1 hour ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

Did she go to Ursuline or something?

 

Yeah I went to two of Ursuline's dances that year that she was student council president.  In case anyone's wondering, the girl I went with is now...a gynecologist. 

1 hour ago, DEPACincy said:

You'll be able to blackmail her because she went to a party in 1996? 

 

People used to always as "what are you going to do with that?" if you filmed them or "now I can't run for office!".

 

I have no less than 6 (six!) hours of VHS footage from when I was in high school, a decade before youtube came into existence.  I really can't put any of it online for another 10 years because I know all of the guys are out there raising families.  We were doing proto-Jackass type stuff. 

 

9 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

Kate Schroeder seems pretty honest and might very well succeed in dethroning Steve Chabot, something the slickster Aftab was unable to do himself. 

 

I will still vote for Schroeder, but am a lot less excited about her after learning that her husband is Cincinnati's Assistant City Manager and Cranley-rubber stamper John Juech.

4 minutes ago, taestell said:

 

I will still vote for Schroeder, but am a lot less excited about her after learning that her husband is Cincinnati's Assistant City Manager and Cranley-rubber stamper John Juech.

This race will be a lot closer than 2018 because Schroeder is a much more likeable candidate than Aftab. She has more of a sincerity about her, whereas Aftab you always felt he was just trying to blow smoke up your a$$

1 hour ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

She really seems to want to overly politicize the office. After listening to the interview I have serious questions as to her judgment and ability to actually lead the office. The credibility of the staff is important too and I do not think that she really engenders that, especially given the fact she was previously fired for insubordination.  I think Hofbauer has a lot better credibility amongst the police force and would really represent the county quite well. 

 

Brutus endorses Hofbauer. That's all everyone on here needs to know to make a decision.

1 hour ago, taestell said:

Cranley-rubber stamper John Juech.

 

Cranley has appointed the wives of several of his cronies to boards to extend his power.  What's comical is that one of these token appointees might very well unseat Chabot, something Cranley himself wasn't able to do.  The who's-who of Democrats who have taken on Chabot and lost is epic:

 

-Cranley X2

-Roxanne Qualls

-David Mann

-Aftab

-Greg Harris 

 

48 minutes ago, DEPACincy said:

 

Brutus endorses Hofbauer. That's all everyone on here needs to know to make a decision.

Well the lunatic fringe of society can stand with crazy Charmaine. Personally, I am fine standing for someone who will run the sheriff's office in a professional manner, not seek to settle old personal vendettas and keep the county safe, along with not as likely to act completely unhinged while in office. So if that means voting for Hofbauer, than great.  But if you want to support chaos, then go ahead and vote for crazy Charmaine.

I know her name is "McGuffy" but I can't stop hearing "McGruffy" and thinking about these old infomercials:

 

 

That said, I listened to the Cincinnati Edition and agree with the sentiment that she seems a bit unhinged. She talks in platitudes that might sound good to the voter base she needs, but they seem to indicate she doesn't really know what she's talking about. I suspect that if elected, she'll have very few loyal followers in the department and struggle to achieve much because of that lack of support.

52 minutes ago, Ram23 said:

 

That said, I listened to the Cincinnati Edition and agree with the sentiment that she seems a bit unhinged. She talks in platitudes that might sound good to the voter base she needs, but they seem to indicate she doesn't really know what she's talking about. I suspect that if elected, she'll have very few loyal followers in the department and struggle to achieve much because of that lack of support.

 

A woman points out systemic issues that policing experts agree are a huge problem and presents an evidence-based plan to address them. 

You and Brutus: "OH GOD SHES SO UNHINGED. SHE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT."

 

That, my friends, is blatant sexism on display.

