31 minutes ago, Cleburger said:

 

It's a shame they aren't changing the width between 117th and Clifton.   With the cars parked on the South side there isn't much clearance so most people drive partially in the turning lane anyway.  

 

That's a dangerous stretch of road for sure. I've had quite a few road ragers behind me when I had the audacity to stop for pedestrians in those crosswalks. 

 

So how many units are we talking about on this parcel?

9 minutes ago, simplythis said:

So how many units are we talking about on this parcel?

 

Five.

Nearby residents seemed skeptical that there would be enough parking and space for five units. Hope it works out.

2 hours ago, Cavalier Attitude said:

Nearby residents seemed skeptical that there would be enough parking and space for five units. Hope it works out.

 

I didn't understand their arguments on parking, which seemed to be centered around guests.   Do they fear a non-stop party?  🤦‍♂️

Arguments about the lack of parking never need to be logical in Cleveland to be made.

I'm not sure about that development honestly. Hard to see the direct impact if they go through with it, but on the surface it seems fine to me too? The Tremont complaints about the 40-something unit with no parking (proposed) were complaining that already-at capacity public parking would become too scarce. It's hard to carry over those exact same complaints because it's a different place and smaller scale.

 

 

Now this is a definite welcome sight! The Horizon childcare site being cleared today.

Edited December 11, 20204 yr by marty15

13 minutes ago, marty15 said:

Now this is a definite welcome sight! The Horizon childcare site being cleared today.

 

 

What a shame! Those 1900 signers of the petition didn't have enough time to clean it up. If only they had another 9 years!

Now this is a definite welcome sight! The Horizon childcare site being cleared today.

I hope those row homes get renovated soon. An absolute gem.

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I hope those row homes get renovated soon. An absolute gem.

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I believe the developer landed a $600k grant to go towards renovating them. Separate developer than Horizon.

I believe the developer landed a $600k grant to go towards renovating them. Separate developer than Horizon.

Who is the developer? Just curious


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Amazon signage up!

^HAHA, at first I thought this was a joke! Look at the thread above and the rowhouse pic and the Amazon pic. It looks like Amazon bought the townhomes and changed them overnight. Would have been a brilliant joke.

 

MyPhoneDead: I hope those row homes get renovated soon. An absolute gem.

 

marty15: I believe the developer landed a $600k grant to go towards renovating them. Separate developer than Horizon.

 

Nate: Who's the developer, just curious

 

marty15: Amazon

Edited December 25, 20204 yr by metrocity
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On 12/16/2020 at 8:45 PM, nate said:

Who is the developer? Just curious


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Smart Development. They're a relatively new nonprofit.

On 12/27/2020 at 9:49 PM, jws said:

Smart Development. They're a relatively new nonprofit.

Just checked out their website. They seem to be preaching about the need for affordable housing and equity in housing. So, hopefully this means they are renovating the units to meet a demand for affordable housing. 

A couple new construction homes by Knez on West 85th, inside the “triangle”. Great to see development spreading further west.

Right next door to a friend's house. They have been hearing about these houses planned for a long time. In fact the house they rent is proposed for demolition and do construction.

6 minutes ago, KJP said:

Right next door to a friend's house. They have been hearing about these houses planned for a long time. In fact the house they rent is proposed for demolition and do construction.

Gotta be the first new construction in that slice of the neighborhood in decades. Would be nice to see the city put some money into the park there. 

I didn't even know that park was there until I took a van tour of the neighborhood a few years ago with Cudell Improvement and I've lived at the east end of Lakewood since 1996.

3 hours ago, marty15 said:

Gotta be the first new construction in that slice of the neighborhood in decades. Would be nice to see the city put some money into the park there. 

The pool received some work a year or so ago. There has already been engagement with the neighbors about what they'd like to see done with Lake Park. Both Lake Park and (I think) Cudell Commons are supposed to be receiving large improvements soon. The Cudell Commons improvements will probably be synced with the demolition and rebuilding of Marion C Seltzer elementary school and I'm not sure if CMSD has a date for that, yet.

6 hours ago, jws said:

The pool received some work a year or so ago. There has already been engagement with the neighbors about what they'd like to see done with Lake Park. Both Lake Park and (I think) Cudell Commons are supposed to be receiving large improvements soon. The Cudell Commons improvements will probably be synced with the demolition and rebuilding of Marion C Seltzer elementary school and I'm not sure if CMSD has a date for that, yet.

