November 15, 2024Nov 15 the riverfront is obvious as bedrock can't be expected to fund the river bulkheads upgrades and etc., and bedrock can't build out without that done, so yeah thats thee big one. and so glad to hear cvsr was remembered there, that was a worry. cain park, nasa park and van aken 2 are also very interesting and well worth it for ohio to support developments. we'll see, but its all on point and very good news so far. 🎉
November 15, 2024Nov 15 1 hour ago, KJP said: Boom! Downtown Riverfront entertainment complex, Browns Berea site, others seek TMUDs By Ken Prendergast / November 15, 2024 The next phase of Bedrock’s Downtown Cleveland Riverfront development is proposed to feature a large, 17-story entertainment complex topped by a hotel. Dubbed Rock and Roll Land, it is the largest of seven Northeast Ohio projects and is seeking the largest award possible in the fourth and final authorized round of the Ohio Department of Development’s Transformation Mixed Use Development (TMUD) tax credits. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2024/11/15/downtown-riverfront-entertainment-complex-browns-berea-site-others-seek-tmuds/ Awesome article KJP - This rock & Roll Land with hotel - outside of the hotel What is going to be inside this entertainment complex. This is right on collision bend not too far from the Cav's practuce facility and Global peak performance. This is the site where you had mentioned a shinola hotel a few years ago. Is the Qucken loans office bulding still on? - you have been mentioning that you don't think so AND how about the CONDO's for athletes - Is that still on?
November 16, 2024Nov 16 1 hour ago, DO_Summers said: Rock Hall expansion, Rock and Roll Land. Hmmm, Baby Boomers now identified as the new market inefficiency? Bring back the Hard Rock Casino and Hard Rock Cafe!
November 16, 2024Nov 16 Could Cosm be the entertainment portion of the development? Crain's Cleveland - Dan Gilbert, David Blitzer invest in Cosm entertainment venues
November 16, 2024Nov 16 I think Bedrock has a great chance at this. They are a world class developer with proven results. Dan Gilbert is the greatest sports owner/job creator this town has ever seen. Such a difference from that MAGAdope Haslem who not only wants to take the Browns out of Cleveland proper but also uses his money to influence our elections. Which has brought even greater damage. Also I wonder if the entertainment component of this will be COSM which just announced Detroit as their next location. Edited November 16, 2024Nov 16 by freethink spelling
November 16, 2024Nov 16 18 minutes ago, Luke_S said: Could Cosm be the entertainment portion of the development? Crain's Cleveland - Dan Gilbert, David Blitzer invest in Cosm entertainment venues 16 minutes ago, freethink said: I think Bedrock has a great chance at this. They are a world class developer with proven results. Dan Gilbert is the greatest sports owner/job creator this town has ever seen. Such a difference from that MAGAdope Haslem who not only wants to take the Browns out of Cleveland proper but also uses his money to influence our elections. Which has brought even greater damage. Also I wonder if the entertainment component of this will be COSM which just announced Detroit as their next location. Sounds like you guys hit it on the button and maybe even more expansive with live entertainment as well. Edited November 16, 2024Nov 16 by Htsguy
November 16, 2024Nov 16 5 minutes ago, Htsguy said: Sounds like you guys hit it on the button. if this is it Wow! https://www.cosm.com/the-experience
November 16, 2024Nov 16 Author The theater's name appears to be about 9-10 letters.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 16, 2024Nov 16 19 minutes ago, KJP said: The theater's name appears to be about 9-10 letters.... Live Nation
November 16, 2024Nov 16 22 minutes ago, MyPhoneDead said: Live Nation Live Nation? They are working with Orland Magic on something similar... https://www.thestadiumbusiness.com/2024/10/16/live-nation-brought-in-for-orlandos-westcourt-project/
November 16, 2024Nov 16 7 minutes ago, Willo said: Live Nation? They are working with Orland Magic on something similar... https://www.thestadiumbusiness.com/2024/10/16/live-nation-brought-in-for-orlandos-westcourt-project/ Sounds very identical, that seems to be the best guess I came up with and it's 9-10 letters lol
November 16, 2024Nov 16 Also an outside chance that the Dream Hotel group is involved as this sounds like something similar to those plans with the masonic temple involved. btw Cleveland is still listed as opening in 2026 on Dreams website. Although I do believe that Shinola would be the flag.
