Posted March 24, 201213 yr Rankings based on employment/jobs info from the BLS. All numbers are for metros. Ohio January 2012 Unemployment Rate: 7.7% January 2012 Unemployment Rate, best to worst. 1. Columbus: 7.3% 2. Cleveland: 8.1% 3. Akron: 8.4% 4. Cincinnati: 8.4% 5. Dayton: 8.8% 6. Youngstown: 9.3% 7. Toledo: 9.5% First, January 2011 to January 2012. Total Civilian Labor Force Change, best to worst. 1. Cleveland: +14,500 2. Youngstown: -3,000 3. Dayton: -3,800 4. Toledo: -8,300 5. Columbus: -9,500 6. Akron: -12,800 7. Cincinnati: -14,600 Total Employment Change, best to worst. 1. Cleveland: +19,100 2. Cincinnati: +3,700 3. Dayton: +2,700 4. Columbus: +2,700 5. Youngstown: +2,500 6. Toledo: -1,600 7. Akron: -6,400 Total Unemployment Change, best to worst. 1. Cincinnati: -18,200 2. Columbus: -12,100 3. Dayton: -7,600 4. Toledo: -6,700 5. Akron: -6,500 6. Youngstown: -5,400 7. Cleveland: -4,900 Total Unemployment Rate Change, best to worst. Toledo: -1.9 Youngstown: -1.9 Dayton: -1.8 Cincinnati: -1.6 Akron: -1.5 Columbus: -1.2 Cleveland: -0.5 Total Non-Farm Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Cincinnati: +20,300 2. Columbus: +14,700 3. Dayton: +7,300 4. Youngstown: +4,900 5. Toledo: +4,700 6. Cleveland: +4,300 7. Akron: +600 Total Mining/Logging/Construction Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Columbus: +2,200 2. Cincinnati: +900 3. Akron: +400 4. Toledo: +300 5. Youngstown: 0 6. Dayton: -300 7. Cleveland: -700 Total Manufacturing Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Cincinnati: +6,400 2. Cleveland: +2,800 3. Toledo: +1,600 4. Akron: +1,600 5. Youngstown: +700 6. Columbus: -200 7. Dayton: -400 Total Trade/Transporation/Utilities Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Columbus: +3,600 2. Cleveland: +3,000 3. Cincinnati: +2,000 4. Akron: +1,300 5. Toledo: +1,300 6. Dayton: +900 7. Youngstown: +500 Total Information Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Columbus: +100 2. Toledo: 0 3. Youngstown: 0 4. Akron: -100 5. Dayton: -100 6. Cincinnati: -200 7. Cleveland: -500 Total Financial Acitivities Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Columbus: +1,700 2. Cleveland: +800 3. Akron: 0 4. Dayton: 0 5. Youngstown: 0 6. Toledo: -200 7. Cincinnati: -3,500 Total Professional and Business Services Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Dayton: +4,700 2. Cincinnati: +3,000 3. Columbus: +2,300 4. Toledo: +1,200 5. Youngstown: +800 6. Cleveland: +600 7. Akron: -600 Total Education and Health Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Columbus: +9,900 2. Cincinnati: +4,100 3. Youngstown: +1,800 4. Dayton: +1,100 5. Akron: +100 6. Toledo: +100 7. Cleveland: -2,300 Total Leisure and Hospitality Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Cincinnati: +8,500 2. Dayton: +2,300 3. Columbus: +1,500 4. Toledo: +1,500 5. Youngstown: +800 6. Akron: -2,200 7. Cleveland: -2,600 Total Other Services Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Columbus: +400 2. Dayton: +100 3. Cincinnati: 0 4. Toledo: 0 5. Youngstown: 0 6. Akron: -200 7. Cleveland: -200 Total Government Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Youngstown: +300 2. Akron: -900 3. Cincinnati: -900 4. Dayton: -1,000 5. Toledo: -1,100 6. Cleveland: -4,200 7. Columbus: -5,900
March 24, 201213 yr And now for the jobs/emploment changes from January 2007 (prior to recession start) to January 2012. This data shows the full extent, really, of how the recession hit the state. Again, the numbers are for metros. January 2007 to January 2012 Total Civilian Labor Force Change, best to worst. 1. Columbus: +7,800 2. Cleveland: -9,000 3. Youngstown: -10,900 4. Cincinnati: -13,400 5. Akron: -15,600 6. Dayton: -16,100 7. Toledo: -19,400 Total Employment Change, best to worst. 1. Columbus: -14,700 2. Youngstown: -16,200 3. Dayton: -22,200 4. Toledo: -22,900 5. Akron: -23,700 6. Cleveland: -25,900 7. Cincinnati: -43,800 Total Unemployment Change, best to worst. 1. Toledo: +3,500 2. Youngstown: +5,300 3. Dayton: +6,100 4. Akron: +8,100 5. Cleveland: +16,800 6. Columbus: +22,600 7. Cincinnati: +30,500 Total Unemployment Rate Change, best to worst. 