I wonder if Geiger's could be persuaded to return downtown with a location at Tower City?

On 6/11/2022 at 10:22 AM, LibertyBlvd said:

I wonder if Geiger's could be persuaded to return downtown with a location at Tower City?

We can only hope! There are a lot of men’s clothing stores that tailor to formal and professional attire downtown (if I recall correctly), but there’s been a need for more every-day, casual clothing ever since they departed. I think this is also where a city Target would help, though that may be another topic for another thread.

3 minutes ago, BuckeyeNative said:

We can only hope! There are a lot of men’s clothing stores that tailor to formal and professional attire downtown (if I recall correctly), but there’s been a need for more every-day, casual clothing ever since they departed. I think this is also where a city Target would help, though that may be another topic for another thread.

I don't think Geiger's fits the bill of every-day casual clothing. Regardless, I can't imagine Geigers even considering coming back to Cleveland proper after being completely cleaned out of their inventory during the riots. 

10 minutes ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said:

I don't think Geiger's fits the bill of every-day casual clothing. Regardless, I can't imagine Geigers even considering coming back to Cleveland proper after being completely cleaned out of their inventory during the riots. 

You’re correct; it is pretty high-end. I was just thinking of the types of clothing they offer (e.g. jeans, khakis, polos) that wouldn’t necessarily be found at other stores downtown.

36 minutes ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said:

I don't think Geiger's fits the bill of every-day casual clothing. Regardless, I can't imagine Geigers even considering coming back to Cleveland proper after being completely cleaned out of their inventory during the riots. 

 

If there was an opportunity of making more money, no business would let the loss from a past riot, fire, storm or earthquake keep it from that opportunity. So the real issue is if the business owners believe they are missing out on an opportunity. Geiger's probably doesn't. But other businesses do and they are opening or staying at Tower City. 

The reason I mentioned Geiger's is because I happened to re-read the article about their closure and Chas Geiger was qouted as saying they would like to return downtown if conditions were right. Maybe he was just being diplomatic, but who knows.

 

Edited June 12, 20223 yr by LibertyBlvd

2 hours ago, LibertyBlvd said:

The reason I mentioned Geiger's is because I happened to re-read the article about their closure and Chas Geiger was qouted as saying they would like to return downtown if conditions were right. Maybe he was just being diplomatic, but who knows.

 

I don't think they ever really gained traction at all even pre pandemic.  The riot was just the final nail in the coffin. I just think they are too high of a price point. Perhaps a different mix of merchandise could work. 

Edited June 13, 20223 yr by freefourur

Not trying to get this thread locked, but Geiger's to me seems better suited for Flats East Bank or Hingetown, where there is more direct access to outdoor like activities. 

I’m putting this question here because the casino is apart of the Tower City complex: does anyone know of the current state/health of JACK Casino? With the Cavs introducing a sports book at the FieldHouse soon, would that have any affect on JACK’s business?

1 hour ago, BuckeyeNative said:

I’m putting this question here because the casino is apart of the Tower City complex: does anyone know of the current state/health of JACK Casino? With the Cavs introducing a sports book at the FieldHouse soon, would that have any affect on JACK’s business?

The downtown casino is regularly  #1 or #2 in the state in revenue. They’ll be opening their own sports book facility there also.

I wonder if she is putting something (an associated storefront?) into Tower City:

 

 

Here’s her website:  
https://www.jenikagonzales.com/

Edited June 21, 20222 yr by MuRrAy HiLL

10 hours ago, MuRrAy HiLL said:

 

I wonder if she is putting something (an associated storefront?) into Tower City:

 

I mean, that would be cool, but given that she appears to do graphic design projects for other companies, and doesn’t have a line of products or anything like that of her own, I’m thinking it’s more likely that she’s working on something for Bedrock/Tower City, if this hint is to be believed. 
 

Or maybe she just signed a lease for an apartment in Terminal Tower. 

 

11 hours ago, MuRrAy HiLL said:

I wonder if she is putting something (an associated storefront?) into Tower City:

 

 

Here’s her website:  
https://www.jenikagonzales.com/

 

Jenika is extraordinarily talented, but the more I look at the photo, is it possible that’s the ceiling of the Holiday Inn Express lobby? It’s been a while since I’ve been in Tower City but I remember the coffered ceiling details being much deeper than what’s in the photo. 🤷🏻‍♂️

43 minutes ago, MayDay said:

 

Jenika is extraordinarily talented, but the more I look at the photo, is it possible that’s the ceiling of the Holiday Inn Express lobby? It’s been a while since I’ve been in Tower City but I remember the coffered ceiling details being much deeper than what’s in the photo. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Yep you’re right that’s absolutely the ceiling of 629 Euclid. So I’ll change my guess that she’s doing design/branding for the MRN condo project just announced there.  

