3 hours ago, Clefan98 said:

 

He's in the top 30 of richest people in the US with a net worth around ~24B.

 

Side note, can you share whatever you're smoking?

 

o rilly? he wasn’t even worth a billy back when he bought the cavs. i haven’t paid attention. 😂

TIF Overlay district for Bedrock's Riverfront project. https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/cleveland-eyes-novel-tif-bedrocks-riverfront-project

 

 

Cavs plan new downtown training complex with Cleveland Clinic

https://www.crainscleveland.com/sports-recreation/cleveland-cavaliers-cleveland-clinic-plan-downtown-training-facility?utm_source=breaking-news-alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20230921&utm_content=article1-readmore

 

 

 

 

A preliminary massing study shows the proposed Cleveland Clinic Global Peak Performance Center in the Flats, at the southeastern end of Bedrock's sprawling riverfront site.

Edited September 21, 20231 yr by Pigmeat

5 minutes ago, Pigmeat said:

 

 

Cavs plan new downtown training complex with Cleveland Clinic

https://www.crainscleveland.com/sports-recreation/cleveland-cavaliers-cleveland-clinic-plan-downtown-training-facility?utm_source=breaking-news-alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20230921&utm_content=article1-readmore

 

 

 

 

A preliminary massing study shows the proposed Cleveland Clinic Global Peak Performance Center in the Flats, at the southeastern end of Bedrock's sprawling riverfront site.

As suggested by @KJP a while back.  Glad to see finally actually announced.

Hopefully that gets the ball rolling on more development on the riverfront site.

So the power plant has to come down for this? Do I have the placement right?

5 minutes ago, marty15 said:

So the power plant has to come down for this? Do I have the placement right?

 

No, this is at the bottom of the Eagle Avenue ramp (once it is restored). The site is currently a parking lot, north of the Eagle-West 3rd intersection. The folks at Cleveland Whiskey sure played their cards right.

 

I had the Cavs practice facility and Cleveland Clinic facility in Bedrock’s riverfront, but not in the right location. The site they're going to was previously shown as parking garages.

 

So the question now is, where will the parking garages go? And what will be the site that was to be the Cavs/Clinic facilities? I think we're going to find out pretty soon.

Is this separate from the Cavs training facility? Thought that was supposed to be at the base of a tower

4 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

No, this is at the bottom of the Eagle Avenue ramp (once it is restored). The site is currently a parking lot, north of the Eagle-West 3rd intersection. The folks at Cleveland Whiskey sure played their cards right.

 

I had the Cavs practice facility and Cleveland Clinic facility in Bedrock’s riverfront, but not in the right location.

So right here then?

1 minute ago, marty15 said:

So right here then?

 

 

Yes. And you can see why Tom Lix and Cleveland Whiskey have to be loving this.

It's like my spidey sense was tingling on today's ride in - almost direct view of the parking lot location?

 

 

Strategic placement forces the city to get real on the infrastructure in order to get the Cavs back downtown. 

Rendering requires eagle ave ramp, realignment of canal road and bulkhead work.  

Creates a nice bookend that isn't necessarily the most pedestrian-friendly use to promote build out in-between.  

33 minutes ago, KJP said:

where will the parking garages go?

If I were to guess, just south of here on W3rd. Possibly on both sides of the Hope Memorial Bridge. There they wouldn't be taking up valuable riverfront space, and it's the route cars have to take to get to this point from almost anywhere (i.e. it gets them off the road prior to the pedestrian focused area). It's looks like this is currently parking anyway, so you don't have to knock anything down either. Seems like the best and most logical place to me. 

IMHO, this isn't  a good thing. A practice facility downtown? Sure. But right on the river front? What is the purpose of that? It will likely need to be a windowless, lifeless building from the exterior for security purposes. I could think of far better uses for river front land.

40 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

Yes. And you can see why Tom Lix and Cleveland Whiskey have to be loving this.

CW purchased the building directly east of theirs too, right? Was that one of your articles? 

4 minutes ago, noname said:

IMHO, this isn't  a good thing. A practice facility downtown? Sure. But right on the river front? What is the purpose of that? It will likely need to be a windowless, lifeless building from the exterior for security purposes. I could think of far better uses for river front land.

This was my initial thought as well, but per the article it is described as a "a hybrid wellness-athletics complex that will be open to the public." So we might be wrong. 

 

More from the article:

 

" “This center will not only serve our team on and off the court, but it will create an opportunity for the everyday athlete to receive state-of-the-art care in Northeast Ohio,” Gilbert said in a written statement."

 

Hopefully it is useful to the general public, and maybe they'll add a riverfront restaurant or something, though I wouldn't bet on that. I'll reserve judgement for now, I'm just glad something is getting built relatively quickly. 

