July 17, 2024Jul 17 6 hours ago, dwolfi01 said: I'm really confused why this is such a contentious issue. I've only read about this on and off in passing really and it seems people really want an abandoned building to stay there. Any reason why? Not like there's 3 gas stations there already that I could see. Really I checked google maps and didn't see any close at all. Sounds like a good idea unless I'm missing something. As gas station is just a convenience store that, for some reason, you're allowed to park your running Harley outside at 3 am and blast music at 120db. Also, many in the neighborhood don't have cars, and there is also a convenience store 2 blocks away. This development does little for the neighborhood and just helps create pollution and congestion while serving commuters racing through the streets to the Shoreway.
July 17, 2024Jul 17 10 minutes ago, Enginerd said: I have never heard of Danny Kelly until now… Bet you've heard of his dad before. Danny Green.
July 17, 2024Jul 17 36 minutes ago, E Rocc said: Bet you've heard of his dad before. Danny Green. I wear my Robinhood of Collinwood shirt with his pic on it at least 3x a month
July 17, 2024Jul 17 11 hours ago, X said: Allow a gas station, but make them build the retail spaces in front and put the pumps around back. This is the way
July 17, 2024Jul 17 2 minutes ago, YABO713 said: I wear my Robinhood of Collinwood shirt with his pic on it at least 3x a month I tagged the "Ka Boom" mural on Waterloo as the Danny Green Memorial Wall on Facebook. There's a duplicate of the car he got blown up with in front of the Boardwalk bar, I guess the Woytons who own it also own the lot where the mural is.
July 17, 2024Jul 17 3 minutes ago, YABO713 said: This is the way Good idea, the only concern is that hidden away pumps make it harder for CPD to roll by so they could be trouble magnets. Make them install cameras.
July 17, 2024Jul 17 8 hours ago, E Rocc said: Good idea, the only concern is that hidden away pumps make it harder for CPD to roll by so they could be trouble magnets. Make them install cameras. All gas stations seem to be trouble magnets at night. You would think that CPD wouldn't just roll by, but would make it SOP to take a minute and roll through gas stations on a regular basis.
July 19, 2024Jul 19 On 7/16/2024 at 10:10 PM, dwolfi01 said: I'm really confused why this is such a contentious issue. I've only read about this on and off in passing really and it seems people really want an abandoned building to stay there. Any reason why? Not like there's 3 gas stations there already that I could see. Really I checked google maps and didn't see any close at all. Sounds like a good idea unless I'm missing something. 1. Located next to a school 2. Located next to Cudell Park and Rec Center 3. dangerous intersection with reckless driving 4. Gas stations increase crime 5. Within 100 feet of residential on three sides 6. 5 minute walk to an RTA redline station 7. Gas stations are horrible for the environment and end up as brownfields. 8. There’s 5 other gas stations within a mile and all of them are closer to the highway, so this wouldn’t even be a convenient stop 9. The councilperson is trying to overturn a legal governing board and nullify the entire point of why zoning exists by rezoning this property 10. Look up who the consultant is. Samir Muhammad.
July 19, 2024Jul 19 On 7/17/2024 at 7:34 PM, X said: All gas stations seem to be trouble magnets at night. You would think that CPD wouldn't just roll by, but would make it SOP to take a minute and roll through gas stations on a regular basis. That would be great if we weren't getting call for service all night. I used to sit at stations when I could but it's unrealistic with call volume in the summer, and our current staffing.
July 19, 2024Jul 19 1 hour ago, noname said: 1. Located next to a school 2. Located next to Cudell Park and Rec Center 3. dangerous intersection with reckless driving 4. Gas stations increase crime 5. Within 100 feet of residential on three sides 6. 5 minute walk to an RTA redline station 7. Gas stations are horrible for the environment and end up as brownfields. 8. There’s 5 other gas stations within a mile and all of them are closer to the highway, so this wouldn’t even be a convenient stop 9. The councilperson is trying to overturn a legal governing board and nullify the entire point of why zoning exists by rezoning this property 10. Look up who the consultant is. Samir Muhammad. Quite a long list. I was already against it before these 10 items but the logic of building this doesn't make sense. Can't they just rework this building, and add storefronts similar to the design they proposed? Maybe add storefronts that face the front of the street. The parking section, parking already exist to the right of the building (when facing it from Madison Avenue), can the property zoning be split to allow the corner lot to be saved for a TOD Development in the future?
