March 18, 20196 yr Was driving by West Blvd station today and noticed the taller building at 9800 Detroit is up for sale. Could be some TOD primer if the building is worthy of a conversion. https://www.google.com/maps/place/9800+Detroit+Ave,+Cleveland,+OH+44102/@41.479862,-81.7509695,3a,75y,351.13h,89.5t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKO_NBz8Gr_X9N3qoG94ouA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x8830f1c6adc3eabf:0x53057e5d6ec33e07!8m2!3d41.4802593!4d-81.7511167
March 18, 20196 yr Unfortunately, It's been on the market for a long time (year or more). It was bought for $475,000 in 2006. It was valued for taxes at that amount from 2006-11, but has since been devalued several times to $245,500. They're asking $575,000 for it. They're dreaming.... https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/9800-Detroit-Ave-Cleveland-OH/14203286/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 18, 20196 yr 5 minutes ago, KJP said: Unfortunately, It's been on the market for a long time (year or more). It was bought for $475,000 in 2006. It was valued for taxes at that amount from 2006-11, but has since been devalued several times to $245,500. They're asking $575,000 for it. They're dreaming.... https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/9800-Detroit-Ave-Cleveland-OH/14203286/ Ah got it--so the sign is new. Such a shame....
March 18, 20196 yr Interior is mostly warehouse space, I believe (https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/9800-Detroit-Ave-Cleveland-OH/14203286/) But whatever is going on in this space has me INTRIGUED!
March 18, 20196 yr It looks like a Neal warehouse. These were all over Cleveland. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 18, 20196 yr I wanna say there was an Italian restaurant in there for like 10 min. Maybe that was it?
April 30, 20196 yr On 8/15/2018 at 5:26 PM, KJP said: City Council action clears way for new life at old Midland Steel site on Cleveland's West Side Updated 4:29 PM; Posted 4:25 PM By Robert Higgs, cleveland.com bhiggsCleveland[/member].com CLEVELAND, Ohio - City Council gave approval Wednesday to an economic development deal designed to breathe new life into 22 acres on the city's West Side that have sat idle since Midland Steel closed in 2003. By way of two ordinances, council approved selling the city-owned property to Weston, Inc., an industrial property owner and developer based in Warrensville Heights, and granted tax abatement of city real estate taxes on the development. Weston intends to construct buildings for multiple industrial tenants on the site, starting with a $10-million, 162,500-square-foot building. The land fronts Madison Avenue, Berea Road and West 110th Street. MORE: https://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/index.ssf/2018/08/city_council_action_clears_way.html This project is underway! Heavy equipment on site moving earth!
May 23, 20196 yr 45 minutes ago, ethlaw said: What is the site plan for that Weston property? Weston intends to construct buildings for multiple industrial tenants on the site, starting with a $10-million, 162,500-square-foot building
May 23, 20196 yr 57 minutes ago, ethlaw said: What is the site plan for that Weston property? @ethlaw Here's Weston's promo flyer about the site, which includes a site plan: http://www.teamweston.com/pdf/1556807295-Madison Berea Highlight Sheet Email Version 2019.pdf Renderings of their first building: "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 23, 20196 yr 21 minutes ago, KJP said: @ethlaw Here's Weston's promo flyer about the site, which includes a site plan: http://www.teamweston.com/pdf/1556807295-Madison Berea Highlight Sheet Email Version 2019.pdf Renderings of their first building: Looks good. I’m not in this industry, but I’ve talked to several people who are and I’ve been surprised with how many of them complain about the lack of adequate industrial space in the city. I was very surprised about that, I was thinking we had too many but most of the industrial spaces I know about are old, vacant and offline. We don’t have enough apparently tailored to the industrial/light manufacturing needs of today.
May 23, 20196 yr 9 minutes ago, inlovewithCLE said: Looks good. I’m not in this industry, but I’ve talked to several people who are and I’ve been surprised with how many of them complain about the lack of adequate industrial space in the city. I was very surprised about that, I was thinking we had too many but most of the industrial spaces I know about are old, vacant and offline. We don’t have enough apparently tailored to the industrial/light manufacturing needs of today. Sadly the ones being erected on the site today won't last nearly as long as the old brick beauties in the neighborhood surrounding them--still standing and still functioning as industrial space.