1. Toledo: +1.5 2. Cleveland: +1.6 3. Dayton: +1.8 4. Youngstown: +2.3 5. Akron: +2.4 6. Columbus: +2.4 7. Cincinnati: +2.9 Total Non-Farm Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Columbus: -13,700 2. Youngstown: -14,200 3. Akron: -20,800 4. Dayton: -22,000 5. Toledo: -23,600 6. Cincinnati: -40,400 7. Cleveland: -84,700 Total Mining/Logging/Construction Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Youngstown: -1,900 2. Akron: -3,000 3. Toledo: -3,800 4. Dayton: -3,900 5. Columbus: -8,600 6. Cleveland: -9,700 7. Cincinnati: -13,000 Total Manufacturing Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Youngstown: -6,600 2. Akron: -7,700 3. Toledo: -8,200 4. Dayton: -11,300 5. Cincinnati: -11,600 6. Columbus: -14,200 7. Cleveland: -23,800 Total Trade/Transportation/Utilities Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Toledo: -4,500 2. Akron: -5,400 3. Dayton: -5,400 4. Youngstown: -6,100 5. Columbus: -9,500 6. Cincinnati: -15,300 7. Cleveland: -21,200 Total Information Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Toledo: -400 2. Akron: -800 3. Youngstown: -1,000 4. Cincinnati: -1,500 5. Columbus: -2,000 6. Dayton: -2,400 7. Cleveland: -3,500 Total Financial Activities Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Akron: -700 2. Youngstown: -900 3. Toledo: -1,800 4. Columbus: -2,700 5. Dayton: -3,000 6. Cincinnati: -4,900 7. Cleveland: -7,900 Total Professional and Business Services Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Columbus: +4,200 2. Youngstown: +1,600 3. Cincinnati: +1,300 4. Toledo: +100 5. Dayton: -800 6. Akron: -1,600 7. Cleveland: -8,700 Total Education and Health Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Columbus: +27,000 2. Cleveland: +13,400 3. Cincinnati: +11,000 4. Dayton: +5,000 5. Akron: +4,400 6. Youngstown: +2,900 7. Toledo: +1,600 Total Leisure and Hospitality Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Cincinnati: +3,300 2. Dayton: +700 3. Toledo: +100 4. Columbus: -800 5. Youngstown: -900 6. Akron: -4,100 7. Cleveland: -9,400 Total Other Services Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Akron: -600 2. Youngstown: -600 3. Dayton: -900 4. Toledo: -1,700 5. Columbus: -1,900 6. Cincinnati: -2,400 7. Cleveland: -2,700 Total Government Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Dayton: 0 2. Youngstown: -700 3. Akron: -1,300 4. Toledo: -5,000 5. Columbus: -5,200 6. Cincinnati: -7,300 7. Cleveland: -11,200 So there they are. Keep in mind these are just raw numbers. To get a better impression of how the metros are doing, especially in comparison to one another, you'd need the % changes to the total labor force. If I get around to it, I'll get those posted too.
March 24, 201213 yr Thank you for that! "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
March 24, 201213 yr Some many job numbers from so many sources. The discussion I've linked to here http://www.urbanophile.com/2012/03/15/metro-job-recovery-in-2011/#comments, makes the point about the confusion of jobs numbers being thrown around today. Here are the net number of jobs added or lost in the last twelve months. Again, the numbers are for metros. Cincinnati +18,200 Columbus +13,900 Cleveland -3,700 Here are the total number of "non-farm wage and salary" jobs as of January 2012 Cincinnati 982,000 Columbus 912,400 Cleveland 968,100 So there they are. Remember these numbers are official and not-seasonally adjusted. Still, a job is a job.
March 24, 201213 yr I always expect to see Columbus completely rocking out on these things (in a relative sense). But apparently that's not exactly the case.
March 24, 201213 yr I always expect to see Columbus completely rocking out on these things (in a relative sense). But apparently that's not exactly the case. Apparently, neither Columbus nor Indianapolis have proven to be the "wunderkinds" that they were so tooted to be in the early 2000's, while Cincinnati is quietly coming on stronger and stronger. Cleveland is yet another story. It's coming back very strong, but with too much fanfare and premature congratulations.
