Having the Terminal Tower filled up with residents will (hopefully) have an immediate positive impact for TC (and the businesses in the surrounding areas).  Then those residents will need stores (a mini-Target, restaurants, better food court, etc.)  That will cause more people to be in TC shopping, etc instead of just traveling thru or just hanging out there.

 

So hopefully getting people in the Terminal Tower will be what starts more / better businesses coming into TC.

 

How many apartments do you think are planned?? The last I saw, K&D was planning 293 apartments which should translate to about 500-600 people living there. While that's great to have, it's far fewer bodies per square foot vs. offices. Put up several 30-story apartment buildings on the old CUT coach yard between Huron and Canal roads with 300 apartments each, and convert the May Company as well as the Landmark Office towers to residential if/when Sherwin Williams builds its new HQ -- THEN that will make a difference in the body count to support more shops.

There are threads (or threads that any forumer are welcome to create) where discussions about various cultures’ loitering rituals, retail trends, personal attributes as they pertain to gladiatorial prowess, etc. are perfectly appropriate. This isn’t the place.

Bedrock Detroit CEO @BedrockJim says he's pushing to come up with strategy for long-struggling Avenue at Tower City in downtown #CLE "very soon." https://t.co/9ncA6psVaL #CRE

 

UPDATE:

Also, @BedrockDetroit is hiring a VP of development focused on and based in #CLE. Unidentified exec could start in January: https://t.co/9ncA6psVaL #CRE

Bedrock Detroit CEO @BedrockJim says he's pushing to come up with strategy for long-struggling Avenue at Tower City in downtown #CLE "very soon." https://t.co/9ncA6psVaL #CRE

 

UPDATE:

Also, @BedrockDetroit is hiring a VP of development focused on and based in #CLE. Unidentified exec could start in January: https://t.co/9ncA6psVaL #CRE

 

Not saying it's correct, but the recent articles give the impression that Bedrock bought TC without any idea of what to do with it; that there was no plan in place.

Not saying it's correct, but the recent articles give the impression that Bedrock bought TC without any idea of what to do with it; that there was no plan in place.

 

That's probably true. A comment in the article even said they bought it defensively. And I vaguely remember speculation in a previous article that Bedrock bought the Avenue District just to protect their parking.

I have a really interesting idea for what to do with Tower City center: its originally intended purpose...a train station.

 

There's a new model for passenger rail development that sweeping the land and it ties real estate development with transportation. Each is boosted with traffic and revenues by the other. It's a model that's working in Florida with Brightline and has attracted the Japanese to develop Houston - Dallas high speed rail. While Ohio isn't growing like Florida and Texas, it does have top-10 population and nearby cities with large populations. In fact, the Federal Railroad Administration is wrapping up a Midwest passenger rail plan to identify the strongest markets and those with the greatest economic benefits. The preliminary data shows that a Chicago-Detroit-Toledo-Cleveland-Pittsburgh network would be the strongest route in the Midwest and would justify an investment in rail service operating at at least 125 miles per hour if not much higher. The ridership is estimated at 7.2 million per year and revenues exceeding costs by 157%. For comparison, Amtrak carries 17 million riders per year in the Northeast Corridor. The Federal Railroad Administration, which is doing this study, has $35 billion in low-interest loans available for projects like this as well as for station area development to enhance the passenger traffic on a funded corridor.

 

So how about it Bedrock? Join with Amtrak or Herzog or Keolis and other real estate developers as well as the Ohio Turnpike & Infrastructure Commission to create a consortium to develop this very promising network. For more, including links to FRA plan resources, see:

http://allaboardohio.org/2017/10/17/midwest-rail-plan-is-promising-for-ohio/

 

I don't want to "derail" this thread so we can discuss the rail plan further at:

https://www.urbanohio.com/forum/index.php?topic=1414.0

Not saying it's correct, but the recent articles give the impression that Bedrock bought TC without any idea of what to do with it; that there was no plan in place.

