^Yeah, that's the edge of Norwood right there.  The development was a disaster.  They replaced a walkable neighborhood with drive-to urbanism. 

2 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

^Yeah, that's the edge of Norwood right there.  The development was a disaster.  They replaced a walkable neighborhood with drive-to urbanism. 

It’s like the whole point is trolling urbanists, flipping around the entrances of the stores so they face the rear parking lot and not the street. 

15 minutes ago, thebillshark said:

It’s like the whole point is trolling urbanists, flipping around the entrances of the stores so they face the rear parking lot and not the street. 

 

The worst is the restaurant at the corner that faces inward instead of outward, with its dumpster and smoking workers right there at the corner. 

Drove by the laundromat on in oakley square where the new habits is supposed to go and all of the washers and dryers have been taken out with construction going on. 

On 6/21/2019 at 3:52 PM, jjakucyk said:

there should be a ped/bike crossing from Appleton to Factory Colony, as well as Verne or 34th to Disney.

The quote above about the total lack of connectivity between Oakley Station/CenterOfCincinnati area and the part of Oakley to the south and west of the railroad tracks is now (late 2019 and Jan-Feb 2020) getting some "serious" consideration.  This is being spurred in part by Neyer Properties who owns the old Kenner toy factory site immediately on south side of tracks from I-71 eastward to 34th & south to Robertson.  Neyer is planning that area to become residential incl single fam all the way to senior apts.  Fall 2019 Neyer paid for some very prelim conceptual drawings of 6 different ways to build a ped-bike tunnel or bridge over/under the tracks connecting 34th & Disney.  There have been some talks with Neyer, the City and Oakley Community Council with tunnel getting more favor than bridge.  More detailed talks scheduled for the Feb OCC public meeting.  OCC is even considering spending >$1M of Oakley TIF monies toward such a project.

On 1/18/2020 at 2:46 PM, Ucgrad2015 said:

Drove by the laundromat on in oakley square where the new habits is supposed to go and all of the washers and dryers have been taken out with construction going on. 

There are no current City permits for work showing online for that location (3029 Madison). Last one showing from 02/24/2014

Edited January 21, 20205 yr by jag09

On 6/20/2019 at 10:09 PM, GCrites80s said:

 

I wouldn't be surprised if the Oakley Community Council has actually gotten worse about urbanism since I lived there in the late 2000s. Most other organizations of this type have gotten better since then at least in the inner rings. Hell, if Clinton Township (Franklin County) of all things (a township!) has banned large setbacks from new construction in addition to adding a host of other pro- urbanist requirements you know there has been a philosophy shift. But look at what Oakley allowed here.

Clinton Township is a government entity, with full authority to implement such controls. Oakley Community Council, like all Cincinnati community councils, is a volunteer advisory entity, has no such authority. They can ask/push the city for such actions, support/not support developer requests for variances/setbacks, but in the end the city has final decision. Oakley Station a perfect example of the city overriding community desires.

Edited January 21, 20205 yr by jag09

On 1/18/2020 at 3:56 PM, 7generations said:

The quote above about the total lack of connectivity between Oakley Station/CenterOfCincinnati area and the part of Oakley to the south and west of the railroad tracks is now (late 2019 and Jan-Feb 2020) getting some "serious" consideration.  This is being spurred in part by Neyer Properties who owns the old Kenner toy factory site immediately on south side of tracks from I-71 eastward to 34th & south to Robertson.  Neyer is planning that area to become residential incl single fam all the way to senior apts.  Fall 2019 Neyer paid for some very prelim conceptual drawings of 6 different ways to build a ped-bike tunnel or bridge over/under the tracks connecting 34th & Disney.  There have been some talks with Neyer, the City and Oakley Community Council with tunnel getting more favor than bridge.  More detailed talks scheduled for the Feb OCC public meeting.  OCC is even considering spending >$1M of Oakley TIF monies toward such a project.

Such a crossing is one of the goals in the Connectivity section of the recently approved Oakley Master Plan. It was raised as want by many in the community. Now comes time to start execution/implementation of many items in the master plan, including this.

