February 15, 20232 yr There is no doubt Huron needs a road diet and dedicated bike lane to make it more pedestrian friendly. I would favor a diet by far over closing a block completely and rerouting traffic. Edited February 15, 20232 yr by Mendo
February 15, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Clefan98 said: If you decide not to visit/live in the city because traffic gets a little worse, that's your loss, not the city's. Downtown and the core neighborhoods are going to get much more dense with or without you. I'll just point out your comment would have been better without the personal callout. 1 hour ago, Clefan98 said: Besides, closing Huron won't affect the reverse commute of 99.999% of us living in and around downtown. The fear mongering has to stop or this region will never reach its potential. All I'm interested in is studying the issue and weighing the pros and cons. If you're right the impact will be minimal. I'm not "fear mongering." I'm also not interested in arguing with you, only polite discussion with the goal of finding solutions.
February 15, 20232 yr 42 minutes ago, Mendo said: There is no doubt Huron needs a road diet and dedicated bike lane to make it more pedestrian friendly. I would favor a diet by far over closing a block completely and rerouting traffic. if we are talking road diet than a wider sidewalk for pedestrians here is a good idea. given the vision its more about pedsetrian friendly around there than accomodating vehicles, but of course yeah ok bike lane too.
February 15, 20232 yr 22 minutes ago, mrnyc said: if we are talking road diet than a wider sidewalk for pedestrians here is a good idea. given the vision its more about pedsetrian friendly around there than accomodating vehicles, but of course yeah ok bike lane too. Come to think of it Huron doesn't even have a sidewalk at all on one side right now!
February 15, 20232 yr 3 hours ago, acd said: Seeing Bedrock's plan got me wondering what the future public riverfront access will look like if it comes to fruition along with Canal Basin and Irishtown Bend, so I approximated them in Paint on Google Maps. It'll just be so much better in a decade or two if all this stuff actually happens. I think boardwalks along Scranton and Columbus peninsulas are decently likely too, so we could have quality public pedestrian access on both sides of the river from almost the lake all the way to the industrial valley. Current, for reference: Cleveland has the potential to have one of the coolest, if not one of the longest boardwalks in the U.S. I've said it before, but there really needs to be someone, or some governing body looking out to ensure that the pedestrian pathways are connected. Along with adjacent development opportunities where it's most appropriate.
February 15, 20232 yr It doesn't look like they're removing the road/bridge, and therefore not removing the maintenance costs. They are severing the link somewhere in the middle, and diverting that traffic onto Prospect. I for one would rather they do traffic calming and right size the number of auto lanes on Huron and Prospect than sever Huron and turn Prospect into a traffic sewer.The irony in that is you’d think if they’d close a street between the two they’d close a part of prospect for a multitude of reasons. One reason is Prospect is built to better suit a pedestrian and bicycle only street specifically the section closest to 4th, Nucleus Site/ RMF and Tower City. Especially with 4th getting alterations to its street. Secondly closing traffic on a section of prospect and diverting it to Huron which is wider would be better suited to handle the traffic increase VS prospect which has already been shown to be a traffic nightmare after major sporting events. More and more I actually liked the idea of closing Prospect immediately behind tower city center to traffic, diverting the bus loading to another area (which could be a catalyst to getting a multimodal transit center) reactive the outdoor shopping along prospect, leave it open to Bikes and pedestrians and continue that up until the prospect and Huron intersection. That plan would also work well with the County Executives plan for the Detroit Superior bridge (have wider two way protected bike lanes on West Superior up until the bridge to shrink the street) Just my thoughts.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
February 15, 20232 yr Maybe this will lift spirits! Surveyor and Terrace Construction are down there on Canal today doing something....😃
February 15, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, dwolfi01 said: Come to think of it Huron doesn't even have a sidewalk at all on one side right now! Road diet/sidewalk are both in the works: Quote $432,000 - City of Cleveland, Memorial Bridges Loop Trail The Memorial Bridges Loop will provide a low-stress, safe connection for bicyclists and pedestrians between the Downtown and Ohio City neighborhoods by linking the Irishtown Bend Park along W. 25th Street, the protected bicycle lane and promenade on the Detroit-Superior Bridge, and the existing separated multi-use path from Eagle Avenue across the Lorain-Carnegie Bridge. The Huron-Ontario connection will be achieved through a “road diet” that removes a vehicular travel lane from W Huron Road and Ontario Street between Superior Avenue and Eagle Avenue to create a physically separated, multi-use path along the southern curb of the street segment. https://www.cleveland.com/life-and-culture/g66l-2019/03/ad2d745c99592/grassroots-plan-for-running-biking-loop-over-downtown-bridges-deserves-support-steven-litt.html
February 15, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, surfohio said: Cleveland has the potential to have one of the coolest, if not one of the longest boardwalks in the U.S. I've said it before, but there really needs to be someone, or some governing body looking out to ensure that the pedestrian pathways are connected. Along with adjacent development opportunities where it's most appropriate. I fantasize every day about being able to go for a jog on boardwalks that go all the way from the mouth of the river all through downtown on both sides of the river making a fantastic river loop. Maybe one day!