 

That's probably true. A comment in the article even said they bought it defensively. And I vaguely remember speculation in a previous article that Bedrock bought the Avenue District just to protect their parking.

 

Gilbert's desire for parking (RIP TC Ampitheatre) is understandable, but potentially damaging too. Is the city strong enough to confront Gilbert if his proposals turn out to be not so great? We shall see. Still early in the process I suppose. I'd want to give them the benefit of the doubt but there's so many question marks and TC is just so damn important.

I have a really interesting idea for what to do with Tower City center: its originally intended purpose...a train station.

 

There's a new model for passenger rail development that sweeping the land and it ties real estate development with transportation. Each is boosted with traffic and revenues by the other. It's a model that's working in Florida with Brightline and has attracted the Japanese to develop Houston - Dallas high speed rail. While Ohio isn't growing like Florida and Texas, it does have top-10 population and nearby cities with large populations. In fact, the Federal Railroad Administration is wrapping up a Midwest passenger rail plan to identify the strongest markets and those with the greatest economic benefits. The preliminary data shows that a Chicago-Detroit-Toledo-Cleveland-Pittsburgh network would be the strongest route in the Midwest and would justify an investment in rail service operating at at least 125 miles per hour if not much higher. The ridership is estimated at 7.2 million per year and revenues exceeding costs by 157%. For comparison, Amtrak carries 17 million riders per year in the Northeast Corridor. The Federal Railroad Administration, which is doing this study, has $35 billion in low-interest loans available for projects like this as well as for station area development to enhance the passenger traffic on a funded corridor.

 

So how about it Bedrock? Join with Amtrak or Herzog or Keolis and other real estate developers as well as the Ohio Turnpike & Infrastructure Commission to create a consortium to develop this very promising network. For more, including links to FRA plan resources, see:

http://allaboardohio.org/2017/10/17/midwest-rail-plan-is-promising-for-ohio/

 

I don't want to "derail" this thread so we can discuss the rail plan further at:

https://www.urbanohio.com/forum/index.php?topic=1414.0

 

Great idea, KJP[/member]

 

 

The hoops I had to jump through to get  my cousin a train ride from Philadelphia to Cleveland were crazy. In a three week time frame, only ONE did not run from Philadelphia to NY or DC before rerouting to CLE.

 

Going CLE to PIT would directly connect us with Phila and thereby most of the east coast.

KJP[/member] (or others), what's the status of the power plant and rail track that feeds it on Canal Road? 

 

Whatever Tower City becomes, have to think its chance of success increases if it becomes a major link to something, instead of feeling like a dead end at the edge of the world. I don't think we'll ever see Forest City's grandiose original plan for towers on the water, which is fine, but all that riverfront east of the Sherwin Williams facility would be such an awesome site for a long term build out of a mixed use community that integrates the power plant, with plenty of room to grow south and east along Canal and Stones Levee. Eventual connections to the Scranton Peninsula could generate cross traffic, too.

In the absence of the Cuyahoga Valley Scenic Railroad here, the fate of the CSX-owned rail line north of I-490 was dependent on the fate of the power plant. If the power plant has no future, then neither does CSX's rail line without CVSR. There is a small chance that a shortline railroad could acquire it by lease or purchase. But there are no potential rail freight customers north of I-90. EDIT: frankly, I'm surprised CSX hasn't filed with the federal Surface Transportation Board to abandon the segment north of I-490. Perhaps CSX may be in discussions with a suitor (including possibly for a trail).

I have a really interesting idea for what to do with Tower City center: its originally intended purpose...a train station.

 

Union Station in DC, a busy train and Metro station, went through a restoration/renewal project some years ago.  The building, with a lot of new retail, looks great and is an excellent train station. The retail component, however, has become mostly a lot of cheap food and souvenirs, not so different from TC now. Cheap food and kitsch is what the tourist-travelers are looking for and the pedestrian-unfriendly Station has not been successful at drawing other traffic.  I'm not sure that is TC's problem, however, and the growing downtown population probably makes TC a different case.

