Not anymore -- at least not from coal. CSX was asked to stop shipments of coal to Cleveland Thermal. So the CSX tracks north of I-490 into downtown are no longer used....

 

Nice for a CVSR entry into Tower City, perhaps?

 

if nothing else but safety, thank goodness pour les fenetres nouveaux

 

 

Hmmm    New Windows.    I thought this building is coming down as part of the Nucleus Project.

The windows look temporary, even plastic.

 

BTW, I thought these buildings were to be rehabbed as part of nuCLEus?

Those plastic windows have been there for years. They will be rehabbed, not demoed.

Those plastic windows have been there for years. They will be rehabbed, not demoed.

 

So, these buildings aren't coming down?

It always amazes me how old building signage, in this case the Goldfish sign is allowed to remain years and sometimes decades after something closes.  Remember the old Shoe Outlet sign on the JHB building that was there for years, or the Bridal Shop sign that was on the Stanley building decades after it closed.  Drives me nuts.  I don't know how a council person can pass those by over the years with out raising hell with someone. Such a bad look. It just screams dilapidated and despair.

Those plastic windows have been there for years. They will be rehabbed, not demoed.

 

So, these buildings aren't coming down?

 

I had not heard the Goldfish building would be demo'd.  IIRC there were stability issues with the wall of the furthest east of the trio (the Record Rendezvous building?), so much so that the adjacent surface parking lot to its east was closed due to the safety hazard of falling bricks.

It always amazes me how old building signage, in this case the Goldfish sign is allowed to remain years and sometimes decades after something closes.  Remember the old Shoe Outlet sign on the JHB building that was there for years, or the Bridal Shop sign that was on the Stanley building decades after it closed.  Drives me nuts.  I don't know how a council person can pass those by over the years with out raising hell with someone. Such a bad look. It just screams dilapidated and despair.

 

Totally disagree with you. Good example of leaving it until a new use is found is the old Euclid Tavern sign. It was left intact for years and then rehabbed when it was reopened.

I thought Weston bought them from that company that was going to put in that garish billboard structure on top of the current parking lot, and announced they would be rehabbed as part of a larger development.

Stark has the parking lot on the SW corner of East 4th and Prospect along with the Herold Building, 310 Prospect, next to the parking lot. Weston owns the building at 300 Prospect next to the Herold. The next two properties, 210 Prospect and 202 Prospect (bringing us to East 2nd), are owned by Prospect Avenue Properties LLC, which in turn is owned by Nageeb Simmon of Shaker Heights.

 

It always amazes me how old building signage, in this case the Goldfish sign is allowed to remain years and sometimes decades after something closes.  Remember the old Shoe Outlet sign on the JHB building that was there for years, or the Bridal Shop sign that was on the Stanley building decades after it closed.  Drives me nuts.  I don't know how a council person can pass those by over the years with out raising hell with someone. Such a bad look. It just screams dilapidated and despair.

 

Totally disagree with you. Good example of leaving it until a new use is found is the old Euclid Tavern sign. It was left intact for years and then rehabbed when it was reopened.

 

Well of course you do... Besides Euclid Tavern is a bad example as it sits in a neighborhood area, not in the middle of a CBD in a major city.  It's not a good look to have a closed storefront that hasn't been maintained in years with a rotted sign wasting away. I am sure the neighboring businesses would agree.

 

 

It always amazes me how old building signage, in this case the Goldfish sign is allowed to remain years and sometimes decades after something closes.  Remember the old Shoe Outlet sign on the JHB building that was there for years, or the Bridal Shop sign that was on the Stanley building decades after it closed.  Drives me nuts.  I don't know how a council person can pass those by over the years with out raising hell with someone. Such a bad look. It just screams dilapidated and despair.

 

Totally disagree with you. Good example of leaving it until a new use is found is the old Euclid Tavern sign. It was left intact for years and then rehabbed when it was reopened.