February 15, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, surfohio said: Cleveland has the potential to have one of the coolest, if not one of the longest boardwalks in the U.S. I've said it before, but there really needs to be someone, or some governing body looking out to ensure that the pedestrian pathways are connected. Along with adjacent development opportunities where it's most appropriate. Maybe Metroparks could spearhead this.
February 15, 20232 yr 7 minutes ago, dwolfi01 said: I fantasize every day about being able to go for a jog on boardwalks that go all the way from the mouth of the river all through downtown on both sides of the river making a fantastic river loop. Maybe one day! Yep! And also the city becomes so much more connected. Like it wouldn't be out of the question walking or biking from say Wendy Park Coast Guard station to Tower City - all along the water on a bike path-boardwalk system. If I'm Dan Gilbert I'd certainly be taking an "all roads lead to Rome" mentality. The riverfront really can be such a welcoming front door for the entire TC complex...by train, bike, boat, etc.
February 16, 20232 yr @MyPhoneDeadI agree about prospect. In my master plan, prospect gets closed to cars and becomes the bus hub for downtown. Put up some nice awnings, put in a few nice loading bays. You could actually find a use for the storefronts in Tower City and Landmark.
February 17, 20232 yr [mention=2643]MyPhoneDead[/mention]I agree about prospect. In my master plan, prospect gets closed to cars and becomes the bus hub for downtown. Put up some nice awnings, put in a few nice loading bays. You could actually find a use for the storefronts in Tower City and Landmark. I feel like the store fronts (at least on the ground floor due to larger sizes) could become entertainment space. Dave and Busters/Main Event, A bar with gaming options such as bowling, ax throwing etc.,) while the 2nd floor could be split between additional new to market stores, and another use and redo the theater. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
February 17, 20232 yr Todays the day, t-minus 30 mins live stream here:https://www.youtube.com/live/m0Zj-cGPoF0?feature=share
February 17, 20232 yr Looking at these slides today I am way less concerned about the plan to close part of Huron Rd. Anyone going between Detroit/Superior and Ontario street will just turn onto Prospect instead of Huron. I'm sure with some repainting/reconfiguring of turning lanes and such it will be just as smooth as it is today
February 17, 20232 yr What's interesting to me is that while almost all the buildings in this deck are just generic massings, except for the one on the far-east end which has a much more stylized design with the exposed mass-timber cross-hatch.
February 17, 20232 yr Author 35 minutes ago, tj111 said: What's interesting to me is that while almost all the buildings in this deck are just generic massings, except for the one on the far-east end which has a much more stylized design with the exposed mass-timber cross-hatch. Because it is likely to be the easiest to finance with a casino allowed to be built there. Gilbert no longer owns a casino in Cleveland. He would like to change that. A hotel/casino can be built there without much in the way of new infrastructure. It involves reworking the RTA Walkway To Gateway and building over the RTA tracks. But Bedrock has the advantage of having air rights over the RTA property. BTW, the two identical towers next to the Huron Plaza are reportedly proposed to be 500 feet each. Interesting that they already know how tall they would be. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 17, 20232 yr With Huron closing as a cut through to the Veteran's Memorial Bridge from Ontario, where is all the gravel truck traffic being routed? Prospect? Seems less than ideal. I obviously couldn't give a tinker's damn about gravel trucks while getting a redesigned riverfront, but it seems to be a looming issue that has come up over the years.
