August 7, 201212 yr ^ I got something very different, more of a 'we're fighting the gentrifying of our town'. They've become the newest 'it' place for the rich kids, and they're concerned about how not to become the Hamptons. BTW, if you've got a gold card in your wallet, are you really a hipster?
August 7, 201212 yr ^ I got something very different, more of a 'we're fighting the gentrifying of our town'. They've become the newest 'it' place for the rich kids, and they're concerned about how not to become the Hamptons. BTW, if you've got a gold card in your wallet, are you really a hipster? But Montauk has always seemed to have a snooty, non-welcoming aspect to it. I could definitely see them chasing the Rolling Stones out of town.
August 7, 201212 yr Meh. Old money complaining about how new money doesn't spend it the right way. It's all rich people problems.
August 7, 201212 yr Meh. Old money complaining about how new money doesn't spend it the right way. It's all rich people problems. WIsh I had more rich people problems. :-)
August 8, 201212 yr These fresh hipster photos appeared on my Facebook page today. These are Austin, TX hipsters, apparently acquainted with a friend of mine from college, who now operates what appears to be a Jewish Deli-themed food truck somewhere in Austin.
August 9, 201212 yr I don't know that it's entirely fair to peg this solely on hipsters. I think the clash between breeders and non as the generation evolves has been an ongoing phenomenon. I mean, everyone loves pics of MY kids, but I can understand fatigue of pics of other peoples kids..... But, the NYTimes says it's a hipster thing, so who am I to argue? http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/09/fashion/unbabyme-keeps-baby-pictures-off-facebook.html?_r=1&ref=technology Making Facebook Less Infantile BRANDY CASWELL, 28, turns to Facebook to keep up with her friends. But in the last year or so, she found that her newsfeed was being overrun with baby photos, documenting everything from nap times to diaper changes. I dont need a play-by-play of a typical day with your kid, said Ms. Caswell, an administrative assistant in Austin, Tex. She wont have that problem anymore, thanks to a new Web tool called Unbaby.me, which replaces the baby pictures on Facebook feeds with things that people prefer to see, like photos of cats, sunsets and bacon.
August 11, 201212 yr I don't know that it's entirely fair to peg this solely on hipsters. I think the clash between breeders and non as the generation evolves has been an ongoing phenomenon. I mean, everyone loves pics of MY kids, but I can understand fatigue of pics of other peoples kids..... But, the NYTimes says it's a hipster thing, so who am I to argue? http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/09/fashion/unbabyme-keeps-baby-pictures-off-facebook.html?_r=1&ref=technology Making Facebook Less Infantile BRANDY CASWELL, 28, turns to Facebook to keep up with her friends. But in the last year or so, she found that her newsfeed was being overrun with baby photos, documenting everything from nap times to diaper changes. “I don’t need a play-by-play of a typical day with your kid,” said Ms. Caswell, an administrative assistant in Austin, Tex. She won’t have that problem anymore, thanks to a new Web tool called Unbaby.me, which replaces the baby pictures on Facebook feeds with things that people prefer to see, like photos of cats, sunsets and bacon. The worst thing to me is not babies but text-filled "images" shared by retired boomers. What is wrong with sharing text as text, for one? And why do I need to be spammed incessantly with bumper sticker slogans which you find clever? At least baby images are more visually interesting than something a fax machine spits out. Make use of the medium's capabilities. In another decade, we'll be lucky if these boomers have discovered LOLcats.