May 23, 20196 yr 16 minutes ago, inlovewithCLE said: Looks good. I’m not in this industry, but I’ve talked to several people who are and I’ve been surprised with how many of them complain about the lack of adequate industrial space in the city. I was very surprised about that, I was thinking we had too many but most of the industrial spaces I know about are old, vacant and offline. We don’t have enough apparently tailored to the industrial/light manufacturing needs of today. The light-industrial market here is going crazy. A couple of market reports.... http://www.ngkf.com/Uploads/FileManager/1Q19-Cleveland-Industrial-Market.pdf https://www2.colliers.com/-/media/Files/UnitedStates/Markets/Cleveland/Research/2019Q1IndustrialClevelandReportColliers.ashx "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 23, 20196 yr Thanks KJP! I knew it was going to be industrial space but was having a hard time finding a site plan. I do wish the Phase I building would be built closer to Madison with parking in the back, but I guess beggars can't be choosers for this type of development. I'm just really happy to see new industrial construction in Cleveland since so many industrial companies have been moving out to the suburbs lately.
May 23, 20196 yr 23 minutes ago, KJP said: The light-industrial market here is going crazy. A couple of market reports.... http://www.ngkf.com/Uploads/FileManager/1Q19-Cleveland-Industrial-Market.pdf https://www2.colliers.com/-/media/Files/UnitedStates/Markets/Cleveland/Research/2019Q1IndustrialClevelandReportColliers.ashx So it seems like we need more supply to meet the demand?
May 23, 20196 yr I love these old brick industrial buildings. They would make great housing, co-working spaces, artist studios, etc. But many are in prime industrial areas near highways and rail, and they don't offer indoor clearances and/or polluted from decades of use prior to environmental/safety regulations. Demolishing them, cleaning the land and legally protecting future owners/users from liability are costs that don't exist in suburban and exurban areas. IIRC, the city of Cleveland spent more than $4 million clearing and cleaning the Midland Steel site. Few private sector interests would be willing to spend that at the many other brownfield sites around the city. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 24, 20195 yr Progress on the Weston-DiGeronimo 168K SF warehouse-light industrial at the old Midland Steel site on Madison at West 110th in Cleveland. I couldn't fit the whole building in one view..... Edited June 24, 20195 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 24, 20195 yr My business is located on 110th Street and I have heard that the first building is already fully leased out. They are already starting to work on the next building.
July 2, 20195 yr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 3, 20195 yr Another new development coming to a neighborhood near me. This is a large, expensive duplex at the SW corner of Clifton and West Blvd, near Edgewater Park. https://www.stoufferrealty.com/s/oh/cleveland-city/clifton-parkside-homes-subdivision "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 3, 20195 yr 9 minutes ago, KJP said: Another new development coming to a neighborhood near me. This is a large, expensive duplex at the SW corner of Clifton and West Blvd, near Edgewater Park. https://www.stoufferrealty.com/s/oh/cleveland-city/clifton-parkside-homes-subdivision Wasn't this thing in front of planning commission over a year ago? I drive by it everyday and was really surprised to see a sign finally up.
July 3, 20195 yr Something's been proposed here on and off for about the last 5 years. But this is the first time that I've seen a development sign on that corner. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 3, 20195 yr That would fit right in if it were built in a "neo-traditional" housing development on the outskirts of Charlotte or somewhere in Raleigh-Durham.
July 3, 20195 yr 6 hours ago, X said: That would fit right in if it were built in a "neo-traditional" housing development on the outskirts of Charlotte or somewhere in Raleigh-Durham. This design has been derided by everyone in the neighborhood I've spoken to. I doubt talking to the developer will have any impact, but residents are trying.
August 20, 20195 yr And, I love Matt (run for mayor, dammit) Zone.... Edited August 20, 20195 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 9, 20195 yr Not sure if this qualifies as a "development" but it certainly is an improvement... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 12, 20195 yr That stretch of Detroit across from the rapid station is definitely not what I would call pedestrian friendly ?