March 24, 201213 yr Some many job numbers from so many sources. The discussion I've linked to here http://www.urbanophile.com/2012/03/15/metro-job-recovery-in-2011/#comments, makes the point about the confusion of jobs numbers being thrown around today. Here are the net number of jobs added or lost in the last twelve months. Again, the numbers are for metros. Cincinnati +18,200 Columbus +13,900 Cleveland -3,700 Here are the total number of "non-farm wage and salary" jobs as of January 2012 Cincinnati 982,000 Columbus 912,400 Cleveland 968,100 So there they are. Remember these numbers are official and not-seasonally adjusted. Still, a job is a job. Funny, based on your link I read the the urbanophile posting after reviewing the latest BLS release, and then saw in the comments section that you raised exactly the same issues I would have. I agree with you completely that the averaged annual number is a very bizarre metric for looking at short term trends, and I thought it was incredibly annoying that his table wasn't clearly labeled. So, I'm still confused which source you're using. When I look at the CES-derived metro-organized data from the BLS site for Jan11-Jan12, I get slightly different non-farm employment change numbers from you. For example, Columbus: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/SMU39181400000000001?data_tool=XGtable I see an increase in employment of 14.7k. Are you using a different time period or data set? jbcmh81, I'm completely confused about your data. The recent BLS release showed, for instance Jan11-Jan12 non-farm employment "growth" in the Cleveland MSA to be -3.3k (baked into this http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/SMU39174600000000001?data_tool=XGtable) What source(s) did you use to find a large increase in employment in the Cleveland MSA? What is the difference in your data between employment and jobs? Rankings based on employment/jobs info from the BLS. All numbers are for metros. Total Employment Change, best to worst. 1. Cleveland: +19,100 2. Cincinnati: +3,700 3. Dayton: +2,700 4. Columbus: +2,700 5. Youngstown: +2,500 6. Toledo: -1,600 7. Akron: -6,400 ... Total Non-Farm Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Cincinnati: +20,300 2. Columbus: +14,700 3. Dayton: +7,300 4. Youngstown: +4,900 5. Toledo: +4,700 6. Cleveland: +4,300 7. Akron: +600
March 24, 201213 yr I always expect to see Columbus completely rocking out on these things (in a relative sense). But apparently that's not exactly the case. Apparently, neither Columbus nor Indianapolis have proven to be the "wunderkinds" that they were so tooted to be in the early 2000's, while Cincinnati is quietly coming on stronger and stronger. Cleveland is yet another story. It's coming back very strong, but with too much fanfare and premature congratulations. Some things to consider from the numbers about about Columbus in relation to other cities: 1. It lost the fewest number of non-farm jobs in the 5-year period of any of the major metros, even though it's significantly larger in population than all but Cleveland and Cincinnati. 2. Cincinnati lost almost 4x more and Cleveland about 7x more non-farm jobs, and their strong recovery (well, not so much Cleveland if you look at all the numbers) has to be balanced by the fact that they both have much further to recover to pre-recession levels. 3. Columbus saw more job catergory gains in the last year than any other metro, even if the total amount of jobs gained was 2nd. 4. Columbus was the only metro to see it's labor force grow during the last 5 years, yet it still maintained the lowest unemployment rates. 5. Columbus seems to be booming in health/education jobs. 9,900 in just the last year is amazing. Health and education was the one catergory that every metro grew in over the last 5 years. Columbus' 27,000 new jobs in this catergory was more than 2x the next metro, Cleveland, which has made a reputation out of health care. So the news isn't really all that bad. In any case, I'll try to get the percentages up later today. That will give a better picture, I think. Expect to see smaller cities like Youngstown doing very well in recovery.
March 24, 201213 yr jbcmh81, I'm completely confused about your data. The recent BLS release showed, for instance Jan11-Jan12 non-farm employment "growth" in the Cleveland MSA to be -3.3k (baked into this http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/SMU39174600000000001?data_tool=XGtable) What source(s) did you use to find a large increase in employment in the Cleveland MSA? What is the difference in your data between employment and jobs? For the year over year period, January 2011 to January 2012: Employment in Cleveland January 2011: 972.5 Employment in Cleveland January 2012: 991.6 Change: +19,100
March 24, 201213 yr Every year since 2007 showed losses or gains to make up the final 2007-2012 total. Here is the year over year breakdown for each metro for Non-Farm Jobs. The numbers are, again, from from January to January. Akron 2007-2008: +3,800 2008-2009: -12,100 2009-2010: -15,200 2010-2011: +3,300 2011-2012: -600 2007-2012: -20,800 Cincinnati 2007-2008: +10,100 2008-2009: -35,700 2009-2010: -38,200 2010-2011: +3,100 2011-2012: +20,300 2007-2012: -40,400 Cleveland 2007-2008: -2,900 2008-2009: -40,600 2009-2010: -40,100 2010-2011: +2,200 2011-2012: -3,300 2007-2012: -84,700 Columbus 2007-2008: +6,000 2008-2009: -21,000 2009-2010: -26,800 2010-2011: +13,400 2011-2012: +14,700 2007-2012: -13,700 Dayton 2007-2008: -1,900 2008-2009: -19,200 2009-2010: -12,500 2010-2011: +4,300 2011-2012: +7,300 2007-2012: -22,000 Toledo 2007-2008: -5,300 2008-2009: -18,200 2009-2010: -9,000 2010-2011: +4,200 2011-2012: +4,700 2007-2012: -23,600 Youngstown 2007-2008: -3,000 2008-2009: -14,400 2009-2010: -3,200 2010-2011: +1,500 2011-2012: +4,900 2007-2012: -14,200
March 24, 201213 yr And now for the changes in total non-farm wages and salary jobs for the year over year period, January 2011 to January 2012 with links to actual source data: Employment in Cleveland January 2011: 971.4 Employment in Cleveland January 2012: 968.1 Change: -3,300 http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/SMU39174600000000001?data_tool=XGtable Employment in Cincinnati January 2011: 962.1 Employment in Cincinnati Janaury 2012: 982.4 Change: +20,300 http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/SMU39171400000000001?data_tool=XGtable Employment in Columbus January 2011: 897.0 Employment in Columbus January 2012: 912.4 Change: +15,400 http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/SMU39181400000000001?data_tool=XGtable There you have it. Remember these are for metros and are seasonally unadjusted.