August 11, 201212 yr Again, we're seeing confusion about what exactly a hipster is, and it's being driven in large part by internet memes created and spread by people under age 30. I think that the culture of the middle class changed so profoundly for kids born after about 1985 that they really, truly, cannot understand what people over 30 are talking about. There is not the lingering concern of the return of a military draft, fewer people are being raised in strict religious households, DARE and the War on Drugs have faded a bit, the hysteria surrounding AIDS has faded, and the internet provides teenagers with a community, no matter how obscure their interests are. They cannot remember a monoculture that cast everyone who didn't celebrate it to be cast out in a social wilderness. And they don't want to hear about any of this stuff. Meanwhile, all that oppression of people who knew they were good people by the sheep in the consumerist monoculture were driven to music, art, writing, etc. That's why that stuff was good up until about 2000 -- it was driven by that dichotomy. Now young people are not drawn to the arts for the same reason. It's not a way to meet like-minded people or a way out of the ghetto. It's an adjunct, not the center of their lives. Meanwhile, it was always a thrill when outcast heroes were put on national TV. Young people since 2000 have never had a moment like this: Jello Biafra - Oprah With Tipper Gore
August 11, 201212 yr I still get an LL Bean catalogue! Preppy was my style. An easy style because it was simple and you didnt have to think too much on how to put together an outfit....you could tweak it to be more professorial or rustic (which could read as sort of "grad student bohemian"), or more upscale & "at the club I still shop LL Bean. I don't care about trends, and LL Bean carries clothing that's traditional, not trendy. It's never on the cutting edge, and it's never out of style. I want to look presentable, (There, my age gives me numerous options), and their clothes to a great extent are quality-made and traditional in style. I have their oxford-cloth button-down shirts in various colors that I've had for several years and they still look good and haven't lost their buttons (unlike me). I can wear them with jeans and a sweater, or I can put on loafers, a pair of wool or polyester dress slacks, and a nice matching vintage tweed sport coat and go out and be noticed, and not in a disapproving way.
August 11, 201212 yr ^^ So which is it, people under 30 or people born after 85? As someone under 30, I was very familiar with Jello Biafra before 2000. Although not when that video was shot. My teen years were largely defined by basement punk shows in Corryville and CUF, not an internet scene. Maybe it is those of us falling in your time crack that have an enlightened perspective on hipsters, understanding both the before and after.
August 13, 201212 yr ^ I got something very different, more of a 'we're fighting the gentrifying of our town'. They've become the newest 'it' place for the rich kids, and they're concerned about how not to become the Hamptons. BTW, if you've got a gold card in your wallet, are you really a hipster? ^ only if the bill goes to your parents! and you are very right, montauk is fiercely protective of its ruralness. they dont want a bunch of indy coffee shops, american apparel pop ups, etc. overunning the landscape. an interesting factoid is that the andy warhol estate is a big chunk of montauk, so its not like a hipster invasion is really anything new under the sun and surf out there - lol!
August 15, 201212 yr “A countrywide anti-hipster movement?” Where do I sign up?! Montauk’s Hipster Fatigue http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/fashion/montauk-feels-the-effects-of-too-many-hipsters.html?pagewanted=all SO, these signs have been popping up around the East End: a picture of a hat with a red slash through it. Not just any hat, mind you, but a fedora. What did a hat ever do to anyone? Why the chapeau chauvinism? Well, it’s complicated. And it’s really about those who wear the hat, and what it has come to represent in certain quarters, especially in the once happily sleepy, now unhappily besieged, hamlet of Montauk. At its most superficial level, the fedora featured in the signs represents your basic hipster. And to some extent, it’s just part of what is shaping up as a countrywide anti-hipster movement. Something about artisanal tattoos; a bespoke, frontiersman beard; and, yes, a fedora perched atop the head just so is sending some people around the bend. Maybe it's a Chicago thing, but the fedora as a fashion item has penetrated all classes of people just the same as athletic shoes. You can be rich or poor, banker or artist, liberal or conservative and a hat is still a hat whether it's $15 or $150. Like a baseball cap, a fedora hat is functional fashion. Skinny jeans on the other hand are not and I can understand why people detest them.
August 15, 201212 yr Skinny jeans on the other hand are not and I can understand why people detest them. I have a pair to wear out at "the club" (esp since I am not 270 lbs any more)since they are sort of form-fitting and look good with this vaguely leather/spandex/fetish look I play around with... ....but i notice they actually DO make sense if you are riding a bike without a chain gaurd....less chance of the trouser legs getting caught in the chain...
