A lot of that vintage-looking equipment during the time of metal was a rebellion against metal. "Look, I'm smarter." Some of these people would have sounded better through a Fender or a 50W Marshall, but had to go all the way to the left. And people playing guitars with horrible action and intonation just to look like a '50s geek.

Yeah, when there's an over-attention to equipment, then an over-attention to having precisely the right glasses, beard, and flea market t-shirt shirt with embroidered waterfowl. 

 

 

 

 

 

This guy:

Wow.  That's something. 

every premise is wrong from the start, but thats what makes it a funny read:

 

http://nypost.com/2014/03/22/the-hipster-war-on-you-how-liberals-use-cool-as-a-weapon/

 

"OK, so why aren’t conservatives cool? Gutfeld makes a valid point: 'From my experience being around conservatives, it’s extremely frustrating how dismissive they are of ‘weird’ things, and that hurts them.' Gutfeld chooses the music that backs his segments on “The Five” and “my choices are never met with ‘That’s good’ or ‘That sucks.’ It’s always rewarded with anguished looks on the other panelists’ faces and the two-word review, ‘That’s weird.’ ”

 

That's right, conservatives need to stop having to be on the "winning" team all the time and only praise things that have "won" such as nu-country, classic rock and giant corporate entitles. Perhaps if the Right actually did win all the time it would make more sense.

This guy:

 

They still had to show him pumping gas rather than walking or using transit so that suburban and rural conservatives could relate to him somehow.

Whoa:

The coolest conservative.

 

ha - yep!

 

"Europe was a horrible place. There was nothing on TV. The food was terrible. And they don't even have ice. Who doesn't have ice?"

 

Johnny Ramone

 

 

ha - yep!

 

"Europe was a horrible place. There was nothing on TV. The food was terrible. And they don't even have ice. Who doesn't have ice?"

 

Johnny Ramone

 

The "conversations" between he and Joey must've been pretty amazing!

 

Thank you Republicans! You may have just killed the hipster movement...

 

I get what they're doing here, and I love it! It's a joke, right? This makes hipsters look like idiots. I may start voting GOP after seeing this clever attack on mainstream coastal hipsters. I think the Democrat-leaning media outlets are misreading what these ads are all about. This is merely canon fodder for the country club GOP and reinforces stereotypes about young Democrats in Brooklyn...

 

If the GOP wants to take the mantra of being anti-hipster, they very much could snag Gen Z before they even start voting. It's the kids in junior high and high school today who think "those old, crustily bearded, gender bender 20-somethings" are uncool. Those younger kids are the demographic to target. Genius marketing here if that was the intention...

 

*Though knowing the GOP, I doubt it. This was probably made by a 50-something white couple in the suburbs sick of hearing their kids complain about how it hard it is to find a job.

In reality, I’d say the disconnect between appearance/style and political views among younger people began during the very late 70s, about the time Johnny Ramone could be a Republican and a Greg Marmalard clone a liberal Democrat.  It began as anti-liberalism, but Reagan sealed it with his cultural libertarianism.  Back during the early to mid 80s, I had some fun with its vestiges myself .

 

It hasn’t really revived since.  There been a recurring effort to do so among some of the antiwar/occupy left.  P.J. O’Rourke skewered it by comparing neo-hippies to people showing up at sixties anti-war rallies wearing zoot suits.

 

Hmmm.  Just realized that Napoleon Dynamite turns 10 this year.  How influential has this movie been on Millennials, specifically, since whenever I watch TV (which is extremely rare) it seems like most advertising and many shows are going after the anti-aethetic and themes of this movie.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxKzFIoLBGA

 

 

 

I mean, it seems like tons of commercials aimed at the college-educated middle class have "music box" soundtracks similar to the White Stripes song that opens the movie.  All of this advertising music is now designed to arouse an emotion that hovers between true sentiment and ironic sentiment with a vague sprinkling of "indie".

 

 

Of course, for people who actually pay attention to American music, they'd know that this all finds its roots in "Sunday Morning", the first song on the first Velvet Underground album, from back in 1966. 

 

 

 

 

 

If the GOP wants to take the mantra of being anti-hipster, they very much could snag Gen Z before they even start voting. It's the kids in junior high and high school today who think "those old, crustily bearded, gender bender 20-somethings" are uncool. Those younger kids are the demographic to target. Genius marketing here if that was the intention...