Thanks! It definitely needs a refreshing. It looks straight out of 1980. And would be cool if they could plant a tree. Even just one would be great.

Edited January 4, 20214 yr by marty15

Three new rent-to-own houses on Kirkwood (right behind Belinda's Nightclub). I'm really pleased with how this infill looks, as the elevations were never widely published prior to construction. There are 20 (maybe a few more, I forget) houses being built south of Madison Ave and primarily on the Detroit Shoreway side of W85. These are part of a project by CHN and DSCDO with a few being placed in the current Cudell Improvement service area.

Fix your infrastructure, NS....

 

Cleveland residents claim Norfolk Southern rail bridge has been dropping concrete chunks for years

https://www.rtands.com/freight/residents-claim-norfolk-southern-rail-bridge-has-been-dropping-concrete-chunks-for-years/

 

17 hours ago, KJP said:

Fix your infrastructure, NS....

 

Cleveland residents claim Norfolk Southern rail bridge has been dropping concrete chunks for years

https://www.rtands.com/freight/residents-claim-norfolk-southern-rail-bridge-has-been-dropping-concrete-chunks-for-years/

 

It has been designated historical correct?  

My fear is NS would just build some modern concrete monstrosity in it's place...

 

2 hours ago, KJP said:

 

Metroparks just ditched the plan

 

 

30 minutes ago, inlovewithCLE said:

Metroparks just ditched the plan

 

 

 

Was there some meeting or decision today?

2 hours ago, KJP said:

 

Was there some meeting or decision today?

https://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/2021/09/cleveland-metroparks-officials-scuttle-plans-to-create-bike-friendly-sidewalks-in-edgewater-opposition-from-lake-avenue-residents.html

57 minutes ago, inlovewithCLE said:

https://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/2021/09/cleveland-metroparks-officials-scuttle-plans-to-create-bike-friendly-sidewalks-in-edgewater-opposition-from-lake-avenue-residents.html

NIMBYs strike again. 

8 minutes ago, Cleburger said:

NIMBYs strike again. 

 

SMDH. You have to wonder why they live in the city in the first place...

A little bit from the article for those who can’t read it

 

“David Bowen, the chairman of the City Planning Commission and a longtime Lake Avenue resident, even said at a June 2 virtual meeting the Metroparks proposal may convince him to leave. He contrasted the proposal with an attack he said he suffered outside his front door in the early 2000s. “It would be a shame that a gang can’t chase me away but the Metroparks can,” he said, a remark he later said he regretted.

 

A website opposing the project suggested as an alternative putting “sharrows” – roadway markings that indicate that drivers should share the lane with bicyclists – along Edgewater Drive, the next street to the north of Lake Avenue. The same website also featured letters from mayoral candidates Dennis Kucinich and Kevin Kelley. Kucinich, a former mayor and congressman, wrote to Edgewater North Homeowners Association President Linda Meglin that “in one of my first acts in office as Mayor of Cleveland, I will withdraw the city from participation in the Metroparks plans for Lake Avenue North and work with you to restore conditions to what they were before this ill-advised process began.” He called the proposal “vandalism.”

Kelley, currently the council president, wrote that if he needed to intervene, he would push to put the proposal on hold until a new mayor takes office next year.”

Ah, but they don't perceive themselves to be part of "the city," but are rather an entity unto themselves.

Also wouldn't they be more appropriately referred to as NIMFYs?  

 

If the new bike-friendly sidewalks are paid for with a personal property assessment or if they are required to yield any personal property for the new bike-friendly right-of-way, or if there are homeowner insurance ramifications, or they just don't want to back their cars or walk their dogs across an onslaught of unpredictable high-speed type-A cycle commuters on the trail, then I'm more likely to be sympathetic.  - But but of such things I have no certain knowledge.

Edited September 7, 20213 yr by ExPatClevGuy

Time for David Bowen to resign from the planning commission. Not only does he espouse ignorant and exclusionary planning outcomes, he is a shill for the likes of the George family and their efforts to complicate Irishtown Bend Park for personal gain. He doesn't belong the Cleveland we are trying to build. He belongs in the dustbin of Cleveland's failed history...

 

Sharrows are an answer only for the ignorant:

https://www.theodysseyonline.com/8-reasons-sharrows-dangerous

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-05/study-sharrows-might-be-more-dangerous-to-cyclists-than-having-no-bike-infrastructure

 

If my son gets hurt or killed riding his bike to Edgewater Park, the blood will be on their hands.

