January 14, 20241 yr 8 hours ago, LibertyBlvd said: I know. But I'm still worried. Sounds like something we've been conditioned to do. All the high hopes and expectations, only to be disappointed. Sorry, I'm also a Browns fan.
January 14, 20241 yr Author Can we stay focused? If not, perhaps that's the problem... There are always many more failed attempts at building projects than successful ones, no matter what city you're in. Few of us learn about the failed ones in other cities. Most times I hear about the ones here long after they failed. This one was still fresh (aka newsworthy) so that's why I wrote about it. Who knows, after being at the Alpha campus for 10-20 years and having difficulty attracting talent and/or keeping them in the office like Progressive, perhaps they will reconsider a move downtown. That's what's so awesome about the future -- it's full of surprises, good and bad ones, but always interesting. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 14, 20241 yr 7 hours ago, KJP said: Can we stay focused? If not, perhaps that's the problem... There are always many more failed attempts at building projects than successful ones, no matter what city you're in. Few of us learn about the failed ones in other cities. Most times I hear about the ones here long after they failed. This one was still fresh (aka newsworthy) so that's why I wrote about it. Who knows, after being at the Alpha campus for 10-20 years and having difficulty attracting talent and/or keeping them in the office like Progressive, perhaps they will reconsider a move downtown. That's what's so awesome about the future -- it's full of surprises, good and bad ones, but always interesting. That’s kind of what I was thinking. This may not be their final move. If the company is growing this fast, they will soon outgrow the Progressive campus.
January 14, 20241 yr 19 hours ago, Sapper Daddy said: That’s a bummer.. however I’m encouraged to hear the Bibb administration is being proactive in attracting jobs. Bodes well for Cleveland and the metro area as a whole. Bibb is constantly advocating for the city and meeting with different individuals and officials. It’s why he goes out of town as well. He’s now head of a mayor climate conference that he’s trying to bring here.
January 14, 20241 yr In this instance, at least from what I can surmise from Ken's reporting, the two biggest factors hampering Riverview was the "time line" issue (especially since even the basic key infrastructure enhancements have barely begun, with funding for much of this still up in the air) combined with the "perfect storm" of Progressive dumping a ton of nearby office space at the right time. I am guessing they negotiated a pretty favorable deal.
January 26, 20241 yr There’s a push to get the new training center/Clinic Sports Heath facility under construction by May.
February 7, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, GISguy said: Bulkhead work and going to x-post in SHW for those views too. Driving piles for the foundation of the Cavs training facility will be the next step.
February 7, 20241 yr 51 minutes ago, marty15 said: Driving piles for the foundation of the Cavs training facility will be the next step. Hopefully the project gets back to the planning commish soon - those parking lots can't disappear fast enough.
March 1, 20241 yr Author Bedrock riverfront development reference at the end... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 3, 20241 yr Not to pick on Detroit (Cleveland has problems enough of its own), but it appears the Hudson Tower (60-something stories and under very slow construction) has lost is only tenant. Edition Hotels, which had advertised a 2025 Detroit opening in a section of the building, is no longer making any promises. That puts the 685-foot building back to being built on spec. I'm hoping Bedrock doesn't get cold feet on its Cleveland projects based on Detroit results. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
March 4, 20241 yr That's not good. Used to be downtown highrises were built for office space, government abd residential. Now with business downsizing l'm afraid we're left with government and residential. I wonder how much America's skylines will be changing going forward? Slowly l'm afraid.
March 4, 20241 yr Bedrock's riverfront project seems overly optimistic. I'm not sure who will be filling all those buildings. Cleveland isn't exactly a growing, vibrant city. I'm a bit skeptical.