 

Well of course you do... Besides Euclid Tavern is a bad example as it sits in a neighborhood area, not in the middle of a CBD in a major city.  It's not a good look to have a closed storefront that hasn't been maintained in years with a rotted sign wasting away. I am sure the neighboring businesses would agree.

 

 

 

Are you speaking for all the neighborhood businesses?  Actually, the Euclid Tavern is a perfect example. These signs are a bit of history, and if they can be saved, they should be.

Cleveland Planning Commission

Agenda for December 16, 2016

 

DF2016-127 – Harry Buffalo Video Board and Static Display Board: Seeking Final Approval

Project Address: 2120 East 4th Street

Project Representative: TBD

 

 

Another rendering over here with no skill in getting the perspective right.

I wonder if they built this with the anticipation that nothing would ever be built in that parking lot and they could use it for watch parties ... OR ... if they believe that will be an outdoor dining area for nuCLEus

That's ugly.

terrible

Yikes!!

I didn't think I could hate Harry Buffalo any more than I already did.

You guys remember this proposal from a couple years ago? Same architects too.

 

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,27551.msg697409.html#msg697409

 

Wahlburger news. http://www.cleveland19.com/story/34575428/wahlburgers-cleveland-let-us-inside-during-construction-photos

More Wahlburger News. http://fox8.com/2017/02/24/owner-giving-behind-the-scenes-tour-of-new-wahlburgers-restaurant-in-cleveland/

Does anyone have information about what is going on between where the new Wahlburger will sit and the Casino parking lot- in the empty space where they tore down the beautiful old building?  I work @ SW and they are putting slabs of concrete down. 

 

Looks to be a patio maybe for Wahlburger (with cut out for doors) and perhaps some lighting features and even a large cut out of what could be landscaping or grassy area.

Wahlburger job fair. http://fox8.com/2017/04/20/want-to-work-for-wahlburgers-cleveland-location-looking-to-fill-jobs/

^what kind of cuisine?

^what kind of cuisine?

 

Germanesque, with particular focus on the city of Hamburg.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mark Walburg in town. http://www.wkyc.com/news/local/cleveland/wahlburgers-to-announce-cleveland-opening-date-soon/438122579Walburg in town.

Here's a pricey property purchase by an aggressive developer with big visions for its projects....

 

On May 5, E. 9th Street Partners LLC acquired 2217 East 9th Street for $2.65 million. Called the Utica Building, it was later Alice Cooper's Cooperstown restaurant, now Brickstone restaurant.

 

E. 9th Street Partners has as its tax mailing address as 2191 Murray Hill Rd in Cleveland. That's the same address as Midwest Development Partners, the folks who got the stalled Intesa development moving as Centric. And they're pursuing the dramatic University Circle City Center (UC3) development of multiple high-rise buildings.

 

But 2217 East 9th was the only parcel they bought around here so far. I couldn't find any other parcels nearby that appeared to be associated with Midwest Development Partners. Across Bolivar Avenue are several undeveloped properties owned by Geis, so maybe Midwest is trying to get in on whatever Geis has in mind for the NE corner of 9th and Bolivar?

Those two buildings to the east along Bolivar were listed previously but I don't see them anymore.  Always thought that 1020 Bolivar and the garage next to it would make a great apt conversion as the garage was built to accommodate several more floors. 

 

Rampant speculation but it could be part of a larger play.

Those two buildings to the east along Bolivar were listed previously but I don't see them anymore.  Always thought that 1020 Bolivar and the garage next to it would make a great apt conversion as the garage was built to accommodate several more floors. 

 

Rampant speculation but it could be part of a larger play.

 

Agreed on both.

 

Frangos still has 1020 Bolivar listed on his website (check out my latest posting in the Campus District thread), but they may not have updated it for a while. I don't see it on Loopnet anymore.

More.... There's definitely something going on in this area with Geis, Midwest and Frangos (see article below). Also consider Frangos just bought a huge swath of property a little farther east along and south of Prospect (see the Campus District thread https://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,14163.msg853242.html#msg853242) that may be involved somehow. A lot of other properties between Frangos' acquisitions near East 9th and East 14th/18th have changed hands in the last two years with Geis involved in many of them, mostly around Prospect.