November 16, 2024Nov 16 1 hour ago, KJP said: The theater's name appears to be about 9-10 letters.... mostly kidding - but what are the odds they marked this text for redaction but did not apply them in Adobe - just a longshot KJP if the staffer rushed the redaction and sent you the original file without hitting apply.
November 16, 2024Nov 16 Author 16 minutes ago, freethink said: Also an outside chance that the Dream Hotel group is involved as this sounds like something similar to those plans with the masonic temple involved. btw Cleveland is still listed as opening in 2026 on Dreams website. Although I do believe that Shinola would be the flag. Dream is looking elsewhere. Live Nation has had its eye on Cleveland for a long time, going back to 2014 when Stark first sought nuCLEus. 12 minutes ago, Willo said: mostly kidding - but what are the odds they marked this text for redaction but did not apply them in Adobe - just a longshot KJP if the staffer rushed the redaction and sent you the original file without hitting apply. Not rushed. I've been bugging them for months for this stuff. Ohio Dept of Development's PR guy kept telling me they're reviewing the applications for redactions. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 16, 2024Nov 16 7 minutes ago, KJP said: Dream is looking elsewhere. Live Nation has had its eye on Cleveland for a long time, going back to 2014 when Stark first sought nuCLEus. Not rushed. I've been bugging them for months for this stuff. Ohio Dept of Development's PR guy kept telling me they're reviewing the applications for redactions. could the hotel be an EDITION as Gilbert i sputting in his new Hudson skyscraper? https://detroit.urbanize.city/post/edition-hotel-confirmed-hudsons-detroit
November 16, 2024Nov 16 I would be happy with Live Nation for sure. Also I hope Rock and Roll Land is just a working title because that is like Rock-O-Meter bad, or The Creation Museum bad. So if it is Live Nation how about -Live Nation Presents- or something like that. Or just ROCKLAND
November 16, 2024Nov 16 11 minutes ago, urb-a-saurus said: Transfer, the $40MM from Centennial, hehe. seriously - yes!
November 16, 2024Nov 16 With the first phase and this new proposal bordering Ontario, I hope some thought is being given to better connecting, at street level, all this new shiny stuff with the east side of the street and the rest of the south side of downtown. Clearly, significant thoughtful planning will be needed to do it right, as it will be a difficult task. Ontario is basically a wide traffic sewer and not fun to cross. The issue of course is that it is a major gateway into and out of downtown. Just narrowing it might cause a new host of problems. I am no urban planner so I really don't know what the solution might be. I believe part of the plan is a new enclosed walkway between Tower City and the east side, but I would hate to see 90% of pedestrian traffic being regulated to the underground. Also, the walkway would not be particular convenient if you are at the new Clinic facility and other southern sections of the development.
November 17, 2024Nov 17 22 hours ago, freethink said: Also an outside chance that the Dream Hotel group is involved as this sounds like something similar to those plans with the masonic temple involved. btw Cleveland is still listed as opening in 2026 on Dreams website. Although I do believe that Shinola would be the flag. I promise you 100% this is not the Dream hotel. Working with them on another site thats Downtown, and this isn't it.
November 17, 2024Nov 17 14 hours ago, zbaris87 said: I promise you 100% this is not the Dream hotel. Working with them on another site thats Downtown, and this isn't it. I would vote for a surface lot around 6th/St Clair for the Dream.
November 17, 2024Nov 17 The Dream Hotel is going to be a new build, but it is not the skyline changing hotel, and neither is the one announced on the riverfront.
November 17, 2024Nov 17 2 hours ago, Cleburger said: I would vote for a surface lot around 6th/St Clair for the Dream. Now that SHW is nearly completed, the city needs to get cracking on development of those surrounding parcels on W 6th and St Clair.
November 17, 2024Nov 17 52 minutes ago, zbaris87 said: The Dream Hotel is going to be a new build, but it is not the skyline changing hotel, and neither is the one announced on the riverfront. So, that’s three hotels in the works?!? I can hear Blaine Griffin’s head exploding from here. My hovercraft is full of eels
November 17, 2024Nov 17 i think that makes four if you include Whalen’s Ohio City project! And we have long shot plans for Westinghouse and the Hulett Hotel as well
November 17, 2024Nov 17 8 minutes ago, Henke said: i think that makes four if you include Whalen’s Ohio City project! And we have long shot plans for Westinghouse and the Hulett Hotel as well Isn't another hotel planned for Circle Square...where the old MLK library is?
