5 hours ago, GCrites80s said:

 

Well, if environmentalists in the '60s '70s and '80s focused on good urbanism, rail transit, stopping urban decline, growth boundaries and other things that prevent sprawl, people wouldn't have to drive 100 to do outdoors activities.

 

 

The artist Donald Judd is the perfect example of how people didn't anticipate 80s-90s-2000s sprawl back in the 70s. 

I agree that the urbanized area of Columbus is a lot smaller and more compact than the urbanized area of Cincinnati. Cincinnati's metro has much more sprawl - especially to the north along 71 and 75. 

8 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

 

If Columbus, writ large, actually sprawls less than Cincinnati, it's by total chance.  The Cincinnati metro area has significant flood plain and topographical issues that everyone who is from here is acutely aware of - far beyond any that plague Columbus. 

 

 

 

It's absolutely not by chance. Zoning laws have a huge part in it. Columbus itself has less restrictive zoning in much of the city than Cincinnati does so you can build denser in the city. Plus, Columbus annexations means they control much more of the metro area. Then, even the suburbs in central Ohio have less restrictive zoning. In much of the Cincinnati metro area, low-density residential is all you're allowed to build. As a result, development has spread further up and down 71 and 75.

Columbus also doesn't have the culture war between the city and suburbs that other cities do. It does have a culture war between the semi-rural areas and the city though.

14 hours ago, jonoh81 said:

 

Columbus is arguably the most compact metro in Ohio.  More than 70% of its population resides in Franklin County, with more than 50% of that within Columbus itself.  Its urbanized area also has the highest density in Ohio.  There are at least 2 Ohio metros that have more of its srea development being low-density sprawl- Dayton and Cincinnati. No Ohio city sprawls like those in the Sun Belt, though. 

 

Cuyahoga County is more dense than Franklin County by a decent margin, even with the Metroparks, 3 rivers running through it, and a national park.  I could care less what percentage of the metro area resides in the city of Columbus because the city of Columbus is 3 times the land area of Cleveland and spans 3 counties.

 

BTW, your stats are off.  Franklin County contains 62.0% of the metro population.  For comparison, Cuyahoga County contains 60.3% of the Cleveland metro area's population, while being only a little over 80% of the size of Franklin County.

 

But as we've mentioned before, density doesn't always equate to walkability or less car dependence, which is normally what we think of as being the hallmark of sprawl.  For instance, the village of Chagrin Falls likely has significantly lower density than this area of Columbus while being FAR more walkable:

 

Edited July 10, 20204 yr by jam40jeff

Uh, Chagrin Falls isn't walkable by any stretch aside from downtown and that little flat area just southwest of it.

 

Now, Chagrin Falls has a nice downtown versus something off Rt. 161 but that probably isn't the best comparison.  

2 hours ago, GCrites80s said:

Columbus also doesn't have the culture war between the city and suburbs that other cities do. It does have a culture war between the semi-rural areas and the city though.

Yep, I think central Ohio understands that cooperation between the suburbs and city is important for a successful region.  This is a bit of the point I've been trying to make.  I don't hate growth in the suburbs because I know that will also benefit the city.

1 hour ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

Yep, I think central Ohio understands that cooperation between the suburbs and city is important for a successful region.  This is a bit of the point I've been trying to make.  I don't hate growth in the suburbs because I know that will also benefit the city.

 

I think the fact that many of the suburban areas are within the city limits helps them more than anything.

4 hours ago, ColDayMan said:

Uh, Chagrin Falls isn't walkable by any stretch aside from downtown and that little flat area just southwest of it.

 

Now, Chagrin Falls has a nice downtown versus something off Rt. 161 but that probably isn't the best comparison.  

 

The village of Chagrin Falls is very walkable (as well as very small.)  You're probably thinking of outlying areas like Bainbridge Township and Moreland Hills.

 

My point was simply that density does not equal walkability.  Even the downtown area and small surrounding neighborhoods are not very dense due to them being mostly single family homes, even though it is extremely walkable in character.

 

I suppose to make my point better, I should have used something around Columbus, like maybe Grandview Heights.  It has a respectable density of nearly 5,000/sqmi, but I bet the area around Morse Rd. and SR 161 has a similar density, although the walkability of each is drastically different.

Edited July 10, 20204 yr by jam40jeff

4 hours ago, GCrites80s said:

Columbus also doesn't have the culture war between the city and suburbs that other cities do. It does have a culture war between the semi-rural areas and the city though.