47 minutes ago, Ram23 said:

she'll have very few loyal followers in the department

I don't think this is a bad thing, the old boys club mentality is why police departments are the way they are right now and why they need reforming. Cops don't rat each other out, they are ironically run a lot like organized crime where loyalty is the most important virtue, not things like justice, rule of law or fairness. She clearly has a HUGE chip on her shoulder,  but there is a fine line between saying "bullies always play the victim" and victim blaming. In the case of the first female Major in the Hamilton county sheriffs department, i'm going to assume that her charges of sexism and mistreatment are true, because the first women in almost any field are treated that way time and time again. 

1 hour ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

Well the lunatic fringe of society can stand with crazy Charmaine. Personally, I am fine standing for someone who will run the sheriff's office in a professional manner, not seek to settle old personal vendettas and keep the county safe, along with not as likely to act completely unhinged while in office. So if that means voting for Hofbauer, than great.  But if you want to support chaos, then go ahead and vote for crazy Charmaine.

 

I guess you better just move out of Hamilton County since the majority of us here are a part of the "lunatic fringe" who recognize that systemic racism and anti-LGBTQ bias are problems in policing.

Anyone who disagrees with Brutus is a lunatic.

18 minutes ago, DEPACincy said:

You and Brutus: "OH GOD SHES SO UNHINGED. SHE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT."

That, my friends, is blatant sexism on display.

 

Yeah guess what the worst women out there are as bad as the worst men, and politics by default attracts a lot of really nasty people.   

 

 

34 minutes ago, DEPACincy said:

 

A woman points out systemic issues that policing experts agree are a huge problem and presents an evidence-based plan to address them. 

You and Brutus: "OH GOD SHES SO UNHINGED. SHE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT."

 

That, my friends, is blatant sexism on display.

Anytime someone disagrees with your viewpoint it is racism, sexism or some other ism. That is the epitomy of someone who really has no ability to argue on the merits that all you are left with is to make up some ism to make you feel better.  Pretty sad.  It is hardly an sexism to provide a critique of her. I know you want it to be just because it seems to fit your narrative, but it is not.  

 

 

25 minutes ago, GCrites80s said:

Anyone who disagrees with Brutus is a lunatic.

Never said that. Plenty of rational people disagree with me all the time. However, the lunatic fringe is the type of person who would be supportive of crazy Charmaine. Note the difference.  ?

14 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

Anytime someone disagrees with your viewpoint it is racism, sexism or some other ism. That is the epitomy of someone who really has no ability to argue on the merits that all you are left with is to make up some ism to make you feel better.  Pretty sad.  It is hardly an sexism to provide a critique of her. I know you want it to be just because it seems to fit your narrative, but it is not.  

 

 

 

Disagreeing with her policies and providing evidence to support your disagreement is one thing. Providing zero evidence that what she said was wrong and resorting to calling her "crazy" and "unhinged" is quite another. But yes, I'm the one making stuff up to feel better. You guys are really great at projection. 

Just now, DEPACincy said:

 

Disagreeing with her policies and providing evidence to support your disagreement is one thing. Providing zero evidence that what she said was wrong and resorting to calling her "crazy" and "unhinged" is quite another. But yes, I'm the one making stuff up to feel better. You guys are really great at projection. 

I listened to the interview, I think she is a bit unhinged. She appears to have an axe to grind when she was fired for cause. THat is pretty evident. 

 

She does not seem to have the supprot of the police force from what I have heard, and some of her policies may tend to over politicize the sheriff's office. 

 

I am glad you are starting to recognize that your bias may be clouding your ability to make a clear judgment on someone. I dont expect you to get there overnight though, often it will take some years and wisdom. However, you will look back upon this a number of years down the line and see the error in your ways ?

1 hour ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

I listened to the interview, I think she is a bit unhinged. She appears to have an axe to grind when she was fired for cause. THat is pretty evident. 

 

She does not seem to have the supprot of the police force from what I have heard, and some of her policies may tend to over politicize the sheriff's office. 

 

I am glad you are starting to recognize that your bias may be clouding your ability to make a clear judgment on someone. I dont expect you to get there overnight though, often it will take some years and wisdom. However, you will look back upon this a number of years down the line and see the error in your ways ?