 

 

I can see that -- the possibility of a new "Glam teen" thing coming around. Sorta like how coming out of the '70s when all these classic rock dinosaurs with their giant fu-manchu mustaches and leftover hippie beards that made them look 40 when they were really 20, flouncy blouses, kimonos and bellbottoms got wiped out by the clean-shaven with product in their hair Def Leppards, Quiet Riots and Ratts that were young and actually looked it.

We've been talking about "The Blacklist" on another thread, could there possibly be a more stereotypical "hipster" than Tom Keen?

 

If the GOP wants to take the mantra of being anti-hipster, they very much could snag Gen Z before they even start voting. It's the kids in junior high and high school today who think "those old, crustily bearded, gender bender 20-somethings" are uncool. Those younger kids are the demographic to target. Genius marketing here if that was the intention...

 

 

I can see that -- the possibility of a new "Glam teen" thing coming around. Sorta like how coming out of the '70s when all these classic rock dinosaurs with their giant fu-manchu mustaches and leftover hippie beards that made them look 40 when they were really 20, flouncy blouses, kimonos and bellbottoms got wiped out by the clean-shaven with product in their hair Def Leppards, Quiet Riots and Ratts that were young and actually looked it.

 

Never thought of them as purely "glam", they were more the glam-influenced part of 80s metal.

 

The New York Dolls, Sweet, and early David Bowie are exactly who you're talking about.  Then came punk, of course.  80s metal was a fusion of the three genres.

Thing is, I don't expect them to go this far (speaking of Quiet Riot):

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLsw668PVyY

 

So the early '80s hair rock with regular dudes before the makeup came along and the wardrobes got out of control is more applicable even if the look doesn't wind up being the same.

 

 

Hmmm.  Just realized that Napoleon Dynamite turns 10 this year.  How influential has this movie been on Millennials, specifically, since whenever I watch TV (which is extremely rare) it seems like most advertising and many shows are going after the anti-aethetic and themes of this movie.

 

It's an interesting dynamic because the movie, to the best of my knowledge, is not an 'era piece'....... yet it seems like it is supposed to take place in some small community which has been stuck in a 1980's timewarp.  I can't imagine that many millenials take much notice of half the shite in that movie which is from my generation (X).  The tacky clothes and styles, virtually everything inside his grandmother's home from the phone to the furniture, the walkman, trapper-keepers, the soundtrack..... nearly everything is from the 80's.

Hmmm.  Just realized that Napoleon Dynamite turns 10 this year.  How influential has this movie been on Millennials, specifically, since whenever I watch TV (which is extremely rare) it seems like most advertising and many shows are going after the anti-aethetic and themes of this movie.

 

It's an interesting dynamic because the movie, to the best of my knowledge, is not an 'era piece'....... yet it seems like it is supposed to take place in some small community which has been stuck in a 1980's timewarp.  I can't imagine that many millenials take much notice of half the shite in that movie which is from my generation (X).  The tacky clothes and styles, virtually everything inside his grandmother's home from the phone to the furniture, the walkman, trapper-keepers, the soundtrack..... nearly everything is from the 80's.

 

Yeah, it was without a doubt set a good twenty years before it was released.  More "Hollywood Knights" than "Pump Up The Volume".

Hmmm.  Just realized that Napoleon Dynamite turns 10 this year.  How influential has this movie been on Millennials, specifically, since whenever I watch TV (which is extremely rare) it seems like most advertising and many shows are going after the anti-aethetic and themes of this movie.

 

It's an interesting dynamic because the movie, to the best of my knowledge, is not an 'era piece'....... yet it seems like it is supposed to take place in some small community which has been stuck in a 1980's timewarp.  I can't imagine that many millenials take much notice of half the shite in that movie which is from my generation (X).  The tacky clothes and styles, virtually everything inside his grandmother's home from the phone to the furniture, the walkman, trapper-keepers, the soundtrack..... nearly everything is from the 80's.

 

You see that in the more rural areas. They aren't hell-bent on remodeling everything every four years like people in Columbus are.

^That movie was more than a little extreme, but I get your point.  And it's not just rural areas.  I remember it being around 2001 or so and I had been living the 'slow-life' down south for a few years when I came back to Cleveland to find an invasion of black leather jackets (not bombers) and black rimmed glasses.  I nearly panicked until I made it over to the near west side to find that the 80's time warp was still alive and well with the mullets / mud-flaps hangin' tough..... the men also seemed to be styling their hair the same.  F'in Tremont, OC, and D-S ruined that in short order.  Now the hipsters and metros (and odd combinations of both) are EVERYwhere.