July 19, 2024Jul 19 1 hour ago, MyPhoneDead said: Quite a long list. I was already against it before these 10 items but the logic of building this doesn't make sense. Can't they just rework this building, and add storefronts similar to the design they proposed? Maybe add storefronts that face the front of the street. The parking section, parking already exist to the right of the building (when facing it from Madison Avenue), can the property zoning be split to allow the corner lot to be saved for a TOD Development in the future? Or the city buys it, tears it down and expands Cudell Commons Park.
July 19, 2024Jul 19 No reason to allow a gas station. There is no shortage of them in Cleveland. This is just the lowest common denominator type of development and isn't going anywhere for decades once it's built. Just look at all of the gas stations (existing or abandoned) around Ohio City and Detroit-Shoreway that are on prime development spots. Edited July 19, 2024Jul 19 by Rustbelter
July 19, 2024Jul 19 On 7/17/2024 at 7:34 PM, X said: All gas stations seem to be trouble magnets at night. You would think that CPD wouldn't just roll by, but would make it SOP to take a minute and roll through gas stations on a regular basis. All the stations in the city and much of the inner ring are, yes. Down in the Nordonia area or Mentor, not so much. This supports your point, I am curious how places like Lakewood, Cleveland Heights, Shaker Heights, and Parma are. Euclid also has an assertive PD, I haven't really noticed too much going on there.
July 19, 2024Jul 19 4 hours ago, KFM44107 said: That would be great if we weren't getting call for service all night. I used to sit at stations when I could but it's unrealistic with call volume in the summer, and our current staffing. No criticism of CPD was implied, I think we all know how it is for you. I'd require them to install cameras on the lot, many used to have them to deter fuel theft. Of course, when the owners want to be hangouts, that's a different matter.
July 19, 2024Jul 19 Gas station aside, if city council actually overturns planning to perform this type of spot zoning, it sets a significant precedent which means any zoning reforms (form-based code, etc.) effectively have an "opt-out" option for any developer, organization, or other stakeholder who decides they don't want to comply as long as that ward's councilperson is behind them.
July 19, 2024Jul 19 If you put the gas station in the back, then you're just pushing all the noise and fumes onto kids playing in the park and youth sports practices. Besides, I'm sure their plan is just to repurpose the existing building and put the pumps between the building and West Blvd. I'm with the residents that successfully protested this to the zoning board, and people on here that agree with them. I don't understand why Kelly is fighting so hard for a gas station his constituents are strongly against. I get that a vacant property next to a park isn't ideal, but I bet the parents of the kids in that park prefer the current situation over a gas station and discount cell phone store. There are at least 10 gas stations already within a 1 mile radius of this site. Sometimes you just have to be patient instead of going with the worst option for the corner just because it's currently the only option. Why isn't Kelly as concerned with the closed Dollar General property less than a quarter mile down on Madison that looks like an unofficial junk yard and a major fire risk? Or the land on W85 by the Family Dollar that is filled with trash and rusting metal?
July 19, 2024Jul 19 1 hour ago, PlanCleveland said: If you put the gas station in the back, then you're just pushing all the noise and fumes onto kids playing in the park and youth sports practices. Besides, I'm sure their plan is just to repurpose the existing building and put the pumps between the building and West Blvd. I'm with the residents that successfully protested this to the zoning board, and people on here that agree with them. I don't understand why Kelly is fighting so hard for a gas station his constituents are strongly against. I get that a vacant property next to a park isn't ideal, but I bet the parents of the kids in that park prefer the current situation over a gas station and discount cell phone store. There are at least 10 gas stations already within a 1 mile radius of this site. Sometimes you just have to be patient instead of going with the worst option for the corner just because it's currently the only option. Why isn't Kelly as concerned with the closed Dollar General property less than a quarter mile down on Madison that looks like an unofficial junk yard and a major fire risk? Or the land on W85 by the Family Dollar that is filled with trash and rusting metal? Part of the issue is that none of the local residents are his actual constituents. Ward 11 juts through the neighborhood and doesn't include most of the surrounding land. This is Ward 11, and the red dot is this property. Edited July 19, 2024Jul 19 by jws
July 19, 2024Jul 19 1 hour ago, PlanCleveland said: If you put the gas station in the back, then you're just pushing all the noise and fumes onto kids playing in the park and youth sports practices. Besides, I'm sure their plan is just to repurpose the existing building and put the pumps between the building and West Blvd. I'm with the residents that successfully protested this to the zoning board, and people on here that agree with them. I don't understand why Kelly is fighting so hard for a gas station his constituents are strongly against. I get that a vacant property next to a park isn't ideal, but I bet the parents of the kids in that park prefer the current situation over a gas station and discount cell phone store. There are at least 10 gas stations already within a 1 mile radius of this site. Sometimes you just have to be patient instead of going with the worst option for the corner just because it's currently the only option. Why isn't Kelly as concerned with the closed Dollar General property less than a quarter mile down on Madison that looks like an unofficial junk yard and a major fire risk? Or the land on W85 by the Family Dollar that is filled with trash and rusting metal? To your last question, it ain’t his ward!