 

Ohio Means Jobs is in need of a new home

Public employment agency is being forced out of longtime headquarters on Bolivar Avenue

April 23, 2017 UPDATED 4/24/2017

 

By JAY MILLER

The downtown Cleveland office of Ohio Means Jobs, the public employment agency run collaboratively by the city of Cleveland and Cuyahoga County, is being forced to move its downtown office from its longtime home at 1020 Bolivar Ave. on short notice.

 

But no one is able or willing to say why or discuss any details of the move. And no one is willing to talk about the fate of the 98-year-old, four-story building a stone's throw from the Gateway complex.

 

The property has been embroiled in legal and tax problems for more than a decade. That is not unheard of in the dark and complicated world of urban real estate development, where property owners shield their investments and their financing behind opaquely named limited liability corporations. One LLC linked to this property goes by the name 1020 Bolivar First Floor Mortgage LLC.

 

MORE:

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20170423/NEWS/170429931/ohio-means-jobs-is-in-need-of-a-new-home

^ Any good guesses on what might be going down?

I did some searching in news articles with the search terms of Geis and Frangos in them. It seems there's no love lost between the two developers/investors/property owners. They tend to compete with each other for properties but they have done business with each other when when their interests intersected (namely the Ameritrust building). So it's apparent that Geis has a potentially big project in mind along East 9th near Bolivar. Apparently Frangos thinks that whatever is happening there will require a significant amount of parking.

 

I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that Geis may have the winning bid for the new Medical Mutual office building. And considering many of Medical Mutual's employees could be relocated from the suburbs, that's where the parking will come in to play for Frangos. If so, he's going to cash in on a big new demand for more parking just off the Interstates.

 

EDIT: upon further review, unless Geis plans on demolishing the old Ameritrust parking garage, his properties between Prospect and Bolivar aren't big enough for a Medical Mutual office building. And Frangos' property acquisitions from last month over by East 14th/18th aren't really close enough to fully benefit from a new development on East 9th. I think those are part of another play. But Frangos did buy several properties last December between Prospect and Bolivar. And you have the Ohio Means Jobs office suddenly getting kicked out of 1020 Bolivar + Midwest buying the old Utica Building for a healthy sum (it was valued at $1.9 million for taxes; Midwest bought it last week for $2.65 million). So something is popping here and soon.

I was going to say no way in hell is MMO going to be a new-build because of the time frame, but Geis has proven they can get a large building built quickly. Don't bet on there being massive in-migration from the burbs.

I work near the Medical Mutual Building and yesterday there was a crew of people taking photo's of the building. They were also using a drone, from what it looked like, to take video's/photo's of the building. Not sure if that has any relevance but I found it interesting.

^ I saw the drone as well.

^ I saw it yesterday too.  They started it in the parking lot where the Hippodrome was.

^ I saw it yesterday too.  They started it in the parking lot where the Hippodrome was.

 

That's interesting. Just out of curiosity, which side? Euclid side or Prospect side?

Prospect.  It started in the lot and they moved east

"the lit"?

lot....typo

OK. That's all VERY interesting. Wonder why they started from the Hippodrome lot when they could have started from anywhere, including the top of the parking garage in the Hippodrome lot, or from the plaza across the street from the Medical Mutual building or, for that matter, from the roof of the Medical Mutual building?? And I guess just as important, WHO were they?

 

OK architects on this board, any ideas?

I didn't get a chance to stop and chat.  I had a meeting with a client to get to.

But someone reading these posts knows the answers. PM me, please. :) I'll keep you off the record.

Which lot is the "Hippodrome lot"

Parking lot between Euclid and Prospect immediately west of E. 8th

It's the surface lot and parking garage bounded by Prospect, East 8th, and Euclid. If you want to look it up on a map, look for 798 Euclid Ave.

Which lot is the "Hippodrome lot"

 

It's the parking lot and garage along and west of the East 8th Alley....

 

Hippodrome lot by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr