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"The Downtown Cleveland Residents Association invites you to join neighbors and Downtown stakeholders for a public meeting regarding the proposed design of the Wild Eagle Saloon project located at 921 Huron Road (Huron and Prospect). We will discuss the current design of the Wild Eagle Saloon and collect your input and feedback.

 

In addition, the DCRA will explain how we introduce Downtown resident opinion into the Cleveland City Planning Commission's design review process and how that affects development projects in our downtown neighborhood."

 

WHEN: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM

 

WHERE

The Clevelander Bar & Grill - 834 Huron Road

Medical Mutual HQ loan in trouble. Insurer, meanwhile, eyes real estate options:

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2016/01/medical_mutual_hq_mortgage_in.html#comments

^ At least two commenters are saying that there is chatter about Medical Mutual consolidating and building new at the Flats East Bank. No idea how reliable that is though.

It would be kinda nice to have all that bottom floor be retail!  Right now its just basically walled off.

Or Medical Mutual becomes part of a mixed use tower on the Public Square Jacob's lot.......

Or Medical Mutual becomes part of a mixed use tower on the Public Square Jacob's lot.......

 

Here's my assessment of what that could involve, space-wise....

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,14285.msg786349.html#msg786349

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2016/02/wild_eagle_saloon_minus_contro.html#incart_river_home

 

Glad to see the Indian chief head was removed from the Wild Eagle Saloon sign. It also would have been ridiculed by RNC national/international media. Also good news that they scrapped the two story patio on the face of the building. Indoor bocce courts seem promising.

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2016/02/wild_eagle_saloon_minus_contro.html#incart_river_home

 

Glad to see the Indian chief head was removed from the Wild Eagle Saloon sign. It also would have been ridiculed by RNC national/international media. Also good news that they scrapped the two story patio on the face of the building. Indoor bocce courts seem promising.

 

Also glad to  see they stopped short of the mechanical bull!

I hope I'm wrong, but I'm struggling to see how this place will do well.

 

Firstly, "We realized that there was not only a void in the downtown market for a drinking hole to cool down after long days of work but also there was not a fun lunch spot with good, affordable food for us to have a break in the day."  Really?!?  :wtf:

 

Secondly is the fit for PHS. I'm not sure the theater crowd, or the affluent yoga pants crowd next door at Restore who are paying $10 for a smoothie and bit of peace and quiet on the iMac*, are looking forward to what seems like a little piece of Spring Break Put In Bay right next door.

 

But, I'm not a millionaire property developer, so what do I know!

 

* I love Restore, just a some good-natured hyperbole to make my point!

^As a downtown resident, I don't see myself frequenting the place either. I was surprised to see them talk about a lack of affordable, cheap dive bars in the area - don't the Clevelander, Panini's, and Thirsty Parrot already cater to that?

^^Am I bad person if I hope you're right? This place sounds unbearable to me. No skin off my back as long as its awfulness is contained within, but selfishly I hope for something a little less Corporate-Casual-Cheeseball.

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2016/02/wild_eagle_saloon_minus_contro.html#incart_river_home

 

Glad to see the Indian chief head was removed from the Wild Eagle Saloon sign. It also would have been ridiculed by RNC national/international media.

Really?  Damn, have skins gotten thin.  There's nothing remotely offensive about that sign, indeed it's pretty much historically accurate.

 

Sometimes I wish I was an Irishman, I could build a cottage industry out of claiming leprechaun logos are "offensive".

 

 

Regardless of whether people think it's offensive or not, I think the Indian chief head looked really tacky so I'm glad it's gone.

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2016/02/wild_eagle_saloon_minus_contro.html#incart_river_home

 

Glad to see the Indian chief head was removed from the Wild Eagle Saloon sign. It also would have been ridiculed by RNC national/international media. Also good news that they scrapped the two story patio on the face of the building. Indoor bocce courts seem promising.

 

I seriously doubt the media would have even noticed. There will be enough to ridicule inside the RNC convention already.

The concept / menu is a bit of a headscratcher...but good luck to them

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2016/02/wild_eagle_saloon_minus_contro.html#incart_river_home

 

Glad to see the Indian chief head was removed from the Wild Eagle Saloon sign. It also would have been ridiculed by RNC national/international media.

Really?  Damn, have skins gotten thin.  There's nothing remotely offensive about that sign, indeed it's pretty much historically accurate.

 

Sometimes I wish I was an Irishman, I could build a cottage industry out of claiming leprechaun logos are "offensive".

 

 

 

I can definitely see how the caricature of a Native American head in full headdress in a bright red color over the title "Wild Eagle" would be offensive.  Many white people don't seem to understand that it's the history of bigotry and ethnic destruction of an ethnic or racial minority that makes the stereotyping by the dominant society all the more repugnant.  Btw Native Americans are rarely actually red in color but usually vary from shades of brown to tan or yellow (some are even white); not sure where the "red" stereotype came from. 

S

 

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2016/02/wild_eagle_saloon_minus_contro.html#incart_river_home

 

Glad to see the Indian chief head was removed from the Wild Eagle Saloon sign. It also would have been ridiculed by RNC national/international media.

Really?  Damn, have skins gotten thin.  There's nothing remotely offensive about that sign, indeed it's pretty much historically accurate.

 

Sometimes I wish I was an Irishman, I could build a cottage industry out of claiming leprechaun logos are "offensive".

 

 

 

 

except that leprechauns are a part of folklore and Indians are real people.

Stop.  Stop.  Just stop.

It might have been an acceptable appropriation if it somehow depicted a tribe from the Great Lakes. Instead most logos use the idea of a plains Indian wearing a warbonnet as a stylistic pointer to authenticity, likely stolen in this case from the Indian Motorcycle Company and baby boomer nostalgia of cowboy and indians movies of the 1950s. It's trite and predictable. And I am glad it's gone. Now where are all the suburban nimrods going to park when they drive in to check this shitshow out?

The concept / menu is a bit of a headscratcher...but good luck to them

 

Where do you see their menu?

^Details of the food offerings were in the article

This Wild Eagle Saloon sounds like it should actually be in the Flats East Bank.

^Details of the food offerings were in the article

 

Fried chicken and food on a stick? Just a few items, not a menu.

I'm more surprised someone would want to brand themselves with this: "...and self-serve beer dispensers billed as "inebriation stations.""

This Wild Eagle Saloon sounds like it should actually be in the Flats East Bank.

 

Or Macedonia, Independence, Lakewood, Mayfield.  But as Geis said, there isn't this type of establishment downtown so maybe it will do well.  Oh wait isn't Punchbowl the same concept but on steroids?

The place doesn't sound like my favorite concept, but I guess it only has to offer a little more to the surrounding work crowd + pre/post-game sports crowd than the existing mediocre stretch of bars in Gateway to be a success. That's a fairly modest goal though, so I'm sure they're hoping for more than that.

I'm more surprised someone would want to brand themselves with this: "...and self-serve beer dispensers billed as "inebriation stations.""

 

I don't say this word a lot, but that is very douchey.

I will say there is an underwhelming quantity of bars with darts and shuffleboard and the like. And bocce is a great add to the downtown scene. That being said, this doesn't seem like the most millennial-friendly concept. Should've gone with chic-y sports bar over quasi-racist western. C'est la vie, something's better than nothing?

I will rarely if ever enter this bar, but I love that its going here. The intersection of prospect and E 9th could become its own themed subdistrict with all the investment happening at the intersection. Much like playhouse square or the flats east bank or east 4th street, this intersection is getting its own character. And it is largely consisting of sports bars and restaurants. BW3 is going to open, paninis, clevelander, winking lizard, City tap, thirsty parrot. This is our arena district. Cheers formerly-racist-turned-just-confused-western-concept-bar-poorly-placed-in-a-neoclassical-building, welcome to the neighborhood.

I'm more surprised someone would want to brand themselves with this: "...and self-serve beer dispensers billed as "inebriation stations.""

 

I don't say this word a lot, but that is very douchey.

I wonder if the "Money Man" had a hand in these amenities. He is a club owner now after all.

Work being done on 811 prospect where a new Moxie is proposed to open.

 

 

 

I see that exterior work has started on Moxie and closed the sidewalk on Prospect. Glad to see the progess. Walked by that sad, unfinished building many times via the alley when my office was in the City Club Building.

