December 18, 20204 yr 20 hours ago, 7generations said: The Oakley Master Plan (finished in 2018 or was it 19) states no interest in increasing multi-family residences. This type of NIMBYism is why there has been a growing movement to simply abolishing single-family zoning in growing cities. Not that this would necessarily ever happen in Cincinnati, or that we'd even need to consider something so drastic as we are such a slow growing city.
December 19, 20204 yr Controversial Wasson Way project lands final approval More than a year after getting initial approval by the Cincinnati Planning Commission after an epic hearing, commissioners gave the final approval needed to a four-home single-family subdivision along the Wasson Way bike trail Friday. Hyde Park residents continue to oppose the City Homes at Wasson Way project by developer Kenneth French — with whom they traded charges, including that he could be arrested for misrepresenting his architecture credentials, last year. No charges were filed, according to the Hamilton County Clerk of Courts website. French’s Habitation Development Group plans to build four new homes on the north side of the 3000 block of Wasson Road at its intersection with Paxton Avenue on 0.76 acres zoned residential. Commissioners approved the final plat for the land on Friday after approving the subdivision of land and giving him variances for the front and rear setbacks. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2020/12/18/wasson-way-single-family-homes-get-final-approval.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
December 19, 20204 yr Hideous. He got his plans from Stratford Manor. There were about 32 of those munters on Red Bank rd. But, in fairness, his own house is no better.
December 19, 20204 yr Meanwhile, in Salt Lake City... . But here in Cincinnati we couldn't possibly have "density" along a bike trail...
January 2, 20214 yr Building at 3788 Andrew Ave has been torn down. It sat close to the corner of Andrew Ave and Madison road. Does anyone know what the plan is for this site? There’s an empty lot right next to it.
January 3, 20214 yr All I have found is the following from the FaceBook page "Oakley Ohio" a few days after Christmas... Joe Groh I suspect the property owner going to build apartments - under current zoning, he can build a building with up to 9 units and not need to get any approval from the community. I say “suspect” because nothing new has been presented. Owner had presented plan to build 7 townhomes, in 2 buildings, that required several variances. Andrew residents voiced opposition, OCC voted against it in a split vote (1 vote difference). Cautionary tale that as much as we (the collective we) don’t like one idea, the other option may be one we like even less. Kerry Devery 2853 Madison Road is the actual address for the parcel. Permit says 6-unit condos but that may not be updated. Also asking for a retaining wall and a parking lot. DOTE pushed back on their driveway for being too narrow. Current minimum is 18 feet, for two-way traffic. The gas light on Andrew will also have to be moved, which sounds expensive.
January 3, 20214 yr 43 minutes ago, 1400 Sycamore said: Is this what they tore down? If so, it was a mercy killing. Yes that is correct.
February 18, 20214 yr https://retailproperties.cbre.us/p/retail-real-estate-listings/Oakley-OH-/oakleycrossings#highlights Some renderings of “The Crossings of Oakley” which includes the Swensons. I was also snooping around and came across this which also says Crossings of Oakley, but not really sure where this is at. As well as there’s a place called Oakley Parke, not sure of location of this place either. https://moreliagroup.com/commercial/
February 18, 20214 yr 40 minutes ago, Ucgrad2015 said: https://retailproperties.cbre.us/p/retail-real-estate-listings/Oakley-OH-/oakleycrossings#highlights Some renderings of “The Crossings of Oakley” which includes the Swensons. the rendering shows the main commercial building fronting up against the street but the site pan shows it set back in a parking lot? Edited February 18, 20214 yr by thebillshark www.cincinnatiideas.com
February 18, 20214 yr 8 hours ago, thebillshark said: the rendering shows the main commercial building fronting up against the street but the site pan shows it set back in a parking lot? Yes I noticed that as well. Hopefully it’s set up against the street. I’ve noticed driving by there that there is a CBRE leasing sign at the corner. I wonder how long it will take for them to buy up all of the houses ( I know a couple of them are rentals) but I haven’t really seen anyone moving out.