Well color me embarrassed.   Appreciate the correction @MayDay

2 hours ago, MuRrAy HiLL said:

Well color me embarrassed.   Appreciate the correction @MayDay

Oh no, both spaces have pretty similar motifs and treatments, totally understandable. What’s embarrassing is how much of a geek I am for knowing these things! 😆

Interesting. I wonder what the plan is here? Is the water feature gone for good? A path through the water would be very cool, but I very much doubt that. 

 

Edited June 30, 20222 yr by Ethan

The fountains were a draw all unto themselves. This is awful.

I actually hate that temporary stage so much.


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Some good things are on the horizon in and around Tower City.

Stay tuned for new / unique greenery and seating areas, along with some other placemaking enhancements. I know it's a bummer about the fountains, but I think what's replacing it is also cool.

 

Bedrock is also planning on making what sounds to be some pretty significant streetscape improvements around Tower City / the Casino starting this fall, so that's exciting.

5 minutes ago, urbanetics_ said:

Some good things are on the horizon in and around Tower City.

Stay tuned for new / unique greenery and seating areas, along with some other placemaking enhancements. I know it's a bummer about the fountains, but I think what's replacing it is also cool.

 

Bedrock is also planning on making what sounds to be some pretty significant streetscape improvements around Tower City / the Casino starting this fall, so that's exciting.

 

Do you know when we can expect to see plan designs/renderings?

^Not totally sure, but probably / hopefully soon.

Anyone know the timeline for the David Adjaye master plan?

1 hour ago, Dino said:

Anyone know the timeline for the David Adjaye master plan?

According to this article, Kofi Bonner was hopeful Adjaye could have a “preliminary vision” completed within 90-100 days. The interview was done on April 15th, so we could anticipate news in mid-late July. Going off what Bonner said, there’d also be some public meetings held by Bedrock, Adjaye, and Mayor Bibb following that. 

1 hour ago, BuckeyeNative said:

According to this article, Kofi Bonner was hopeful Adjaye could have a “preliminary vision” completed within 90-100 days. The interview was done on April 15th, so we could anticipate news in mid-late July. Going off what Bonner said, there’d also be some public meetings held by Bedrock, Adjaye, and Mayor Bibb following that. 

 

Interesting. Any ideas what they need public input on? Maybe a good will gesture to help secure public funding?

9 minutes ago, surfohio said:

 

Interesting. Any ideas what they need public input on? Maybe a good will gesture to help secure public funding?

 

I really hope Dan Gilbert/Bedrock doesn't ask for public funding. 

Just now, GISguy said:

 

I really hope Dan Gilbert/Bedrock doesn't ask for public funding. 

Don't get your hopes up.  Check out the Hudson Tower thread on the skyscraperpage forum.

Just now, GISguy said:

 

I really hope Dan Gilbert/Bedrock doesn't ask for public funding. 

 

I hope I'm very wrong, but with the public meetings and "preliminary vision" I'm getting a 2002 Lakefront Plan vibe from all this. 

12 minutes ago, surfohio said:

 

Interesting. Any ideas what they need public input on? Maybe a good will gesture to help secure public funding?

Public/Community input is the current fashion for development projects nationwide and probably rightly so as long as it doesn't get extreme.  It seems like in Cleveland Heights they have to have 5 community meetings just to plant a tree.

Rocket Mortgage needs/wants a new building when their current lease expires. However, my concern is the rising interest rates and how they will affect RM. I would expect the rates to rise to at least 7% for a conforming borrower. Not many people are going to refinance at those rates. So, I wonder if this will be a long-term vision.

 

 

51 minutes ago, GISguy said:

I really hope Dan Gilbert/Bedrock doesn't ask for public funding.

I hope they get lots of public funding for the Riverview Development.  The area needs tons of infrastructure work and will be complicated by ROW issues from the railroads and probably from issues surrounding the river/ boat traffic.  Plus there's the plant on Canal that will probably need demo and/or remediation at some point.  I think this is different than a corporate handout or tax abatement.  I think it would be a legitimate public/private partnership.  I don't think anything ever gets developed there without significant public support.