August 15, 201212 yr skinny jeans wouldn't work as well on signs as a hat does. Very true. No pants! Skinny jeans on the other hand are not and I can understand why people detest them. I have a pair to wear out at "the club" (esp since I am not 270 lbs any more)since they are sort of form-fitting and look good with this vaguely leather/spandex/fetish look I play around with... ....but i notice they actually DO make sense if you are riding a bike without a chain gaurd....less chance of the trouser legs getting caught in the chain... Wearing any jeans on a bike is uncomfortable. Yes, I've had to deal with it. But if I make the option available, I'd chose athletic attire for biking. Here's where cycling may break into factions where you get the hipster fixed gear riders and the most athletic types competing for space. I appreciate all types of people trying to bicycle wherever they need to be, but it's sucks being stuck behind a slow rider on a busy street because they don't want to get their clothes dirty.
August 16, 201212 yr Why should someone on a leisurely ride give a crap that you are late for work? Etiquette.
August 16, 201212 yr Wearing any jeans on a bike is uncomfortable. Yes, I've had to deal with it. But if I make the option available, I'd chose athletic attire for biking. I usually ride in my street clothes, which depends on the weather (and usually is jeans or regular shorts like youd get at Old Navy). Here's where cycling may break into factions where you get the hipster fixed gear riders and the most athletic types competing for space. Bikes and cycling is a hipster accessory. Seems like this breaks down three ways: 1. The fixie, "messengeresque" style...urban grit beardos 2. The "vintage" bike (either real or made to look that way), seems to be popular with Hipsterettes 3. The urban/"Euro" utility bike (either real or copies, like the Electra). This also overlaps with the indy/alt/green crowd and the yuppies. @@@@@ I think the hat discussion is interesting. The short brimmed hat...I guess we are talking Fedora.... is really a throwback to the old "original" black hipster look, maybe (?). You can still see black guys (older ones) dressed this way on the bus here in Dayton.
August 16, 201212 yr Hipsters are not just a fedora and skinny jeans ya know, they're an ironic way of life with obscure references to things no one has ever heard about! “All truly great thoughts are conceived while walking.” -Friedrich Nietzsche
August 16, 201212 yr This is my bike exactly...a Centurion Dave Scott model circa 87. I get some hipster love whenever I'm in Ohio City. For everyday use I like my wife's not-hip-at-all Diamondback mountain bike because the street conditions in Cleveland are horrendous. It's slow and I get passed by everyone, but it handles the potholes and occasional defensive curb jump onto the sidewalk when needed.
August 16, 201212 yr You don't even want to know what '80s non-Kmart BMXs in decent shape sell for these days, especially the brightly colored ones from the last half of the decade. But they're not selling to hipsters.
August 16, 201212 yr I cruise around on an $80 bike I got at Wal-Mart like 10 years ago, I usually get frowned upon by hipsters but I think that's because it's that much more ironic.
August 16, 201212 yr http://gawker.com/5935336/coffee-shop-bans-talking-about-annoying-hipster-topics-irony-reflects-back-on-itself-on-and-on-to-infinity Coffee Shop Bans ‘Talking about Annoying Hipster Topics’; Irony Reflects Back On Itself On and On to Infinity ... APPROPRIATE topics: Paul Ryan (in a non-sneering tone) Tricycles Contact lenses Twill-cotton blends Money (having a normal amount of it) Beyoncé Who you made beautiful love to last night Sunflowers John Right-handedness Beards (disapproval of) The future
August 17, 201212 yr This is my bike exactly...a Centurion Dave Scott model circa 87. I get some hipster love whenever I'm in Ohio City. For everyday use I like my wife's not-hip-at-all Diamondback mountain bike because the street conditions in Cleveland are horrendous. It's slow and I get passed by everyone, but it handles the potholes and occasional defensive curb jump onto the sidewalk when needed. Yeah, I'm with you on the mountain bike. I ride a Raleigh mountain bike. I'd like something lighter, but I won't buy a road bike, I need to get a hybrid. Roads are terrible. I ride around some roads in Cleveland Heights and it's like a minefield. I'd be crashing left and right if I was on a road bike.