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Busy commuter train stations probably are best off having retail which serves commuter's needs - that is, fast food, essential goods, grocery, drugstore, maybe a Target. Less destination shopping.

 

That's not to say that Tower City has that kind of transit traffic, I'm just saying in general. They could try to downsize the mall, I guess.

^or at least accept the reality that high end retail will be better suited to storefronts along Euclid... Geigers has the right idea.

I have a really interesting idea for what to do with Tower City center: its originally intended purpose...a train station.

 

Union Station in DC, a busy train and Metro station, went through a restoration/renewal project some years ago.  The building, with a lot of new retail, looks great and is an excellent train station. The retail component, however, has become mostly a lot of cheap food and souvenirs, not so different from TC now. Cheap food and kitsch is what the tourist-travelers are looking for and the pedestrian-unfriendly Station has not been successful at drawing other traffic.  I'm not sure that is TC's problem, however, and the growing downtown population probably makes TC a different case.

 

When's the last time you were in Union Station? https://www.unionstationdc.com/pdfs/directoryMap.pdf

When's the last time you were in Union Station? https://www.unionstationdc.com/pdfs/directoryMap.pdf

 

Monday.

I was just in Union Station this past weekend; hardly a bastion of cheap retail and food stands.  There is no comparison between Union Station and Tower City.

So this is federally funded through the Surface Transportation Program for urbanized areas with over 200k pop.  I hadn't heard this was in the works although I'm sure it's needed. Hopefully this will prepare TC for its up coming projects with the K&D conversion and whatever Gilbert has planned.

 

OH/DOT: Tower City Bridges (Project no: 170425 )

Valuation: $13,990,872 Owner Type: Public Bid Ends: Dec 14, 2017

Location: OH (Cuyahoga)  Report #: 201300586335 v. 33

Description: MPO STP Project to replace the existing bridge expansion joints, remove and repair bridge waterproofing and remove and install new conrete surface course for the Tower City Bridge Complex. The complex consists of the Huron Road bridgeMPO STP Project to replace the existing bridge expansion joints, remove and repair bridge waterproofing and remove and install new conrete surface course for the Tower City Bridge Complex. The complex consists of the Huron Road bridge,<<

Tower City will never be Union Station. Not a good comparison, IMHO.

 

So this is federally funded through the Surface Transportation Program for urbanized areas with over 200k pop.  I hadn't heard this was in the works although I'm sure it's needed. Hopefully this will prepare TC for its up coming projects with the K&D conversion and whatever Gilbert has planned.

 

OH/DOT: Tower City Bridges (Project no: 170425 )

Valuation: $13,990,872 Owner Type: Public Bid Ends: Dec 14, 2017

Location: OH (Cuyahoga)  Report #: 201300586335 v. 33

Description: MPO STP Project to replace the existing bridge expansion joints, remove and repair bridge waterproofing and remove and install new conrete surface course for the Tower City Bridge Complex. The complex consists of the Huron Road bridgeMPO STP Project to replace the existing bridge expansion joints, remove and repair bridge waterproofing and remove and install new conrete surface course for the Tower City Bridge Complex. The complex consists of the Huron Road bridge,<<

 

Cleveland has GOT to do something about all the 14 axle dump trucks traveling Huron from the flats or these repairs will be shot within another 10 years.  If you spend any time around there you'll see literally hundreds traversing it daily (many of these truckers are very aggressive drivers as well....probably trying to maximize their loads they carry per day). 

 

 

^ Not to mention all the new improvements on W25 north of Detroit which are soon going to be torn up, and the beating the Detroit Superior Bridge gets from them. I thought one of the reasons for the E9th Extension down into the Flats was to give those truckers a new route to 77 so they didn't have to drive thru downtown. That should be enforced.

Do you guys think the Tower City mall peaked too soon? I was there yesterday thinking about this. It opened long before the downtown residential boom and hasn't been viewed as a top shopping destination for some time. Imagine if the mall would have opened with the full support of retailers it once had - but in 2014 instead of 1990.