February 17, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, w28th said: With Huron closing as a cut through to the Veteran's Memorial Bridge from Ontario, where is all the gravel truck traffic being routed? Prospect? Seems less than ideal. I obviously couldn't give a tinker's damn about gravel trucks while getting a redesigned riverfront, but it seems to be a looming issue that has come up over the years. I suppose they could be forced to use the Main Avenue bridge and routed around downtown through the innerbelt.
February 17, 20232 yr 12 minutes ago, KJP said: BTW, the two identical towers next to the Huron Plaza are reportedly proposed to be 500 feet each. Interesting that they already know how tall they would be. 500?! That would add a lot of balance to the skyline
February 17, 20232 yr 5 minutes ago, w28th said: With Huron closing as a cut through to the Veteran's Memorial Bridge from Ontario, where is all the gravel truck traffic being routed? Prospect? Seems less than ideal. I obviously couldn't give a tinker's damn about gravel trucks while getting a redesigned riverfront, but it seems to be a looming issue that has come up over the years. That issue was brought up during the presentation, although no answer was really addressed other than consideration for maybe a new road or some connector for the trucks. I think council was also not too keen on the trucks going anywhere near Tower City, at least the impression I got from watching...
February 17, 20232 yr @KJPdo you know if a casino is built there would it be allowed to have table games or just slots and a sportsbook? I hope they consider other entertainment options as well. Live music, water park, something that will really keep a hotel booked for 365 days.
February 17, 20232 yr 30 minutes ago, KJP said: Because it is likely to be the easiest to finance with a casino allowed to be built there. Gilbert no longer owns a casino in Cleveland. He would like to change that. A hotel/casino can be built there without much in the way of new infrastructure. It involves reworking the RTA Walkway To Gateway and building over the RTA tracks. But Bedrock has the advantage of having air rights over the RTA property. BTW, the two identical towers next to the Huron Plaza are reportedly proposed to be 500 feet each. Interesting that they already know how tall they would be. The only problem is that the State Constitution allows for only 1 casino in Cleveland iirc
February 17, 20232 yr Author 18 minutes ago, Sapper Daddy said: @KJPdo you know if a casino is built there would it be allowed to have table games or just slots and a sportsbook? I hope they consider other entertainment options as well. Live music, water park, something that will really keep a hotel booked for 365 days. I'm not a casino aficionado so I really don't pay attention to those kinds of details. 10 minutes ago, freefourur said: The only problem is that the State Constitution allows for only 1 casino in Cleveland iirc That's true, but what constitutes a casino "facility"? This descriptions seems to indicate that any building(s) within this area constitutes a single facility..... https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-constitution/section-15.6 (C)(1) Casino gaming shall be authorized at four casino facilities (a single casino at a designated location within each of the cities of Cincinnati, Cleveland, and Toledo, and within Franklin County) to create new funding for cities, counties, public school districts, law enforcement, the horse racing industry and job training for Ohio's workforce. ....... (8) Notwithstanding any provision of the Constitution, statutes of Ohio, or a local charter and ordinance, only one casino facility shall be operated in each of the cities of Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Toledo, and in Franklin County. (9) For purposes of this section 6(C), the following definitions shall be applied: "Casino facility" means all or any part of any one or more of the following properties (together with all improvements situated thereon) in Cleveland, Cincinnati, Toledo, and Franklin County: (a) Cleveland: Being an approximate 61 acre area in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, as identified by the Cuyahoga County Auditor, as of 02/27/09, as tax parcel numbers 004-28-001, 004-29-004A, 004-29-005, 004-29-008, 004-29-009, 004-29-010, 004-29-012, 004-29-013, 004-29-014, 004-29-020, 004-29-018, 004-29-017, 004-29-016, 004-29-021, 004-29-025, 004-29-027, 004-29-026, 004-28-008, 004-28-004, 004-28-003, 004-28-002, 004-28-010, 004-29-001, 004-29-007 and 004-04-017 and all lands and air rights lying within and/or above the public rights of way adjacent to such parcels. Being an approximate 8.66 acre area in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, being that parcel identified by the Cuyahoga County Auditor, as of 02/27/09, as tax parcel number 101-21-002 and all lands and air rights lying within and/or above the public rights of way