August 17, 201212 yr all those bike riding bk hipsters are fixie kids exclusively. all about it: http://m.urbandictionary.com/#define?term=fixie%20hipster
August 17, 201212 yr from the portlandia facebook page. i had no idea trust funds were so prominent among hipsters. maybe in brooklyn...or maybe a true hipster (as in 'hip') is kinda like a lazy, PC, yuppie? also, from USA TODAY: Brooklyn rebounds as the new bohemia http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-07-26/brooklyn-rebirth-hip-bohemia-nets/57038550/1
August 17, 201212 yr Well that's it. If USA Today picked up on it then Brooklyn is officially over. I hear Jersey City is really authentic these days...
August 17, 201212 yr Well that's it. If USA Today picked up on it then Brooklyn is officiall over. I hear Jersey City is really authentic these days... Oh man, the USA TODAY article has unleashed hipster hell...they are none too pleased about it. It's officially mainstream and therefore all downhill from here.
August 17, 201212 yr Perhaps they will embrace it as irony? It could be considered ironic to live in the nationally known hipster mecca...
August 17, 201212 yr This is my bike exactly...a Centurion Dave Scott model circa 87. I get some hipster love whenever I'm in Ohio City. For everyday use I like my wife's not-hip-at-all Diamondback mountain bike because the street conditions in Cleveland are horrendous. It's slow and I get passed by everyone, but it handles the potholes and occasional defensive curb jump onto the sidewalk when needed. Yeah, I'm with you on the mountain bike. I ride a Raleigh mountain bike. I'd like something lighter, but I won't buy a road bike, I need to get a hybrid. Roads are terrible. I ride around some roads in Cleveland Heights and it's like a minefield. I'd be crashing left and right if I was on a road bike. It's so much more practical. Just yesterday I saw a road biker near Gordon Square sitting on the sidewalk fixing his flat tire. Two big dogs were 2 feet away, barking at him behind a fence. Didn't look fun at all.
August 17, 201212 yr ^ In Dayton 'urban biking' is BMX/mountain bike ridden by some old grizzeld briar or some baggy shorts minority or younger thug-lite types... Oh man, the USA TODAY article has unleashed hipster hell...they are none to pleased about it. It's officially mainstream and therefore all downhill from here. Wow, really.....has this hit the blogs and stuff???
August 17, 201212 yr >i had no idea trust funds were so prominent among hipsters If your parents didn't pay for college and/or you didn't inherit money, you can't afford to move to New York anymore as an aspiring artist, musician, or whatever. I know at least a dozen people who fit this description. Yeah, you might last a year or two, but eventually the place will spit you out.
August 17, 201212 yr ^ In Dayton 'urban biking' is BMX/mountain bike ridden by some old grizzeld briar or some baggy shorts minority or younger thug-lite types... Portsmouth has a lot of 42-year-old Oxy addicts riding 20-inch girls bikes around town so slowly that they can barely maintain control.
August 17, 201212 yr According to the article there are bus tours showing people the Brooklyn hipstesr. They did this in the 1960s & 70s in SF...bus tours of the Haight so tourists could see the hippies and bus tours of the Castro so they could see the gays. Gray Line was the company. Hmmm... Do they have "Rent a Hipster" yet? Like they had "Rent-A-Beatniks"? Apparently (and showing how things come full cirlce), one of the rent-a-beatniks, Ted Joans, published a book entitled, yes, wait for it, The Hipsters "The funny, wild, hilarious and witty world of the hipsters from Greenwich Village to Paris, A mixture of Dali, Ernst and Kerouac stirred up in a surrealist stew by America's only true "insider" and "outsider"- Ted Joans, a young Negro painter and coffee shop poet...."(front cover) A legendary book in the Beat canon,with collages & text by the quintessential hipster Ted Joans (1927-2003) published at the height of the "Rent-a-Beatnik" era. Published in 1961. I was two years old.
