October 31, 200618 yr 'tis quite okay, I've been lurking here for a while.... my opinions are bound to raise a few ires, no doubt, so I've been very selective in where I've chosen to make my presence known...
October 31, 200618 yr 'tis quite okay, I've been lurking here for a while.... my opinions are bound to raise a few ires, no doubt, so I've been very selective in where I've chosen to make my presence known... As long as you've got something intelligent to say, don't hold back.
October 31, 200618 yr MTS, I guess I should have worded it better. I was trying to BE Chicago... I feel your pain and with all due respect, why does Cleveland need to be like Chicago?? ?? ?? ?? ?? This is not aimed at you my fellow 6'4" brethren, but for all the gripes we have...other cities residents have the same issues and at times their issues (to me seem) worse. There is no "PERFECT UTOPIA". Cleveland needs to be a better [glow=red,2,300] Cleveland [/glow] - NOT A SMALLER CHICAGO - but it can't be until the resident demand better, not just ok...not cool..but forward thinking, inspiring ideas, conversation and followthru, but non of this will happen without better informed/knowledgable residents, business leaders, future business leaders and elected officials. Emulating ideas that worked in Chicago are not necessarily what is best for Cleveland. We have city with a great history and we need to stop bitching about and living in the past, yet learn from the mistakes we made that got us to this point. Hell, Chicago ain't all that and they have a shit load of fucked up, disconnect neighborhoods as well.. just like new New York, just like philly...just like DC and so on and so forth.
October 31, 200618 yr "my opinions are bound to raise a few ires, no doubt..." On a forum with myself, MyTwoSense, ColDayMan (and on and on), I think you'd be fine ;-) Contrarian viewpoints are fine, as long as there's respect. clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
April 23, 200718 yr $75 million face-lift planned for parts of vacant Saint Luke’s By SHANNON MORTLAND 6:00 am, April 23, 2007 Portions of the darkened and shuttered Saint Luke’s Medical Center campus soon will meet the wrecking ball in a $75 million effort to rehabilitate and reuse the 28-acre site in Cleveland’s Buckeye neighborhood. The former 474-bed hospital has sat vacant since its closing in April 1999. However, nonprofit development corporation Neighborhood Progress Inc. has created a plan to turn the site into a community gathering place of sorts. More at: http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20070423/SUB/70420013
April 23, 200718 yr I like how they plan to accomodate the community in part of this project with the renovated auditorium, school and library. Lets hope this project is a success.
April 23, 200718 yr ^NPI has gone to great lengths to make this a neighorhood asset. good point 3231! and as others have pointed out, it "fits" in with the older homes in the neighborhood and i've actually noticed more folks cleaning up and repairing their homes.
April 25, 200718 yr ^ Part of NPI's Strategic Impact Initiative is to infuse investment into concentrated areas anchored by a large-scale project. In this case, Buckeye CDC received funding to funnel directly to homeowners in the couple of blocks surrounding St. Luke's Pointe for exterior repairs and improvements. That's why you see many of the homes looking like they're being fixed up. The City of Cleveland is implementing a similar Model Block program this summer through the CDCs (proposals were submitted last month). If you'd like to know more about it, let me know!
April 25, 200718 yr ^ Part of NPI's Strategic Impact Initiative is to infuse investment into concentrated areas anchored by a large-scale project. In this case, Buckeye CDC received funding to funnel directly to homeowners in the couple of blocks surrounding St. Luke's Pointe for exterior repairs and improvements. That's why you see many of the homes looking like they're being fixed up. The City of Cleveland is implementing a similar Model Block program this summer through the CDCs (proposals were submitted last month). If you'd like to know more about it, let me know! of course we'd like to know.
