really just throwing things out there and likely am just trying to make sense of an illogical person.

How much could he get selling Mt Airy Forest to store fracking waste?

An old high school chum who moved to Basel said he had heard of our new "moron mayor" over there...

WOW they did it! Actually voted to suspend the streetcar. That is a simple step to STOP IT! Cincinnati, you have voted yourself back into the dark ages. Be proud of yourselves to have the distinction of the only city in the US to have stopped two mass transit projects mid-stream - the subway and the streetcar. Aren't you proud of yourselves?

Get the recall going

Get some of the people who stepped up with funding for the streetcar to fund an investigation of Cranley, fund a ballot initiative AND a recall. Run Cranley out of town on a rail...a LIGHT rail!  :x

 

Mann and Flynn need to go, too. Murray is also vulnerable, since she got in by only 900 votes.

 

I don't think recalling Smitherman or Winburn would be very fruitful. They have a constituency, and everyone knew what they were getting with them.

Flynn was quite obviously paid off.  He has six-figure campaign debt. 

Flynn was quite obviously paid off.  He has six-figure campaign debt. 

Was he paid off in cash, or a future job at kmk?

Wonder how Much the litigation fees are going to be and who is going to make the money

Wonder how Much the litigation fees are going to be and who is going to make the money

 

CAF will probably make a ton.

 

 

The first lawsuit will probably rhyme with Toast

Flynn was quite obviously paid off.  He has six-figure campaign debt. 

Was he paid off in cash, or a future job at kmk?

 

...and now Cranley's got him in his pocket for the next 4-8 years.  Flynn wanted to be on council so bad that he sold his soul. 

Flynn was quite obviously paid off.  He has six-figure campaign debt. 

Was he paid off in cash, or a future job at kmk?

 

...and now Cranley's got him in his pocket for the next 4-8 years.  Flynn wanted to be on council so bad that he sold his soul. 

 

I would not want to sell my soul to Cranley and go through life known as the Mayor's....

This might sound like a doofus question, but does Cincinnati have term limits for mayors then? I haven't seen on this site why Mallory didn't run again so I am assuming term limits. We don't have them up here for mayor or else Sensenbrenner and Coleman wouldn't have been able to make careers out of it.

^2 consecutive 4 year terms. Theoretically, he could run again in 2017, but he should be trying for a higher office instead. He was a great mayor.

Yes, two 4-year terms.

This might sound like a doofus question, but does Cincinnati have term limits for mayors then? I haven't seen on this site why Mallory didn't run again so I am assuming term limits. We don't have them up here for mayor or else Sensenbrenner and Coleman wouldn't have been able to make careers out of it.

 

You can imagine then what it felt like for a Cincinnatian to live in Columbus in 2000, move back in 2012, and the same guy is still mayor. It was VERY confusing lol.

And btw, to everyone on the Qualls campaign, here is how you beat John Cranley, TWICE:

 

The Qualls ad was great, but there was only one of them.  There needed to be two or three of them playing over and over again. 

^^

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Looks like we aren't the only ones who have watched some Damon Zex.

There is a lot of discussion about recalling Cranley. Is this even possible? I know the city charter does not contain a recall option for mayor or council. The state does, but since we are a charter city, I don't believe that applies. Does anyone really KNOW? I've heard conflicting facts. I know this was discussed earlier, but I don't believe the issue was settled.

^City charters trump state law in matters of local self-governance in the event of a conflict between the two.  If the charter is silent on an issue, then state law applies.

 

Taking an extremely quick look at the charter, it does contain language contemplating that the general laws of the state shall apply to elections, unless otherwise provided..... and it does speak to the contingency that the mayor might be removed mid-term.  It seems like state law would apply, specically RC 705.92...... but the application of Ch. 705 can be a bit tricky depending on the city's plan of government (I think Cincy uses the city manager plan, no?) 

Yes, Cincy uses the city manager system.

 

Thing is, the charter can be amended. If it were found that state law doesn't apply, that just potentially adds a step. And it seems to me it would be possible to do in one fell swoop, by enacting a charter amendment which sets up a mechanism for recall and immediately triggers that mechanism at once, upon passage of the amendment. IANAL, but I see no reason why that couldn't be done.

Yes, Cincy uses the city manager system.

 

Thing is, the charter can be amended. If it were found that state law doesn't apply, that just potentially adds a step. And it seems to me it would be possible to do in one fell swoop, by enacting a charter amendment which sets up a mechanism for recall and immediately triggers that mechanism at once, upon passage of the amendment. IANAL, but I see no reason why that couldn't be done.