August 17, 201212 yr I kept thinking as I read this, where are Wesleyan and Bard?? I want a recount. But alas, they're on the 2010 list (which I guess is now past its expiration date, like hipsterism itself), along with Oberlin! lol (I don't think I have the patience to look up 2011) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/09/top-10-hipster-schools_n_531852.html#s79344&title=Hampshire_College http://www.mainstreetpainesville.org/
August 18, 201212 yr All of the blind and stupid hatred towards Hipsters just adds to their mystique.
August 26, 201212 yr According to the article there are bus tours showing people the Brooklyn hipstesr. They did this in the 1960s & 70s in SF...bus tours of the Haight so tourists could see the hippies and bus tours of the Castro so they could see the gays. Gray Line was the company. Hmmm... Do they have "Rent a Hipster" yet? Like they had "Rent-A-Beatniks"? Apparently (and showing how things come full cirlce), one of the rent-a-beatniks, Ted Joans, published a book entitled, yes, wait for it, The Hipsters "The funny, wild, hilarious and witty world of the hipsters from Greenwich Village to Paris, A mixture of Dali, Ernst and Kerouac stirred up in a surrealist stew by America's only true "insider" and "outsider"- Ted Joans, a young Negro painter and coffee shop poet...."(front cover) A legendary book in the Beat canon,with collages & text by the quintessential hipster Ted Joans (1927-2003) published at the height of the "Rent-a-Beatnik" era. Published in 1961. I was two years old. ha they do indeed have rent a hipster, its called an art gallery or artist intern! hipsters are 100% backed by their wealthy parents, so they can do things like be an artist or intern while living in an expensive place like nyc. rarely do they even ever have to tap that trust fund. and indeed hipster is an old term, i think it even goes back to the flapper era. yet another revival of the term was in 1982 for the pop music band rem's landmark ep chronic town. this is the record that invented college radio and the mass popularization of college radio music, a pop music genre that lasted a good ten years. check the lyrics on a song: STUMBLE We'll stumble through the yard We'll stumble through the yard We'll stumble through the A-P-T We'll stumble through the yard Force fields. Explorer racing home, the ancient star. Yellow mixed with golden hue. Scan the graveyard, dead there be. Ball and chain. Ball and chain. Ball and chain. Ball and chain. (Repeat 1st verse 3 times) It was round about midnight. Hipster town. Imagine going for a walk. Things get around to taking place. It's not a waste of time. The rich got a little poorer. Things get around to taking place. If they're gonna happen at all. Don't need that jazz. Don't need that stuff. It was round about midnight. Hipster town. It was round about midnight. Hipster town. (Repeat 1st verse) ^ needless to say, todays hipsters do not find micheal stipe 'deck' and they hate a state college bred, blue collar band like rem!
August 27, 201212 yr That Chronic Town EP is killer. Never noticed that lyric before. Been digging alot of 80's alternative/underground music lately. REM, The dBs, Flat Duo Jets, Let's Active, Young Marble Giants, Big Dipper, The Replacements, Galaxy 500, Robyn Hitchcock, The Clean....