April 25, 200718 yr ^ Each SPA is slated to have one Model Block, which will consist of either a) 50 homes without an anchor project in place, or b) 100 homes with an anchor project in place or on the horizon. The goal is to rebrand part of each neighborhood $20,000 will be allocated to each model block that is selected by the City. The CDC proposing the model block can use that money at its discretion to assist homeowners will exterior repairs and improvements. The City will give residents of the model block priority in accessing home repair programs, and special, very low-interest loans will be available through other nonprofits. Lastly, CDCs are to pick off vacant and abandoned homes in each model block. An interest-free acquisition loan will be made available to/through the CDC for the rehab, and the portion that may not be recovered in the sale will be forgiven. Special interest rates will be made available to/through the CDC. The City's newly-established Real Estate Division will assist with tracking down property owners, negotiations, and acquisition.
April 29, 200718 yr Cleveland has been a single family home for the longest, we're just getting into the multifamily, row, vertical housing lust other cities have had for years. yes cleveland has been single family home but single family home can also be dense does that or the townhomes at st lukes look more urban to you? and to say that "we're just getting into multi family, vertical, row housing" is stupid. cleveland has had this kind of housing for decades. it USED to have A LOT more but it was all torn down when the city decayed and lost half its population. chicago is mostly single family bungalow homes but its still more urban and has a higher density than cleveland. I wouldn't want Cleveland to look like Miami, Ft. Liquordale, Phoenix, Atlanta, Charlotte, etc. Look at those hideous highrises and premade plywood homes! They are nothing special on the inside, but generic boxes, with a bedroom on either side of the "great room". No character...no charm...no history. You wont see a Belgian Village or Shaker/Moreland Court, lovely buildings on West Blvd., Lake or Clifton in Edgewater or Aparment buildings similar to what you would find on East Blvd. or amazing historical homes in Hough, in any one those towns! To me those cities, IMHO, especially their cores, like SUBURBAN STIP MALLS! and thats exactly why we dont want the whole core leveled to build these suburban developments. otherwise cleveland will be less urban than phoenix in 20 yrs time. cleveland has all this historic architecture that you wont see in those cities, but it keep gettin torn down. Nor do I want to make comparisons to Chicago! I am sick of our penis envy with Chicago! We have a plethora of wonderful new homes in Ohio City, Shaker Square, Univ. Circle, Tremont, Far East (Asian Village), Detroit-Superior, central, or Slavic Village that compliment those respective neighborhoods rather than is built for "shock value" or to say, "hey, look at that (one) great building". no one said we had to be chicago. i want cleveland to be cleveland. but does not suburbanizin our city mean we are tryin to be chicago? whats so hard about planning right and not tearin down everything good about this city? we here on this site can figure it out yet city planners and council cant i personally never want to leave cleveland but if the city keeps tearin itself down and de-urbanizin i will have no choice but to
April 29, 200718 yr Truthfully, looking at the fourth picture down on the first page, the Townhomes at SLP are more dense then thosse two houses. If you look at the site plan on the first page and compare it to the outlines of existing structures they seem to be closer as well and even hide their garages in an alley behind the house. These homes may look suburban, but really it may just be their newness and lack of grit, which I'm fine with because their new!
April 29, 200718 yr and to say that "we're just getting into multi family, vertical, row housing" is stupid. cleveland has had this kind of housing for decades. it USED to have A LOT more but it was all torn down when the city decayed and lost half its population. Was demolition a result of depopulation -- or was depopulation a result of demolition? I'd say the latter, at least initially. Cleveland suffered *a lot* under urban renewal policies in the 1950s and 1960s, and once the cycle began, it began to snowball. Demolition = depopulation = demolition = depopulation etc. I was just looking at some old Sanborn maps of the area around Cleveland State today. Rowhouses and apartment buildings galore, lining every side street. Ironic that CSU, which was responsible for much of the demolition, is now hoping for developers to rebuild dense housing in the exact same places as it tries to become a more residential campus.
April 30, 200718 yr CTownsFinest216, you took my comment wrong. Here it is in its simplest form. Cleveland is now getting into CONDO, MULTI UNITE, HIGH RISE, DENSE residential building. The majority of housing stock is single family OR detached (whether single or double family )homes. Understand now?