July 19, 2024Jul 19 1 hour ago, jws said: Part of the issue is that none of the local residents are his actual constituents. Ward 11 juts through the neighborhood and doesn't include most of the surrounding land. This is Ward 11, and the red dot is this property. Oh wow that's certainly an Ohio gerrymandering type of ward...
October 9, 2024Oct 9 Although it is from August, I just got this. https://www.axios.com/local/cleveland/2024/08/21/cleveland-city-council-override-planning-commission-gas-station-madison?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axioslocal_cleveland&stream=top
October 9, 2024Oct 9 From the other day, they're really trying to muscle the gas station through... "Near the end of council’s Sept. 30 meeting, Ward 17 Council Member Charles Slife spoke about public comment. He said he learned from council staff that two people dropped off registration forms at City Hall for all 10 speakers, the maximum number of commenters allowed at a meeting... ...All 10 speakers spoke in favor of a re-zoning proposal in Cudell, a neighborhood in Wards 11 and 15. If passed, the legislation could pave the way for a gas station at Madison Avenue and West Boulevard." https://signalcleveland.org/cleveland-city-council-member-warns-of-public-comment-monopoly/
October 9, 2024Oct 9 22 minutes ago, GISguy said: From the other day, they're really trying to muscle the gas station through... "Near the end of council’s Sept. 30 meeting, Ward 17 Council Member Charles Slife spoke about public comment. He said he learned from council staff that two people dropped off registration forms at City Hall for all 10 speakers, the maximum number of commenters allowed at a meeting... ...All 10 speakers spoke in favor of a re-zoning proposal in Cudell, a neighborhood in Wards 11 and 15. If passed, the legislation could pave the way for a gas station at Madison Avenue and West Boulevard." https://signalcleveland.org/cleveland-city-council-member-warns-of-public-comment-monopoly/ Part of me feels like he is getting a kick back from the developer on this. There is no way someone works this hard to get a GAS STATION built. If it was a 115 unit transformative project receiving pushback? Sure go for it. But a gas station, something that is common throughout the city, is odd.
October 9, 2024Oct 9 4 minutes ago, MyPhoneDead said: Part of me feels like he is getting a kick back from the developer on this. There is no way someone works this hard to get a GAS STATION built. If it was a 115 unit transformative project receiving pushback? Sure go for it. But a gas station, something that is common throughout the city, is odd. I mean just google the 'developer' and his background. Real standup guy. Your assumption is probably correct in one way or another.
October 9, 2024Oct 9 35 minutes ago, MyPhoneDead said: Part of me feels like he is getting a kick back from the developer on this. There is no way someone works this hard to get a GAS STATION built. If it was a 115 unit transformative project receiving pushback? Sure go for it. But a gas station, something that is common throughout the city, is odd. I read it as Slife pushing back against the obvious tactics from the gas station builder to exploit the public comment process... not sure where you are seeing suggestions of a kick-back.
October 9, 2024Oct 9 34 minutes ago, ML11 said: I read it as Slife pushing back against the obvious tactics from the gas station builder to exploit the public comment process... not sure where you are seeing suggestions of a kick-back. I assumed it was aimed at Danny K., Slife is a good egg in my book.
October 9, 2024Oct 9 On 7/17/2024 at 4:35 AM, Cleburger said: As gas station is just a convenience store that, for some reason, you're allowed to park your running Harley outside at 3 am and blast music at 120db. Also, many in the neighborhood don't have cars, and there is also a convenience store 2 blocks away. This development does little for the neighborhood and just helps create pollution and congestion while serving commuters racing through the streets to the Shoreway. I only know the area while cutting thru and seems a gas station is last thing needed. Isn’t this area eligible for TOD? Aren’t there several nearby already? Why not workforce housing with daycare and job training/ESL classes on ground floor to serve the neighborhood. I fear a gas station at this major crossroad would only serve as another meet up spot for the street takeover car gangs and their fan club. Edited October 9, 2024Oct 9 by Willo
October 9, 2024Oct 9 2 hours ago, Willo said: I only know the area while cutting thru and seems a gas station is last thing needed. Isn’t this area eligible for TOD? Aren’t there several nearby already? Why not workforce housing with daycare and job training/ESL classes on ground floor to serve the neighborhood. I fear a gas station at this major crossroad would only serve as another meet up spot for the street takeover car gangs and their fan club. Please email this to Councilman Kelly: [email protected]
December 2, 2024Dec 2 Has anyone heard anything about Depot on Detroit? Drove past it the other day and noticed nothing happening on the site...