March 24, 201213 yr This article, http://cincinnati.com/blogs/economics/2012/03/21/progress-report-labor-market-recovery/, makes the point that employment bottomed in the first quarter of 2009 and is best measured from then to now to understand today's 'new normal" in labor markets. This means that finance, media, construction, leisure and hospitality, and retail will be permanently smaller parts of total employment than they've been, while the future of eds and meds, and government jobs remain to be seen given the revolutionary changes that will certainly come in taxes and govnernment spending in the years ahead. So, here are the total employment numbers from January 2009 to January 2012 suggesting how some metro's have responded as businesses and governments have become increasingly aware of the new economy within which they are operating. Within these numbers are people moving from old jobs that have ended to new ones recently created along with those in surviving jobs. Understanding these differences would help as well. Employment in Cincinnati January 2009: 997.2 Employment in Cincinnati January 2012: 982.4 Change: -14,800 Employment in Columbus January 2009: 911.1 Employment in Columbus January 2012: 912.4 Change: +1,300 Employment in Cleveland January 2009: 1,009.3 Employment in Cleveland January 2012: 968.1 Change: -41,200 Employment in Indianapolis January 2009, 874.4 Employment in Indianapolis January 2012, 868.2 Change, -6,200
March 24, 201213 yr And now for the changes in total non-farm wages and salary jobs for the year over year period, January 2011 to January 2012 with links to actual source data: Employment in Cleveland January 2011: 971.4 Employment in Cleveland January 2012: 968.1 Change: -3,300 http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/SMU39174600000000001?data_tool=XGtable Employment in Cincinnati January 2011: 962.1 Employment in Cincinnati Janaury 2012: 982.4 Change: +20,300 http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/SMU39171400000000001?data_tool=XGtable Employment in Columbus January 2011: 897.0 Employment in Columbus January 2012: 912.4 Change: +15,400 http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/SMU39181400000000001?data_tool=XGtable There you have it. Remember these are for metros and are seasonally unadjusted. This information was already posted above.
March 24, 201213 yr Interesting to note Cincinnati's massive increase in gains from 2009-2010 (3,100) to 2010-2011 (20,300). Hopefully the latter number is what continues next year. Also, shocking how even with losses, Cincinnati has now passed Cleveland as the largest Job Metro. If things stay "steady": Columbus will reach pre-recession Metro jobs by the end of 2012, Cincinnati by the end of 2013 Dayton by ~2015 Everyone else, who knows. Of course, the likelihood of anything staying consistent year to year is very small- And with unemployment in the state dropping, jobless claims dropping, and things generally seeming to get better, I'd hope all OH metro's show job gains in 2012.
March 24, 201213 yr I'm not aware of any rule against presenting information in different forms if it is relevant to the thread. Any particular information can be presented in different ways with different emphasis to help in understanding.
March 24, 201213 yr Here are the percentage changes, first for January 2011 to January 2012, by metro. Percentages may be a bit more accurate picture of recovery because it's not based on metro size, but change relative to the invidual labor force. Civilian Labor Force Change, best to worst. 1. Dayton: -0.9% 2. Columbus: -1.0% 3. Youngstown: -1.1% 4. Cincinnati: -1.3% 5. Cleveland: -1.4% 6. Toledo: -2.6% 7. Akron: -3.4% Total Employment Change, best to worst. 1. Cleveland: +2.0% 2. Dayton: +1.0% 3. Youngstown: +1.0% 4. Cincinnati: +0.4% 5. Columbus: +0.3% 6. Toledo: -0.6% 7. Akron: -1.9% Total Unemployment Change, best to worst. 1. Toledo: -18.2% 2. Youngstown: -18.0% 3. Dayton: -17.5% 4. Akron: -17.4% 5. Cincinnati: -16.6% 6. Columbus: -14.9% 7. Cleveland: -5.0% Total Non-Farm Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Cincinnati: +2.3% 2. Youngstown: +2.3% 3. Dayton: +2.0% 4. Columbus: +1.6% 5. Toledo: +1.6% 6. Akron: -0.2% 7. Cleveland: -0.3% Mining/Logging/Construction Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Columbus: +8.8% 2. Akron: +4.2% 3. Toledo: +3.1% 4. Cincinnati: +2.7% 5. Youngstown: 0% 6. Cleveland: -2.5% 7. Dayton: -3.1% Manufacturing Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Cincinnati: +6.2% 2. Akron: +4.2% 3. Toledo: +4.2% 4. Cleveland: +2.4% 5. Youngstown: +2.4% 6. Columbus: -0.3% 7. Dayton: -1.0% Trade/Transportation/Utilities Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Toledo: +2.3% 2. Akron: +2.1% 3. Columbus: +2.0% 4. Cleveland: +1.7% 5. Dayton: +1.5% 6. Youngstown: +1.1% 7. Cincinnati: +1.0% Information Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Columbus: +0.6% 2. Toledo: 0% 3. Youngstown: 0% 4. Dayton: -1.2% 5. Cincinnati: -1.4% 6. Akron: -2.6% 7. Cleveland: -3.2% Financial Activities Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Columbus: +2.4% 2. Cleveland: +1.2% 3. Akron: 0% 4. Dayton: 0% 5. Youngstown: 0% 6. Toledo: -1.8% 7. Cincinnati: -5.5% Professional and Business Services Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Dayton: +10.2% 2. Toledo: +3.8% 3. Youngstown: +3.8% 4. Cincinnati: +2.0% 5. Columbus: +1.6% 6. Cleveland: +0.5% 7. Akron: -1.3% Education and Health Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Columbus: +7.1% 2. Youngstown: +4.2% 3. Cincinnati: +2.8% 4. Dayton: +1.6% 5. Akron: +0.2% 6. Toledo: +0.2% 7. Cleveland: -1.2% Leisure and Hospitality Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Cincinnati: +9.0% 2. Dayton: +6.7% 3. Toledo: +5.1% 4. Youngstown: +4.0% 5. Columbus: +1.8% 6. Cleveland: -3.2% 7. Akron: -8.0% Other Services Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Columbus: +1.2% 2. Dayton: +0.7% 3. Cincinnati: 0% 4. Toledo: 0% 5. Youngstown: 0% 6. Cleveland: -0.5% 7. Akron: -1.5% Government Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Youngstown: +1.0% 2. Cincinnati: -0.7% 3. Dayton: -1.5% 4. Akron: -1.9% 5. Toledo: -2.3% 6. Cleveland: -3.2% 7. Columbus: -3.7%
March 24, 201213 yr And finally, the percentage changes for January 2007 to January 2012. Civilian Lavor Force Change, best to worst. 1. Columbus: +0.8% 2. Cleveland: -0.8% 3. Cincinnati: -1.2% 4. Dayton: -3.8% 5. Youngstown: -3.9% 6. Akron: -4.1% 7. Toledo: -5.8% Total Employment Change, best to worst. 1. Columbus: -1.6% 2. Cleveland: -2.5% 3. Cincinnati: -4.2% 4. Dayton: -5.6% 5. Youngstown: -6.3% 6. Akron: -6.6% 7. Toledo: -7.4% Total Unemployment Change, best to worst. 1. Toledo: +13.1% 2. Dayton: +20.5% 3. Cleveland: +23.8% 4. Youngstown: +27.5% 5. Akron: +35.5% 6. Columbus: +48.8% 7. Cincinnati: +50.0% Total Non-Farm Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Columbus: -1.5% 2. Cincinnati: -3.9% 3. Dayton: -5.5% 4. Youngstown: -6.0% 5. Akron: -6.3% 6. Toledo: -7.4% 7. Cleveland: -8.8% Mining/Logging/Construction Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Youngstown: -20.7% 2. Akron: -23.3% 3. Columbus: -24.0% 4. Cleveland: -26.5% 5. Cincinnati: -27.5% 6. Toledo: -27.5% 7. Dayton: -29.1% Manufacturing Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Cincinnati: -9.6% 2. Akron: -16.3% 3. Cleveland: -16.5% 4. Toledo: -17.0% 5. Youngstown: -17.8% 6. Columbus: -18.4% 7. Dayton: -22.4% Trade/Transportation/Utilities Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Columbus: -5.0% 2. Toledo: -7.2% 3. Cincinnati: -7.3% 4. Dayton: -7.9% 5. Akron: -8.0% 6. Cleveland: -10.7% 7. Youngstown: -11.8% Information Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Cincinnati: -9.8% 2. Toledo: -10.5% 3. Columbus: -10.7% 4. Akron: -17.8% 5. Cleveland: -19.0% 6. Dayton: -19.8% 7. Youngstown: -30.3% Financial Activities Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Columbus: -3.6% 2. Akron: -4.9% 3. Cincinnati: -7.5% 4. Youngstown: -9.4% 5. Cleveland: -10.8% 6. Toledo: -14.2% 7. Dayton: -15.1% Professional and Business Services Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Youngstown: +8.0% 2. Columbus: +2.9% 3. Cincinnati: +0.9% 4. Toledo: +0.3% 5. Dayton: -1.6% 6. Akron: -3.3% 7. Cleveland: -6.2% Education and Health Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Columbus: +24.9% 2. Akron: +9.6% 3. Cincinnati: +7.9% 4. Cleveland: +7.8% 5. Dayton: +7.6% 6. Youngstown: +6.9% 7. Toledo: +3.2% Leisure and Hospitality Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Cincinnati: +3.3% 2. Dayton: +2.0% 3. Toledo: +0.3% 4. Columbus: -0.9% 5. Youngstown: -4.2% 6. Cleveland: -10.7% 7. Akron: -13.9% Other Services Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Akron: -4.4% 2. Columbus: -5.1% 3. Cincinnati: -5.7% 4. Dayton: -5.7% 5. Youngstown: -5.8% 6. Cleveland: -6.2% 7. Toledo: -11.7% Government Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Dayton: 0% 2. Youngstown: -2.2% 3. Akron: -2.7% 4. Columbus: -3.3% 5. Cincinnati: -5.5% 6. Cleveland: -8.0% 7. Toledo: -9.8%
March 24, 201213 yr My information was 2009 to 2012, for reasons I explained. The post I responded to said January 2011 to January 2012, the information of which I posted above.
March 24, 201213 yr I'm not aware of any rule against presenting information in different forms if it is relevant to the thread. Any particular information can be presented in different ways with different emphasis to help in understanding. There isn't. In fact, I would like to see more 2009-2012 information because that hasn't been covered.
March 24, 201213 yr Total Non-Farm Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Cincinnati: +2.3% 2. Youngstown: +2.3% 3. Dayton: +2.0% 4. Columbus: +1.6% 5. Toledo: +1.6% 6. Akron: -0.2% 7. Cleveland: -0.3% Jobs are jobs. They all count to those who have them and to the metros within which they exist. Whether an medical professor who also conducts clinical drug research for a for-profit company is in education or pharmaceuticals is less important than the market value of her work.