Will this have any affect on players' income tax if they are practicing in Cleveland instead of Independence?

RE: Lifeless, windowless practice facility

 

I think all these other NBA teams would beg to differ (2016 article, but still relevant):

https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Journal/Issues/2016/06/06/Facilities/NBA-facilities.aspx

Edited September 21, 20231 yr by Geowizical

53 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

No, this is at the bottom of the Eagle Avenue ramp (once it is restored). The site is currently a parking lot, north of the Eagle-West 3rd intersection. The folks at Cleveland Whiskey sure played their cards right.

 

I had the Cavs practice facility and Cleveland Clinic facility in Bedrock’s riverfront, but not in the right location. The site they're going to was previously shown as parking garages.

 

So the question now is, where will the parking garages go? And what will be the site that was to be the Cavs/Clinic facilities? I think we're going to find out pretty soon.

Assume this means more salary taxes will for Cleveland, which is great. Rockside has stolen enough from the city and encouraged too much sprawl.

 

just frustrating that the land in independence that the current practice facility is now on (to the best of my knowledge) was a wooded parcel. So we lost the mature tree canopy for a short term move. Smh

14 minutes ago, noname said:

IMHO, this isn't  a good thing. A practice facility downtown? Sure. But right on the river front? What is the purpose of that? It will likely need to be a windowless, lifeless building from the exterior for security purposes. I could think of far better uses for river front land.

 

There are miles and miles of riverfront, with the most prime portion of Bedrock's yet to come.  Good to have something there to get the ball rolling (or bouncing in this case).

 

The riverfront and downtown will need a variety or different uses to succeed. 

 

A new building with people and offices and medical facilities are a good thing!

4 minutes ago, RMB said:

 

There are miles and miles of riverfront, with the most prime portion of Bedrock's yet to come.  Good to have something there to get the ball rolling (or bouncing in this case).

 

The riverfront and downtown will need a variety or different uses to succeed. 

 

A new building with people and offices and medical facilities are a good thing!

 

Imagining a world class public and private space for wellness and training.

 

In proximity to the river and trails, future park space, residential and retail.

 

Now imagine there's a right way to design this space, and there's the "Cleveland Clinic" way to design this space. 

12 minutes ago, Clefan14 said:

just frustrating that the land in independence that the current practice facility is now on (to the best of my knowledge) was a wooded parcel. So we lost the mature tree canopy for a short term move. Smh

And only done to appease LeBron.  I wonder what will become of the facility after the Cavs leave?

2 minutes ago, surfohio said:

 

Imagining a world class public and private space for wellness and training.

 

In proximity to the river and trails, future park space, residential and retail.

 

Now imagine there's a right way to design this space, and there's the "Cleveland Clinic" way to design this space. 

Bedrock knows what they are doing and they won't purposely devalue their other property.  

I am getting the feeling rowing sports could be a part of the training at this facility. Would make sense why the kayak launch is basically a part of this build out.

I am hopeful with POPULOUS Architecture firm being chosen to design this facility. Their website has many examples of their work with athletic training facilities

1 hour ago, RMB said:

Strategic placement forces the city to get real on the infrastructure in order to get the Cavs back downtown. 

Rendering requires eagle ave ramp, realignment of canal road and bulkhead work.  

Creates a nice bookend that isn't necessarily the most pedestrian-friendly use to promote build out in-between.  

Lots already happening on the infrastructure with Bedrock leading the way...this is happening!

Cleveland Cavaliers, Bedrock and Cleveland Clinic Reveal Conceptual Plans for Cleveland Clinic Global Peak Performance Center in Downtown Cleveland

 

https://populous.com/cleveland-cavaliers-bedrock-and-cleveland-clinic-reveal-conceptual-plans-for-cleveland-clinic-global-peak-performance-center-in-downtown-cleveland

Lots more coming to the riverfront.....

 

 

Cavs, Clinic confirm downtown move
By Ken Prendergast / September 21, 2023

 

In a formal announcement made today, the Cleveland Cavaliers, the Cleveland Clinic and Bedrock Real Estate officially unveiled a partnership for and conceptual plans of the Cleveland Clinic Global Peak Performance Center – a first-of-its-kind sports performance center and training facility. Proposed plans include the development of an interdisciplinary training center which would be located on the Cuyahoga River’s waterfront in downtown Cleveland. The center would be the only Cleveland Clinic-backed professional facility to be open to the public.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blog/2023/09/21/cavs-clinic-confirm-downtown-move/

1 hour ago, LibertyBlvd said:

Will this have any affect on players' income tax if they are practicing in Cleveland instead of Independence?

 

When the Cavs first moved to Independence in 2007 or so, a tax sharing agreement was done between CLE and Independence for tax revenue during training. Now that the Cavs are RIGHTFULLY moving back Downtown, will that sharing agreement still be in place? I hope not. Independence should have no right to take Cleveland's money.