October 1, 20195 yr Finally some west side TOD ? Google Streetview: https://www.google.com/maps/place/10031+Detroit+Ave,+Cleveland,+OH+44102/@41.4797893,-81.7538502,3a,75y,189.35h,88.56t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sXbJ9BS_jkDi21BN9KIgTIQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DXbJ9BS_jkDi21BN9KIgTIQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearch.gws-prod.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D86%26h%3D86%26yaw%3D200.3929%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x8830f1c3d47c3d4d:0xe99db29516cfe036!8m2!3d41.4796057!4d-81.7539453 The Palazzo realizes chef-owner’s dream on Cleveland’s West Side Today 6:00 AM By Marc Bona, cleveland.com CLEVELAND, Ohio - Years ago, not long after Rafael Zaloshnja had emigrated to the United States, he would pass by an intriguing, vacant building on his way to work. "I was always in love with this building. When I came to America I worked at Heck's and I'm taking the bus, and all the time I would say 'What's going on with this building, why is it closed?' " The building, at 10031 Detroit Avenue just west of West Boulevard, had been closed since 1997 until Zaloshnja opened it June 1, said Giuseppe O'Connell, a veteran restaurant worker, server and de facto manager. In an earlier incarnation, The Palazzo was Palmina's Restaurant, which stood for decades. That restaurant opened in 1947 across the street from the current location before it moved in 1954. The city had appropriated its location for the West Side Rapid Transit. https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2019/10/the-palazzo-realizes-chef-owners-dream-on-clevelands-west-side.html Edited October 1, 20195 yr by MuRrAy HiLL
October 1, 20195 yr How is that TOD? He reduced the density of the neighborhood by tearing down a neighboring apartment building so they could add parking. That is not TOD. Now if he had partnered with a developer to put the restaurant on the ground floor of a 10-story residential building with parking reduced below the code's minimum and maybe a narrowed Detroit Avenue between it and the rapid station, now we're talking TOD. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 1, 20195 yr ^Sorry guys, that was tongue-in-cheek...I should have done a winky face or some other different emoji. And the west side "finally" getting something was a joke too. Relatedly, you can see the demolished building by going back in time from the Google Streetview link. Edited October 1, 20195 yr by MuRrAy HiLL
October 1, 20195 yr Fun fact! The cost to demolish that building was just over $90k, which was paid for by public money! The back taxes were also wiped clean! And now Westown Development Corp owns the lot, which they can conveniently traansfer to the restaurant for even more parking! The Dona Brady Center for Parking and Transparent Government Accountability is becoming the most expensive, publicly-funded, private parking lot this neighborhood has ever seen! Really exciting! Keep in mind that someone was actively trying to buy and restore that apartment building but Ward 11 and Westown would not work with him. Edited October 1, 20195 yr by jws
October 1, 20195 yr 6 hours ago, jws said: Fun fact! The cost to demolish that building was just over $90k, which was paid for by public money! The back taxes were also wiped clean! And now Westown Development Corp owns the lot, which they can conveniently traansfer to the restaurant for even more parking! The Dona Brady Center for Parking and Transparent Government Accountability is becoming the most expensive, publicly-funded, private parking lot this neighborhood has ever seen! Really exciting! Keep in mind that someone was actively trying to buy and restore that apartment building but Ward 11 and Westown would not work with him. Every time I drive by there, they are parking cars on the grass lot where the building once stood. That, as far as I know, is against city ordinance.
October 18, 20195 yr Kudos to Weston and Degeronimo for this development. They went the extra mile with landscaping and planting trees. And there’s no fence!
December 4, 20195 yr WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 4, 2019 Chiclets gum factory apartments, townhouses get new owner An enigmatic, California-based real estate investor has purchased the Chicle Apartments and Chicle Townhomes (Chicle is pronounced "chick-lee") from a local firm that renovated the former Chiclets gum factory and built the townhomes on Cleveland's west side nearly 15 years ago. Little is known about managing member Krishna Venkatarama of Cupertino, Calif. or his intentions involving multiple properties at 10307-10335 Detroit Ave., in the Cudell neighborhood. On Nov. 25, Venkatarama and his partners acquired the properties near the West Boulevard Red Line rail station through three companies created in September. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/12/chiclets-gum-factory-apartments.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 5, 20195 yr One detail worth noting: this parcel technically falls within that little strip of Ward 11 and therefore Westown's territory.