May 9, 200718 yr Was demolition a result of depopulation -- or was depopulation a result of demolition? I'd say the latter, at least initially. Cleveland suffered *a lot* under urban renewal policies in the 1950s and 1960s, and once the cycle began, it began to snowball. Demolition = depopulation = demolition = depopulation etc. you're completely right, which makes it even sadder i would love to see pictures of what cleveland's neighborhoods looked like back in 20s, 30s, and 40s but it would probably just depress me even further whats so hard about building up to the street? i guess in 2007 that concept of urban planning makes too much sense. a bigger problem though is the fact that there are so many areas of cleveland that are just bombed out, looks downright rural yet is 5 miles from downtown. cincinnati may have lost population but at least it didnt lose its great architecture and is built up right around the CBD
May 9, 200718 yr I've posted a few of them. Here's some of my favorites... http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=2327.msg21836#msg21836 http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=2047.0 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 9, 200718 yr ^^Thanks for posting that KJP...I think sometimes we just need to be reminded of what once was. My family owned a music store (Costello's Music) on 105th and Euclid . Even though we were one of the last to hold out we had to finally sell in 1971, 3 years of no profit was too much. The building was knocked down shortly after. The pictures of the vibrant neighborhoods where the freeways currently are depress me the most.
May 9, 200718 yr and to say that "we're just getting into multi family, vertical, row housing" is stupid. cleveland has had this kind of housing for decades. it USED to have A LOT more but it was all torn down when the city decayed and lost half its population. Was demolition a result of depopulation -- or was depopulation a result of demolition? I'd say the latter, at least initially. Cleveland suffered *a lot* under urban renewal policies in the 1950s and 1960s, and once the cycle began, it began to snowball. Demolition = depopulation = demolition = depopulation etc. I was just looking at some old Sanborn maps of the area around Cleveland State today. Rowhouses and apartment buildings galore, lining every side street. Ironic that CSU, which was responsible for much of the demolition, is now hoping for developers to rebuild dense housing in the exact same places as it tries to become a more residential campus. that's a very interesting way to look at it. i had always assumed the depopulation was almost entirely driven by the uncreative over-focus on rust-belt industry. but cleveland's pop peak declined before that happened, partly as a result of what you say and perhaps partly due to the generally strong post-war support of suburban living. of course when we get to the 1970's and forward depopulation really took off as there was very poor leadership and a real avalanche of other reasons.
May 9, 200718 yr ^Anyone have free academic access to JSTOR? I've been dying to read this article from the March 1931 issue of the Journal of the American Statistical Association: http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0162-1459(193203)27%3A177%3C80%3ACACOAT%3E2.0.CO%3B2-4. The upshot seems to be that cities were hollowing out even then, but the trend was not noticeable overall because of continued growth within city limits, but outside the center. For example, Manhattan's population declined by 18% during the 20s. Nothing really surprising here I guess (I suppose all US cities were just little Columbus's back then), but would be a fun read considering the authors had no idea then just how much US cities would decline.
May 10, 200718 yr Anyone have free academic access to JSTOR? I've been dying to read this article from the March 1931 issue of the Journal of the American Statistical Association: FYI, if you have a Cleveland Public Library card, <a href="http://cpl.org/databases.asp?action=dball#J">you can access the JSTOR archives</a> (and other databases) from the comfort of your own computer, gratis.
May 10, 200718 yr yea i saw those threads when they were posted KJP. very sad images...... the photos of hough really tell the story this for example looks like it could be in NYC i think the saddest part for me in these photos is the street car lines that were stopped
November 19, 200717 yr Saint Luke's Foundation gives $1 million grant for Buckeye neighborhood Foundation gives $1 million grant Monday, November 19, 2007 Barb Galbincea, Plain Dealer Reporter The Saint Luke's Foundation will continue its investment in the Buckeye neighborhood with a $1 million grant to be announced today. The grant to ParkWorks, a nonprofit group that promotes civic vitality through parks and public spaces, will be used to create walking trails, an outdoor reading garden, public-art displays and performance areas for community residents ... ... More at http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/1195465163290381.xml&coll=2
November 19, 200717 yr Anyone have free academic access to JSTOR? In addition to the above choices, I am glad to help with all reference requests. I am a librarian.