25 minutes ago, KJP said:

Time for David Bowen to resign from the planning commission. Not only does he espouse ignorant and exclusionary planning outcomes, he is a shill for the likes of the George family and their efforts to complicate Irishtown Bend Park for personal gain. He doesn't belong the Cleveland we are trying to build. He belongs in the dustbin of Cleveland's failed history...

 

 

I'm really angry about this. David Bowen being behind it adds salt to the wound as he is a sleezeball as previously demonstrated by his sketchy Irishtown Bend dealings not to mention how much $$$ the city paid his firm to move their HQ downtown. Welcome to Cleveland, where our planning commission chairman protests bike lanes in his neighborhood!

 

I have a Lake Ave address (in one of the apts) and I attended all the meetings to try to show neighborhood support but obviously the homeowners won out. 

 

I've never done anything like it before, but I kind of envision some kind of protest where we get a bunch of cyclists to all walk our bikes down that sidewalk and make a little noise. Who wants in?

Edited September 7, 20213 yr by mu2010

1 minute ago, mu2010 said:

I've never done anything like it before, but I kind of envision some kind of protest where we get a bunch of cyclists to all walk our bikes down that sidewalk and make a little noise. Who wants in?

 

Careful, you wouldn't want David Bowen to move. 

Urge his resignation from planning commission. Organize it and I'll help promote it.

3 minutes ago, KJP said:

Urge his resignation from planning commission. Organize it and I'll help promote it.

 

I'm looking at the protest permitting process right now and also trying to build a case. I think I would like to do this, I will be in touch.

 

Does anyone know who's behind the "Safe Lake Avenue" group who was in favor of the project? https://www.safelakeavenue.org/

 

Also, in the interest of having an airtight case I'd love to find out the conclusions of the arborist that metroparks supposedly hired, I wonder if that's public record.

Normally homeowners have to pay for sidewalk repairs (and new sidewalk builds). They also have to maintain them (ie shovel snow). Metroparks was going to build and maintain these at no cost to the homeowners. 
 

Since these sidewalks are currently in bad shape, I think the city should issue an assessment to homeowners for the full cost of repairing the sidewalks as is. This would be thousands of dollars per home. Offer that the owners can only get out of the assessment if they ALL agree to drop their objections to the Metroparks proposal. Play hardball and improve the city. 

1 hour ago, mu2010 said:

 

 

I'm really angry about this. David Bowen being behind it adds salt to the wound as he is a sleezeball as previously demonstrated by his sketchy Irishtown Bend dealings not to mention how much $$$ the city paid his firm to move their HQ downtown. Welcome to Cleveland, where our planning commission chairman protests bike lanes in his neighborhood!

 

I have a Lake Ave address (in one of the apts) and I attended all the meetings to try to show neighborhood support but obviously the homeowners won out. 

 

I've never done anything like it before, but I kind of envision some kind of protest where we get a bunch of cyclists to all walk our bikes down that sidewalk and make a little noise. Who wants in?

I don’t know much about David Bowen and this is one of those rare topics that I don’t have a strong opinion on one way or the other. But for him to threaten to move out of the city because of this seems kinda wack. Especially with him being head of the Planning Commission. That’s a bit absurd 

I'm going to be honest, I have not seen the proposed designs for the bike path, nor do I have great familiarity with Lake Ave. But as a parent of small children, I would be very cautious about having the sidewalk in front of my house turned into a bike lane. At our house, the sidewalk is a sort of extension of the front yard, a great place for sidewalk chalk or bouncing balls. It's where neighbors gather to chat, walk dogs or stroll aimlessly. But having walked and had family rides on bike paths like the towpath in CVNP or the Lakefront Bike Trail, and having to jump out of the way of speeding cyclists treating the path like the tour de France, I would be scared for my child's and neighbors safety if a bike trail was put in front of my house. In my head I am comparing this the a bike path that was put on Fairhill near 127th. The design of this path has the feeling of a road replacing a sidewalk. But there are no signs directing cyclists to yield to pedestrians or limit their speed. No stop signs at corners. It's just asphalt where the sidewalk used to be.

 

The question I have is how does the design of this bike path ensure a safe environment for all? Again, I have not seen any plans.