March 4, 20241 yr Author Metro-wide, it's growing slowly, but faster in Cuyahoga County. If we had more housing we could be growing faster... https://neo-trans.blog/2023/12/26/lowest-unemployment-rate-in-23-years/ https://neo-trans.blog/2023/12/12/cuyahoga-countys-economy-surges/ But I share your skepticism of Bedrock. They have big dreams and their reality has yet to match those dreams. They've done a nice job with renovating old buildings. New construction is a different matter. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 26, 20241 yr Cavs unveil a first look at their proposed downtown training complex JOE SCALZO March 26, 2024 Quote On Tuesday, March 26, the city got its first look at that vision as the Cavs, Cleveland Clinic and Bedrock Real Estate revealed the first official renderings of the 210,000-square-foot Cleveland Clinic Global Peak Performance Center, which will be the first vertical development for Bedrock’s $3.5 billion Cuyahoga Riverfront Master Plan. The facility, which is being designed by Populous Studio, will be situated on 35 acres along the east bank of the Cuyahoga River in downtown Cleveland. It is expected to break ground before the end of 2024, pending city approval. https://www.crainscleveland.com/sports-recreation/cavaliers-unveil-renderings-cleveland-clinic-global-peak-performance-center#/
March 26, 20241 yr For those who don't have a Crain's subscription and would like to see more renderings/info. https://www.nba.com/cavaliers/performancecenter
March 26, 20241 yr It looks fine, good even, and as part of a mixed use neighborhood, I see no problem with it. My concern is just that I'm not sure how well it bodes for developing the rest of the riverfront I'd the first thing in is basically closed to the public. The initial mentioned nothing specific about public interaction, and I see nothing about it all in this press release. No real floor plan level anything shown here, but I'd like to see the parking entirely on the other side of Eagle, and put something public and/or mixed use on the bottom level, restaurant, retail, etc.. Not going to happen, but that would be great. Such a cool location on the river, I'd love it to be more accessible to the public. I guess you got to start somewhere, I'm just being pessimistic. Edit: Here is the earlier proposed floor plan. I like the pretty renderings, but I still don't like the floor plan at all, and that's arguably more important. Hopefully they have at least made a few small tweaks, and increased the public use on the first floor. Edited March 26, 20241 yr by Ethan
March 26, 20241 yr ^^If you go to the NBA website it literally says it's open to the public: "In addition to serving as the new home of the Cleveland Cavaliers, the Peak Performance Center will also be open to the public, serving as a vital community asset for all." "The Center plans to offer personalized expertise in training, treatment, nutrition, and recovery from Cleveland Clinic's professional medical specialists." Anyways, this looks amazing. Build it yesterday please 🤩 Edit: here is a quote from the Crain's article on the public facility resources "The center will offer comprehensive care for the general public, including athletes of all sports and levels, the team said. The facility will provide access to testing and high-tech training equipment and devices, along with professionals from a range of specialities, including orthopedic surgery, sports medicine, cardiology, pulmonology, exercise physiology, neurology, nutricon, psychology and genetics." Edited March 26, 20241 yr by Geowizical
March 26, 20241 yr 9 minutes ago, Ethan said: It looks fine, good even, and as part of a mixed use neighborhood, I see no problem with it. My concern is just that I'm not sure how well it bodes for developing the rest of the riverfront I'd the first thing in is basically closed to the public. The initial mentioned nothing specific about public interaction, and I see nothing about it all in this press release. No real floor plan level anything shown here, but I'd like to see the parking entirely on the other side of Eagle, and put something public and/or mixed use on the bottom level, restaurant, retail, etc.. Not going to happen, but that would be great. Such a cool location on the river, I'd love it to be more accessible to the public. I guess you got to start somewhere, I'm just being pessimistic. It does say in the Crains article there will be a public kayak launch and the facility will be open to the public through medical care as well as the Cavs Academy program.
March 26, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, TDi said: It does say in the Crains article there will be a public kayak launch and the facility will be open to the public through medical care as well as the Cavs Academy program. 3 minutes ago, Geowizical said: ^^If you go to the NBA website it literally says it's open to the public: "In addition to serving as the new home of the Cleveland Cavaliers, the Peak Performance Center will also be open to the public, serving as a vital community asset for all." "The Center plans to offer personalized expertise in training, treatment, nutrition, and recovery from Cleveland Clinic's professional medical specialists." Anyways, this looks amazing. Build it yesterday please 🤩 Yeah, they've been saying it will be open to the public since the beginning. I guess I should probably qualify my statement as meaningfully open to the public. I'm skeptical. Between the clinic, and professional athletes, it seems like there's a lot of interest and institutional inertia towards keeping access restricted, even if it is nominally open to the public. I could be wrong, but my suspicion is that it isn't going to the type of building you can just drop in to for an exercise class or something. Hopefully I'm wrong, and worst case scenario at least it's pretty. But it could easily be much better. They're already building over the road, why not move the parking to the other side? Who knows maybe they have, and we just don't have that updated information. I'm hoping for that.
March 26, 20241 yr The renderings seem to show a rebuilt Eagle Avenue bridge behind the facility, connecting up the hill to Gateway. Is that part of this project as well, or just wishful thinking?