 

I don't want to jump in and start an argument, but i don't even think this statement is entirely true.  Even the "semi-rural" areas are growing and all of those particular areas have a strong connection with the culture of Columbus and Central Ohio.  For instance, look at the exurbs like Newark, Delaware and Lancaster.  All 3 of those cities are growing.  Those 3 cities would be like Elyria or Lorain in terms of distance with Cleveland...or Middletown and Hamilton are with Cincinnati.  Also, the "semi-rural" areas in between Columbus and the exurbs, for example Pataskala, Johnstown, London and Plain City for example are starting to blow up too.  The entire Central Ohio region has the same pro-growth mentality that they share with the city of Columbus and the metro.  That only exists because of a generally shared culture between all of the areas....Columbus, Suburbs, Exurbs and the Semi-rural.  Just my two cents.  Interesting conversation.  Thanks for the view points!! 

Edited July 10, 20204 yr by OhioFinest

^That is true for the counties you listed. But some of the things you hear people say in the southern counties are pretty intense.

14 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

 

If Columbus, writ large, actually sprawls less than Cincinnati, it's by total chance.  The Cincinnati metro area has significant flood plain and topographical issues that everyone who is from here is acutely aware of - far beyond any that plague Columbus. 

 

 

 

I'm not necessarily talking about area size.  It's more about the amount of existing development considered low-density or "exurban" in nature.

24 minutes ago, GCrites80s said:

^That is true for the counties you listed. But some of the things you hear people say in the southern counties are pretty intense.

 

I would bet people in Pataskala, Hilliard, Powell, etc. have similar opinions of the inner city areas of Columbus as suburban Clevelanders do of Cleveland.  The difference is that Columbus has annexed so much that much of what is within the city limits is not inner-city.

Edited July 10, 20204 yr by jam40jeff

4 hours ago, jam40jeff said:

 

Cuyahoga County is more dense than Franklin County by a decent margin, even with the Metroparks, 3 rivers running through it, and a national park.  I could care less what percentage of the metro area resides in the city of Columbus because the city of Columbus is 3 times the land area of Cleveland and spans 3 counties.

 

BTW, your stats are off.  Franklin County contains 62.0% of the metro population.  For comparison, Cuyahoga County contains 60.3% of the Cleveland metro area's population, while being only a little over 80% of the size of Franklin County.

 

But as we've mentioned before, density doesn't always equate to walkability or less car dependence, which is normally what we think of as being the hallmark of sprawl.  For instance, the village of Chagrin Falls likely has significantly lower density than this area of Columbus while being FAR more walkable:

 

 

You're right, I think I am mixing up the numbers.  In 2010, Franklin County was just under 61.2% of the metro population versus just over 62% in 2019.  Columbus was 67.6% of Franklin County in 2010 versus just over 68% in 2019.  Cleveland, meanwhile, was about 31% of Cuyahoga County in 2010 and about 30.8% of the county in 2019.  Cuyahoga was 61.6% of the metro in 2010 and about 60.3% in 2019.  The county-to-metro populations are similar, but heading in opposite directions. So yeah, Columbus would still be the most compact in terms of where the population- and therefore the development- actually is.  Columbus will pass Cleveland's density potentially within the next decade or so.  The county densities are not as different as you make them out to be- 2706 vs 2475, and Franklin County will also eventually pass Cuyahoga's.  Sprawl in Delaware County may be greater than in some other areas, but it still accounts for relatively little of the metro's growth.  The city of Columbus added almost as many people by itself the last 10 years as all of Delaware County has in the last 30.  

 

Walkability is not directly related to density.  Density is only the measure of the number of people divided by the area size.  It doesn't address concepts like walkability or transit access or building type or height.  Dense areas are more likely to be walkable, but not necessarily.  

2 hours ago, jam40jeff said:

 

I think the fact that many of the suburban areas are within the city limits helps them more than anything.

 

I'm not sure you can really say that when the main suburbs are largely independent cities.  There are 15 main suburbs within Franklin County.  I believe only 4 of them are actually landlocked by Columbus- Grandview, Bexley, Worthington and Whitehall.  Upper Arlington is not quite landlocked by Columbus boundaries, as there is township land between it and Hilliard on the western side.  There are also several small independent places likes Riverlea and Minerva Park, but only a few of them are also landlocked.  Suburban areas within the city limits are a little more subjective.  Is Clintonville a suburb or just a Columbus neighborhood?  Linden? Hilltop?   I'm not sure that would be any different than neighborhoods in other cities.