 

Does this count as trolling or unnecessary bickering? 

 

No worries, having you endorse Hofbauer makes a better case for Charmaine than anything I say ever could.

3 hours ago, ucgrady said:

Cops don't rat each other out, they are ironically run a lot like organized crime where loyalty is the most important virtue, not things like justice, rule of law or fairness. She clearly has a HUGE chip on her shoulder

 

One of the strengths of the Cincinnati area is that we have the state boundaries and many small municipalities within Hamilton County that have their own independent police forces.  They DO NOT scratch each others' backs 100% of the time and nobody knows this better than McGuffy, who was arrested - or something...she of course was not forthcoming with specific details  - across the river in Covington.  

 

I just keep coming back to the fact that no less than 30 people petitioned to have her fired.  I have worked in a lot of places where people absolutely hated a toxic superior but they were never able to get more than 3-4 people to file a complaint with HR.  Whistleblowers always face retaliation even when there is a big sign in the lobby that neatly outlines legally guaranteed protection for whistleblowers.  Now she's literally becoming their Final Boss - the ultimate retaliation against the whistleblowers who brought her down.  

 

People are filling her Facebook ad comments with very specific anecdotes about the crazy crap she did that led to thirty people filing a complaint.  Go visit those ads yourself.  

2 hours ago, DEPACincy said:

Does this count as trolling or unnecessary bickering?

 

I find it extremely tiresome when some people refer to every single politician of the opposite party with over-the-top words like "unhinged" or "slimeball", say they "spew venom and idiocy", and say anyone who supports them is the "lunatic fringe". Like Mitt said, "it's time to lower the heat," and get back to the point where we can have fact-based debates without resorting to namecalling.

None of this will probably matter because there's a very good chance Democrats will sweep the county positions this year including Sheriff and Prosecutor. The days of easily electing a Republican in Hamilton County is over.  

Edited October 14, 20204 yr by cincydave8

1 hour ago, cincydave8 said:

Democrats will sweep the county positions this year including Sheriff and Prosecutor

Charlie Winburn will win Treasurer, I'll stake a lot of money on that.  Based on signs from around the county, he will have a decent chunk (if not the majority) of black support. His signs are next to Biden signs more ofter than Jill Schiller's are.

1 hour ago, cincydave8 said:

None of this will probably matter because there's a very good chance Democrats will sweep the county positions this year including Sheriff and Prosecutor. The days of easily electing a Republican in Hamilton County is over.  

I think Deters has shown that he would deserve another term and Hofbauer is certainly the better candidate than McGuffey. 

Outside of that I do not have a problem with the other Dems on the ticket. Not a fan of Aftab, but the GOP is not seriously challenging that office right now so he pretty much is guaranteed re-election.

The temporary .25% union terminal sales tax is still in effect despite the completion of the project.  If you remember back to the Monzel era, he forced the issue and we had a 2-year delay in the project so that the county could pay cash for the work instead of bonding it.  

 

Now nobody seems to care that the county is still collecting the tax.  Personally, I don't have a problem with them continuing the tax until the anticipated passing of the pandemic in late 2021, but it's amazing that nobody seems to know or care.  

2 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

The temporary .25% union terminal sales tax is still in effect despite the completion of the project.  If you remember back to the Monzel era, he forced the issue and we had a 2-year delay in the project so that the county could pay cash for the work instead of bonding it.  

 

Now nobody seems to care that the county is still collecting the tax.  Personally, I don't have a problem with them continuing the tax until the anticipated passing of the pandemic in late 2021, but it's amazing that nobody seems to know or care.  

 

This will come back to haunt the county the next time an issue comes up that asks for a temporary tax hike. The commissioners burned a bridge by making the icons tax permanent with the swipe of a pen instead of asking the voters to decide. 

 

Although I share the surprise at how quickly people have forgotten about this. Everyone still complains about Paul Brown Stadium funding, yet the surprise permanence of the Icons tax was just as conniving of a political maneuver and will cost the taxpayer $40 million every year, forever..

