1 minute ago, mrclifton88 said:

So is Brooks Brothers the last major national retailer left?  I wish it wasn't so 'hidden' inside because its such a cool space.  They need signage outside...

If you don't know it's there already, you probably can't afford it. 

3 minutes ago, mrclifton88 said:

So is Brooks Brothers the last major national retailer left?  I wish it wasn't so 'hidden' inside because its such a cool space.  They need signage outside...

 

No, there's also:

 

Champs, Bath & Body Works, Game Stop, Foot Locker, GNC, Claire's, and maybe a couple more?

Edited March 12, 20196 yr by TPH2

Shoe Depot, Spencer's, Key Bank, and at least one other clothing store I can't recall on the 2nd level by the Greek Gyro spot.

4 minutes ago, Oldmanladyluck said:

Shoe Depot, Spencer's, Key Bank, and at least one other clothing store I can't recall on the 2nd level by the Greek Gyro spot.

hmm...Villa?

5 minutes ago, Oldmanladyluck said:

Shoe Depot, Spencer's, Key Bank, and at least one other clothing store I can't recall on the 2nd level by the Greek Gyro spot.

Spencers isn't there, T-mobile is also there as well. 

^The Spencers next to the Dollar Store closed?  Its another shoe store.  I haven't paid attention recently- it wouldn't surprise me though.

https://www.towercitycenter.com/directory/

8 minutes ago, Oldmanladyluck said:

^The Spencers next to the Dollar Store closed?  Its another shoe store.  I haven't paid attention recently- it wouldn't surprise me though.

That's Underground by Journey's.

Ahhhh... my bad.  

3 minutes ago, MyPhoneDead said:

That's Underground by Journey's.

 

I don't think Bedrock was being punitive to Victoria's Secret. Bedrock doesn't seem to want to keep ANY Tower City tenants, including the Cleveland International Film Festival. From what I hear, tenants are not being given the opportunity to renew their leases when they expire. 

6 hours ago, fishface said:

Victoria's Secret in the Avenue at Tower City has closed.  People heading in for the upcoming CIFF will be treated to a vastly emptier mall than last year.

No leases are being renewed upon expiration. Or offered to be.

2 minutes ago, Terdolph said:

Why can't they move these stores to the empty storefronts in the Midland bldg.?

 

Why do so many people care about these stores? I lived right downtown (west bank) for 5 years and barely ever even set foot in tower city to get to RTA let alone shop....? I dont get the outrage.

15 minutes ago, Terdolph said:

Why can't they move these stores to the empty storefronts in the Midland bldg.?

My guess is not enough foot traffic.  Or at least the kind of foot traffic retailers want.

 

Personally, I'd love to see some of those stores on Euclid, perhaps if someone ever develops the Hippodrome lot.

2 hours ago, PKorf said:

 

Why do so many people care about these stores? I lived right downtown (west bank) for 5 years and barely ever even set foot in tower city to get to RTA let alone shop....? I dont get the outrage.

 

Welcome, but...THAT was your first post?  I would think a first post is a good chance to start off on the right foot, but maybe not.  Lol.

7 hours ago, Oldmanladyluck said:

^The Spencers next to the Dollar Store closed?  Its another shoe store.  I haven't paid attention recently- it wouldn't surprise me though.

 

Journeys

1 minute ago, jeremyck01 said:

 

Welcome, but...THAT was your first post?  I would think a first post is a good chance to start off on the right foot, but maybe not.  Lol.

 

I thought the same thing. Must be a relative of EVD. ?

Saw this in today's PD and thought of Marty?

Edited March 13, 20196 yr by CleCaneFan
Typo

Sorry to be speculative or vauge, but the "blockland" idea said there was an eduction componant to it.

 

Has anyone seen anything that someone like CCC, or Cleveland State might be looking for additional space?

 

I’m not sure what this necessarily means, but Bernie Moreno has sold off all of his car dealerships to focus on his tech plans.

4 minutes ago, Enginerd said:

I’m not sure what this necessarily means, but Bernie Moreno has sold off all of his car dealerships to focus on his tech plans.

Say what?

Bernie is the one spearheading the whole Blockland thing.