 

Today downtown is hot but TC is not - why? It's a perception thing.

^Doubt it.  Brick and mortar retail was more viable then than now.  And the downtown work force was also bigger then.  Given the current retail environment nationwide I doubt  that TC would even be built today (especially with all the original high end stores) even with the increased downtown residential downtown population.

^Doubt it.  Brick and mortar retail was more viable then than now.  And the downtown work force was also bigger then.  Given the current retail environment nationwide I doubt  that TC would even be built today (especially with all the original high end stores) even with the increased downtown residential downtown population.

 

Yeah, when TC went in, guys right across the street from BP were getting $50,000 year-end bonuses

Do you guys think the Tower City mall peaked too soon? I was there yesterday thinking about this. It opened long before the downtown residential boom and hasn't been viewed as a top shopping destination for some time. Imagine if the mall would have opened with the full support of retailers it once had - but in 2014 instead of 1990.

 

Today downtown is hot but TC is not - why? It's a perception thing.

 

I don't think so, Tower City being leased up as luxury mall was one of the biggest business blunders in Downtown Cleveland.  It didn't meet the needs of Cleveland in 1990 nor in 2018.

 

Now that Danny Gilbert owns the mall and the surrounding buildings, I think the sentiment is "what now?"  The mall is not particularly well located, has a lot of B and C tenants, a dingy food court that was originally intended to be temporary but has become permanent, and not much else going on there.

Plus, there's more retail options in the eastern suburbs. Friends who worked in RTA management back then told me they had decent ridership from people riding the Rapid to shop at Tower City.

I think we tend to over-estimate the retail demand that the current downtown residents generate. Not sure it would really have moved the needle all that much on Tower City's sales. This is especially true given the sky high car ownership rate of non-poor residents, which means they aren't really locked into the local retail options.

Here's something though, I am familiar with Downtown D.C. and Chicago, and noticed how many office workers go shopping during lunch.  The stores that get the most patronage aren't luxury boutiques but big-box stores (e.g. TJ Maxx, Marshall's, Nordstrom Rack) and mid-level stores like Forever 21 and H&M.  In other words, stores that you'll find in any suburban shopping center, but in a walkable setting.

 

Forgetting about the residents Downtown, with all that white collar employment within a relatively compact space, there's got to be some opportunity there.

Here's something though, I am familiar with Downtown D.C. and Chicago, and noticed how many office workers go shopping during lunch.  The stores that get the most patronage aren't luxury boutiques but big-box stores (e.g. TJ Maxx, Marshall's, Nordstrom Rack) and mid-level stores like Forever 21 and H&M.  In other words, stores that you'll find in any suburban shopping center, but in a walkable setting.

 

Forgetting about the residents Downtown, with all that white collar employment within a relatively compact space, there's got to be some opportunity there.

 

I have started doing my grocery shopping at Heinen's during lunch. Just so much more convenient. I actually went into the CVS on 9th the other day to buy nails to hang something in my apartment.

Here's something though, I am familiar with Downtown D.C. and Chicago, and noticed how many office workers go shopping during lunch.  The stores that get the most patronage aren't luxury boutiques but big-box stores (e.g. TJ Maxx, Marshall's, Nordstrom Rack) and mid-level stores like Forever 21 and H&M.  In other words, stores that you'll find in any suburban shopping center, but in a walkable setting.

 

Forgetting about the residents Downtown, with all that white collar employment within a relatively compact space, there's got to be some opportunity there.

 

I needed a belt the other day because mine broke.  I couldn't think of any place to get one downtown.  Something like Marshall's would be nice.

 

I needed a belt the other day because mine broke.  I couldn't think of any place to get one downtown.  Something like Marshall's would be nice.

 

Geiger's, Brooks Brothers, and possibly even A Dollar at Tower City should have something.

A Dollar is more in my budget..lol 

Here's something though, I am familiar with Downtown D.C. and Chicago, and noticed how many office workers go shopping during lunch.  The stores that get the most patronage aren't luxury boutiques but big-box stores (e.g. TJ Maxx, Marshall's, Nordstrom Rack) and mid-level stores like Forever 21 and H&M.  In other words, stores that you'll find in any suburban shopping center, but in a walkable setting.