Edited October 14, 20204 yr by Ram23

If it goes to show anything, it's that most people don't pay any attention to the sales tax rate. So all of the time spent debating whether to do a 0.7%, 0.8%, 0.9%, or 1.0% bus tax was pointless. The vast majority of people vote yes/no solely based on whether they support the thing asking for funding, not what the amount is.

10 minutes ago, taestell said:

If it goes to show anything, it's that most people don't pay any attention to the sales tax rate. So all of the time spent debating whether to do a 0.7%, 0.8%, 0.9%, or 1.0% bus tax was pointless. The vast majority of people vote yes/no solely based on whether they support the thing asking for funding, not what the amount is.

 

Yep. And this was the county's only real chance to ask for funding in a long time for transit. So it's disappointing they didn't ask for slightly more to make a radically better system.

 

They could have asked for 0.9% and the vote would have probably been almost identical to the result they got. Very few people are looking at those numbers and crunching them to draw a hard line in where they will say it's too much. The full 1% might have been the limit just because of the psychological difference between 0.9% and 1.0%. Like adding the 9/10ths of 1 cent on gasoline.

17 minutes ago, taestell said:

If it goes to show anything, it's that most people don't pay any attention to the sales tax rate. So all of the time spent debating whether to do a 0.7%, 0.8%, 0.9%, or 1.0% bus tax was pointless. The vast majority of people vote yes/no solely based on whether they support the thing asking for funding, not what the amount is.

Like for example a certain poster losing his mind over the mere existence of the Seattle headcount tax despite its microscopic collection amount relative to the size of the company's revenue plus the fact that the earnings floor is $150K/yr.

8 minutes ago, Ram23 said:

Although I share the surprise at how quickly people have forgotten about this. Everyone still complains about Paul Brown Stadium funding, yet the surprise permanence of the Icons tax was just as conniving of a political maneuver and will cost the taxpayer $40 million every year, forever.

 

Also I really dislike the anti-Bengals attitude that politicians keep getting away with.  They're basically saying we should dismiss The Bengals as good as gone, when it'll only cost only a fraction more to make concessions to the team as compared to renovating a stadium with no major league tenant.  They'll accuse me of falling for a sunk cost fallacy, but the fact is that civic sunk costs are much different than sunk costs for individuals.  

 

Also, the NFL regular season beating the NBA finals in TV ratings last weekend illustrates just how huge the NFL is.  It's the biggest thing that exists.  When the PBS construction bonds are paid off the sales tax will be able to pay bonds on its renovation.  

 

Looking very likely we'll have Sheriff Charmaine McGuffey and Commissioners Denise Driehaus and Alicia Reece.

An odd takeaway that I noticed in the results: The Hamilton Co judge results were completely random. Some Democrats won, some Republicans won, with no real rhyme or reason.

Edited November 4, 20204 yr by 10albersa

Also, I guess I'm eating crow on my Charlie Winburn prediction... thank goodness

Disappointed about the sheriff race. McGuffey really had no business winning. Disappointed about a few of the judges but it pretty much represents a trend in the County now. 

 

Alecia Reece winning commission is good. She will do a fine job and she is a class act. 

Glad that Deters won and glad taht Winkler held on in the Probate Court.

1 minute ago, 10albersa said:

Also, I guess I'm eating crow on my Charlie Winburn prediction... thank goodness

I was not thrilled about Winburn running. I voted for him, but not a huge fan of his candidacy. 

I'm sorry Fanon Rucker seems to have lost against Deters, although I don't think he has conceded.  I met him during the race and he is super impressive. 

 

2 hours ago, Jimmy Skinner said:

I'm sorry Fanon Rucker seems to have lost against Deters, although I don't think he has conceded.  I met him during the race and he is super impressive. 

 

he is a nice guy.

I am surprised that Deters won.  I know someone who quit the prosecutor's office because they thought Deters wasn't even going to run and if he did he'd be out and so would they.  