 

From the beginning Neyer has demonstrated desire to support & follow many of the goals stated in the plan, including increased number of single family homes & the crossing.

 

Its very early in the process, but Neyer has done a lot of work investigating options , as mentioned above, and the tunnel option appears to be more feasible in terms of costs & obstacles to overcome (railroad, Duke, easements, etc). Council has to do its due diligence to ensure it’s what the community wants, that potential demand/usage exists, and best way to have such construction funded.

5 minutes ago, jag09 said:

  the tunnel option 

 

Imagine the OUTRAGE if they sought to build a roadway underpass rather than simply a pedestrian tunnel.  

2 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

 

Imagine the OUTRAGE if they sought to build a roadway underpass rather than simply a pedestrian tunnel.  

That never a real option, as both the railroad & Duke simply won’t entertain that option. Costs & logistics staggering.

 

And the goal is to reduce the need to drive to/from Oakley Station and provide the thousands of residents in that section of Oakley an alternative.

 

Has potential to drive/influence the undeveloped properties owned by Vandercar and Local Oakley LLC (cast fab site), could be selling point to those hesitant to invest due to traffic/accessibility concerns.

On 8/7/2019 at 11:27 AM, jjakucyk said:

Yep, but this is the same community that closed off access to Arbor, Atlantic, and Hyde Park Avenues, forcing it all onto Madison and Markbreit.  Heck I wouldn't even put it past them to try to close off Markbreit because there's too much traffic, now. 

That was more a back door deal brokered with city officials, something that many in the impacted neighborhood dud not want. Few, if any, board members remain from that time. 
 

A cautionary tale to remind us to always consider consequences of such actions - cars/traffic still have to get to destinations.

35 minutes ago, jag09 said:

Such a crossing is one of the goals in the Connectivity section of the recently approved Oakley Master Plan. It was raised as want by many in the community. Now comes time to start execution/implementation of many items in the master plan, including this.

 

Unfortunately, our current city administration's track record of sticking to "master plans" that were widely supported by the community is...not great.

2 minutes ago, taestell said:

 

Unfortunately, our current city administration's track record of sticking to "master plans" that were widely supported by the community is...not great.

A large part of the equation is how much effort a community puts into engaging the city and its residents in the process. Definitely a challenge in being successful in getting goals implemented. In Oakley, the plan has already been referred to & Influenced actions, even before it was officially approved.

 

Time will tell on this specific project.

On 6/20/2019 at 2:00 PM, taestell said:

 

With Center of Cincinnati there was a major "beggars can't be choosers" attitude from City Hall, i.e. it was better to allow a big box shopping plaza to be built so we would at least have some development in the city. The Planning Department was actually eliminated in 2002 by Mayor Luken, supposedly as a way to "balance the budget" but really so that garbage developments like this could be crammed through. The department came back into existence in 2007 under Mayor Mallory.

 

Then with Oakley Station, there was originally a plan for a walkable mixed-use development called Millworks, which ultimately got scrapped in favor of the strip malls that actually got built there. 

 

What was originally proposed for "Millworks":

 

 

What was actually built after it was renamed Oakley Station:

 

 

Basically, until we have a City Administration that decides walkability, urbanity, transit access, etc. are important things that need to be incorporated into all developments within the city limits, developers are going to get away with building garbage like this.

Jungle Jim’s, main business of new development, backed out due to inability to get road infrastructure upgrades they looking for, left without major tenant. Pretty much killed the initial vision, from what I’m told.

On 10/3/2017 at 1:44 PM, ryanlammi said:

They have been fighting the community council and city for months to try to get that number reduced. We really need to designate no parking requirements for developments in Neighborhood Business Districts unless the parking demand is 2X that required by regular zoning code. Then only require half of what's typically required (or some formula like that).

Community council supported a parking variance at the time.

I drove Madison Rd. from Madisonville into Oakley last weekend for the first time in 2-3 years.  I was struck by how horrible the high tension wires and electrical substation are at the "Crossroads" intersection.  They've been there for 50+ years, of course, but you have to wonder at what point people start calling for the burying of utilities in that area.  There is big money surrounding that intersection on all sides now and Madisonville is being overrun by yuppies.  