 

Forgetting about the residents Downtown, with all that white collar employment within a relatively compact space, there's got to be some opportunity there.

 

Very good point. I personally think that’s the direction Tower City should go in. And it’s no accident that those mid level stores and mid level big boxes are the only ones really expanding still at this point. If they filled it with those kinds of stores, I think TC would be successful. And Steelyard wouldn’t be an impediment because TC would be more convenient to the people who work downtown.

The Brooks Brothers seems to do well with the lawyers and bankers around public square. My dad shops there mostly because it's convenient. 

 

A Joseph A. Bank probably could do OK given the number of office workers.

 

I'm not sure a store which doesn't cater to the business crowd would succeed. A lot  of the mid level shops were downtown until 06/07. Gap, Forever 21 and Ambercrombie all closed in TC around that time. The recession was likely a factor but the rise of online shopping would make it a tough sell for those stores to come back. 

Last time I heard any inside scoop was that Gilbert intents to try to steer the mall back in a higher-end direction (whatever mix that might mean), eliminate the food court, and renovate the theater.  After K&D is done with the Halle Building conversion it will focus its attention on Terminal Tower.  By that time I assume we will know what Gilbert has in mind, especially since he now owns several buildings and properties all around this location.

Last time I heard any inside scoop was that Gilbert intents to try to steer the mall back in a higher-end direction (whatever mix that might mean), eliminate the food court, and renovate the theater.  After K&D is done with the Halle Building conversion it will focus its attention on Terminal Tower.  By that time I assume we will know what Gilbert has in mind, especially since he now owns several buildings and properties all around this location.

 

Jos A. Bank would be a fine addition to downtown.  They don't have any downtown locations in Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati, or Detroit.  But they do have a downtown presence in Chicago, Pittsburgh, and D.C.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if a "food hall" were in Tower City's near future.  Since we lost the food courts at Halle and Atrium (?), I can see that happening.

Last time I heard any inside scoop was that Gilbert intents to try to steer the mall back in a higher-end direction (whatever mix that might mean), eliminate the food court, and renovate the theater.  After K&D is done with the Halle Building conversion it will focus its attention on Terminal Tower.  By that time I assume we will know what Gilbert has in mind, especially since he now owns several buildings and properties all around this location.

 

Wouldn't be surprised if he tears out the movie aspects of the theater and replaces it with a live entertainment venue.  The original plan to not compete with the neighbors doesn't seem to working so well, and "in theaters" movies are on artificial life support.

I think we tend to over-estimate the retail demand that the current downtown residents generate. Not sure it would really have moved the needle all that much on Tower City's sales. This is especially true given the sky high car ownership rate of non-poor residents, which means they aren't really locked into the local retail options.

 

When you live in a larger building, package delivery is safe and secure and stuff bought in stores has to be taken up the elevators.  I suspect they are fully on board with online shopping.

Yeah, in my building the poor security staff basically spend half their time processing packages and distributing them when everybody gets home at 6:00. It's always busy, but at Christmastime, wow - you'd wait 10 minutes to pick up your package.

 

The problem actually isn't hauling the stuff up elevators, but hauling down the street, when even people with cars often park sometimes a few blocks away or whatever. When I moved in I bought flat-box furniture online.

I know the location isn't as close to the stadium district, but with Nucleus very much in the air, why wouldn't Gilbert try his own "LIVE" concept in Tower City, and turn a big part of the space into a mixed entertainment destination? I'm not crazy about these in other cities, but it seems like a few adjustments and renovations would allow for this to exist in the southern end of TC.  There is already the tunnel from TC to the Q, so he could tie it into all the events at the Q AND the casino. 

 

If I know anything about @CavsDan, he wants to grab every last dollar that his events generate (see: flashseats). Plus, if he has any ambition to have more than parking along the river, then this could be a made into a solid year-round destination. And if it's able to attract additional foot traffic, it would only push up the value of the remaining retail space.