So, Wild Eagle may have removed the Chief head from their signage plans, but are still proudly displaying the (maybe not racist to the white man but still unnecessary cultural appropriation) logo on the gigantic electronic billboard signs for the 9. Any idea who to complain to about this?

Is Moxie still going to open there?  Or is this construction something else???

Is Moxie still going to open there?  Or is this construction something else???

 

The last word from Moxie folks, I thought, was that a new lower priced concept of theirs (not a "Moxie") was going in that spot. Hopefully this is that.

So, Wild Eagle may have removed the Chief head from their signage plans, but are still proudly displaying the (maybe not racist to the white man but still unnecessary cultural appropriation) logo on the gigantic electronic billboard signs for the 9. Any idea who to complain to about this?

 

No one who is going to care.  The very term "cultural appropriation" has lately become a term of mockery among those to the right of Hillary Clinton.

Is Moxie still going to open there?  Or is this construction something else???

 

Something else.  Moxie is on Prospect west of E. 9th.  Wild Eagle is east of E. 9th on Huron.

So, Wild Eagle may have removed the Chief head from their signage plans, but are still proudly displaying the (maybe not racist to the white man but still unnecessary cultural appropriation) logo on the gigantic electronic billboard signs for the 9. Any idea who to complain to about this?

 

No one who is going to care.  The very term "cultural appropriation" has lately become a term of mockery among those to the right of Hillary Clinton.

 

Couldn't have said it any better.

So, Wild Eagle may have removed the Chief head from their signage plans, but are still proudly displaying the (maybe not racist to the white man but still unnecessary cultural appropriation) logo on the gigantic electronic billboard signs for the 9. Any idea who to complain to about this?

 

I'd comment here: https://www.facebook.com/wildeaglecleveland/?hc_location=ufi

 

p.s. their motto is "eat, drink, inebriate." stay classy Cleveland 

So, Wild Eagle may have removed the Chief head from their signage plans, but are still proudly displaying the (maybe not racist to the white man but still unnecessary cultural appropriation) logo on the gigantic electronic billboard signs for the 9. Any idea who to complain to about this?

 

I'd comment here: https://www.facebook.com/wildeaglecleveland/?hc_location=ufi

 

p.s. their motto is "eat, drink, inebriate." stay classy Cleveland 

Wow, the "substance", or lack there of, is aimed at chili cheese fries and getting blacked out. I hope they hire reliable security.

So, Wild Eagle may have removed the Chief head from their signage plans, but are still proudly displaying the (maybe not racist to the white man but still unnecessary cultural appropriation) logo on the gigantic electronic billboard signs for the 9. Any idea who to complain to about this?

 

I'd comment here: https://www.facebook.com/wildeaglecleveland/?hc_location=ufi

 

p.s. their motto is "eat, drink, inebriate." stay classy Cleveland 

Wow, the "substance", or lack there of, is aimed at chili cheese fries and getting blacked out. I hope they hire reliable security.

 

It's disconcerting. Like they're going out of their way to create a "punch palace."

^they should change the name to "Bro-mecca" that way they can also offend people of Islamic faith

Walked past at lunchtime and there was an 'INEBRIATION STATION' neon sign sat on the sidewalk, waiting for installation.... Quality...

 

http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2015/11/06/details-emerge-on-red-based-restaurant-to-open-on-prospect-avenue

Cool, I will definitely go to 811 Prospect!

 

And I will definitely avoid the 'INEBRIATION STATION' fraternity house.

RE: Moxie on Prospect, there used to be signs saying Moxie coming soon, those have all come down, leaving the door open for the owners to introduce whatever other concept they want

The 'Q' is getting some type of rooftop signage/digital board. I always liked the rooftop branding on the top of arenas, think 'Staples Center'. No renderings yet.

 

QUICKEN LOANS ARENA ROOF SIGNAGE

Address: 1 Center Court

Company: Robert P. Madison International, Inc.

Architect: SHop Architects, PC

Description: A new digitial (changeable copy) signage on the roof of the Quicken Loans Arena.

Interesting to see SHoP as the architect for just a rooftop signage project...

Mabel's opening announced. http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/michael-symon-reveals-opening-date-for-new-restaurant-mabels-bbq

Yes I  thought that also. It makes me wonder if they are involved in the rumored 'behind the scenes' rehab of The Q. Which would be exciting.