November 19, 200717 yr Thanks Math. I've improved my situation and have JSTOR access now, but it's good to have someone on board who knows how to find stuff!
July 21, 200915 yr While the new construction housing is still a ways off (Pointe), work on the old hospital should begin in November. It will be renovated for senior housing with an emphasis on "active lifestyles". The entire project is called the St. Luke's campus. Currently, a new CMSD school and a new public library branch are being constructed on the old surface parking lots to the immediate east of the hospital. RTA has started the design work on a new rapid station (aiming for LEED cert.) that will replace the old E.116 station. Care was taken to integrate the entire campus into the neighborhood (as much as possible). The idea is that each of the individual projects will benefit from the proximity to each other. There will be new walkways that cut through the entire campus. The paths will make logical connections between the adjacent neighborhoods, school, library and the new entrance to the RTA station. In a later phase, the old St. Luke's auditorium (inside the old hospital) will be renovated and open to public use. The site plan includes pathways from the auditorium entrance that directly connect to the school, library, RTA stop and new housing. Lastly, there will be some very cool public art that will be distributed throughout the campus. Take a look at this website for more info: http://www.clevelandpublicart.org/projects/completed/saint-lukes-pointe PS the idea is that the for-sale housing component will re-initiate after the St. Luke's campus is completed. All financing has been lined up for the campus. The Campus and the Pointe are aiming for LEED-ND.
July 23, 200915 yr Sounds awesome. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 29, 200915 yr Sounds very good. Glad to see the doggeared Dudley P. Allen memorial building spring back to life -- it's such a historical landmark/beauty (and I have a brother who was born there). I really think this area has good growth/TOD potential. I wish we could have a "do over" and tear down those near useless, 1-story buildings adjacent to the Rapid, like that awful Social Security admin building. Hopefully, the redirection of the St. Luke's project will be a positive neighborhood catalyst.
July 29, 200915 yr Sounds very good. Glad to see the doggeared Dudley P. Allen memorial building spring back to life -- it's such a historical landmark/beauty (and I have a brother who was born there). I really think this area has good growth/TOD potential. I wish we could have a "do over" and tear down those near useless, 1-story buildings adjacent to the Rapid, like that awful Social Security admin building. Hopefully, the redirection of the St. Luke's project will be a positive neighborhood catalyst. I kind of like the 50s buildings, but wish they were higher and didn't have parking.
February 8, 201114 yr After 18 months with nothing, it's back! Old St. Luke's hospital in Cleveland set for rebirth; developers to start construction on 72 apartments Published: Monday, February 07, 2011, 10:00 PM By Michelle Jarboe, The Plain Dealer CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A Cleveland landmark that witnessed decades of births and deaths will finally see new life, as a long-awaited project begins in the Buckeye neighborhood. Construction will start this week on apartments in the former St. Luke's Medical Center, a U-shaped brick building that has been vacant since 1999. The building's central wing will house 72 apartments for the elderly, financed through a $22 million deal that local nonprofit group Neighborhood Progress Inc. and private developer Pennrose Properties expect to close Tuesday. Renovating the entire hospital will be a $53 million, three-phase project, which could be finished in 2013. READ MORE AT: http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2011/02/former_st_lukes_hospital_in_cl.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 8, 201114 yr Yes, I'm very glad a lot of projects that were stalled by the Great Recession are moving forward again. That's the big difference with the Great Depression in Cleveland. It was nearly 30 years after the Great Depression started before we saw major development projects in the central city again. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 8, 201114 yr I've driven by many times and wanted to do some urban exploring in this building. Oh well, it's good that this is moving forward.
February 8, 201114 yr Tons of great news in that article, St. Luke's is also getting a new rail station.
February 8, 201114 yr fantastic. I took a bunch of my friends for a tour of the city.. and accidentally drove by it. I'm not an east-sider so I was pretty speachless and dumbfounded.. couldn't believe it was empty. BUT now I get to email all of them and give em a big "HAHA" ;) sweeet! and its right next to the rapid. wow
February 13, 201114 yr Some new pics from the site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jjames0408/sets/72157626034876696/
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