I know that Cleveland and Cuyahoga County are cash strapped, and that there are likely many other needs to invest in. That said, given the proliferation of remote work, an area’s livability is becoming a legitimate strategy for economic sustainability if not growth. Being able to work from anywhere, is only an opportunity if you make your city a place people want to be. And a low cost of living and no traffic only go so far. 

1 hour ago, dski44 said:

Rocket Mortgage needs/wants a new building when their current lease expires. However, my concern is the rising interest rates and how they will affect RM. I would expect the rates to rise to at least 7% for a conforming borrower. Not many people are going to refinance at those rates. So, I wonder if this will be a long-term vision.

 

 

I was wondering the same thing but did not want to say it out loud.  I may be thinking of a different mortgage company but didn't they just lay off a number of employees.  This may not negatively impact the new office building for Rocket since you build for your future needs not your short term situation.  However, it may be an indication of the companies current financial condition and may negatively impact a new build (even with the lease expiring...just sign up for a couple more years) since a fancy new office building might not be prudent at this time.  Throw in rising interest rates (although in truth Gilbert could probably build it without financing  but who does that even when you have the money) as well as supply chain and construction industry labor shortages jacking up costs to build currently and...well...it just gets me wondering.

22 minutes ago, Dino said:

I hope they get lots of public funding for the Riverview Development.  The area needs tons of infrastructure work and will be complicated by ROW issues from the railroads and probably from issues surrounding the river/ boat traffic.  Plus there's the plant on Canal that will probably need demo and/or remediation at some point.  I think this is different than a corporate handout or tax abatement.  I think it would be a legitimate public/private partnership.  I don't think anything ever gets developed there without significant public support.

 

I'm with you on the infrastructure and whatnot and hope that the city and county fight for as much public access as possible. I meant more so for money going into say, Tower City or any substantial pieces of development. I also see where @OldEnoughis coming from, but giving a ton of money to one of the wealthiest people in the country (Haslams you too) when our city and county are consistently cash strapped and (at least the city, poverty stricken) is rough. 

 

When the reappraisal comes around (assuming current values hold) in 2024 home value/taxes will be going up a lot more than 2018. This may be another conversation, but there's only so much money you can wring out of a taxpayer and give to billionaires.

 

Edit: and I know this is a development forum, and also know these folks get tax breaks and TIFs all the time, but it seems like mindset w/the public could be changing judging from the kneejerk reaction towards the Haslam's/new stadium, CCF/UH tax exempt status, etc. 

 

TLDR; Public infrastructure spending is great and needed, but giving substantial money/tax breaks to Gilbert and his crew doesn't sit right.

Edited July 1, 20222 yr by GISguy

1 hour ago, Htsguy said:

I was wondering the same thing but did not want to say it out loud.  I may be thinking of a different mortgage company but didn't they just lay off a number of employees.  This may not negatively impact the new office building for Rocket since you build for your future needs not your short term situation.  However, it may be an indication of the companies current financial condition and may negatively impact a new build (even with the lease expiring...just sign up for a couple more years) since a fancy new office building might not be prudent at this time.  Throw in rising interest rates (although in truth Gilbert could probably build it without financing  but who does that even when you have the money) as well as supply chain and construction industry labor shortages jacking up costs to build currently and...well...it just gets me wondering.

 

Rocket Mortgage in April offered voluntary buyouts to 8 percent of its 26,000-person workforce. But their hiring remains active in Detroit and Cleveland, especially. They also have large offices in Phoenix and Charlotte but I saw much less hiring happening there.

This may be slightly off-topic but I'm just going to vent a little as sticker shock has me dazed and confused. So we're looking to move back into the City from Rocky River. Prices are high but what is really concerning are the property taxes. They're all over the place. One unit we looked at on 25th in the high $200's had property taxes above $8,000!! Another fantastic unit on Columbus priced at $500,000 also had property taxes of $8,700. How is that possible? We can sell our condo for $250 -$275 but our taxes are under $5,000. 