Has it really come to this?

 

http://gothamist.com/2014/04/11/smallest_penis_in_brooklyn_competit.php

hipsters are a fantastic investment!

 

developer turns $6M into $58M in bushwick

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20140407/REAL_ESTATE/140409894/-developer-makes-a-killing-in-bushwick

Just realized that this video turns 20 this year...right now in 2014 the way the guys in the band are dressed is how I see everyone who is college-aged looking now.  And Liz's look has been the standard "cool indie rock chick" look for at least 20 years. 

 

I was about 15 when this video aired, and the consensus was that Liz Phair looked like pretty much the coolest girlfriend to be had.  Now, she looks like after slashing your tires and calling your workplace with some made-up nonsense she'd go pounce on one of your best friends. 

She looks like a Democrat's girlfriend. As teenage Republican seeing this on Beavis and Butthead I was like "no way, give me a tan big-haired cheerleader".

She looks like a Democrat's girlfriend. As teenage Republican seeing this on Beavis and Butthead I was like "no way, give me a tan big-haired cheerleader".

 

Definitely.  But compare her to the other she-rockers of that era:

 

Lisa Loeb: king of the coffee shop girls, possibly goes to Wednesday night bible study

Juliana Hatfield: king of the truly nerdy, bizarre girls -- sees (and confounds) a therapist

Kim Deal: an urban hillbilly, a true genius songwriter, but probably a vicious and nasty human being

Kelly Deal: see above, slightly better-looking, but does more hard drugs

D'Arcy Wretsky: not particularly intelligent and truly insane

Liz Phair: king of the indie rock girls, but manipulative and ultimately insecure

 

 

 

 

Wow!  You know them that well?

 

FWIW, I do know some people who have dealt with Kim Deal in a professional capacity and said she was a truly nice and sweet person.

I just did some searches and saw that D'Arcy was arrested a few years ago and obviously has been having a rough time and unfortunately the internet has offered its usual vicious response to a famous person's misfortune. 

 

X, have you watched any of those Breeders or Pixies documentaries?  They certainly paint an exceedingly complex picture of the Deal sisters.  I have seen them play live and they are very intense -- both of them very scatterbrained and irreverent between songs but then completely focussed while playing.  Also Frank Black comes across as pretty much the biggest jerk of all time.  Again, an insanely focussed individual. 

 

So, when you enter "The Breeders" into youtube, you get a bunch of horse mating videos. 

 

She looks like a Democrat's girlfriend. As teenage Republican seeing this on Beavis and Butthead I was like "no way, give me a tan big-haired cheerleader".

 

Definitely.  But compare her to the other she-rockers of that era:

 

Lisa Loeb: king of the coffee shop girls, possibly goes to Wednesday night bible study

Juliana Hatfield: king of the truly nerdy, bizarre girls -- sees (and confounds) a therapist

Kim Deal: an urban hillbilly, a true genius songwriter, but probably a vicious and nasty human being

Kelly Deal: see above, slightly better-looking, but does more hard drugs

D'Arcy Wretsky: not particularly intelligent and truly insane

Liz Phair: king of the indie rock girls, but manipulative and ultimately insecure

 

The one who seemed most grounded was my favorite, Sarah Shannon.  For bizarre yet cool, there was Mikki Berenyi.

 

So, when you enter "The Breeders" into youtube, you get a bunch of horse mating videos. 

 

 

thats hilarious. i'm working on two band names right now. and it's all about seo - search engine optimization lol. also, i read an onion article proving that all good band names are officially taken.

 

So, when you enter "The Breeders" into youtube, you get a bunch of horse mating videos. 

 

 

thats hilarious. i'm working on two band names right now. and it's all about seo - search engine optimization lol. also, i read an onion article proving that all good band names are officially taken.

 

Wouldn't the old tactic of intentional misspelling work for search engines?

Random fact I just learned - D'Arcy is also a May Day baby :-)

 

Love Mikki Berenyi and Lush, even though I could never understand any of the d@mn lyrics.

I have no idea what any of you people are talking about. I'm shocked that E Rocc does too considering he and I are about the same age.

^Chicks that were in bands often featured on MTV's 120 Minutes back in the day.