 

Is there a way to get a ruling or professional interpretation, or is this one of those scenarios where no one knows how this would work until a recall is submitted and subsequently challenged?  If the former, we have a whole year to get our ducks in a row before a petition for recall would be permissable.  Though such talk is probably premature until Cranley officially cancels the streetcar and parking lease.

Willie Carden is out. The epic ineptitude continues.

It is going to be unbelievably difficult to attract a top notch City Manager.  Any candidate is going to do a simple google  search and decide he/she wants no part of what is going on in Cincinnati City Government.  I am sure Cranley will find some puppet to install in the position though.

The news report couches the decision in terms of this supposed ethics violation, but Cranley's 5 would have confirmed him anyway.  Given that Carden is widely respected for the job he's done as Parks Director, my guess is he wasn't toeing Cranley's line on the streetcar.  Cranley didn't want to fight his own pick for City Manager, and didn't want the embarrassment of pulling the nomination because Carden wouldn't support cancellation.  So they made it about "family issues" and moved on to the next candidate.

I hate Cranley most of all for ruining this song for me:

 

 

 

Cranley says I've come to hate my body

And all that it requires in this world

Cranley says I'd like to know completely

What others so discreetly talk about

 

(Chorus)

I'm gonna watch the blue birds fly over my shoulder

I'm gonna watch them pass me by

Maybe when I'm older

What do you think I'd see

If I could walk away from me

 

(Verse)

Cranley says I hate the quiet places

That cause the smallest taste of what will be

Cranley says I hate the big decisions

That cause endless revisions in my mind

 

(Chorus)

I'm gonna watch the blue birds fly over my shoulder

I'm gonna watch them pass me by

Maybe when I'm older

What do you think I'd see

If I could walk away from me

I hate Cranley most of all for ruining this song for me:

 

 

 

Cranley says I've come to hate my body

And all that it requires in this world

Cranley says I'd like to know completely

What others so discreetly talk about

 

(Chorus)

I'm gonna watch the blue birds fly over my shoulder

I'm gonna watch them pass me by

Maybe when I'm older

What do you think I'd see

If I could walk away from me

 

(Verse)

Cranley says I hate the quiet places

That cause the smallest taste of what will be

Cranley says I hate the big decisions

That cause endless revisions in my mind

 

(Chorus)

I'm gonna watch the blue birds fly over my shoulder

I'm gonna watch them pass me by

Maybe when I'm older

What do you think I'd see

If I could walk away from me

 

Is there really anyone out there who wants to stay behind this train wreck? Anyone who  is behind cancellation of the streetcar, you are anti-growth for Cincinnati from any direction you want to measure it.

 

 

I hate Cranley most of all for ruining this song for me:

 

 

 

Is Lou Reed singing about the same Candy in this later, much more famous song?  Instead of "Candy came from out on the Island" you could substitute "Cranley's infamy came out of COAST."  And he'll doubtlessly be a "darling" in some other kinds of back rooms. 

 

 

 

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Council members: Mayor's first week was divisive

Yvette Simpson, Chris Seelbach and Wendell Young were re-elected in November to Cincinnati City Council.

 

Cincinnati’s progress and momentum are undeniable. As elected leaders, we want to be part of continuing our success, to ensure we continue to grow, create good-paying jobs and foster a welcoming, inclusive environment.

 

That’s why we are very disappointed in Mayor Cranley’s first week in office, causing us great concern about the direction of the city for the next four years under his leadership.

 

On Nov. 27, The Cincinnati Enquirer said it was concerned Mayor Cranley was not reigning in his “dictatorial tendencies” in order to be “diplomatic, respectful and collaborative.” We agree.

 

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"It's just fate, as usual, keeping its bargain and screwing us in the fine print..." - John Crichton

It seems to me that, if it is legal, it would be best to put a ballot measure on that isn't about recall, but rather switches the election cycle so that it occurs on the same year as the presidential.  That way, you could potentially get Cranley out one year earlier, but mostly you get more progressive voters at the polls.  A lot of people will vote against recall simply because they don't like the idea of recall.

If there was ever a candidate for a recall, John Cranley would be it.

 

Attempting to Flush $100mil down the drain, open up the city for lawsuits, damage the relationship with feds, Encourage the layoffs of 200 workers, Ram ordinances into law with appropriations to avoid referendums, & try to silence council members...All week 1

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