March 25, 201213 yr How is + 0.6% better than +3.2% in this chart? Information Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Columbus: +0.6% 2. Toledo: 0% 3. Youngstown: 0% 4. Dayton: -1.2% 5. Cincinnati: -1.4% 6. Akron: -2.6% 7. Cleveland: +3.2%
March 25, 201213 yr jbcmh81, I'm completely confused about your data. The recent BLS release showed, for instance Jan11-Jan12 non-farm employment "growth" in the Cleveland MSA to be -3.3k (baked into this http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/SMU39174600000000001?data_tool=XGtable) What source(s) did you use to find a large increase in employment in the Cleveland MSA? What is the difference in your data between employment and jobs? For the year over year period, January 2011 to January 2012: Employment in Cleveland January 2011: 972.5 Employment in Cleveland January 2012: 991.6 Change: +19,100 Where are you getting your data from? I promise I'm not trying to be a jerk, but the CES series data I link to in my quote shows different numbers for Jan11 and Jan12 with very different implications. Would be very helpful if you sourced your data more specifically than "BLS" so we could figure out where the difference is and so we know what to make of all your posts. I definitely appreciate it when people post data here. And now for the changes in total non-farm wages and salary jobs for the year over year period, January 2011 to January 2012 with links to actual source data:. Cool, thanks. Though FYI I think you transposed the Columbus Jan2011 employment total (should be 897.7).
March 25, 201213 yr How is + 0.6% better than +3.2% in this chart? Information Jobs Change, best to worst. 1. Columbus: +0.6% 2. Toledo: 0% 3. Youngstown: 0% 4. Dayton: -1.2% 5. Cincinnati: -1.4% 6. Akron: -2.6% 7. Cleveland: +3.2% Typo. It should read -3.2%. I typed it all up pretty fast, bound to make some of those errors.
March 25, 201213 yr jbcmh81, I'm completely confused about your data. The recent BLS release showed, for instance Jan11-Jan12 non-farm employment "growth" in the Cleveland MSA to be -3.3k (baked into this http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/SMU39174600000000001?data_tool=XGtable) What source(s) did you use to find a large increase in employment in the Cleveland MSA? What is the difference in your data between employment and jobs? For the year over year period, January 2011 to January 2012: Employment in Cleveland January 2011: 972.5 Employment in Cleveland January 2012: 991.6 Change: +19,100 Where are you getting your data from? I promise I'm not trying to be a jerk, but the CES series data I link to in my quote shows different numbers for Jan11 and Jan12 with very different implications. Would be very helpful if you sourced your data more specifically than "BLS" so we could figure out where the difference is and so we know what to make of all your posts. I definitely appreciate it when people post data here. http://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.oh_cleveland_msa.htm Just hit the button that says "Back Data". It breaks it all down by month and year for basically the past 20 years in most cases.
March 25, 201213 yr ^Ahhh, got it, you're citing the "employment" line from the labor force panel. I was looking at the non-farm employment panel, which now I'm realizing is probably what you were referring to as "jobs" (understandably) in your first post. Though, for the "jobs, where do you see this part from your initial post? Total Non-Farm Jobs Change, best to worst. 6. Cleveland: +4,300
March 25, 201213 yr The "jobs" and "employment" series are pretty divergent for Cleveland. I wonder which is more accurate.
March 25, 201213 yr ^Divergent, but not necessarily contradictory. The labor force data is a census of population located in the Cleveland msa, while the non-farm employment ("jobs") data is about jobs located in the Cleveland msa, even if filled by non-mas workers. The adjacency to another significant MSA might leave room for this kind of divergence. Also, I think the preliminary data is derived from two different models, so the revised numbers may erase some of the divergence.
March 25, 201213 yr ^Divergent, but not necessarily contradictory. The labor force data is a census of population located in the Cleveland msa, while the non-farm employment ("jobs") data is about jobs located in the Cleveland msa, even if filled by non-mas workers. The adjacency to another significant MSA might leave room for this kind of divergence. Also, I think the preliminary data is derived from two different models, so the revised numbers may erase some of the divergence. I would think the proximity of the Akron MSA might explain some divergence. Clearly there's a significant interchange between Cuyahoga and Summit counties. I wonder if a similar divergence would occur in the data if you took out Butler County from the Cincinnati MSA or Delaware County from Columbus, similar to how any interchange between Summit and Cuyahoga is not accounted for because while adjacent to each other they are in two separate MSAs
March 25, 201213 yr BTW, I do plan to do these numbers for each month. February's should be out soon. Hopefully this will give people a clearer idea of how Ohio's major metros are doing economically. I know the numbers aren't perfect and there is occasionally contradictory data depending on the source, but it's one of the best sources (BLS) out there, so that's what I'm going to use. If I have time today, I might do the full numbers, as Matt brought up, for 2009-2012, as that shows how things have changed since the recession peaked instead of the numbers I used that show the last year and the change since the first year of the recession.
March 25, 201213 yr http://www.bls.gov/sae/ states: "Metropolitan Area Employment and Unemployment data for February 2012 are scheduled to be released on April 10, 2012, at 10:00 A.M. Eastern Time."