Wouldn't be surprised if he tears out the movie aspects of the theater and replaces it with a live entertainment venue.  The original plan to not compete with the neighbors doesn't seem to working so well, and "in theaters" movies are on artificial life support.

 

It figures then that theaters are a cornerstone of Flats 3.0 haha.

 

I’d hate to see the CIFF leaves TC. But it would be sorta cool to see that event gravitate toward Playgouse Square.

The decline of the movie theater industry is mostly mythological. I don't know how downtown is as a market for theaters these days, but overall box office sales haven't really dropped. The decline of bricks and mortar retail due to on line sales also tends to be exaggerated.  I sometimes wonder if regional economic decline in places like Ohio makes its residents in particular exaggerate the velocity of these trends. 

I know the location isn't as close to the stadium district, but with Nucleus very much in the air, why wouldn't Gilbert try his own "LIVE" concept in Tower City, and turn a big part of the space into a mixed entertainment destination? I'm not crazy about these in other cities, but it seems like a few adjustments and renovations would allow for this to exist in the southern end of TC.  There is already the tunnel from TC to the Q, so he could tie it into all the events at the Q AND the casino. 

 

If I know anything about @CavsDan, he wants to grab every last dollar that his events generate (see: flashseats). Plus, if he has any ambition to have more than parking along the river, then this could be a made into a solid year-round destination. And if it's able to attract additional foot traffic, it would only push up the value of the remaining retail space.

 

I agree with you ML11.  I don't know if Forest City or Gilbert was the one that moved the parking ramp from Huron Ave to the Old Post Office, but it was a great move and opens up a lot of real estate for some sort of entertainment venue on the river.

A Dollar is more in my budget..lol 

 

Unfortunately, Next clothing store at Tower City closed. This list needs to be updated with that change....

https://www.urbanohio.com/forum/index.php/topic,23946.msg890308.html#msg890308

Here's something though, I am familiar with Downtown D.C. and Chicago, and noticed how many office workers go shopping during lunch.  The stores that get the most patronage aren't luxury boutiques but big-box stores (e.g. TJ Maxx, Marshall's, Nordstrom Rack) and mid-level stores like Forever 21 and H&M.  In other words, stores that you'll find in any suburban shopping center, but in a walkable setting.

 

Forgetting about the residents Downtown, with all that white collar employment within a relatively compact space, there's got to be some opportunity there.

 

Very good point. I personally think that’s the direction Tower City should go in. And it’s no accident that those mid level stores and mid level big boxes are the only ones really expanding still at this point. If they filled it with those kinds of stores, I think TC would be successful. And Steelyard wouldn’t be an impediment because TC would be more convenient to the people who work downtown.

 

Hello outlet mall?  Nothing pleases a casino crowd more! 

How Tall is the Terminal Tower Anyway?

 

So, a few weeks ago, I wrote a fun little email to the Council of Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat (CTBUH) on this very matter.  The CTBUH lists the Terminal Tower at 708 feet but the flagpole increases the overall height to 771 feet.  (UrbanOhio seems to go with the taller height too.)  The CTBUH's entry for the Key Tower's includes its spire, but the fact that the Terminal Tower's flagpole has a functional purpose causes its height to be discounted.  It is an oddity that certain structures are included but others aren't.  And in fact, there is no real rhyme or reason to it.  I was able to swallow the controversy on the height of the Willis Tower's (fka Sears Tower), but when One World Trade Center was completed, its rather similar pinnacle was definitely included.  So less I am missing something, even esoteric organizations like CTBUH are as susceptible to global politics as any other organization.

 

So here's my letter.

 

================

 

Good Morning -

 

I appreciate the work that your organization does and I have been following the CTBUH for many years.  But I kindly request the CTBUH reevaluate the height of the Terminal Tower / Tower City building in Cleveland, Ohio, U.S.A.  Per the CTBUH database (link attached below), the official height is 708 feet, but the flagpole increases to a total height to 771 feet.