February 18, 20214 yr DCED presentation to Economic Growth & Zoning Committee on February 2nd. It was also stated that they have purchase agreements for the existing properties. Previously, they presented 3 options to the Oakley Community Council, which might be why there are conflicting documents. OCC also asked to add a right turn lane on Madison, which you can see in grey, and to add a crosswalk, which does not appear on the layout. I'm not sure if that crosswalk would be to replace an existing one, add a new one at the east side of the intersection or somewhere midblock. EDIT: Crosswalk was requested specifically for Madison Road Edited February 18, 20214 yr by Dev
February 18, 20214 yr Geesh, maybe instead of adding a right turn lane, which is one of the least-effective and urban-unfriendly devices in road design, they could use that space for the outdoor dining plaza shown in the renderings. Instead they removed 80% of it and added a little slip-entrance too. Hurr durr traffick flowz! Also why put the drive-up restaurant on the corner? I was scratching my head trying to figure out what that was until I saw the Swensons note. This is a typical suburban development pattern, just flipped front-to-back. It'll likely turn out little better than this abomination at Rookwood, especially once they realize there's a good 12 feet of elevation change along the length of the property that need to be dealt with. https://goo.gl/maps/FBozTpEpBofaA1Lz8
February 18, 20214 yr 47 minutes ago, jjakucyk said: Geesh, maybe instead of adding a right turn lane, which is one of the least-effective and urban-unfriendly devices in road design, they could use that space for the outdoor dining plaza shown in the renderings. Instead they removed 80% of it and added a little slip-entrance too. Hurr durr traffick flowz! Also why put the drive-up restaurant on the corner? I was scratching my head trying to figure out what that was until I saw the Swensons note. This is a typical suburban development pattern, just flipped front-to-back. It'll likely turn out little better than this abomination at Rookwood, especially once they realize there's a good 12 feet of elevation change along the length of the property that need to be dealt with. https://goo.gl/maps/FBozTpEpBofaA1Lz8 And nothing like building $600,000 townhomes right across the street.
February 18, 20214 yr I drive through this intersection often on weekdays, weekends, rush hour, etc. A right turn lane is an absolute waste and not necessary.
February 18, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, nicker66 said: I drive through this intersection often on weekdays, weekends, rush hour, etc. A right turn lane is an absolute waste and not necessary. Same here, totally agree. Classic 4-to-3 road diet candidate. OKI data concurs: Meanwhile ODOT out here on a different planet: Edited February 18, 20214 yr by Dev
February 19, 20214 yr The reason for the right turn lane is for the frequent truck traffic accessing I 71 via Kennedy.
February 19, 20214 yr 13 hours ago, 1400 Sycamore said: The reason for the right turn lane is for the frequent truck traffic accessing I 71 via Kennedy. Lol. Please define frequent. Two or three trucks a day is not "frequent."
February 19, 20214 yr How does it even help? Trucks need a wide turn radius, right turn lanes don't do that.
February 19, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, jjakucyk said: How does it even help? Trucks need a wide turn radius, right turn lanes don't do that. I'm guessing you haven't driven a truck.
February 19, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, nicker66 said: Lol. Please define frequent. Two or three trucks a day is not "frequent." Its the access to I71 from Madison Rd. You probably haven't been there much since you didn't notice the new 4-6 lane access roads. They go from Kennedy to Millridge to the highway. Edited February 19, 20214 yr by 1400 Sycamore
February 19, 20214 yr 26 minutes ago, 1400 Sycamore said: I'm guessing you haven't driven a truck. Or instead of being condescending how about answering the question? Turn radii are independent of the number of lanes. It's much easier to round off a corner for trucks than to add a turn lane AND round off the new corner because that gobbles up even more land. Also, did the Oakley Community Council state that they wanted this turn lane for trucks, or are you just projecting? What trucks are using this stretch of road that need so much accommodation? The railroad overpass at the creek has a height clearance of 13'-6" which is also the allowable height of semi tractor trailers, so I don't think many are going through there. That's what Oaklawn and Duck Creek are for.
February 19, 20214 yr ^carrying lots of loads of car parts from Michigan to Florida Edited February 19, 20214 yr by GCrites80s
February 19, 20214 yr 12 minutes ago, jjakucyk said: Or instead of being condescending how about answering the question? Turn radii are independent of the number of lanes. It's much easier to round off a corner for trucks than to add a turn lane AND round off the new corner because that gobbles up even more land. Also, did the Oakley Community Council state that they wanted this turn lane for trucks, or are you just projecting? What trucks are using this stretch of road that need so much accommodation? The railroad overpass at the creek has a height clearance of 13'-6" which is also the allowable height of semi tractor trailers, so I don't think many are going through there. That's what Oaklawn and Duck Creek are for. Sorry. I think you only took it as condescending because you haven't had to use all three lanes to change the radius of a tight corner like Kennedy and Madison. But, you should really just go over there before you theorize on the routes which you have completely mixed up.