March 25, 201213 yr http://www.bls.gov/sae/ states: "Metropolitan Area Employment and Unemployment data for February 2012 are scheduled to be released on April 10, 2012, at 10:00 A.M. Eastern Time." Unemployment rates should be out before that, but the rest of the data will wait until then. Newspapers usually post them before they're listed.
March 26, 201213 yr ODJFS will have those numbers for Ohio metros within the next couple of days. Even for metros that aren't entirely in Ohio?
March 27, 201213 yr Ratio of non-farm jobs to population and ranking vs all metros with at least 1 million in population (there were 51). Cincinnati Population: 2,130,200 Non-Farm Jobs: 982,400 Ratio: 46.1% Rank: 22nd Cleveland Population: 2,077,200 Non-Farm Jobs: 968,100 Ratio: 46.6% Rank: 20th Columbus Population: 1,836,500 Non-Farm Jobs: 912,400 Ratio: 49.7% Rank: 6th Top 10 1. Salt Lake City: 56.2% 2. Washington, DC: 53.3% 3. Boston: 52.9% 4. Minneapolis: 51.4% 5. Milwaukee: 51.1% 6. Columbus: 49.7% 7. Indianapolis: 49.4% 8. Richmond, VA: 48.4% 8. Seattle: 48.4% 9. Pittsburgh: 48.1% 9. San Jose, CA: 48.1% 10. Rochester, NY: 47.8% I got this information from another forum, and apparently the ratio is a good indicator of how productive a metro is. No idea if that's true, so take it with a grain of salt.
March 27, 201213 yr Not sure how meaningful that ratio is; just seem to be a random conflation of labor participation rate with part time jobs. Thanks for posting though. Same request as before: could you include a link to your specific source for the data? Always helps the discussion to know where it came from.
March 28, 201213 yr The Cincinnati business courier is reporting that: "the local economy added 4,100 jobs during the month, according to newly released figures." I haven't been able to find the Ohio govn't source it describes and if it included areas in Kentucky. While Columbus Business First is reporting that a private economist there has evidence of 3,000 new jobs in the columbus metro in February. How this relates to BLS definitions or numbers I don't know. Anyone have more info on these issues?
March 28, 201213 yr I was mistaken. The numbers for columbus are the overall labor force. I think that means the number of people of working age who are not disabled or officially unemployed. Looks like the BLS numbers will have to resolve this.
March 28, 201213 yr GDP tells how productive a metro is. GDP is a great indicator, but not the only one, and I'm not sure if it's the best one. GDP usually relates to metro size, not necessarily how productive the population is. NYC is obviously at the very top of the GDP ranking, along with the other top 10 largest cities.
March 28, 201213 yr "Productivity" is typically a measure of efficiency, so if that's the goal, the metric should normalize GDP by some input, like number of employed workers, or total wages paid.
March 28, 201213 yr New numbers came out today for Ohio. The unemployment rate sits at 7.6% compared to 7.7% last month and the national average is at 8.3%. Ohio, unlike other states who are seeing unemployment rates decline, is actually seeing month to month growth rates in its labor force. I have always been skeptical of unemployment rates for the fact of discouraged workers, dropping out of the workforce, or losing unemployment benefits, but Ohio is actually seeing its unemployment rate drop and its workforce GROW.
March 29, 201213 yr Some of the February information has been released so here's that. All of the numbers are from February to February of the years given. Metro Unemployment Rate, February 2012, best to worst. 1. Columbus: 7.2% 2. Cleveland: 8.1% 3. Akron: 8.2% 4. Cincinnati: 8.3% 5. Dayton: 8.7% 6. Youngstown: 9.1% 7. Toledo: 9.3% Unemployment Rate Change, February 2007-February 2012, best to worst. 1. Cleveland: +1.6 2. Akron: +2.4 3. Columbus: +2.4 4. Youngstown: +2.5 5. Dayton: +2.8 6. Cincinnati: +2.9 7. Toledo: +2.9 Unemployment Rate Change, February 2011-February 2012, best to worst. 1. Youngstown: -1.7 2. Dayton: -1.6 3. Toledo: -1.6 4. Akron: -1.4 5. Cincinnati: -1.4 6. Columbus: -1.0 7. Cleveland: -0.5 Unemployment Rate Change, January 2012-February 2012, best to worst. 1. Akron: -0.2 2. Toledo: -0.2 3. Youngstown: -0.2 4. Cincinnati: -0.1 5. Columbus: -0.1 6. Dayton: -0.1 7. Cleveland: 0.0 Total Civilian Labor Force, February 2012, highest to lowest. 1. Cincinnati: 1,088,800 2. Cleveland: 1,075,900 3. Columbus: 955,200 4. Dayton: 405,400 5. Akron: 370,000 6. Toledo: 319,900 7. Youngstown: 263,200 Civilian Labor Force Change, February 2007-February 2012, best to worst. 1. Columbus: +15,900 2. Youngstown: -12,400 3. Akron: -12,900 4. Toledo: -12,900 5. Cleveland: -13,700 6. Cincinnati: -14,500 7. Dayton: -17,700 Civilian Labor Force Change, February 2011-February 2012, best to worst. 