Haven’t heard complaints about those lines at any of the community council meetings I’ve been attending for past 5 yrs.  The lines were not mentioned in the recently completed Oakley Master Plan.

15 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

I drove Madison Rd. from Madisonville into Oakley last weekend for the first time in 2-3 years.  I was struck by how horrible the high tension wires and electrical substation are at the "Crossroads" intersection.  They've been there for 50+ years, of course, but you have to wonder at what point people start calling for the burying of utilities in that area.  There is big money surrounding that intersection on all sides now and Madisonville is being overrun by yuppies.  

God, do you ever give the "yuppie" thing a rest? Do you sit at home and fester over the idea of young people investing in neighborhoods that have been seriously neglected for decades? Give it a break, damn.

There is more of a deep-seated disdain for Yuppies in Cincinnati by West Siders, people from Clermont County and out-of-towners for Cincinnati yuppies as compared to say, Columbus ones since they are much more likely to be benefactors of nepotism rather than being hired on merit.

18 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

I drove Madison Rd. from Madisonville into Oakley last weekend for the first time in 2-3 years.  I was struck by how horrible the high tension wires and electrical substation are at the "Crossroads" intersection.  They've been there for 50+ years, of course, but you have to wonder at what point people start calling for the burying of utilities in that area.  There is big money surrounding that intersection on all sides now and Madisonville is being overrun by yuppies.  

The high tension wires extend far beyond that area and to run them underground is a massive undertaking. The wires run along the street would have to be tied into major road reconstruction. New development - such as that proposed on Robertson - will be underground.

 

and you just had to throw random dig in at yuppies? 

#rolleyes

10 hours ago, 7generations said:

Haven’t heard complaints about those lines at any of the community council meetings I’ve been attending for past 5 yrs.  The lines were not mentioned in the recently completed Oakley Master Plan.

There has been discussions with Duke about dressing up the fencing around the substation, but nothing on the overhead wires.

1 hour ago, GCrites80s said:

There is more of a deep-seated disdain for Yuppies in Cincinnati by West Siders, people from Clermont County and out-of-towners for Cincinnati yuppies as compared to say, Columbus ones since they are much more likely to be benefactors of nepotism rather than being hired on merit.

 

Are you saying Cincinnati "yuppies" are more likely to benefit from nepotism? How so? 

In a lot of other cities (Columbus, NYC, LA) most people are from out of town and don't know anyone when they move there.

Most people from Columbus are not from out of town. 

In the context of "yuppies" they are. If you are from here, you probably grew up someplace like the Far East Side, Groveport, Linden or Reynoldsburg with your dad being a fleet manager, shop foreman or in construction.

3 minutes ago, GCrites80s said:

In the context of "yuppies" they are. If you are from here, you probably grew up someplace like the Far East Side, Groveport, Linden or Reynoldsburg with your dad being a fleet manager, shop foreman or in construction.

 

What? Whether or not you are a yuppie doesn't depend on where you grew up or what your dad did for a living. It just means young urban professional. Tons of young urban professionals from Cincinnati are not from here. P&G, Kroger, Fifth Third, etc. all draw young people from all over. Columbus probably draws slightly more yuppies form outside their metro area (but still in Ohio) but both cities are probably similar in drawing out of state yuppies.

How many people that are 27 years old are really able to spend $500k on a new unit without outside help? The trust fund yuppie is the type that's being referred to here. If you're that age and have made that kind of money on you're own please tell me your secret or how many old ladies you ripped off last week.

3 minutes ago, GCrites80s said:

How many people that are 27 years old are really able to spend $500k on a new unit without outside help? The trust fund yuppie is the type that's being referred to here. If you're that age and have made that kind of money on you're own please tell me your secret or how many old ladies you ripped off last week.

 

Umm... there's very few 27 year olds spending $500k on any unit in either Cincy or Cbus. I don't think I've ever met one. Maybe there's a perception in Clermont County or Reynoldsburg that it is happening but it isn't. Your typical yuppie in either city is buying a house/condo in their late 20s or early 30s and is buying in the 200 to 300k range. The folks buying $500k and up units are not yuppies. They're in their 50s and 60s.