March 26, 20241 yr This The Athletic article has a lot of good information and answers many of the questions posed so far today: https://theathletic.com/5369224/2024/03/26/cleveland-cavs-practice-facility-downtown/
March 26, 20241 yr 26 minutes ago, ryanfrazier said: The renderings seem to show a rebuilt Eagle Avenue bridge behind the facility, connecting up the hill to Gateway. Is that part of this project as well, or just wishful thinking? Correct! I believe that connection has always been a part of the plan.
March 26, 20241 yr WELP that explains why the fencing has been moved waaaaay down W3rd. They fenced in the Eagle bridge and further down towards Carnegie. Noticed that a few weeks ago.
March 26, 20241 yr Looks fantastic! Will definitely bring foot traffic to the river. A good first step.
March 26, 20241 yr I think the building itself looks great. The public access element is still vague to me. If this project results in the riverfront pedestrian access shown and connects Eagle Avenue it’ll be a big improvement over the existing parking lot. Another upside of building the practice facility here is that it’ll be more likely for the Cavs to remain at RMFH longer into the future. (I always thought the lease extension that went with the recent publicly-funded renovation should’ve been for more years.)
March 26, 20241 yr Author Just a press release rewrite with some background added New Downtown Cleveland Clinic, Cavs center to see groundbreaking by year’s end By Ken Prendergast / March 26, 2024 Today, the Cleveland Cavaliers, Cleveland Clinic and Bedrock Real Estate revealed the first official renderings of the Cleveland Clinic Global Peak Performance Center. Pending city approvals, groundbreaking on the Cleveland Clinic Global Peak Performance Center is anticipated before the end of 2024. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2024/03/26/new-downtown-cleveland-clinic-cavs-center-to-see-groundbreaking-by-years-end/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 26, 20241 yr Two things stood out to me: “That just aligns with Dan’s vision. He’s always wanted to be downtown,” Altman said. “He thinks that the best cities have thriving downtowns. So he’s always been fascinated with the urban core to live, work and play.” He is preaching with that statement, love to hear it! The new facility was designed by the architecture firm Populous, which also designed Cleveland Browns Stadium more than 25 years ago. Boy they have come a LOOOOOOOOOONG way.
March 26, 20241 yr Yes, it is definitely a huge improvement over what's there now. If the players will be practicing here instead of in Independence, I assume that will result in more income tax revenue for the City of Cleveland.
March 26, 20241 yr 19 minutes ago, MyPhoneDead said: The new facility was designed by the architecture firm Populous, which also designed Cleveland Browns Stadium more than 25 years ago. Boy they have come a LOOOOOOOOOONG way. Populous is the current name of the firm that used to be HOK Sport, which designed stadiums like Camden Yards and Jacobs Field, along with many others. They’ve been one of the most innovative architects of sports facilities of the last 30 years. The Browns stadium was one of their lesser projects.
March 26, 20241 yr The timing of this and the Browns "revelations" is fascinating. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the tabloids start leaning into the Browns vs Cavs: Which organization actually cares about Cleveland? narrative... From Crain's: "One day after the Browns confirmed they may leave the lakefront for Brook Park, Cleveland Cavaliers president of basketball operations Koby Altman stood up at a press conference at Rocket Mortgage FieldHouse, found Cleveland mayor Justin Bibb in the crowd and said, “Mayor Bibb, we’re going to come home to Cleveland.”"
March 26, 20241 yr Fantastic design. Even if Adjaye didn't design it, it's reminiscent of a lot of his work. In a good way. Thrilled to hear we have a 2024 start date. Does anyone have numbers on how many new CC employees will be at this location? I would assume at least a hundred, but is there data on it? Also, will this be the first Cleveland Clinic presence in downtown?
March 26, 20241 yr 13 minutes ago, LlamaLawyer said: Fantastic design. Even if Adjaye didn't design it, it's reminiscent of a lot of his work. In a good way. Thrilled to hear we have a 2024 start date. Does anyone have numbers on how many new CC employees will be at this location? I would assume at least a hundred, but is there data on it? Also, will this be the first Cleveland Clinic presence in downtown? Cleveland Clinic has an express clinic downtown on Euclid near East 4th street
March 26, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, ryanfrazier said: Populous is the current name of the firm that used to be HOK Sport, which designed stadiums like Camden Yards and Jacobs Field, along with many others. They’ve been one of the most innovative architects of sports facilities of the last 30 years. The Browns stadium was one of their lesser projects. HOK is also designing the Clinics 2 CID buildings on Cedar.
