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Hey i was just thinking. Lets just say if there was no down town.s eg there was no downtown Cleveland would you still be living in Cleveland if you still had all the sports, cultures, the lack ect? Basicly if you took away the skyscrapers would you still love Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati, etc?

Hey i was just thinking. Lets just say if there was no down town.s eg there was no downtown Cleveland would you still be living in Cleveland if you still had all the sports, cultures, the lack ect? Basicly if you took away the skyscrapers would you still love Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati, etc?

 

So Cleveland would equal....Orwell?  Columbus = Ashley?

If you take away what makes a city a city, then it becomes a small town and that's a completely different animal.

 

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I kid! I kid! :-)

Hey i was just thinking. Lets just say if there was no down town.s eg there was no downtown Cleveland would you still be living in Cleveland if you still had all the sports, cultures, the lack ect? Basicly if you took away the skyscrapers would you still love Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati, etc?

 

So Cleveland would equal....Orwell?  Columbus = Ashley?

If you take away what makes a city a city, then it becomes a small town and that's a completely different animal.

 

I think you are missing the point.  Basically if you buldoze downtwn Cleveland and spread out housing subdivisions and suburban style retail/office, would you still live there?  My answer is yes.  I like this area.  I like the change of seasons, the attitudes of the people and the diverse attractions we have here outside of downtown Cleveland.  Skyscrapers dotted out across the city all over the place is not a reason for me to live in a particular area. 

downtown is much more than skyscrapers, but if that is all we are analyzing, i think the city would be vibrant without the skyscrapers. 

 

think about all of that office space spread out in smaller 7 or 10 story buildings that would cover a lot of area, making walkable communities and a successful area, similar to DC or some european cities that don't have skyscrapers. 

 

although i enjoy driving into the city and seeing the skyline, i don't think it actually does much to create safe and successful streetlife for the people who actually live in the city.

^ I agree. When a friend of mine and I were walking on Connecticut Avenue at M Street in D.C., he and I marveled at the neighborhood. It's a mix of 10-story office buildings and, away from Connecticut Avenue, lots of brownstones and, of course, tons of pedestrians at 9 p.m. on a weeknight.

 

He remarked "I wished we had something like this area in Cleveland." My response was that if you took Key Tower (it was brand-new at the time), sliced it up into six 10-story buildings, you would have something like this.

 

In fact, I think many American downtowns would be more vibrant if we didn't have so many skyscrapers, and instead spread them among numerous 6- to 15-story buildings on all those ugly and lifeless surface parking lots. That's still excellent density. Of course, we'd need the transit to support that, like D.C. has below Connecticut Ave. Instead, we have all these parking garages beneath or next to skyscrapers that allow the suburban commuters to avoid ever having to step out on a sidewalk.

 

Downtown Cleveland...

 

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Downtown Dublin Ireland (both shots below)...

 

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"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

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