February 19, 20214 yr I have driven LMTVs in Japan and MRAPs in Afghanistan, places with some roads designed long before cars, let alone semi trucks. If someone can't turn from Madison to Kennedy their CDL should be revoked. I go to the gym in that small industrial park. They have daily commercial traffic but it's not a constant wave of trucks. Cities are places for people to live, and we shouldn't be catering to light industrial. If it's that inconvenient for them, they can choose to move somewhere with better land use policies that are dedicated to their specific needs.
February 19, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Dev said: I have driven LMTVs in Japan and MRAPs in Afghanistan, places with some roads designed long before cars, let alone semi trucks. If someone can't turn from Madison to Kennedy their CDL should be revoked. I go to the gym in that small industrial park. They have daily commercial traffic but it's not a constant wave of trucks. Cities are places for people to live, and we shouldn't be catering to light industrial. If it's that inconvenient for them, they can choose to move somewhere with better land use policies that are dedicated to their specific needs. Haha! I'd had to laugh because this area was heavy industrial now light industrial since McKinley was President. The gym and the coffee shop and the apartments are the newcomers. But, more to the point, using both existing lanes on both Kennedy and Madison, the longest diagonal from curb to double yellow lines is 37 feet. So, although you are apparently a CDL expert, I'm sure one of the architects can tell us if that is enough room for a 53' trailer and a tractor to turn - ignoring, of course, the legality of using all the existing lanes.
February 19, 20214 yr Why is this suddenly needed now and not when the Kennedy Connector was built just a handful of years ago? Did trucks not exist in 2012? Today's intersection is still more generous than the older Madison/Ibsen, and that was the access from westbound Madison to I-71 back then too. Where are all these trucks coming from? Ilsco and Coca-Cola can use Duck Creek or Red Bank.
February 19, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, 1400 Sycamore said: I'm sure one of the architects can tell us if that is enough room for a 53' trailer and a tractor to turn - ignoring, of course, the legality of using all the existing lanes. Architects do not design roads. The request here appears to be coming from the Community Council, not the people who design roads for a living such as the traffic engineers at DOTE or ODOT.
February 19, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, 1400 Sycamore said: Haha! I'd had to laugh because this area was heavy industrial now light industrial since McKinley was President. The gym and the coffee shop and the apartments are the newcomers. The homes slated for destruction and the retail across the street were built in the 1920's and 30's. Steel Place wasn't developed until the 50's. The area was all pastoral when McKinley was President.
February 19, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Dev said: The homes slated for destruction and the retail across the street were built in the 1920's and 30's. Steel Place wasn't developed until the 50's. The area was all pastoral when McKinley was President. I think the attached is from jjackucyk's website, right? Looking across Madison Road.
February 20, 20214 yr 20 hours ago, 1400 Sycamore said: I think the attached is from jjackucyk's website, right? Looking across Madison Road. Fantastic picture but wrong intersection, facing the wrong way. The intersection of Ridge and Madison didn't exist yet when this picture was taken in 1938. At this time, the area east of Marburg along Madison was starting to fill in with housing developments but it was largely empty, until you got to the core of Madisonville. The intersection that is being widened has commercial traffic from Steel Place, which appears to have been completely void of any development until the 1950s. With the obvious exception of Brookstone Village, all the housing in this picture pre-dates the light industrial that now uses the Kennedy Connector to get to 71.
February 20, 20214 yr The Cincinnati Milling machine photo shows this was an industrial corridor. There are railroad spurs all over the area and north into Norwood. Madisonville was a town. Oakley was factories and factory housing. Cincinnati Steel Products was a client so I was very familiar with that intersection. And, the truck traffic does not originate there. It comes down Madison and now turns right on the new Kennedy connector. Oh, and someone suggested Duck Creek as the access to the highway but it is at the very end one way opposite to the access and only allows a long series of turns to go South or West. Edited February 20, 20214 yr by 1400 Sycamore
February 21, 20214 yr 23 hours ago, 1400 Sycamore said: The Cincinnati Milling machine photo shows this was an industrial corridor. There are railroad spurs all over the area and north into Norwood. Madisonville was a town. Oakley was factories and factory housing. Cincinnati Steel Products was a client so I was very familiar with that intersection. And, the truck traffic does not originate there. It comes down Madison and now turns right on the new Kennedy connector. Oh, and someone suggested Duck Creek as the access to the highway but it is at the very end one way opposite to the access and only allows a long series of turns to go South or West. The industrial corridor ended east of Cincinnati Milling. There were no railroad spurs serving any of the area that is now Steel Place or Oaklawn Drive. Those two industrial parks were vacant land before the 50s. A railroad through empty fields does not make it an industrial corridor. The Cincinnati Steel Products building was constructed in 1952 for example.