^Chicks that were in bands often featured on MTV's 120 Minutes back in the day.

 

Yes that's it exactly.  Around the country approximately 3.14% of people age 15-25 planned their week around sitting on the couch on Sundays at midnight, or at least setting their VCR's.  That's where a lot of the clips you see on youtube are from -- from low-res VHS tapes where people probably taped over 2 or 3 other things. 

 

Everyone's seen those "we show kids a rotary phone" and "we show kids a cassette walkman" clips, right?  What about "we show kids MTV".  But even if they did that I don't think they'd really understand because in the 80s and first half of the 90s there wasn't anything else on TV for teenagers.  It was in a way your only way to see other parts of the world, aside from movies shot overseas and perhaps watching international sporting events aired on ABC's Wide World of Sports. 

 

I mean, you're a little kid in the midwest, and they're pumping your brain full of stuff like this:

"It was in a way your only way to see other parts of the world, aside from movies shot overseas and perhaps watching international sporting events aired on ABC's Wide World of Sports." CNN's Style with Elsa Klensch or 'Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous'

 

Edited to reflect my perspective, and it didn't hurt that Dave Kendall was too cute (fake hair or not) and had a sexy accent (fake or not) which was really pronounced when he was introducing a new video by the Hoodoo Gurus.  :-)

 

 

Then that Kennedy came along and ruined it.  :x

 

 

I have no idea what any of you people are talking about. I'm shocked that E Rocc does too considering he and I are about the same age.

 

I lost cable at age 12 when we moved to the farm so my '90s MTV experience was very limited. I paid a buddy who had satellite $5 a tape to tape Beavis and Butthead for me. But my '80s MTV exposure was unlimited. I sure it helped me stay in Metal land and froze the music of my youth to Whitesnake, Priest, Maiden, Ratt and Ozzy. Other people my age consider the music of their youth to be 2Pac, Red Hot Chili Peppers and Sublime. Not me.

 

I'm positive losing cable had a massive effect on me as a person. I really like TV and movies when I was little but now I could take or leave them. I'm not happy unless I "do" stuff all day and become really impatient with TV after more than half an hour or so. Music is much more important to me. And I have trouble keeping on top of sports.

I had to go to a friend's house to watch MTV because we didn't have cable until about 1989 (we were always the last to get everything -- last to get a color TV, last to get a microwave, and of course had no video games).  Then we only had basic cable (13 "A" channels and 13 "B" channels -- there was this clumsy A/B selector on the back of the TV), but when we got a VCR for some reason we got the 52-channel cable *IF* you changed channels through the VCR.  I remember talking to other kids at the time who stumbled upon that same windfall when they got VCR's.  So suddenly you had MTV *AND* scrambled porn. 

 

"It was in a way your only way to see other parts of the world, aside from movies shot overseas and perhaps watching international sporting events aired on ABC's Wide World of Sports." CNN's Style with Elsa Klensch or 'Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous'

 

Then that Kennedy came along and ruined it.  :x

 

Ah yes, Lifestyles.  I seem to remember that it came on on Saturdays or Sundays around 5:30, right before the news.  They were always featuring Donald & Ivanna Trump.  The casinos, the jets, the Trump Tower.  When I finally traveled to New York, seeing the Trump Tower in person was the one solidly underwhelming sight!

 

^Chicks that were in bands often featured on MTV's 120 Minutes back in the day.

 

^Chicks that were in bands often featured on MTV's 120 Minutes back in the day.

 

Yes that's it exactly.  Around the country approximately 3.14% of people age 15-25 planned their week around sitting on the couch on Sundays at midnight, or at least setting their VCR's.  That's where a lot of the clips you see on youtube are from -- from low-res VHS tapes where people probably taped over 2 or 3 other things. 

 

Everyone's seen those "we show kids a rotary phone" and "we show kids a cassette walkman" clips, right?  What about "we show kids MTV".  But even if they did that I don't think they'd really understand because in the 80s and first half of the 90s there wasn't anything else on TV for teenagers.  It was in a way your only way to see other parts of the world, aside from movies shot overseas and perhaps watching international sporting events aired on ABC's Wide World of Sports. 

 

I mean, you're a little kid in the midwest, and they're pumping your brain full of stuff like this:

 

We actually got in the habit of watching MTV at midnight with the Headbanger's Ball, so 120 minutes was a logical extension.  Indeed, I should dig up some of my VHS tapes, I know I have some.