Even if you and your co-workers are able to buy 200-300K properties without outside assistance, keep in mind that a lot of other people have gotten outside help. For the most part, young people aren't very forthcoming with this information. I am. There is no way I could have started my crappy business and bought my cheap house without family wealth.

Why does anyone care what other people do with their own money and/or their families money?  

^It goes back to the Whole right-Wing narrative of "all rich people did everything on their own using bootstraps, so therefore noone else should complain that they don't have healthcare, can't feed their families, or suffer from poverty"

I'm getting a sense here that users here feel that their personal identity is somehow being confronted just because they themselves were able to afford nice things on their own while they were/are young. Please understand that people need to be able to separate their own sense of identity from their situation and think about how others in their neighborhood can fit a common narrative without they themselves feeling like they are being accused of the same thing.

folks - can we try to focus on Oakley development here?

22 hours ago, jwulsin said:

folks - can we try to focus on Oakley development here?

Yes please.

 

There is so much development that has been done in recent years, many proposed/potential new developments, several vacant/available parcels, and the usual turnover as business leave. You can find a map that outlines the most current situation (as I know it) here:

 

https://drive.google.com/open?id=11hGk83kMsKogIN-ekHwKl8kcdzKEaePx&usp=sharing

 

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2020/03/19/exclusive-local-developer-plans-300-plus-unit.html?iana=hpmvp_cinci_news_headline
 

I cannot wait to see this site plus the site across the tracks fully developed. 

576 parking spaces for 316 apartments? Am I reading that wrong?

 

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Residents will be able to pull into the garages, park their cars and take an elevator up to their floor. There would be 263 covered parking spaces with another 313 surface spaces for the development.

 

That’s about 1.8 per unit, and allows spaces for guests. 20 spots are “ghosted” - included in the plan but will only be made available if needed; otherwise, they will be green space with plantings.

$100+ million residential development in Oakley receives key approval 

 

 

A planned more than $100 million residential development in the heart of Oakley received a key approval on May 22.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2020/05/27/100-million-residential-development-in-oakley.html

So is the sliver on the bottom left not included in this development?  Or does it just not need a zoning change? 

7 minutes ago, Cincy513 said:

So is the sliver on the bottom left not included in this development?  Or does it just not need a zoning change? 

I'm not 100% sure, but I think that corner is not included in the development.

1 hour ago, Cincy513 said:

So is the sliver on the bottom left not included in this development?  Or does it just not need a zoning change? 

 

It was never shown as part of the master plan. 

Playground or Gazebo?  Coin flip.  

Does anyone know what the price will be on those lots?

2 hours ago, ucgrady said:

 

It was never shown as part of the master plan. 

It is not part of the property purchased by Neyer and not part of the project. Those are the self-storage units.

10 minutes ago, cincydave8 said:

Does anyone know what the price will be on those lots?

Neyer is still evaluating potential builders/partners for the single family section, so no pricing information has been made available. Also unknown is impact of covid-19 on future demand/market, which is a factor in pricing.

40 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

Playground or Gazebo?  Coin flip.  

Playground has additional ongoing maintenance/liability costs than does a gazebo. But no final decisions have been at this point.

Are the single family lots going to be pre built or only built after someone purchases one? 

4 minutes ago, Ucgrad2015 said:

Are the single family lots going to be pre built or only built after someone purchases one? 

Good question, I’m not sure but I’ll ask the Neyer reps. They have mentioned at one point that the SF piece be done in sections and be the last to be totally completed, but thought total development time to @3 years start to finish. That implies some level of build as purchased, but again I’ll try to verify.

49 minutes ago, jag09 said:

Playground has additional ongoing maintenance/liability costs than does a gazebo. But no final decisions have been at this point.

 

Playgrounds at this point are so safe and balless that kids have more chance of hurting themselves on the gazebo

2 hours ago, GCrites80s said:

 

hurting themselves on the gazebo

 

Gazebos are the new 10-foot diving board.