February 25, 20214 yr On 2/17/2021 at 10:41 PM, Ucgrad2015 said: https://retailproperties.cbre.us/p/retail-real-estate-listings/Oakley-OH-/oakleycrossings#highlights Some renderings of “The Crossings of Oakley” which includes the Swensons. I was also snooping around and came across this which also says Crossings of Oakley, but not really sure where this is at. As well as there’s a place called Oakley Parke, not sure of location of this place either. https://moreliagroup.com/commercial/ So I found out where Oakley Parke is proposed to be located. https://leasespaces.jll.com/?propertyId=847162-lease Edited February 25, 20214 yr by Ucgrad2015
February 25, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Ucgrad2015 said: So I found out where Oakley Parke is proposed to be located. https://leasespaces.jll.com/?propertyId=847162-lease At one time 2019(?) someone wanted to build a soccer facility there. Any idea what happened with that?
March 5, 20214 yr $100M Oakley development gets planning commission OK A massive, $100 million residential development that will bring hundreds of new residents to the center of Oakley received a key approval from the Cincinnati Planning Commission Friday. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2021/03/05/three-oaks-gets-ok.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
March 5, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, ColDayMan said: $100M Oakley development gets planning commission OK A massive, $100 million residential development that will bring hundreds of new residents to the center of Oakley received a key approval from the Cincinnati Planning Commission Friday. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2021/03/05/three-oaks-gets-ok.html More massive tax abatements for projects located where full market rate costs wouldn't significantly hinder investment. This kind of taxpayer subsidy should be reserved for other neighborhoods that could use some big dollar investment.
March 6, 20214 yr What's the issue here? The parking lot sea looks to be mostly in the less desirable part of the lot closest to the highway or railroad, or circled by buildings. Hard to imagine that being used in any other way. It at least partially restores a street grid, adds a lot of units to a desirable area including single-family and senior living, and repurposes an old factory site in an exponentially better way than the other parts of Oakley have come together lately. I'd take a development like this this every time as far as mega-developments go.
March 7, 20214 yr The parking lot sea surrounds the apartments, like I said. It's a typology I don't care for. My comment had nothing to do with the rest of the development. And, really, you can't imagine it being any other way?
March 22, 20214 yr Cincinnati Enquirer - Rookwood Place I developer: 'New homeowners realize...what a fabulous place Oakley is' No real new information in the piece but does feature a summary of 6 major developments being planned at the bottom.
March 23, 20214 yr Every time I drive by the strip where Jason's Deli is on edwards facing away from the street, I can't help but cringe.
April 29, 20214 yr Ford's Garage coming to old Don Pablo's in Rookwood. Should this be in Norwood? Looks like they're in touristy areas. Anyone ever been? I like the idea! https://www.fordsgarageusa.com/
April 29, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, Cincinnatus said: Ford's Garage coming to old Don Pablo's in Rookwood. Should this be in Norwood? Looks like they're in touristy areas. Anyone ever been? I like the idea! https://www.fordsgarageusa.com/ I’d think it would be more of a Newport on the levee kind of place or the banks. But to each their own.
April 29, 20214 yr @Ucgrad2015- I think @Cincinnatuswas asking if this news belonged in the Norwood thread (since Rookwood is technically in Norwood).
April 29, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Ucgrad2015 said: I’d think it would be more of a Newport on the levee kind of place or the banks. But to each their own. Newport on the Levee would be great, I wouldn’t put this place at The Banks tho it’s basic classic American menu isn’t needed at all down there especially with Yard House and some others. Rookwood is a good fit too, at the beginning of the video I think he says it’s located in a shopping center so Rookwood may be perfect for it. Edited April 29, 20214 yr by 646empire
May 4, 20214 yr https://theclio.com/entry/23167 5 hours ago, Cincinnatus said: Does anyone have any old photos of the horsetrack that was in Oakley? https://theclio.com/entry/23167
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