December 5, 20195 yr Just now, jws said: One detail worth noting: this parcel technically falls within that little strip of Ward 11 and therefore Westown's territory. And Councilman Zone's ward wraps around it on three sides. Amazing that a democrat came up with that gerrymander. Anyway, I'd love to hear that these guys will finish what Kemper started. Hopefully. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 5, 20195 yr 53 minutes ago, KJP said: And Councilman Zone's ward wraps around it on three sides. Amazing that a democrat came up with that gerrymander. Anyway, I'd love to hear that these guys will finish what Kemper started. Hopefully. A "Democrat" Hopefully Ward boundaries will shift next year and this stretch of Detroit can finally receive the political will necessary to execute a cohesive planning vision. The NOACA study and neighborhood planning can only do so much if the area is split between an in-touch councilperson and one that isn't concerned with implementing anything. The Weston connection is interesting. I wonder if the Berea Rd development (also within the Ward 11 strip) was enough to keep them interested in the area. The RTA lot and the adjacent RTA-owned lot are also such huge development options. Edited December 5, 20195 yr by jws
December 5, 20195 yr 4 minutes ago, jws said: A "Democrat" Hopefully Ward boundaries will shift next year and this stretch of Detroit can finally receive the political will necessary to execute a cohesive planning vision. The NOACA study and neighborhood planning can only do so much if the area is split between an in-touch councilperson and one that isn't concerned with implementing anything. The Weston connection is interesting. I wonder if the Berea Rd development (also within the Ward 11 strip) was enough to keep them interested in the area. The RTA lot and the adjacent RTA-owned lot are also such huge development options. They need to get Dona Brady completely out of this area and get it in Matt Zone's Ward.
December 5, 20195 yr 1 minute ago, freefourur said: They need to get Dona Brady completely out of this area and get it in Matt Zone's Ward. Fingers crossed that Ward 11 is eliminated entirely and divided up. Lorain Station is the true commercial business district for Cudell, even with the highway separating it, and they really don't appreciate that area for the gem it is.
February 6, 20205 yr Building permit was filed today to renovate 8611 Madison Ave, a condemned 8 unit apartment building.
February 6, 20205 yr ^ Very glad they're saving this building. That stretch of Madison is just such an ugly duckling, it's hard to envision things turning around there.
February 6, 20205 yr The permit must’ve been filed after the work was done. Whoever did the exterior should never be allowed to pick up any tool of any kind after this. Biggest hack job I’ve ever seen. It’s shameful. Edited February 6, 20205 yr by marty15
February 6, 20205 yr 13 minutes ago, marty15 said: The permit must’ve been filed after the work was done. Whoever did the exterior should never be allowed to pick up any tool of any kind after this. Biggest hack job I’ve ever seen. It’s shameful. Got good bones though. Could be beautiful.
February 7, 20205 yr 51 minutes ago, Growth Mindset said: Got good bones though. Could be beautiful. Absolutely agree. Pisses me off seeing such a hatchet job done on it.
February 7, 20205 yr 3 hours ago, marty15 said: The permit must’ve been filed after the work was done. Whoever did the exterior should never be allowed to pick up any tool of any kind after this. Biggest hack job I’ve ever seen. It’s shameful. Checking Google maps, that seems like the only block that's still intact. Some really awful land use surrounding it. But Cleveland Lumber is truly a gem, along with the house next to it. I actually had a co-worker who lived right by there. An attorney. She was from Romania and had no concept of "good vs. bad" neighborhood. She just saw a good deal on rent.
February 7, 20205 yr 56 minutes ago, surfohio said: Checking Google maps, that seems like the only block that's still intact. Some really awful land use surrounding it. But Cleveland Lumber is truly a gem, along with the house next to it. I actually had a co-worker who lived right by there. An attorney. She was from Romania and had no concept of "good vs. bad" neighborhood. She just saw a good deal on rent. Lots of bad land use on Madison, but the housing stock in the 80s/90s off Madison is actually really good. I’m a relatively pessimistic fellow but I could easily see this area turning around in the next 20 years. A few new apartment complexes facing Madison would really change the feel of the street. It’s relatively narrow as far as main streets go in Cleveland. There have always been (very very well hidden) artistic venues in and around this area. I think it’s already seen as a viable, cheaper alternative to Detroit Shoreway for some younger folks.
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