adjacent to such parcel. Being an approximate 2.56 acre area in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, being that parcel identified by the Cuyahoga County Auditor, as of 02/27/09, as tax parcel number 101-21-OO2 and all lands and air rights lying within and/or above the public rights of way adjacent to such parcel. Being an approximate 7.91 acre area in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, being that parcel identified by the Cuyahoga County Auditor, as of 02/27/09, as tax parcel number 101-23-050A and all lands and air rights lying within and/or above the public rights of way adjacent to such parcel. All air rights above the parcel located in Cuyahoga County, Ohio identified by the Cuyahoga County Auditor, as of 02/27/09, as tax parcel number 101-22-003. Being an approximate 1.55 acre area in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, as identified by the Cuyahoga County Auditor, as of 02/27/09, as tax parcel numbers 122-18-010, 122-18-0ll and 122-18-012 and all lands and air rights lying within and/or above the public rights of way adjacent to such parcels. Being an approximate 1.83 acre area in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, as identified by the Cuyahoga County Auditor, as of 02/27/09, as tax parcel numbers 101-30-002 and 101-30-003 and all lands and air rights lying within and/or above the public rights of way adjacent to such parcels. Consisting of floors one through four, mezzanine, basement, sub-basement, Parcel No. 36-2, Item III, Parcels First and Second, Item V, Parcel A, and Item VI, Parcel One of the Higbee Building in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, as identified by the Cuyahoga County Auditor, as of 2/29/09, as tax parcel numbers 101-23-002 and 101-23-050F and all lands and air rights lying within and/or above the public rights of way adjacent to such parcels. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 17, 20232 yr i think it'd be hard to argue that two different brands with two different owners would still qualify as one facility
February 17, 20232 yr 24 minutes ago, freefourur said: The only problem is that the State Constitution allows for only 1 casino in Cleveland iirc So close JACK and open a new one. Problem solved.
February 17, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, LibertyBlvd said: So close JACK and open a new one. Problem solved. Gilbert/Bedrock doesn't own JACK though.
February 17, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: BTW, the two identical towers next to the Huron Plaza are reportedly proposed to be 500 feet each. Interesting that they already know how tall they would be. This is a pretty neat detail. Depending on what "500" actually means, these could be the 8th and 9th tallest buildings in the state when completed.
February 17, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, freefourur said: The only problem is that the State Constitution allows for only 1 casino in Cleveland iirc Correct! And this is a very, very interesting point, particularly given that Gilbert sold the casino recently. You want to know where the casino is allowed? Here's where: Quote Being an approximate 61 acre area in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, as identified by the Cuyahoga County Auditor, as of 02/27/09, as tax parcel numbers 004-28-001, 004-29-004A, 004-29-005, 004-29-008, 004-29-009, 004-29-010, 004-29-012, 004-29-013, 004-29-014, 004-29-020, 004-29-018, 004-29-017, 004-29-016, 004-29-021, 004-29-025, 004-29-027, 004-29-026, 004-28-008, 004-28-004, 004-28-003, 004-28-002, 004-28-010, 004-29-001, 004-29-007 and 004-04-017 and all lands and air rights lying within and/or above the public rights of way adjacent to such parcels. Being an approximate 8.66 acre area in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, being that parcel identified by the Cuyahoga County Auditor, as of 02/27/09, as tax parcel number 101-21-002 and all lands and air rights lying within and/or above the public rights of way adjacent to such parcel. Being an approximate 2.56 acre area in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, being that parcel identified by the Cuyahoga County Auditor, as of 02/27/09, as tax parcel number 101-21-OO2 and all lands and air rights lying within and/or above the public rights of way adjacent to such parcel. Being an approximate 7.91 acre area in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, being that parcel identified by the Cuyahoga County Auditor, as of 02/27/09, as tax parcel number 101-23-050A and all lands and air rights lying within and/or above the public rights of way adjacent to such parcel. All air rights above the parcel located in Cuyahoga County, Ohio identified by the Cuyahoga County Auditor, as of 02/27/09, as tax parcel number 101-22-003. Being an approximate 1.55 acre area in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, as identified by the Cuyahoga County Auditor, as of 02/27/09, as tax parcel numbers 