 

Lush and a few other bands we picked up because both my brother and I would typically pick up NME and Melody Maker at the Record Exchange, or Dave would have his lead singer (who ran the Maple store) snag copies.  The Brits did (and still do) pop rock better than us and in fact we'd pick up on some of the better US acts (like Velocity Girl) there.  This is how the Manic Street Preachers, the Trashcan Sinatras, and later Kenickie ended up high on my car playlists.

 

I saw Lush a couple times and my brother did once more when they opened at Blossom for a festival (possibly Lollapalooza) that headlined Pearl Jam.  He almost got into it with security in the pavilion when they were hassling a guy they did not recognize but he did and was ready to back up.  Helping out Eddie Vedder in such circumstances would have been a "slight" break for his band.

 

"With music still on MTV" - SR-71, 1985 (they did it first).  The irony is "reality TV" ruined MTV before it wrecked network prime time.

I have no idea what any of you people are talking about. I'm shocked that E Rocc does too considering he and I are about the same age.

 

Keep in mind I did not grow up until October 5, 2010.  :-)

>We actually got in the habit of watching MTV at midnight with the Headbanger's Ball, so 120 minutes was a logical extension. 

 

Headbanger's Ball was on Saturday nights at midnight and I thought that 120 Minutes was on Sunday nights at 11 or 12 midnight. 

 

I remember most teenagers were mildly terrified of living with some random person in the dorms.  Then comes along the Real World, which in its intro emphasized "7...STRANGERS".  Well, living in the dorms you were living with about 45 of them on your floor. 

^ [country twang] TRUE STO-RYYYYYY!!

 

I didn't watch 120 minutes much, although I had a bit of a nerd crush on Kennedy. I imagined her hair smelled like patchouli and pot.

 

I miss Headbanger's ball. Well, actually, I miss being a teenager and watching headbanger's ball. I always laughed when Adam Curry had to interview Skid Row. He always seemed so put out by them. Really, if you're that much of a stick in the mud, why are you hosting Headbanger's Ball. Of course Sebastian Bach is going to pick his guitar player's nose.

^I imagined her hair smelled like patchouli and pot.

 

I imagined that a baby owl was going to fly out mid-sentence. 

^ [country twang] TRUE STO-RYYYYYY!!

 

I didn't watch 120 minutes much, although I had a bit of a nerd crush on Kennedy. I imagined her hair smelled like patchouli and pot.

 

She was actually a semi-activist Republican lol.

 

"Real World" and the even worse "Road Rules" spelled the end of the M in MTV, though quasi-morose grunge bands and hyperintroverted shoegazers probably didn't help as they weren't nearly as telegenic as Bach nose picking or G&R inviting Traci Lords to the podium during the height of her scandal.

^I imagined her hair smelled like patchouli and pot.

 

I imagined that a baby owl was going to fly out mid-sentence. 

 

That was part of the allure. She was like Sweet Lou Dunbar from the Super Globetrotters. She could pull anything out of that hair.

^I imagined her hair smelled like patchouli and pot.

 

I imagined that a baby owl was going to fly out mid-sentence. 

 

That was part of the allure. She was like Sweet Lou Dunbar from the Super Globetrotters. She could pull anything out of that hair.

 

She just put out a memoir of that era, I just picked up the e-book.  Interesting stuff so far and hilarious.  She claims to be the master of the one line comeback (being that way myself, I can see that) and her phrase that a haughty but not so smart record company woman had to "eat her wit s***" was worth the ten bucks.

I didn't watch 120 minutes much, although I had a bit of a nerd crush on Kennedy. I imagined her hair smelled like patchouli and pot.

 

Ewwww....

 

I'm so turned off by hipster girls it's ridiculous. I only enjoy leaning in with SoCal model types and high-maintenance girls who dress up and smell good. I really should be living in Los Angeles...

I didn't watch 120 minutes much, although I had a bit of a nerd crush on Kennedy. I imagined her hair smelled like patchouli and pot.

 

Ewwww....

 

I'm so turned off by hipster girls it's ridiculous. I only enjoy leaning in with SoCal model types and high-maintenance girls who dress up and smell good. I really should be living in Los Angeles...

 

Reading the book after I read the above, I had to laugh when she observed that having the Spin Doctors (who she quite notoriously despised) on the AN tour might cause her to "choke on the stench of patchouli bu August".