 

Another, underrated aspect of this project is that it will be the first time the Cleveland Clinic has established a presence downtown.  That's a big step, and you almost wonder why it took this long.  I think in the long run it will be both good for the Clinic and downtown.  If things go well, it could encourage the Clinic to soak up some downtown commercial real estate/office space to compliment and/or grow the sports facility.  In the post-COVID commercial real estate market, that's a godsend for downtown and the riverfront.  I don't expect there to be a 40-story "Cleveland Clinic Tower" in the CBD overnight, but this appears to be a great start for the city.

Edited September 21, 20231 yr by Down_with_Ctown

1 hour ago, Clefan14 said:

Assume this means more salary taxes will for Cleveland, which is great. Rockside has stolen enough from the city and encouraged too much sprawl.

 

just frustrating that the land in independence that the current practice facility is now on (to the best of my knowledge) was a wooded parcel. So we lost the mature tree canopy for a short term move. Smh

 

Independence doesn't care about tree canopy. They'd much prefer to have soul-less short office and other buildings in office parks. They also probably thought they'd have the Cavs forever--so it wasn't a short-term play. (Just like Richfield thought they had the Cavs during the Coliseum days before the move to Gund Arena.)

Just now, Down_with_Ctown said:

Another, underrated aspect of this project is that it will be the first time the Cleveland Clinic has established a presence downtown.  That's a big step, and you almost wonder why it took this long.  I think in the long run it will be both good for the Clinic and downtown.  If things go well, it could encourage the Clinic to soak up some downtown commercial real estate to compliment and/or grow the sports facility.  In the post-COVID commercial real estate market, that's a godsend for downtown and the riverfront.  I don't expect there to be a 40-story "Cleveland Clinic Tower" DT overnight, but this appears to be a great start for the city.

 

Isn't there a Cleveland Clinic presence in the BP Building on Euclid at street level? At least, there used to be. Maybe Covid (ironically) killed it.

8 minutes ago, DinaB said:

Independence doesn't care about tree canopy. 

Agreed.  Rockside Road on both sides of I-77 is disgusting with offices/hotels/eateries and abutting parking lots.

52 minutes ago, DinaB said:

 

Isn't there a Cleveland Clinic presence in the BP Building on Euclid at street level? At least, there used to be. Maybe Covid (ironically) killed it.

It’s still there. I use it as my go-to doctors office and and so do plenty of other people. It’s always busy. 

1 hour ago, Down_with_Ctown said:

Another, underrated aspect of this project is that it will be the first time the Cleveland Clinic has established a presence downtown.  That's a big step, and you almost wonder why it took this long.  I think in the long run it will be both good for the Clinic and downtown.  If things go well, it could encourage the Clinic to soak up some downtown commercial real estate/office space to compliment and/or grow the sports facility.  In the post-COVID commercial real estate market, that's a godsend for downtown and the riverfront.  I don't expect there to be a 40-story "Cleveland Clinic Tower" in the CBD overnight, but this appears to be a great start for the city.

 

I'm still trying to get a handle on whether this is the extent of the Clinic's involvement in the Bedrock project. This is a significant project but the architect is Populous. I was told a big medical office building to be designed by Gensler was in the works. I thought that was Clinic too. But since I'm not sure, I didn't put it in the article today.

The facility could easily be designed with an attractive pedestrian friendly exterior by putting the courts in the center of the building. Which I suspect they intend to do with that "double height" section in the middle.

 

There is plenty of opportunity for glassy open exterior. For what it's worth the current practice facility has a certain mullet quality (business in the front, party in the back)

 

https://nikelebron.net/cavaliers_unveil_their_new_training_facility3a_cleveland_clinic_courts/

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=cavs+practice+facility&rlz=1C1GGRV_enUS752US753&oq=cavs+practice+facility&aqs=chrome..69i57.3981j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#ip=1

 

2 hours ago, Mogradal said:

I am getting the feeling rowing sports could be a part of the training at this facility. Would make sense why the kayak launch is basically a part of this build out.

I don't think there will be much in terms of on-the-water rowing facilities at this location. The Cleveland Rowing Foundation boathouse and the Foundry are located down near Merwin's Wharf and are both fairly new. But I could see the rowing clubs potentially using this facility as an indoor training space or the location of an indoor regatta on the rowing machines. Concept2 rowing machines are pretty popular in gyms these days and I'm sure the Cavs training facility will have some for cross-training purposes.

49 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

I'm still trying to get a handle on whether this is the extent of the Clinic's involvement in the Bedrock project. This is a significant project but the architect is Populous. I was told a big medical office building to be designed by Gensler was in the works. I thought that was Clinic too. But since I'm not sure, I didn't put it in the article today.