Edited July 10, 20204 yr by jonoh81

15 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

 

I'm not sure you can really say that when the main suburbs are largely independent cities.  There are 15 main suburbs within Franklin County.  I believe only 4 of them are actually landlocked by Columbus- Grandview, Bexley, Worthington and Whitehall.  Upper Arlington is not quite landlocked by Columbus boundaries, as there is township land between it and Hilliard on the western side.  There are also several small independent places likes Riverlea and Minerva Park, but only a few of them are also landlocked.  Suburban areas within the city limits are a little more subjective.  Is Clintonville a suburb or just a Columbus neighborhood?  Linden? Hilltop?   I'm not sure that would be any different than neighborhoods in other cities.

 

I meant that the prevailing attitude toward the city of Columbus is generally more positive among suburbanites in part because the city of Columbus isn't synonymous with "inner city" like it is in Cleveland.  In my mind, there are two reasons for this...a lot of "suburban" areas are within the city limits, and also OSU and downtown is all some people from the exurbs think of when they think of Columbus.  This isn't a knock on Columbus.  I'm just saying that I don't think the "old Columbus" area is all that different from Cleveland, it's just that the term "Columbus" has come to mean a much more encompassing area than "Cleveland" has.

And people in the southern counties have to drive through miles if Uncool Crescent to get to the good stuff. A lot of them work in the Uncool Crescent, too.

20 minutes ago, GCrites80s said:

to get to the good stuff.

Whoa now.  They have the Pumpkin Show down there.

I could have sworn we have a Cleveland Housing thread on here, but apparently not. That's ok, I think the point I'm seeing from this data better belongs here.

 

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Northeast Ohio home sales rebound in June

STAN BULLARD  July 15, 2020 10:18 AM

Yes-MLS reported June sales of 5,081 listings, up 25.5% from 4,049 the prior month, in the 15 counties that make up its territory. However, June this year was 3.4% behind 5,261 sold listings in June 2019.

 

Throughout Yes-MLS, the average sale price climbed 4.4% to $175,710 so far this year from $168,281 last year. And the amount of time on the market fell to 5% to 72 days this year from 76.

 

(T)he Cleveland-Akron area ranked eighth nationally in terms of resurgent demand after COVID-19 swept the nation.

 

The Cleveland area also did not lose as much ground as the nation to the pandemic.

https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/northeast-ohio-home-sales-rebound-june

 

The interesting points made are that year over year, Geauga County saw sales declines of 26%, and Summit declined 16%. Cuyahoga by comparison saw a decline of only 3.6%. I beleive this trend has been similar during the last couple of months (if I'm remembering correctly). This would show more people are buying/staying in Cuyahoga, at least during the pandemic, and less are moving to outlying counties. Possibly its a sign of more people moving in from out of the area too. It would be interesting to see if the trend continues after the market returns to normal. 

 

Are other metros in Ohio seeing this? It seems to be the opposite that is being reported from places like NYC.

Nice thread. My sentiments exactly. How can anyone build/live in these sprawling, throwaway disaster areas...

 

 

And

 

 

Just like the rock/paper/scissors that is US politics, racism is the thing that beats all reasoning for anti-suburbia.  

Financially, suburban sprawl is inefficient.

 

https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2020/10/11/the-numbers-dont-lie

 

20 hours ago, KJP said:

 

 

 

 

 

  

 

Same Energy

20 hours ago, KJP said:

Nice thread. My sentiments exactly. How can anyone build/live in these sprawling, throwaway disaster areas...

 

 

 

I know when I moved to the suburbs it was almost entirely because of the schools, not the built environment. I'd have stayed in the city if it had schools that I could realistically send my kids to. The private schools we'd consider we're so costly that staying in the city made no financial sense at all.

 

16 hours ago, Cleburger said:

Just like the rock/paper/scissors that is US politics, racism is the thing that beats all reasoning for anti-suburbia.  

 

Ironically, in Cincinnati we actually had to move to the suburbs to find some diversity.  Our kids will be mixed race (White and Asian) and we wanted to live in an area and school district that had some other Asian and/or mixed race kids. Cincinnati's only real urban Asian population is composed of college students clustered around UC. The vast majority of Asian families live in the northern suburbs.