 

The issue stems from the CTBUH's application of its definition of "architectural height."  The CTBUH has been consistent in its reasoning that placing a flagpole or antenna at the top of a building should not increase its architectural height but spires are included.

 

I posit that a flagpole should be included in a building's architectural height, if the other qualifications of calling said flagpole a spire have also been met.  The term spire is defined as a conical or pyramidal termination of a tower.  This commonly-used definition does not opine on the presence of a flag.

 

Applying that definition, if a flag were placed at the top of a building's previously defined as a spire (e.g. the Petronas Towers), we can safely assume the CTBUH would not redefine that building's architectural height.  Conversely, if a tower never had the flag but had a "spire-like" pole, the CTBUH would have defined the pole as a spire and included it in its architectural height.  So in other words, the mere addition or subtraction of the piece of cloth, not the spire or pole, becomes a definitive element in determining a building's height.  Such an outcome, from this layperson's point of view, cannot be logically reconciled.

 

The Terminal Tower provides an element of intrigue here.  The long-established rule on flagpoles was clearly intended for flat roof structures rather than the addition of flags on spires.  The Terminal Tower clearly fits into the later and not the former.  I do kindly request, CTBUH look into the matter, and hopefully reevaluate its decision.

 

I thank you for your time and attention.

 

Paul J. Meissner

Arlington, Virginia

 

"Food is pretty much covered downtown, and when residents need household goods they go to Steelyard Commons. It's minutes away," Price said. "For other kinds of retail, they're really pioneers, and you know what problems traditional retail is having."

 

That's why, he added, K&D has focused on bringing to its downtown properties local businesses who want to expand because they know Northeast Ohio, such as Corbo's, Hodges, Metro Home and Yours Truly. 

 

"You can't just put in national retailers," Price said. "It's not an easy proposition no matter how you look at it."

 

I wonder if Price would change his tune if the national retailer was a regional destination like IKEA or Bass Pro Outlet along the river. I'd sure love to see Gilbert treat the river front as more than just parking. It really is the x-factor for re-making TC as a more well-rounded, "go to" destination.

Metro Home gone.  Where's Hodges?

 

I needed a belt the other day because mine broke.  I couldn't think of any place to get one downtown.  Something like Marshall's would be nice.

 

Geiger's, Brooks Brothers, and possibly even A Dollar at Tower City should have something.

Joseph Scafidi, that men's store at Euclid at E. 13th; men's store at E. 4th; on Euclid by Halle's; that clothing store in The Arcade on Superior; the store that moved from Tower City to East. 14th by Hanna Theatre, probably a boutique or two in Fifth Street Arcades,,,,

Last time I heard any inside scoop was that Gilbert intents to try to steer the mall back in a higher-end direction (whatever mix that might mean), eliminate the food court, and renovate the theater.  After K&D is done with the Halle Building conversion it will focus its attention on Terminal Tower.  By that time I assume we will know what Gilbert has in mind, especially since he now owns several buildings and properties all around this location.

No tougher than the hundreds of stores at SouthPark, Crocker Park, Beachwood Place, Great Lakes Mall, down corridors like Detroit Avenue in Lakewood, Mentor Avenue in Mentor, etc., etc.  Hundreds and hundreds of stores in our area compete with Internet shopping.

Last time I heard any inside scoop was that Gilbert intents to try to steer the mall back in a higher-end direction (whatever mix that might mean), eliminate the food court, and renovate the theater.  After K&D is done with the Halle Building conversion it will focus its attention on Terminal Tower.  By that time I assume we will know what Gilbert has in mind, especially since he now owns several buildings and properties all around this location.

  Not much left of the food court in the Galleria either.

 

Jos A. Bank would be a fine addition to downtown.  They don't have any downtown locations in Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati, or Detroit.  But they do have a downtown presence in Chicago, Pittsburgh, and D.C.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if a "food hall" were in Tower City's near future.  Since we lost the food courts at Halle and Atrium (?), I can see that happening.