December 4, 2024Dec 4 ^Bumping the above, and also 6400 Herman Ave is on the agenda for planning commission Friday for schematic approval, the former warehouse will be apartments fronting Herman Park: https://planning.clevelandohio.gov/designreview/drcagenda/2024/PDF/CPC/CPC12-06-2024.pdf
December 4, 2024Dec 4 On 12/2/2024 at 1:51 PM, Geowizical said: Has anyone heard anything about Depot on Detroit? Drove past it the other day and noticed nothing happening on the site... A building permit requested in October 2023 has been processed and a permit issuance is pending. Numerous additional permit applications for electrical, plumbing, HVAC, sewer connections, etc. have not been submitted. A TIF for the Shoreway Tower is also on the agenda, along with a few other interesting things I'd like to write about. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 4, 2024Dec 4 Cross-posted from the West Park thread..... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 7, 2024Dec 7 Sad news to report. An icon is leaving us..... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 8, 2024Dec 8 oh geez thats probably not unexpected, but sad to hear. its a true old school classic.
December 8, 2024Dec 8 Dang. We are losing restaurants that have been around a long time - Sokolowski's, Corky and Lenny's and now Tick Tock.
December 9, 2024Dec 9 Everyone on Reddit seems to be either apathetic or outright relieved that Tick Tock is closing. Apparently its been a punch palace with fights breaking out on the patio and spilling on the sidewalk pretty regularly. Also, saying the food was awful. As someone who just moved around the corner from there, can't say that I'm too sad about it if what Reddit says is true. Historic or not, its a sh*thole lmao
December 9, 2024Dec 9 On 12/7/2024 at 9:05 PM, LibertyBlvd said: Dang. We are losing restaurants that have been around a long time - Sokolowski's, Corky and Lenny's and now Tick Tock. Cycle of restaurant life - well before that the beloved Fanny’s in North Collinwood on E 156th. https://architecturalafterlife.com/2018/06/demolishing-fannys-memories-of-a-cleveland-diner/ We were surprised to realize it now seems to be the site of 6 new modular townhouses mentioned in KJPs recent story.
December 9, 2024Dec 9 1 hour ago, Zagapi said: Everyone on Reddit seems to be either apathetic or outright relieved that Tick Tock is closing. Apparently its been a punch palace with fights breaking out on the patio and spilling on the sidewalk pretty regularly. Also, saying the food was awful. As someone who just moved around the corner from there, can't say that I'm too sad about it if what Reddit says is true. Historic or not, its a sh*thole lmao As someone who has lived several blocks west of it for 28 years, I think we're more upset about the loss of an icon that was a great place for ribs and other quality, affordable food for many decades. And I wouldn't say apathetic. So far, the article has racked up 35,543 views. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 9, 2024Dec 9 4 hours ago, KJP said: As someone who has lived several blocks west of it for 28 years, I think we're more upset about the loss of an icon that was a great place for ribs and other quality, affordable food for many decades. And I wouldn't say apathetic. So far, the article has racked up 35,543 views. I'd agree. For years it was a solid choice for good food and cheap drinks. It's only seemed to be post pandemic that the crowd changed and neighborhood complaints elevated with increased incidents.
December 10, 2024Dec 10 2 hours ago, Cleburger said: I'd agree. For years it was a solid choice for good food and cheap drinks. It's only seemed to be post pandemic that the crowd changed and neighborhood complaints elevated with increased incidents. we never had the chance to eat there but whenever we drove past it made us think of the Seinfeld restaurant - maybe it was signage lighting and font
January 7Jan 7 Depot on Detroit arriving, traffic calming next? By Ken Prendergast / January 7, 2025 In two weeks, the board of the Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority (GCRTA) is expected to approve the sale of land for a planned apartment building just west of the West Boulevard rapid transit station in Cleveland’s Edgewater-Cudell neighborhood. But that development is renewing interest in a neighborhood plan for redesigning streets next to the station to make the area a more comfortable place to walk and could avail more development sites. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2025/01/07/depot-on-detroit-arriving-traffic-calming-next/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 7Jan 7 33 minutes ago, KJP said: Depot on Detroit arriving, traffic calming next? By Ken Prendergast / January 7, 2025 In two weeks, the board of the Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority (GCRTA) is expected to approve the sale of land for a planned apartment building just west of the West Boulevard rapid transit station in Cleveland’s Edgewater-Cudell neighborhood. But that development is renewing interest in a neighborhood plan for redesigning streets next to the station to make the area a more comfortable place to walk and could avail more development sites. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2025/01/07/depot-on-detroit-arriving-traffic-calming-next/ Great to hear. I was worried this one had just got lost and was never going to happen. The road redesign would be amazing. That area is a nightmare to drive through. There is so much open space on the road that people use to ignore all traffic laws to blow by or weave through everyone else. Berea Rd is just another highway. I see a lot of people in Amazon vests walking to/from the train station to their site, and I'm always worried that one day I'm going to see a news story that one of them was hit by a car.