March 26, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, ryanfrazier said: Populous is the current name of the firm that used to be HOK Sport, which designed stadiums like Camden Yards and Jacobs Field, along with many others. They’ve been one of the most innovative architects of sports facilities of the last 30 years. The Browns stadium was one of their lesser projects. Let's also remember that Browns stadium was designed and built in a rush.
March 26, 20241 yr It would be awesome if this development somehow gets Scranton Averell to answer their phone. It is just a matter of time that someone will want to build on the land that will be across the river from such an impressive development.
March 27, 20241 yr It would also be awesome if the city could build this in the meantime as part of it.
March 27, 20241 yr Author 1 hour ago, freethink said: It would be awesome if this development somehow gets Scranton Averell to answer their phone. It is just a matter of time that someone will want to build on the land that will be across the river from such an impressive development. I doubt many of their shareholders have ever set foot in Cleveland and if they had, they did so with the help of walkers and wheelchairs. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 27, 20241 yr 10 hours ago, Geowizical said: "In addition to serving as the new home of the Cleveland Cavaliers, the Peak Performance Center will also be open to the public, serving as a vital community asset for all. LeBron to keep him playing into his 50's." "The center will offer comprehensive care for LeBron and athletes of all sports and levels, the team said. The facility will provide access to testing and high-tech training equipment and devices, along with professionals from a range of specialties, including orthopedic surgery, sports medicine, cardiology, pulmonology, exercise physiology, neurology, nutricon, psychology and genetics cloning." Just added some minor edits that sheds a little more light on the Cav's motivation. Edited March 27, 20241 yr by DO_Summers
March 27, 20241 yr 10 hours ago, Luke_S said: Cavs unveil a first look at their proposed downtown training complex JOE SCALZO March 26, 2024 https://www.crainscleveland.com/sports-recreation/cavaliers-unveil-renderings-cleveland-clinic-global-peak-performance-center#/ Yowza, this is better than I could have imagined. Modern and classic at the same time with beautiful lines. This is a stunning piece of work that will greatly enhance the waterfront. Between this and the revamp of RMFH, the Cavs have been on an architectural roll. Good for the Cavs and CC.
March 27, 20241 yr 22 hours ago, Ethan said: Yeah, they've been saying it will be open to the public since the beginning. I guess I should probably qualify my statement as meaningfully open to the public. I'm skeptical. Between the clinic, and professional athletes, it seems like there's a lot of interest and institutional inertia towards keeping access restricted, even if it is nominally open to the public. I could be wrong, but my suspicion is that it isn't going to the type of building you can just drop in to for an exercise class or something. Hopefully I'm wrong, and worst case scenario at least it's pretty. But it could easily be much better. They're already building over the road, why not move the parking to the other side? Who knows maybe they have, and we just don't have that updated information. I'm hoping for that. I’m not sure at all what you are trying to say for you can indeed walk into any CC building during any of their opening hours. To drive the point, unannounced, you can use their food/cafeteria places and even go to the higher floors and take photos of the city and university circle. They even have a Community Center in Quincy and 79th were you can indeed just drop in a get a free workout. Except for the Cavs specific areas I would suspect this will be very similar. Compared to corporate buildings (think the new SHW) most of the CC (and UH too) buildings are like an oasis for the public. This one is going to even have a kayak launch…how cool is that?!
March 27, 20241 yr 15 hours ago, KJP said: I doubt many of their shareholders have ever set foot in Cleveland and if they had, they did so with the help of walkers and wheelchairs. I feel like I heard recently there was a bit of progress in communicating with them. I can't remember if I read that here or if someone told me that... I wish I could remember.
March 27, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, ragarcia said: I’m not sure at all what you are trying to say for you can indeed walk into any CC building during any of their opening hours. To drive the point, unannounced, you can use their food/cafeteria places and even go to the higher floors and take photos of the city and university circle. They even have a Community Center in Quincy and 79th were you can indeed just drop in a get a free workout. Except for the Cavs specific areas I would suspect this will be very similar. Compared to corporate buildings (think the new SHW) most of the CC (and UH too) buildings are like an oasis for the public. This one is going to even have a kayak launch…how cool is that?! Okay, it seems like my intuitions and assumptions about what this building will be may be unfounded, and that's good! If I'm being honest, I still can't quite shake them, but I'll be happy to be proven wrong!
March 27, 20241 yr 16 hours ago, freethink said: It would also be awesome if the city could build this in the meantime as part of it. ^ Always loved it. Does this concept exist in a separate universe from Gilbert's plan?
March 27, 20241 yr Author I do have a question however. What are these buildings?? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
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