 

That said, the fact that Deters did win when every other county office went blue illustrates that a critical segment of the population went for the familiar and "law & order" in a time period when disorder was being condoned if not encouraged by many prominent Democrats.  

 

 

8 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

the fact that Deters did win when every other county office went blue illustrates that a critical segment of the population went for the familiar and "law & order" in a time period when disorder was being condoned if not encouraged by many prominent Democrats.

 

I don't think this is the reason, otherwise Charmaine would not have won either.  Deters is a staple in Cincinnati politics, he's the one candidate that the Ham Co Republican party put all of their resources behind to defend, and they were able to squeak it out. 

14 hours ago, 10albersa said:

 

I don't think this is the reason, otherwise Charmaine would not have won either.  Deters is a staple in Cincinnati politics, he's the one candidate that the Ham Co Republican party put all of their resources behind to defend, and they were able to squeak it out. 

 

I don't think it is as simple as that either. Sheriff is more of a "down ticket" race than Prosecutor. She tracked with the rest of the party against an opponent with weak name ID. The Deters-Rucker race was high profile and, as Jason Williams wrote in his column, defined by Deters as "law and order" vs. "social justice." Deters is certainly a brand in Hamilton County, like Dusty Rhodes (and to some extend Rob Goering who also outperformed the party) with crossover appeal. Despite some old scandals, he runs a relatively uncontroversial shop and has strong media instincts. In a time with relatively high anxiety, it makes sense that a majority of voters would go with something that feels like the safe choice.

Joe Deters has extremely strong name recognition which is critical to winning in Hamilton County and Cincinnati politics.

 

Remember that when his brother, Dennis Deters, ran for County Commissioner in 2015, he managed to get his name listed as "Dennis Joseph Deters" on the ballot. Dennis has never used the name Joseph in his political or professional careers and has always gone by Dennis P. Deters.

 

3 minutes ago, taestell said:

Remember that when his brother, Dennis Deters, ran for County Commissioner in 2015, he managed to get his name listed as "Dennis Joseph Deters" on the ballot. Dennis has never used the name Joseph in his political or professional careers and has always gone by Dennis P. Deters.

 

Yeah except he didn't win that seat despite disguising himself as his brother.  

 

Deters kept his job, Republicans held the senate, and Trump almost won reelection because of the white BLM nonsense.  People aren't buying what white BLM is selling.  Get a job, hippie.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Map of the presidential results. Pretty clear divide almost right down the middle.  Biden sweeps nearly all of Cincinnati except Riverside, Saylor Park and parts of Mount Washington. Biden also won most of Norwood, losing Norwood4-C by only 16 votes. Hillary lost all of Norwood 4 years ago.  Biden also won Silverton, Montgomery, Blue Ash, Maderia, Amberly, North College Hill, Mount Helathy, Forest Park and Mariemont.  

 

The highest I could find for BIden was Cincinnati 3-A (Evanston) with 95%. Trumps highest that I could find was Harrison AA with 81%.  

Do you have maps for other counties in Ohio (or where they are available)?

You'd have check on each county's BOE. I pulled that map from here: https://votehamiltoncountyohio.gov/results/

Thanks.

Here's a clearer map of Hamilton County shaded for margin from @Chas Wiederhold

 

 

Does anyone still think that a city-county merger would be a good idea?

^I still think Norwood, St. Bernard, and Elmwood Place should be annexed. I am vehemently opposed to a full city-county merger, though

That's pretty much just a map that shows you where black people live in this county. 

23 minutes ago, ryanlammi said:

^I still think Norwood, St. Bernard, and Elmwood Place should be annexed. I am vehemently opposed to a full city-county merger, though

 

I am in favor of annexations and municipal mergers, I just think a city-county merger would be a bad idea.

 

Although it is interesting to see how visibly red Norwood, St. Bernard, Elmwood Place are compared to the bluer Cincinnati neighborhoods that surround them on all sides.