 

I really want to move into the City but the property taxes are quite concerning. And yes, what happens with the next assessment? Yikes! First world problems for sure lol. 🤨

16 minutes ago, cadmen said:

This may be slightly off-topic but I'm just going to vent a little as sticker shock has me dazed and confused. So we're looking to move back into the City from Rocky River. Prices are high but what is really concerning are the property taxes. They're all over the place. One unit we looked at on 25th in the high $200's had property taxes above $8,000!! Another fantastic unit on Columbus priced at $500,000 also had property taxes of $8,700. How is that possible? We can sell our condo for $250 -$275 but our taxes are under $5,000. 

 

I really want to move into the City but the property taxes are quite concerning. And yes, what happens with the next assessment? Yikes! First world problems for sure lol. 🤨

Probably still has the fifteen year tax abatement. 

^ So far I haven't seen any places that are new enough to have the abatement. There's actually not a lot of for sale available. Agents are having a hard time finding properties for sale under $400,000 that aren't beat up. I suppose if I wanted a house in Westlake or Strongsville I would have a lot more options but I'll die if I have to live out there. Not my cup of tea. 

 

Probably why I 'm on this forum. I'm a city guy.

1 hour ago, cadmen said:

^ So far I haven't seen any places that are new enough to have the abatement. There's actually not a lot of for sale available. Agents are having a hard time finding properties for sale under $400,000 that aren't beat up. I suppose if I wanted a house in Westlake or Strongsville I would have a lot more options but I'll die if I have to live out there. Not my cup of tea. 

 

Probably why I 'm on this forum. I'm a city guy.

I believe if you renovate a significant portion of an older structure that triggers an abatement as well. I could be wrong though. I know someone on this forum knows the answer to that. 

Edited July 2, 20222 yr by KFM44107

21 minutes ago, KFM44107 said:

I believe if you renovate a significant portion of an older structure that triggers an abatement as well. I could be wrong though. I know someone on this forum knows the answer to that. 

 

That's correct.

Thanks. I forgot about that. Not sure what hurdles you have to jump but food for thought. 

1 hour ago, KFM44107 said:

I believe if you renovate a significant portion of an older structure that triggers an abatement as well. I could be wrong though. I know someone on this forum knows the answer to that. 

Correct, but you cannot reduce the current basis. The abatement would be only on the additional value from renovation. 

45 minutes ago, freefourur said:

Correct, but you cannot reduce the current basis. The abatement would be only on the additional value from renovation. 

Also correct.  

 

Before going to look, would-be buyers can do their homework on the county website.   Property taxes are public records so you can see the status, abatements etc: 

 

https://myplace.cuyahogacounty.us

On 7/2/2022 at 3:25 PM, Cleburger said:

Also correct.  

 

Before going to look, would-be buyers can do their homework on the county website.   Property taxes are public records so you can see the status, abatements etc: 

 

https://myplace.cuyahogacounty.us

Be on the lookout for another tool to come out that'll show tax breakdowns, give tif/abatement info, and info on appraisal in the near future. 

Interesting. I wonder what the plan is here? Is the water feature gone for good? A path through the water would be very cool, but I very much doubt that. 
 
http://cdn.urbanohio.com/monthly_2022_06/IMG_20220630_191025372.thumb.jpg.62a83a7a7fda6bb558d7925c25a5eecb.jpg

https://www.instagram.com/p/CfqjsQOuDoK/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Bedrock has partnered CVNP turning the old fountain into ‘skylight park’…. Just wish it was bigger

13 minutes ago, BoomerangCleRes said:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CfqjsQOuDoK/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Bedrock has partnered CVNP turning the old fountain into ‘skylight park’…. Just wish it was bigger

Right.  If you're removing the fountain anyway, why constrain yourself to the basin of the old fountain, unless you're just being cheap?

This seems like the type of thing that would be very much improved by some water features, think fake waterfall. The plumbing is already there, so why not? Hopefully that is part of the plan, but I don't see anything to that effect. 

If CVNP and the Conservancy are going to have a footprint in Tower City could that be signaling extending CVSR back into Cleveland?

30 minutes ago, sizzlinbeef said:

Right.  If you're removing the fountain anyway, why constrain yourself to the basin of the old fountain, unless you're just being cheap?

My guess is the water pipes are already in the fountain for irrigation.  But I suppose they could expand the fountain.  

From WKYC: https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/cleveland/skylight-park-tower-city-center-cleveland/95-989855b1-e6dc-4726-a98b-9770e6e6f4b6

 

From Fox 8:

 

https://fox8.com/news/tower-city-to-open-indoor-urban-park/amp/