34 minutes ago, scg80 said:

I'm going to be honest, I have not seen the proposed designs for the bike path, nor do I have great familiarity with Lake Ave. But as a parent of small children, I would be very cautious about having the sidewalk in front of my house turned into a bike lane. At our house, the sidewalk is a sort of extension of the front yard, a great place for sidewalk chalk or bouncing balls. It's where neighbors gather to chat, walk dogs or stroll aimlessly. But having walked and had family rides on bike paths like the towpath in CVNP or the Lakefront Bike Trail, and having to jump out of the way of speeding cyclists treating the path like the tour de France, I would be scared for my child's and neighbors safety if a bike trail was put in front of my house. In my head I am comparing this the a bike path that was put on Fairhill near 127th. The design of this path has the feeling of a road replacing a sidewalk. But there are no signs directing cyclists to yield to pedestrians or limit their speed. No stop signs at corners. It's just asphalt where the sidewalk used to be.

 

The question I have is how does the design of this bike path ensure a safe environment for all? Again, I have not seen any plans.

 

 

I do understand these points, and i wish there was room for a bike lane. What gets me mad about the opposition to this project is Bowen's influence and some of the ridiculous arguments they are using on their website, such as:

 

1) there's no demand for a bike lane here because they don't get a lot of cyclists as things are right now

 

2) the extra concrete will cause environmental issues like drainage and runoff problems and climate change

 

And many more.

 

If the Metroparks and county redouble their efforts to develop the shoreline with an all-purpose trail and lake erosion protection, and these Edgewater/Lake characters fight that too, then I would hope the Metroparks don't give up so easily and instead use eminent domain to do what needs to be done. 

6 minutes ago, KJP said:

If the Metroparks and county redouble their efforts to develop the shoreline with an all-purpose trail and lake erosion protection, and these Edgewater/Lake characters fight that too, then I would hope the Metroparks don't give up so easily and instead use eminent domain to do what needs to be done. 

^^this is the best possible solution to the problem.  

3 hours ago, KJP said:

If the Metroparks and county redouble their efforts to develop the shoreline with an all-purpose trail and lake erosion protection, and these Edgewater/Lake characters fight that too, then I would hope the Metroparks don't give up so easily and instead use eminent domain to do what needs to be done. 

I feel where you’re coming from, but that’s not gonna happen. You’re talking about some of the most prominent/influential people within the city limits living here. And this isn’t new money. This is old money. Which has deeper and more longstanding connections to folks in power. What they want is gonna happen and what they don’t want is not gonna happen. We all know that. Those who have the gold make the rules. 🤷‍♂️

Edited September 8, 20213 yr by inlovewithCLE

4 hours ago, inlovewithCLE said:

I feel where you’re coming from, but that’s not gonna happen. You’re talking about some of the most prominent/influential people within the city limits living here. And this isn’t new money. This is old money. Which has deeper and more longstanding connections to folks in power. What they want is gonna happen and what they don’t want is not gonna happen. We all know that. Those who have the gold make the rules. 🤷‍♂️

 

And why shouldn't they, in their own neighborhood where they and their families have lived for decades?

If you want people like that to keep living in the city limits instead of bailing out to Bay or Avon, some consideration of their preferences is essential.  Especially where they live.

45 minutes ago, E Rocc said:

 

And why shouldn't they, in their own neighborhood where they and their families have lived for decades?

If you want people like that to keep living in the city limits instead of bailing out to Bay or Avon, some consideration of their preferences is essential.  Especially where they live.

Cleveland has lost so many families with money to the suburbs like Bay and Avon for decades, the people in these neighborhoods leaving honestly wouldn't change much.

51 minutes ago, E Rocc said:

 

And why shouldn't they, in their own neighborhood where they and their families have lived for decades?

If you want people like that to keep living in the city limits instead of bailing out to Bay or Avon, some consideration of their preferences is essential.  Especially where they live.

We’d be doing them a favor, that’s clearly where they want to be.

5 hours ago, inlovewithCLE said:

I feel where you’re coming from, but that’s not gonna happen. You’re talking about some of the most prominent/influential people within the city limits living here. And this isn’t new money. This is old money. Which has deeper and more longstanding connections to folks in power. What they want is gonna happen and what they don’t want is not gonna happen. We all know that. Those who have the gold make the rules. 🤷‍♂️

 

The difference is Mother Nature. She has the final say. And with climate change, we're seeing higher lake levels and increased rates of erosion. You may think you own the land and the shoreline, but they actually own you. Show some respect. Build the lakefront trail.