November 17, 2024Nov 17 Author 1 hour ago, Htsguy said: Isn't another hotel planned for Circle Square...where the old MLK library is? Yes "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 17, 2024Nov 17 All these new hotels...what do the operator's know that we don't? I'd be happy to see a skyline changing hotel and call it a day. Can't get too greedy now.
November 17, 2024Nov 17 6 hours ago, zbaris87 said: The Dream Hotel is going to be a new build, but it is not the skyline changing hotel, and neither is the one announced on the riverfront. Thanks for the Dream news but your're killin' us on the mystery of the skyline changing hotel. More clues please. Does it have its own thread yet? If not, it should, or at least hashtag #skylinechanging hotel
November 18, 2024Nov 18 34 minutes ago, Willo said: Thanks for the Dream news but your're killin' us on the mystery of the skyline changing hotel. More clues please. Does it have its own thread yet? If not, it should, or at least hashtag #skylinechanging hotel Let's not make threads about massively speculated development projects that are based on the word of a poster without any evidence.
November 18, 2024Nov 18 But I've already booked a room! I am curious though. How many floors is this hotel to be? I think that much could be revealed
November 18, 2024Nov 18 39 minutes ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said: Let's not make threads about massively speculated development projects that are based on the word of a poster without any evidence. we know - intended as continuation of playful banter on the subject of skyline changing hotel development. When it is announced as zbaris87 implies will happen I am sure it will need a thread.
November 18, 2024Nov 18 2 hours ago, cadmen said: All these new hotels...what do the operator's know that we don't? I'd be happy to see a skyline changing hotel and call it a day. Can't get too greedy now. preparation for the impending Brook Park Super Bowl of course
November 18, 2024Nov 18 1 hour ago, Henke said: preparation for the impending Brook Park Super Bowl of course Just look for the World Class Signage
November 19, 2024Nov 19 Channel 5 detailed info on local TMUD applicants in which KJP broke the story last friday. https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/browns-hq-expansion-cleveland-riverfront-are-among-projects-chasing-state-tax-credits
November 19, 2024Nov 19 Glad to see Bedrock is involving the Metroparks so early in the riverfront development. From: November Board Meeting Agenda
November 19, 2024Nov 19 ^ If the "Memorial Bridges Loop Trail" is what I am remembering correctly, it is a really cool idea.
November 19, 2024Nov 19 29 minutes ago, surfohio said: ^ If the "Memorial Bridges Loop Trail" is what I am remembering correctly, it is a really cool idea. Just imagine this but with all the Bedrock buildings on the left! From: https://www.bikecleveland.org/memorial-bridges-loop/ Edited November 19, 2024Nov 19 by Geowizical
November 19, 2024Nov 19 Crain's story on Bedrock's 17 story building. https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/bedrock-looks-add-17-story-hotel-entertainment-venue-riverfront-project
November 19, 2024Nov 19 Hopefully Bedrock gets the full amount for this project. The Cavs / sports hospital facility is nice, but this is more the kind of thing I was hoping to see on the riverfront. Hopefully it can serve as an anchor for the rest of the proposed apartments / residences and can help push the later phases through the finish line!
November 19, 2024Nov 19 What major project that qualifies for the full $40 Million is Bedrock competing against? I feel that this is the truest definition of transformative, taking a dormant, isolated piece of land and turning it into a vibrant space. This would be the poster child of TMUD.
November 20, 2024Nov 20 7 hours ago, Geowizical said: Just imagine this but with all the Bedrock buildings on the left! From: https://www.bikecleveland.org/memorial-bridges-loop/ what happened to it?
November 20, 2024Nov 20 7 minutes ago, Willo said: what happened to it? Project is fully funded as of January!
November 20, 2024Nov 20 4 minutes ago, Geowizical said: Project is fully funded as of January! Wow - what a visual impact for so little (relative to other projects)
November 20, 2024Nov 20 5 hours ago, Ethan said: Hopefully Bedrock gets the full amount for this project. The Cavs / sports hospital facility is nice, but this is more the kind of thing I was hoping to see on the riverfront. Hopefully it can serve as an anchor for the rest of the proposed apartments / residences and can help push the later phases through the finish line! Yes sir, residential is gonna be key here. But the Cavs and sports facility aspect ties into what I am hoping the City comes to represent for the future: a commitment to community health and wellness.
Create an account or sign in to comment