 

6 hours ago, KJP said:

 

 

Can anyone with a Cleveland.com subscription give us a synopsis?  

^ Here's the first quarter of the article.

 

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If approved, new NOACA policy on highway interchanges will face quick test in 2021 over sprawl versus regional equity
Updated 12:40 PM; Today 9:20 AM
By Steven Litt, cleveland.com

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio — Sprawl enabled by interstate highways has been central to Northeast Ohio's history for decades. Pick any issue from white flight to racial segregation, entrenched urban poverty, or rising economic inequality, and suburban sprawl is a major, if not primary cause.

 

The question is whether the region can tap the brakes on outward growth and focus instead on redeveloping areas already built up.

 

The answer may depend on the success of a new policy drafted by the Northeast Ohio Areawide Coordinating Agency, the region's transportation planning agency, on how it should evaluate requests for adding new interchanges to the highway system.

 

That's critical because interchanges generally become hot areas of development that pull investment from other parts of Northeast Ohio. It's a zero sum game in a region that's expanding into former agricultural countryside without gaining in population.

 

If adopted on Friday by NOACA's board of directors at their quarterly meeting, the new policy would apply immediately to proposals for no fewer than eight new or modified highway interchanges across NOACA's five-county region, which includes Cuyahoga, Geauga, Lake, Lorain and Medina counties.

 

The new policy would require the agency for the first time to consistently analyze costs and benefits of new highway interchanges across the entire region, not just the community receiving the project.

...

 

On 12/5/2020 at 6:50 PM, Cleburger said:

 

Can anyone with a Cleveland.com subscription give us a synopsis?  

 

Very synopsized:  Consideration must be given to how a proposed highway interchange will affect issues of regional equity and equality.  No details are offered as to how this might be demonstrated. 

 

Personal view: The process seems to be very subjective and probably subject to court challenge. In other words, it's a lawyer's delight.

Great news. It was unanimously approved by all 38 of the voting members present. This could be a huge step in preventing sprawl! 
https://www.cleveland.com/news/2020/12/noaca-board-approves-new-policy-on-interchanges-that-could-limit-sprawl-encourage-smart-growth.html

Edited December 12, 20204 yr by cle_guy90
Added link.

How do you "mingle" without an objective in America's suburbs?? My Ukrainian wife was uncomfortable if not scared during her first few months in America. Even in relatively walkable Lakewood and much of Cleveland, she wondered "where is everybody?" She thought the city was abandoned because very few people were out walking. This past weekend, we drove along the lakefront from Port Clinton back to Lakewood. As we entered Lakewood and started seeing a few people walking (mostly for exercise or to walk their dogs), she said "Back in civilization again..."

 

 

As one who lived in Europe and Israel for two years l heartily agree. By far the biggest difference is they are outside living a collective life while we are inside living in our cocoon of individual freedom. 

 

Growing up in the US. except for a few cities that is all we know. It seems so right we can't even imagine another way of life. When l first stepped foot in London l knew l was in another world and l loved it. Like most Americans l had no idea you could live a different way.

2 hours ago, KJP said:

How do you "mingle" without an objective in America's suburbs?? My Ukrainian wife was uncomfortable if not scared during her first few months in America. Even in relatively walkable Lakewood and much of Cleveland, she wondered "where is everybody?" She thought the city was abandoned because very few people were out walking. This past weekend, we drove along the lakefront from Port Clinton back to Lakewood. As we entered Lakewood and started seeing a few people walking (mostly for exercise or to walk their dogs), she said "Back in civilization again..."

 

I played golf out in LaGrange OH this weekend at a course called Grey Hawk.   It's a newish course with a housing development included of course.   

 

I was surprised how close together the homes were, really even closer than homes in the city of Cleveland since there are no driveways running between them.   

 

I was not surprised that almost every house had a pickup truck in the driveway that wouldn't fit in the garage.   And one could gauge the socioeconomic strata by the level of build-out of their rear patios.    

 

But the strangest thing was there was no one outside.  I think I saw one guy in his back yard with his dog.   No signs of life otherwise.   

 

 

I honestly think it’s just what neighborhood you’re in. Where I live people are pretty active. Always outside walking and taking care of their yard. Not sure what’s wrong with a back deck either.

On 6/21/2021 at 4:43 PM, Cleburger said:

 

I played golf out in LaGrange OH this weekend at a course called Grey Hawk.   It's a newish course with a housing development included of course.   