January 8Jan 8 17 hours ago, KJP said: Depot on Detroit arriving, traffic calming next? By Ken Prendergast / January 7, 2025 In two weeks, the board of the Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority (GCRTA) is expected to approve the sale of land for a planned apartment building just west of the West Boulevard rapid transit station in Cleveland’s Edgewater-Cudell neighborhood. But that development is renewing interest in a neighborhood plan for redesigning streets next to the station to make the area a more comfortable place to walk and could avail more development sites. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2025/01/07/depot-on-detroit-arriving-traffic-calming-next/ Its really encouraging to see Depot moving forward, and the traffic calming would be a godsend. I love the idea of "squaring off" Detroit and opening up that parcel for a new development. With Depot and two more mixed use properties in what is effectively the same intersection would be huge. The concept in the article would activate a huge portion of my neighborhood!
January 13Jan 13 It would be cool if, while redesigning the roads/intersections, they planned the Detroit Rd design to eventually have a streetcar! Having a streetcar run from this station to Tower City/Public Square(connecting Gordon Square/HingeTown/IrishtownBend), via Detroit Rd and the Detroit-Superior Bridge Lower Level, would be amazing! Great news that this development is moving forward!
January 13Jan 13 2 hours ago, NR said: It would be cool if, while redesigning the roads/intersections, they planned the Detroit Rd design to eventually have a streetcar! Having a streetcar run from this station to Tower City/Public Square(connecting Gordon Square/HingeTown/IrishtownBend), via Detroit Rd and the Detroit-Superior Bridge Lower Level, would be amazing! Great news that this development is moving forward! Not to take this too off topic, but I recently threw something like this up in the transit future thread. My current map just has the streetcar going to West Blvd, not the Gold Coast like this one. But I think it would be around 11.5-12 miles of rail in the ground for about 21 miles of streetcar routes between the 3 lines. There is so much space available in the Edgewater/Battery Park areas, and on Detroit with large sites like the old school, library and Burger King right next to each other, and then even more parking lots or underutilized buildings. This Detroit corridor would absolutely explode. Then there is even more space on these routes on Superior and W25.
January 20Jan 20 Taking steps toward a more walkable Cudell By Ken Prendergast / January 20, 2025 Unfortunately, there are many places in Cleveland where crossing a wide, busy street is like being the frog in the video game Frogger. But having that be the case at the front door to a rapid transit station reduces the usage of that station. And it reduces the potential for that station to spur the development of housing, jobs and services within a short walk. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2025/01/20/taking-steps-toward-a-more-walkable-cudell/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 21Jan 21 With these improvements on Detroit, the city absolutely needs to reduce West Blvd between Detroit and Madison down to one lane each direction with a center turn lane. For some strange reason when West was redone years ago, the rest of the route was reconfigured, but this stretch remains a curvy racecourse of 2 lanes each direction and cars jockeying for position through narrow, curved lanes.
January 21Jan 21 9 minutes ago, Cleburger said: With these improvements on Detroit, the city absolutely needs to reduce West Blvd between Detroit and Madison down to one lane each direction with a center turn lane. For some strange reason when West was redone years ago, the rest of the route was reconfigured, but this stretch remains a curvy racecourse of 2 lanes each direction and cars jockeying for position through narrow, curved lanes. I wish it was completely eliminated tbh. Continue West Blvd north down West 102nd into Berea Rd. It would involve buying some real estate and some demolition. But it could make a great town square environment at Madison, West Blvd and 101st. And greatly expand Cudell Commons.
January 21Jan 21 Affordable housing next to a rail stop plus a traffic calming street project? That's the way to do it!
January 23Jan 23 On 1/20/2025 at 7:39 PM, marty15 said: I wish it was completely eliminated tbh. Continue West Blvd north down West 102nd into Berea Rd. It would involve buying some real estate and some demolition. But it could make a great town square environment at Madison, West Blvd and 101st. And greatly expand Cudell Commons. Yeah I always thought the configuration was kind of ridiculous. There's no reason this couldn't be a prime, walkable neighborhood.
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