September 8, 201212 yr I hate hipsters as much as the next guy, but I've learned to divide them into two groups. The group that is more destructive and trashy is the trust fund hipster crowd, what I call "original hipsters" or "Vice Republicans." An original hipster is someone who is so wealthy, they no longer care how they present themselves to the world. They can get away with scraggly beards, trash staches, tattoos, alternative hairstyles, gender-neutral clothing, smoking, drug use, etc. because they aren't worried about a career in the traditional sense or maintaining a "professional image." They have large inheritances or help with rent from mom and dad (or other family members). This type of hipster mainly populates New York and San Francisco, places with massive amounts of money and extremely high rents. Many of these hipsters espouse "liberal" values, but only for show. Deep down, many of them are Vice Republicans and fiscally conservative since it maintains their position in society atop the economic food chain. These kids also tend to dominate fields like media and fashion since they can afford to work unpaid internships. Original hipsters have existed in New York and San Francisco for quite some time. They are not a new trend. The other type of hipster cops the style of the original hipsters and is into a lot of the same music/art, but does not have the same family help. This is a key distinction. They are working hipsters. Many of these hipsters are the types who work at bars, retail, and restaurants in places like the Mission District or other insanely expensive hipster neighborhoods. They have to work day jobs, and a result, are usually better people. Many of the working hipsters are priced out of living in the original hipster neighborhoods, but they visit the original hipster neighborhoods for jobs and to party. I think this second type of hipster is what is growing in the the Midwest and expanding into Ohio and other Rust Belt cities (especially Detroit and Buffalo). These kids grew up in the suburbs, but are moving to the city. This is a newer trend, and unfortunately (or fortunately depending how you feel) a lot less sustainable since the money isn't actually there. Many of them are single 20-somethings and 30-somethings who don't value the corporate way of the life and aren't looking for that. I also think the growth of the second type of hipster is related to the erosion of the middle class and collapse of the entry-level job market. Might as well get a tattoo and grow a mustache if there are no good jobs for you, right? The growth of hipsters seems to be related to the extension of the college lifestyle.
September 10, 201212 yr ^Agreed. :-D I want to do a photoblog and those old hipster websites like the one about Rosa DeLauro need to be revived. There is more material than ever out there since the movement has gotten so big. And you were right about this: i had no idea trust funds were so prominent among hipsters. maybe in brooklyn...or maybe a true hipster (as in 'hip') is kinda like a lazy, PC, yuppie That's the core of it, especially in New York and San Francisco. The high rents are the reason. But the movement against hipsters continues to grow, even in San Francisco (maybe especially in San Francisco since the dominant cultures tend to be coastal California, Asian, and fraternity/sorority Marina types). San Francisco coffeeshop bans 'hipster' conversations Published August 17, 2012FoxNews.com A San Francisco coffee shop has barred patrons from discussing "annoying hipster topics," including chatting up their sexual exploits to avoid annoying neighbors and fellow customers. The baristas at Bay Area shop FourBarrel put the apparent beat-down on beatniks with a list of rules taped near its back door... Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/17/san-francisco-coffeeshop-bans-hipster-conversations/#ixzz261eNzSKu
September 11, 201212 yr The other type of hipster cops the style of the original hipsters and is into a lot of the same music/art, but does not have the same family help. This is a key distinction. They are working hipsters. Many of these hipsters are the types who work at bars, retail, and restaurants in places like the Mission District or other insanely expensive hipster neighborhoods. They have to work day jobs, and a result, are usually better people. Many of the working hipsters are priced out of living in the original hipster neighborhoods, but they visit the original hipster neighborhoods for jobs and to party. I think this second type of hipster is what is growing in the the Midwest and expanding into Ohio and other Rust Belt cities (especially Detroit and Buffalo). These kids grew up in the suburbs, but are moving to the city. This is a newer trend, and unfortunately (or fortunately depending how you feel) a lot less sustainable since the money isn't actually there. Many of them are single 20-somethings and 30-somethings who don't value the corporate way of the life and aren't looking for that. I also think the growth of the second type of hipster is related to the erosion of the middle class and collapse of the entry-level job market. Might as well get a tattoo and grow a mustache if there are no good jobs for you, right? The growth of hipsters seems to be related to the extension of the college lifestyle. Excellent post (as usual, Cdawg). I think the book on the Wicker Park scene, "Neo Bohemia", makes a very similar point to yours, about erosion of stable work and middle class income...and that "bohemia" is sort of a stylistic adoption to this (if we can agree that "hipster" is a subset of "bohemia"). And yr distinction btw the two hipster types reminds me of what an old San Francisco type (a buddy of my first boss, native to The City and sort of bohemian in that Bay Area way...) told me..his distinction btw "Beatniks" & "Hippies"....that Beatniks worked and Hippies did not. I used to think that hippys were beaniks after they did acid, but apparently there was more of a distinction than that.
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