 

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/23/664364583/from-believeland-to-blockland-cleveland-aims-to-be-a-tech-hub

16 minutes ago, Enginerd said:

Bernie is the one spearheading the whole Blockland thing.

 

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/23/664364583/from-believeland-to-blockland-cleveland-aims-to-be-a-tech-hub

Correct, but selling all his dealerships? That's been mentioned nowhere unless you were talking tongue-in-cheek?

12 minutes ago, CleCaneFan said:

Correct, but selling all his dealerships? That's been mentioned nowhere unless you were talking tongue-in-cheek?

Oh, sorry lol I wasn’t sure what you were getting at. 

 

One of my immediate family members works at one of the dealerships. He sold it to a gentleman from Canada, with the deal closing the end of this month.

Edited March 13, 20196 yr by Enginerd

Is this the correct thread for the apartment developments? I haven't see this posted, but I just saw the rents and they're really low for how nice they are + amentities.

Apartments.Com Terminal Tower

 

Edited March 13, 20196 yr by imjustinjk

16 hours ago, stpats44113 said:

 

Journeys

 

Edited March 13, 20196 yr by PKorf

16 hours ago, jeremyck01 said:

 

Welcome, but...THAT was your first post?  I would think a first post is a good chance to start off on the right foot, but maybe not.  Lol.

Hi !

 

Not sure why thats a bad first post. Seemed pretty on topic and relevant to me. Then again I actually lived downtown and worked downtown for more than 5 minutes. Yes i have an opinion that maybe some disagree with but until you have the residential capacity to operate this kind of retail then why have it take up such an important space for business development?

 

If some of that retail wants to move out of the cellar and into the street level im sure it will but its not like they were servicing a huge amount of customers willing to come down ot TC and spend some hard earned cash. So, why would anyone care if the retail left towercity? Time to get on board and move with the times. Theres a lot of old school foggies out there that think tower city should remain a mall and in all reality it never should have been made into a mall. Look at the Galleria....Noone is raising hell because of the lack of retail in there. Yet theyve started repurposing the space. Good bad or indifferent, at least its getting re-purposed for something useful. When someone gets off a train and enters into tower city, it looks a lot worse having it the way it is now than it would having it be a business hub with a few small retail options. (this is my 2nd post) hope you enjoyed it more than my first lol

7 hours ago, PKorf said:

Hi !

 

Not sure why thats a bad first post. Seemed pretty on topic and relevant to me. Then again I actually lived downtown and worked downtown for more than 5 minutes. Yes i have an opinion that maybe some disagree with but until you have the residential capacity to operate this kind of retail then why have it take up such an important space for business development?

 

If some of that retail wants to move out of the cellar and into the street level im sure it will but its not like they were servicing a huge amount of customers willing to come down ot TC and spend some hard earned cash. So, why would anyone care if the retail left towercity? Time to get on board and move with the times. Theres a lot of old school foggies out there that think tower city should remain a mall and in all reality it never should have been made into a mall. Look at the Galleria....Noone is raising hell because of the lack of retail in there. Yet theyve started repurposing the space. Good bad or indifferent, at least its getting re-purposed for something useful. When someone gets off a train and enters into tower city, it looks a lot worse having it the way it is now than it would having it be a business hub with a few small retail options. (this is my 2nd post) hope you enjoyed it more than my first lol

 

I agree with you on the Galleria. That’s a terrible place to have retail. They opened it smack in the middle of the business district. Tower City should have done better. Your first post was on topic. We’re just giving you a hard time ?

7 hours ago, PKorf said:

Hi !

 

Not sure why thats a bad first post. Seemed pretty on topic and relevant to me. Then again I actually lived downtown and worked downtown for more than 5 minutes. Yes i have an opinion that maybe some disagree with but until you have the residential capacity to operate this kind of retail then why have it take up such an important space for business development?

 

If some of that retail wants to move out of the cellar and into the street level im sure it will but its not like they were servicing a huge amount of customers willing to come down ot TC and spend some hard earned cash. So, why would anyone care if the retail left towercity? Time to get on board and move with the times. Theres a lot of old school foggies out there that think tower city should remain a mall and in all reality it never should have been made into a mall. Look at the Galleria....Noone is raising hell because of the lack of retail in there. Yet theyve started repurposing the space. Good bad or indifferent, at least its getting re-purposed for something useful. When someone gets off a train and enters into tower city, it looks a lot worse having it the way it is now than it would having it be a business hub with a few small retail options. (this is my 2nd post) hope you enjoyed it more than my first lol

 

You make some good points.  I think downtown retail still plays a critical role in making a city function.  I suppose none of it needs to be in this structure, although it's no coincidence that so much of it was located near the rail hub long before it was converted into a mall.  Of course it's been years since Tower City had much retail to offer.  So when you lived downtown, where did you shop?  Amazon?  Steelyard Commons?  The suburbs?

I just want to add that when Tower City Mall opened it was glorious. 

And Cleveland does have a significant tourist trade with a lot of hotel guests who at least had a shopping option right on public square. I know it wasn't exactly a bustling place, but at one time,  it was a convenient destination with a wide variety of retail and a pretty nice atmosphere. 

4 hours ago, surfohio said:

I just want to add that when Tower City Mall opened it was glorious. 

 

Agreed.  Mickey Mouse showed up in a stretch limo.  I think it even had the boomerang antenna.

12 hours ago, 327 said:

 

You make some good points.  I think downtown retail still plays a critical role in making a city function.  I suppose none of it needs to be in this structure, although it's no coincidence that so much of it was located near the rail hub long before it was converted into a mall.  Of course it's been years since Tower City had much retail to offer.  So when you lived downtown, where did you shop?  Amazon?  Steelyard Commons?  The suburbs?

 

Groceries were almost always bought in Lakewood....5-10 minute drive. Occasionally I went to Steelyard Target. Obviously Amazon is huge so yes some of it was done @ Amazon. We moved out right before the RNC convention and thus the new Heinens downtown. If I lived down there still I would be doing all or most of my grocery shopping there. In regards to general shopping, we did most of that on the westside as thats where we are from. Westlake, Crocker Park was a primary place. I guess i look at it a bit differently. We dont live in a city like Chicago where theres 10million people and thus make it quite difficult to park, maneuver, go shopping etc. We actually enjoyed being able to get out of the city to do this and get there in less than 15-20 minutes at most. Thats the beauty of Cleveland downtown living. You dont need to worry about having that retail down there because its so easily accessible nearby. 

10 hours ago, CleveFan said:

And Cleveland does have a significant tourist trade with a lot of hotel guests who at least had a shopping option right on public square. I know it wasn't exactly a bustling place, but at one time,  it was a convenient destination with a wide variety of retail and a pretty nice atmosphere. 

 

I couldnt agree more. It was a glorious place to shop and be. But, like anything else.....it was new. It was shiny. It was hip and flashy to go shopping downtown. Those visitors that are coming into downtown cleveland in droves nowadays dont care about going into a mall to find the same stores they have back wherever they came from. They care about experiences, scenery, bars, restaurants, breweries, sports, shows, museums and believe it or not....shopping local. The days of the major chain stores having a huge economic impact on a downtown are over at somepoint. Yes they will still be there and should be accessible for those that live nearby but the visitors couldnt care less. I travel a ton for work and the last thing I am ever looking for is a chain....anything. Please lord god...less chains. lol

I will say I believe it was those who were on cruises said this or another group (memory is alluding me) but they stated how one thing that is missing downtown is the lack of shopping. While retail may not matter as much for people who live in the area (still think it does to a point), it definitely does if we want to make Cleveland a tourist destination.

1 hour ago, cle_guy90 said:

I will say I believe it was those who were on cruises said this or another group (memory is alluding me) but they stated how one thing that is missing downtown is the lack of shopping. While retail may not matter as much for people who live in the area (still think it does to a point), it definitely does if we want to make Cleveland a tourist destination.

 

I hate to keep harping, but TC makes perfect sense for an outlet mall.   Casinos around the country are tied to outlets.   I believe if Gilbert went all in on an outlet mall, that Phase II of the casino could get legs again. 

 

https://www.foxwoods.com/tanger/

 

https://www.outletsatsandsbethlehem.com/-/media/Outlets/Directory/1-19/Full_Property_Map.ashx?la=en&hash=7BC15A17F5CFF4891CFF94DC58500732B25BB88D

1 hour ago, Cleburger said:

 

I hate to keep harping, but TC makes perfect sense for an outlet mall.   Casinos around the country are tied to outlets.   I believe if Gilbert went all in on an outlet mall, that Phase II of the casino could get legs again. 

 

https://www.foxwoods.com/tanger/

 

https://www.outletsatsandsbethlehem.com/-/media/Outlets/Directory/1-19/Full_Property_Map.ashx?la=en&hash=7BC15A17F5CFF4891CFF94DC58500732B25BB88D

 

That's a fair point--it seems like there is some untapped market for outlet shopping in NE Ohio, especially if you don't feel like driving out to Lodi or Aurora.

My thought on Tower City--it's always been a mishmash of target demographics and property types--an upscale Ritz hotel, a mid-tier casino (that's being generous), seedy food court, strip mall stores, and possibly now subsidized apts and a tech hub.  While I have always enjoyed and promoted mixed use projects, the uses should at least blend well together, and at TC they just don't.

There are no “subsidized apartments” in tower city (that is, there are no income-restricted apartments in tower city)

I wouldn't give Forest City any credit for anything good that happened with Tower City after about the year 2005. They completely stopped caring about Cleveland after that.

The Most Important Blockchain Organizations You Should Know About

 

https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/328337

if blockchain (or distributed leger technology) turns out to change the world economy the way some experts believe it will...   using the tower city to make cleveland a player in the technology beats retail easily...

5 hours ago, Terdolph said:

Tower City would have done fine as a mall if it had an anchor department store tenant, like Nordstroms.

 

The fact that it survived at all as a mall without an anchor was a miracle and I would give Forest City credit for that.

 

 

Wouldn't Dillard's count as the anchor dept store when The Avenue at Tower City opened?

Among the many things I have, this edition of the Plain Dealer November 7, 1931 had a fun front page article

 

And so you can read the good part:

 

 

So the Post Office Plaza was constructed to allow for an additional 4 stories if the need arose... well, there could be a future need with all of this new construction happening.

7 hours ago, dave2017 said:

Wouldn't Dillard's count as the anchor dept store when The Avenue at Tower City opened?

 

It was.  And there were a lot more tenants when it was there.

13 hours ago, Terdolph said:

Tower City would have done fine as a mall if it had an anchor department store tenant, like Nordstroms.

 

The fact that it survived at all as a mall without an anchor was a miracle and I would give Forest City credit for that.

 

 

Yea, as mentioned above it had an anchor store until 2001. 

 

And you probably know of the plans for Neiman Marcus as well.

If the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame was built ,on it's proposed  original site , does one think Tower City would be in the state it has become?  Was it true it was relocated due to a record store lease at The Avenue?

4 minutes ago, dave2017 said:

If the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame was built ,on it's proposed  original site , does one think Tower City would be in the state it has become?  Was it true it was relocated due to a record store lease at The Avenue?

 

Yes, because Forest City was an absentee landlord. FCE's HQ was still here, but their employees and money were everywhere else because, as a publicly owned company, Wall Street demanded higher margins from them than Cleveland real estate could deliver.

1 hour ago, dave2017 said:

If the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame was built ,on it's proposed  original site , does one think Tower City would be in the state it has become?  Was it true it was relocated due to a record store lease at The Avenue?

 

The competition from the record store was definitely part of it. They were also concerned about space limitations and the ability to expand in the future if they went to the Tower City site. 

18 hours ago, lockdog said:

if blockchain (or distributed leger technology) turns out to change the world economy the way some experts believe it will...   using the tower city to make cleveland a player in the technology beats retail easily...

But can’t we have both? 

I have every reason to believe there will still be a retail presence in Tower City. City Block says it needs 300,000 sf. The Avenue has 366,000 sf. Having restaurants, coffee shops, maybe a bar and some retailers like the A Dollar store, Brooks Brothers or an athletic apparel shop makes sense given the type of pedestrian traffic that flows through there and will continue.

I would argue that Tower City's anchor tenant was GCRTA, but because of how the mall was designed, most of their foot traffic walked past what, maybe 3-5 stores on their way from Public Square to their trains?