Any chance newly founded Canon Healthcare USA could be a tenant?

Anyone who has concerns I’d say it encourages players to live downtown instead of the suburbs which in turn creates a bigger market for the  upper scale establishments/living, what’s a bigger sell to a young guy or a guy thats here only for a few years than being a short walk/bike/ride from your practice facility and your stadium. 
 

Also adds to the allure of downtown living, you might see might see player x player around downtown like we see with Terry Francona on his moped blasting around downtown etc. 

 

not to mention the small economic off shoot of reports, etc. looking for a place to stay the night in downtown vs brecksville plus they need to eat 

Edited September 21, 20231 yr by BoomerangCleRes

I believe Shaq lived downtown when he was with the Cavs.

2 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said:

I believe Shaq lived downtown when he was with the Cavs.

And that was short stint and don’t forget Lebron lived in reserve square 

A couple more of the current state: 

 

 

 

16 minutes ago, Sapper Daddy said:

Any chance newly founded Canon Healthcare USA could be a tenant?

 

I'm still thinking they'll end up in the former IBM/Explorys building at East 105th/Cedar. It would fit their current HQ staffing needs of about 200 people. Long term? Who knows.....

Aside from Cleveland whiskey is there a larger group that owns most the land in the south flats or is it still dormant individual land owners?

Edited September 21, 20231 yr by BoomerangCleRes

2 hours ago, KJP said:

Lots more coming to the riverfront.....

 

 

Cavs, Clinic confirm downtown move
By Ken Prendergast / September 21, 2023

 

In a formal announcement made today, the Cleveland Cavaliers, the Cleveland Clinic and Bedrock Real Estate officially unveiled a partnership for and conceptual plans of the Cleveland Clinic Global Peak Performance Center – a first-of-its-kind sports performance center and training facility. Proposed plans include the development of an interdisciplinary training center which would be located on the Cuyahoga River’s waterfront in downtown Cleveland. The center would be the only Cleveland Clinic-backed professional facility to be open to the public.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blog/2023/09/21/cavs-clinic-confirm-downtown-move/

KJP  - I apologize if this is a dumb question - but will the practice court/performance center have any type of access or even visibility from Ontario/Carnegie Ave.

With the eagle ave bridge being demoed - it looks like canal rd is the only access.  Why i am asking is that with everything down below at the riverfront level  - the average out-of-towner or even suburbinite won't even know that this exists down below at that level when driving on Ontario or Carnegie. Will this have any street visibility from that intersection. 

I don't know if it was intended or not, but this project, in this location kind of demands that the major infrastructure issues be addressed, and be addressed right away.  There can be no feet dragging in rebuilding Eagle Ave, or Canal Road.  It also shines a major spotlight on the Thermal Plant.  Once these infrastructure dominoes fall, the rest of the riverfront plan seems like an open runway.  Very exciting.

1 minute ago, BoomerangCleRes said:

Aside from Cleveland whiskey is there a larger group that owns most the land in the south flats or is it still individual land owners?

 

It's a hodgepodge of ownership. Self plug, but here's a good resource for ya: https://gis.cuyahogacounty.us/html5viewer/?viewer=cegis, use the Query/ID tool to select the swath you're interested in.

Like Ken I can't figure out what the plans are for the Clinic and the Cavs. When we first read about it both were combining on a practice facility and a some kind of sports medicine operation and it seemed to be somewhat limited in scope - a few courts and some medical offices. But in reading this latest report I can't tell if it is just flowery writing that seems to promice much more or it REALLY is  much more? Does the Clinic have some grandiose plans to create a facility that will not only pair with the Cavs but also act as some kind of regional sports medicine supported by some real money that will make this a substantial location for patients from the region as well as the necessary physicians and suport staff? It could be a big deal.

I don't know if this is something the Cavs have contemplated but the Washington Capitals hockey team has a practice facility in a dense portion of Arlington, Va. It is also used by a few college teams and offers a range of public uses like freeskate and league play. Naming right also held by a local hospital! https://www.medstarcapitalsiceplex.com/page/show/605961-home

52 minutes ago, simplythis said:

KJP  - I apologize if this is a dumb question - but will the practice court/performance center have any type of access or even visibility from Ontario/Carnegie Ave.

With the eagle ave bridge being demoed - it looks like canal rd is the only access.  Why i am asking is that with everything down below at the riverfront level  - the average out-of-towner or even suburbinite won't even know that this exists down below at that level when driving on Ontario or Carnegie. Will this have any street visibility from that intersection. 

 

From Ontario, via a restored Eagle Avenue ramp, as noted in the article. Since the facility is supposed to be open to the public, I would assume/hope some signage will be provided at the Eagle/Ontario intersection.