122-18-010, 122-18-0ll and 122-18-012 and all lands and air rights lying within and/or above the public rights of way adjacent to such parcels. Being an approximate 1.83 acre area in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, as identified by the Cuyahoga County Auditor, as of 02/27/09, as tax parcel numbers 101-30-002 and 101-30-003 and all lands and air rights lying within and/or above the public rights of way adjacent to such parcels. Consisting of floors one through four, mezzanine, basement, sub-basement, Parcel No. 36-2, Item III, Parcels First and Second, Item V, Parcel A, and Item VI, Parcel One of the Higbee Building in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, as identified by the Cuyahoga County Auditor, as of 2/29/09, as tax parcel numbers 101-23-002 and 101-23-050F and all lands and air rights lying within and/or above the public rights of way adjacent to such parcels. That's a lot of parcels! But you know what isn't in that list? (you can control F to confirm) Parcel 101-23-050B! Wanna guess where most of the Jack Casino is located? So, say Gilbert were to try and build a new casino entirely situated on one of the many parcels that is listed in the constitutional amendment. Which casino is the legitimate casino? It seems Gilbert has at least an interesting argument. Now would trying this be a good idea? No comment! Another much less sleazy option is that Gilbert could build a separate casino, have Jack manage it, and argue that it's actually the same "facility" for purposes of the Ohio Constitution. Edited February 17, 20232 yr by LlamaLawyer
February 17, 20232 yr 54 minutes ago, Whipjacka said: i think it'd be hard to argue that two different brands with two different owners would still qualify as one facility Technically, Jack doesn't own the casino. It's just the licensed operator and presumably rents the space. As long as Jack managed both locations, I think they could plausibly be called one "facility" even under separate ownership.
February 17, 20232 yr I'm just surprised there's enough demand for a second casino downtown. I mean I've been to the Jack a good bit of times but I didn't think it was overcrowded or anything so not sure how it would fair if their customer base got cut in half by having a second casino nearby.
February 17, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, dwolfi01 said: I'm just surprised there's enough demand for a second casino downtown. I mean I've been to the Jack a good bit of times but I didn't think it was overcrowded or anything so not sure how it would fair if their customer base got cut in half by having a second casino nearby. I would bet that the demand exists downtown for a different type of casino. One with a theater venue for shows and concerts. That’s aside from being a waterfront attraction.
February 17, 20232 yr 13 minutes ago, dwolfi01 said: I'm just surprised there's enough demand for a second casino downtown. I mean I've been to the Jack a good bit of times but I didn't think it was overcrowded or anything so not sure how it would fair if their customer base got cut in half by having a second casino nearby. I think a certain synergy could exist between two casinos for the same reason clusters of bars do better than bars that stand alone.
February 17, 20232 yr 20 minutes ago, marty15 said: I would bet that the demand exists downtown for a different type of casino. One with a theater venue for shows and concerts. That’s aside from being a waterfront attraction. One to win $500 and one to lose it again!
February 17, 20232 yr I think the layout of the jack is perfect for sportsbetting and table games. a new build could be a better experience for slots players. It could also incorporate dining and shows
February 17, 20232 yr Author 25 minutes ago, marty15 said: I would bet that the demand exists downtown for a different type of casino. One with a theater venue for shows and concerts. That’s aside from being a waterfront attraction. Might also do well as a sports book although Gilbert will have one across the street at The Rock. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 17, 20232 yr On 2/17/2023 at 12:56 PM, freefourur said: Gilbert/Bedrock doesn't own JACK though. Jack Entertainment is operated by one of Gilbert's buddies who was formerly with Bedrock. Maybe Gilbert/Bedrock can acquire Jack Entertainment. Problem solved. Edited February 19, 20232 yr by LibertyBlvd
February 17, 20232 yr I feel like the Eagle Ave bridge is overlooked in all this. A route from W 3rd/Eagle ave intersection to the Carter bridge would be huge. If they were to get rid of Canal as suggested would make this vital.
February 17, 20232 yr 48 minutes ago, Mogradal said: I feel like the Eagle Ave bridge is overlooked in all this. A route from W 3rd/Eagle ave intersection to the Carter bridge would be huge. If they were to get rid of Canal as suggested would make this vital. I agree. Especially if they’re (city)serious about wanting the south Flats developed.