 

I was surprised how close together the homes were, really even closer than homes in the city of Cleveland since there are no driveways running between them.   

 

I was not surprised that almost every house had a pickup truck in the driveway that wouldn't fit in the garage.   And one could gauge the socioeconomic strata by the level of build-out of their rear patios.    

 

But the strangest thing was there was no one outside.  I think I saw one guy in his back yard with his dog.   No signs of life otherwise.   

 

 

 

This is kind of the perfect example of density not equaling walkability. I was just looking at LaGrange on google maps, and if you only look at how the number of houses on any street it's comparable to Cleveland. Looking at the city as a whole you see that the residential and commercial areas don't have any direct connections so it makes driving the obvious choice. Just look at where the public library is in Lagrange, It's surrounded by a handful of houses and a ton of industrial uses. The vast majority of the residential zoning is over 3/4 of a mile away from it as the crow flies, not to mention it requires walking along the main road through town with a speed limit of 35 but I expect people to regularly go much faster than that because it's straight and wide. There are sidewalks but there's little shade and walking next to 40+ mph cars does not make for a pleasant environment. 

Edited June 23, 20213 yr by Henryefry

Something I've been thinking about recently, not exactly related to "sprawl" but not sure where else to put this.

 

The Van Aken phase 2 development will be about 20 stories. Ascent at the Top of the Hill in Cleveland Heights will be 10 stories. One Lakewood Place, whenever it actually gets built, could be up to 20 stories based on previous proposals.

 

I can't really think of other midsized cities that have such high density residential developments in their suburbs. Are there lots of other comparable projects in other areas I don't know about, or is Cleveland sort of exceptional in terms of the scale of the largest residential projects in the suburbs.

To be clear, I'm just asking about 10-20 story residential projects in the suburbs of midsized cities. I know there are plenty residential developments in the 5-6 story range in suburbs of other midsized metros. I also know the largest metros have some pretty massive suburban projects.

^Clayton, MO comes to mind right away. It's essentially a second downtown and has a high concentration of both residential and commercial towers. It really competes with downtown STL and pulls alot from them at this point, with more highrises being built there now. Clayton is sort of its owner animal as the seat of St Louis County though, and with the concentration of government jobs that comes along with it. I'm not aware of any other peer cities with comparable highrises going up in their suburbs.

5 hours ago, LlamaLawyer said:

Something I've been thinking about recently, not exactly related to "sprawl" but not sure where else to put this.

 

The Van Aken phase 2 development will be about 20 stories. Ascent at the Top of the Hill in Cleveland Heights will be 10 stories. One Lakewood Place, whenever it actually gets built, could be up to 20 stories based on previous proposals.

 

I can't really think of other midsized cities that have such high density residential developments in their suburbs. Are there lots of other comparable projects in other areas I don't know about, or is Cleveland sort of exceptional in terms of the scale of the largest residential projects in the suburbs.

To be clear, I'm just asking about 10-20 story residential projects in the suburbs of midsized cities. I know there are plenty residential developments in the 5-6 story range in suburbs of other midsized metros. I also know the largest metros have some pretty massive suburban projects.

 

There's also the Lakewood Gold Coast high rises that range from the teens (stories tall) to near 30, downtown Lakewood high-rises plus a couple on Madison, Euclid's high rises along the lakefront, Mayfield Heights (Golden Gate area) with apartment buildings up to 15 stories tall, and the high-rises along I-271 through Beachwood and Highland Hills (Menorah Park, Point East, Eaton Corp. HQ, Ahuja, etc).

 

 

On 6/30/2021 at 9:25 PM, KJP said:

 

There's also the Lakewood Gold Coast high rises that range from the teens (stories tall) to near 30, downtown Lakewood high-rises plus a couple on Madison, Euclid's high rises along the lakefront, Mayfield Heights (Golden Gate area) with apartment buildings up to 15 stories tall, and the high-rises along I-271 through Beachwood and Highland Hills (Menorah Park, Point East, Eaton Corp. HQ, Ahuja, etc).

 

The suburban mid-rise apartment craze (especially in the 70s) also spread out into Lake County.  There's the cluster in Willoughby Hills along Ridge Rd. close to SOM Center and I90 which are all 15-20 stories, and the couple further down Lakeshore in Wickliffe close to Vine St.  

 

This time around major developments are happening in the city itself vs. the suburbs.  

I actually think it is less sprawl but more the internet and associated social media that has made people less connected. If you wanted to connect with people(and people did)you had to at least get in your car and go to communal places to actually meet and congregate with people.  An example-Look at gays now-before there were gayborhoods, gay restaurants and bars where people would congregate-even if they had to drive to them-they did. Now it is all apps and gathering spaces specifically for LGBTQ+ people have declined. It is a very different socialization than it was 30 years ago(in some ways much better, in others much worse). I am sure it is not just this community that has been through this also.

 

Even in the suburb I grew up in, people made an effort to gather at places or get together as neighbors-there was no choice if you wanted to be social. Getting together/meeting with others in person was just about it besides being on the phone all the time(and blocking others from using it since it was one line to a house...remember that?)

 

The internet has been a double edged sword.  Internet plus sprawl is not a good thing for socialization. 

Yeah once the internet reached full adoption the gay bars in Columbus turned into everybody bars/restaurants and "gay" just became another theme like "sports" "Harley" and "Hipster-Lite".

1 hour ago, GCrites80s said:

Yeah once the internet reached full adoption the gay bars in Columbus turned into everybody bars/restaurants and "gay" just became another theme like "sports" "Harley" and "Hipster-Lite".

A "gay friendly" non-gay bar is not going to ever have something like the experience that was Tradewinds or The Eagle in the 80's or 90's.  You could take your straight friends to The Garage for dancing and drinking....these other two...uh...not so much with most of them! lol.

 

Will not derail the thread further/end derailing.

 

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Where America’s developed areas are growing

 

Zach Levitt, Jess Eng

 

Between 2001 and 2019, the built-up landscape of America — buildings, roads and other structures — has expanded into previously undeveloped areas, adding more than 14,000 square miles of new development across the contiguous United States — an area over five times the size of Delaware.

 

A Washington Post analysis of data released by the U.S. Geological Survey this summer highlights where the most development has taken place. Suburbs are sprawling out in Arizona and Nevada as industries move to the Sun Belt, retirement communities are popping up in Florida as the baby boomer generation ages, and oil and natural gas wells have emerged across North Dakota and West Texas.

 

This article has a really interesting interactive map that shows all the urbanized land of in the US in 2001, and then the land developed since then till 2019.

On 7/15/2021 at 8:30 AM, Toddguy said:

I actually think it is less sprawl but more the internet and associated social media that has made people less connected. If you wanted to connect with people(and people did)you had to at least get in your car and go to communal places to actually meet and congregate with people.  An example-Look at gays now-before there were gayborhoods, gay restaurants and bars where people would congregate-even if they had to drive to them-they did. Now it is all apps and gathering spaces specifically for LGBTQ+ people have declined. It is a very different socialization than it was 30 years ago(in some ways much better, in others much worse). I am sure it is not just this community that has been through this also.

 

Even in the suburb I grew up in, people made an effort to gather at places or get together as neighbors-there was no choice if you wanted to be social. Getting together/meeting with others in person was just about it besides being on the phone all the time(and blocking others from using it since it was one line to a house...remember that?)

 

The internet has been a double edged sword.  Internet plus sprawl is not a good thing for socialization. 

 

It allows for selective socialization.   Which has been the preference of an increasing majority for quite some time now.  Almost to the point of being a megatrend.  A mistake people make across the political and social spectrum is believing that everyone should prefer what they prefer, and live the way they prefer to live.   

Ironically, now that the suburban lifestyle is predominant, people who prefer it, even very strongly, are less vocal about this.

That wasn't the case in the immediate postwar era.   "Sprawl" was a goal, not a concern.  For many reasons.

Using apps and such allows for a more dense social life as well, and the ability to step away quickly, easily, and effectively.

I'm trying to help fix a balky CMM right now, and as I keep telling people here, it's irrelevant what a piece of tech "should" do, it's going to do what it's going to do.   People, especially Americans, are like that as well more often than not.

Edited August 10, 20213 yr by E Rocc

Monocultures make people unprepared for life in Modern America.

Kevin Roche’s Union Carbide Headquarters Gets a Second Chance

The largest office building in the state of Connecticut is transformed into a mixed-use complex for contemporary needs.

https://metropolismag.com/projects/kevin-roche-union-carbide/

Clickbate-y title but some interesting stuff inside.

 

https://www.bloombergquint.com/gadfly/new-york-la-and-other-superstar-cities-aren-t-what-they-used-to-be