1. Cleveland: +6,600 2. Columbus: -500 3. Dayton: -4,200 4. Youngstown: -5,900 5. Toledo: -6,900 6. Akron: -8,900 7. Cincinnati: -18,400 Civilian Labor Force Change January 2012-February 2012, best to worst. 1. Columbus: +7,700 2. Akron: +4,600 3. Toledo: +3,700 4. Cincinnati: +2,100 5. Dayton: -2,200 6. Youngstown: -2,200 7. Cleveland: -3,000 Total Employment, February 2012, highest to lowest. 1. Cincinnati: 998,700 2. Cleveland: 989,300 3. Columbus: 886,600 4. Dayton: 370,100 5. Akron: 339,500 6. Toledo: 290,200 7. Youngstown: 239,200 Total Employment Change, February 2007-February 2012, best to worst. 1. Columbus: -7,500 2. Youngstown: -18,400 3. Toledo: -21,100 4. Akron: -21,300 5. Dayton: -27,900 6. Cleveland: -28,200 7. Cincinnati: -44,700 Total Employment Change, February 2011-February 2012, best to worst. 1. Cleveland: +11,500 2. Columbus: +10,600 3. Dayton: +2,500 4. Youngstown: -900 5. Cincinnati: -1,100 6. Toledo: -1,100 7. Akron: -3,000 Total Employment Change, Janurary 2012-February 2012, best to worst. 1. Columbus: +7,900 2. Akron: +5,000 3. Toledo: +4,200 4. Cincinnati: +3,400 5. Dayton: -1,600 6. Youngstown: -1,600 7. Cleveland: -2,300 Total Unemployment, February 2012, highest to lowest. 1. Cincinnati: 90,100 2. Cleveland: 86,600 3. Columbus: 68,600 4. Dayton: 35,300 5. Akron: 30,400 6. Toledo: 29,800 7. Youngstown: 24,000 Total Unemployment Change, February 2007-February 2012, best to worst. 1. Youngstown: +5,900 2. Akron: +8,300 3. Toledo: +8,300 4. Dayton: +10,200 5. Cleveland: +11,900 6. Columbus: +23,500 7. Cincinnati: +30,200 Total Unemployment Change, February 2011-February 2012, best to worst. 1. Cincinnati: -17,300 2. Columbus: -10,200 3. Dayton: -6,700 4. Akron: -6,100 5. Toledo: -5,800 6. Youngstown: -5,000 7. Cleveland: -4,900 Total Unemployment Change, January 2012-February 2012, best to worst. 1. Cincinnati: -1,400 2. Cleveland: -700 3. Dayton: -600 4. Youngstown: -600 5. Akron: -500 6. Toledo: -400 7. Columbus: -300 When the breakdown by job catergory comes out, I'll post that for February.
March 29, 201213 yr Okay, z-zz-z-zzz-z-zz, thanks, zz-z-zzz-z-zz-zzz, jbchm81. Can't wait, zz-zz-z-zzz-z-zzz, for the update, zzz-z-z-zzz-z. Catch you later... :roll:
March 29, 201213 yr Well I appreciate it, jbcmh81. Keep posting away (I'm a data geek)! "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
March 29, 201213 yr These numbers aren't the "non-farm wage and salary employment" used by professional. Here are the numbers up to January 2012, http://www.bls.gov/eag/home.htm. February's numbers won't be out for a while. Without your sources we can't know what you've used. 1. Cleveland: +11,500 2. Columbus: +10,600 3. Dayton: +2,500 4. Youngstown: -900 5. Cincinnati: -1,100 6. Toledo: -1,100 7. Akron: -3,000 A BLS official calling you or emailing to ask how many jobs you've added is understandably much less useful than an actual new w-4 filling indicating an actual new job which is what "non-farm wage and salary employment" numbers are. Those won't be out for a while and meaningful comparisons won't be possible until then. I should add that civilian labor force is everyone who is older than 16, not collecting social security, and not disabled, whether they are employed or not. Needless to say, employment and umemployment rates issued by govn't haven't been less representative of labor markets since the depression.
March 29, 201213 yr These numbers aren't the "non-farm wage and salary employment" used by professional. Here are the numbers up to January 2012, http://www.bls.gov/eag/home.htm. February's numbers won't be out for a while. Without your sources we can't know what you've used. 1. Cleveland: +11,500 2. Columbus: +10,600 3. Dayton: +2,500 4. Youngstown: -900 5. Cincinnati: -1,100 6. Toledo: -1,100 7. Akron: -3,000 A BLS official calling you or emailing to ask how many jobs you've added is understandably much less useful than an actual new w-4 filling indicating an actual new job which is what "non-farm wage and salary employment" numbers are. Those won't be out for a while and meaningful comparisons won't be possible until then. I should add that civilian labor force is everyone who is older than 16, not collecting social security, and not disabled, whether they are employed or not. Needless to say, employment and umemployment rates issued by govn't haven't been less representative of labor markets since the depression. I used the Jobs and Family Services site to get February's data so far, which comes from the BLS. http://ohiolmi.com/
March 29, 201213 yr Okay, z-zz-z-zzz-z-zz, thanks, zz-z-zzz-z-zz-zzz, jbchm81. Can't wait, zz-zz-z-zzz-z-zzz, for the update, zzz-z-z-zzz-z. Catch you later... :roll: I know it's not the most exciting thing to read, but it's basically for data geeks and anyone interested in employmen/job data for the metros.
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