February 17, 20232 yr 4 minutes ago, marty15 said: I agree. Especially if they’re (city)serious about wanting the south Flats developed. Exactly. There are so many projects right next to each other and you have to loop around to get to them. It would be such a connector between them. It wouldn't be cheap though. I read the, I believe new Columbus span was $24 million. This would need a new span and possibly new east bank tower to flatten it out.
February 17, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, LlamaLawyer said: Correct! And this is a very, very interesting point, particularly given that Gilbert sold the casino recently. You want to know where the casino is allowed? Here's where: That's a lot of parcels! But you know what isn't in that list? (you can control F to confirm) Parcel 101-23-050B! Wanna guess where most of the Jack Casino is located? Not super important and more factoid than anything but the reason you see so many parcels here is because you're looking at air rights in addition to area parcels. It really doesn't come across well in our viewers because really, you're mapping 3D space in a 2D environment. Same goes for condo points...
February 17, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Mogradal said: Exactly. There are so many projects right next to each other and you have to loop around to get to them. It would be such a connector between them. It wouldn't be cheap though. I read the, I believe new Columbus span was $24 million. This would need a new span and possibly new east bank tower to flatten it out. There’s so much federal money available for infrastructure projects right now if the city was interested in that.
February 17, 20232 yr 6 hours ago, Geowizical said: 500?! That would add a lot of balance to the skyline Thanks @Geowizicalwe love your renderings - I’m assuming the skyline with those hypothetical 500’ buildings takes into account the lower elevation of those buildings, correct?
February 18, 20232 yr Author 3 hours ago, Mogradal said: Exactly. There are so many projects right next to each other and you have to loop around to get to them. It would be such a connector between them. It wouldn't be cheap though. I read the, I believe new Columbus span was $24 million. This would need a new span and possibly new east bank tower to flatten it out. FYI -- Columbus road bridge was $32 million, nine years ago. I don't think they're proposing to have Eagle Avenue cross the river. See more here.... https://neo-trans.blog/2023/02/13/bedrock-lays-out-riverfront-plan-steps/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 18, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: FYI -- Columbus road bridge was $32 million, nine years ago. I don't think they're proposing to have Eagle Avenue cross the river. See more here.... https://neo-trans.blog/2023/02/13/bedrock-lays-out-riverfront-plan-steps/ I understand that the bridge is not apart of this megaproject. The problem I see is that it is not a part of any project. There are many big plans surrounding it that having it connect them should be important. With Huron being cut and Canal probably being banned to commercial vehicles another route is of importance. I would just hope the city and county could see this and come up with a plan to get it up and running again.
February 18, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, Mogradal said: I understand that the bridge is not apart of this megaproject. The problem I see is that it is not a part of any project. There are many big plans surrounding it that having it connect them should be important. With Huron being cut and Canal probably being banned to commercial vehicles another route is of importance. I would just hope the city and county could see this and come up with a plan to get it up and running again. Especially with Scranton now being populated for the first time ever. They’re cut off from their south flats neighbors. I would think connecting them would be a priority if we’re trying to think ahead.
February 18, 20232 yr 5 hours ago, CleveFan said: Thanks @Geowizicalwe love your renderings - I’m assuming the skyline with those hypothetical 500’ buildings takes into account the lower elevation of those buildings, correct? Yup, which is why i was even more surprised by the 500' number given the lower terrain
February 18, 20232 yr it’s litt! Bedrock’s Tower City riverfront expansion concept elicits praise, big questions from city planning commission Updated: Feb. 17, 2023 By Steven Litt, cleveland.com CLEVELAND, Ohio — Members of Cleveland’s City Planning Commission loved seeing a presentation Friday of the Bedrock vision for a huge expansion of Tower City Center that would include a new, 12-acre park on the Cuyahoga River. more: https://www.cleveland.com/news/2023/02/bedrocks-concept-for-tower-city-center-expansion-elicits-praise-big-questions-from-city-planning-commission.html
February 18, 20232 yr "Bedrock officials outlined a schedule in which a master development agreement with the city would be finalized this summer and approved this fall." So this means come summer, we will all know exactly what the total plan is? Including building renderings, heights, infrastructure changes? That seems like an awful lot to design by summer, but you won't hear me complain!
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