Posted February 1, 200619 yr Is it even a possibility for Columbus, Cincinnati, or Cleveland to host a Superbowl? If I had my choice, I would have to go with Cleveland mainly because of the strides the city has made over the years. Also, the entire state would benefit from a Superbowl in Cleveland as opposed to Cincinnati (IMHO). Cincinnati would have to share the benefits of a Superbowl with a tri-state region (Ohio, Indiana, and Northern Kentucky). I am wondering how willing these states would be towards working with the city during the preparations as opposed to merely reaping the financial benefits. Cincinnati is just in too strange of an area. I know that Columbus would be a long shot because the city is just not oriented towards professional sports.
February 1, 200619 yr Mark my word, no Ohio city will host the Super Bowl. The Super Bowl in a northern city is a rare occurance and if it happens it must be a domed stadium. Even St. Louis has a domed stadium and has never hosted one.
February 1, 200619 yr I understand the Olympics is a complicated endeavor, with tons of housing requirements and training facilities and all that, but really, what's involved in hosting the Super Bowl? I agree with Monte on the dome requirement (which is unfortunate), but really, say it's 10x the press as there is at the AFC Championship - great, so add a thousand or two thousand press folks to the mix. There are practice facilities already, press rooms, something like 45K seats - what else do you need?
February 1, 200619 yr well if I HAD to pick one, I would pick Cincy because its the most south. But yea, no city in Ohio will host a superbowl cuz its too cold here in january/february unless we get a domed stadium.
February 1, 200619 yr I remember there was talk of building a domed stadium before Cleveland Browns Stadium was built for this exact reason. It sucks that we won't get to host the Super Bowl; however, I am glad that they went with the open air stadium. Football is meant to be played in the elements; I hate the idea that the Super Bowl can only be played in a location that is dry, sunny, and 70+ degrees... Hell, they're playing for the championship, let em get a little dirty!!! (I know, it's more so for the fans paying the big bucks can be comfy, but still). I don't really know what requirements are looked at for hosting a Super Bowl besides playing conditions, so I can't really say which would be more likely; though I do beleive it would between Cincy or Cleveland since Columbus has no real ties to the NFL.
February 1, 200619 yr I don't think that have much in the way of requirements beside weather and/or a new or domed stadium, a2dak. Jacksonville got the Superbowl, for crissakes.
February 1, 200619 yr Cincinnati or Cleveland would equally be logical (perhaps Cincinnati moreso due to warmer weather and larger airport) but in general, neither will get it. That is, unless Youngstown builds a new mega-arena complete with chocolate bunnies and KJP statues... "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
February 1, 200619 yr I would say Cincy because like others have said it is the furthest south, it has a larger airport, Cincy put in a competitive bid for the 2012 Summer Olympics, and its more centrally located in the US than Cleveland. I'm not going to include Columbus in this conversation because they dont have an NFL team. Superbowl in Cincy 2010!!!!
February 1, 200619 yr three key requirements. Average temps (not average highs) in January/February must be 40 degrees or higher. Or some arbritrary number that ohio could never meet. Number of hotel rooms in the area, NFL minimum 17,500. Jacksonville was short, so they brough in floating hotels, i.e. cruiseships. (i'm assuming cin/cle would be fine on this one) New stadium: the nfl oligarchy likes to rewards holding cities hostages for new stadiums by giving them superbowls (i.e.: jacksonville, houston, detroit) (the numbers probably aren't exactly right, but you get the idea, and i'm too lazy to look that indepth)
February 1, 200619 yr New stadium: the nfl oligarchy likes to rewards holding cities hostages for new stadiums by giving them superbowls (i.e.: jacksonville, houston, detroit) What, Paul Brown & "New" Browns Stadium aren't new enough? They're more recent than Atlanta's dome, Joe Robbie (or whatever it's called now), and the Superdome (though, the next SB there will be for other reasons ;-)). The only thing preventing the Super Bowl from being in Ohio is climate. As much as everyone remembers the Ice Bowls (1 [GB, 1967], 2 [Cleve, 1981], 3 [Cincy, 1982]) or the various "snow bowls" over the years, The NFL wants the weather taken out of the equation in determining the winner on the field. Also consider this: I don't think it has ever preciped (rain, snow, ice) during a Super Bowl (when played outside). If NYC won't get a Super Bowl (without a dome), I don't see a bunch of other northern cities getting a Super Bowl either.
February 1, 200619 yr i didn't say your stadiums weren't new, i'm just saying that's the easiest way to get a game assuming you meet the other requirements (or a dome). Hell kansas city has been rewarded the superbowl in like 2009, if they have their dome up by then.
February 2, 200619 yr I nearly shed a tear when Paul Brown Stadium had to switch to fake grass, but then I remembered it was Cincinnati... What's that mean? I'm not trying to call you out or something, I'm just asking - I don't get the reference...
February 2, 200619 yr It's too bad the Superbowl isn't always held in the home stadium of one of the two teams playing in the bowl itself. I know this will never happen, but it would be cool to see.
February 2, 200619 yr I was refering to the history of fake grass in Nati. The old Riverfront stadium, the college football stadium, etc. Top right-hand corner (mouse over teams). Cincinnati is definitely not exclusive to astroturf... http://fieldturf.com/football/installations.cfm http://fieldturf.com/baseball/installations.cfm
February 2, 200619 yr and field turf is a million times better than old school astro-turf, having played extensively on both.
February 2, 200619 yr ^ I've never had the pleasure of playing on field turf. In high school, I was oh so lucky to be able to play a few games on astro turf. Turf burn is one thing you don't forget if you've experienced it... ouch!!
February 2, 200619 yr ^that is one of the most noteable differences of field turf, no more turf burn!
February 2, 200619 yr Just to get everyone a little back on track.....the question was which ohio city could hold a superbowl? Now I think we can all agree that a superbowl will never come to Ohio, but which city would hypothetically be the best fit?
February 2, 200619 yr No Ohio team would have ANY shot, unless Columbus builds a dome within the next 15 years.
February 2, 200619 yr i think that Cleveland would have a slight edge over Cincy. Cleveland probably has more hotel rooms, has direct train transit to the airport and has the Rock Hall. Now, I don't think that the Rock Hall is the greatest thing, but out of towners always mention it as a reason to visit Cleveland. Regarding airports: Cincy has a better airport, but Cleveland still is a hub for Continental.
February 2, 200619 yr No Ohio team would have ANY shot, unless Columbus builds a dome within the next 15 years. I agree that no Ohio city has a shot. But, they would never put it in Columbus unless that city was awarded a franchise.
February 2, 200619 yr i think that Cleveland would have a slight edge over Cincy. Cleveland probably has more hotel rooms, has direct train transit to the airport and has the Rock Hall. Now, I don't think that the Rock Hall is the greatest thing, but out of towners always mention it as a reason to visit Cleveland. Regarding airports: Cincy has a better airport, but Cleveland still is a hub for Continental. Cincy has Delta an a hub so the hub comment is a wash. I would like to see the numbers on how many hotels rooms are available in both metro's or in a certain mile radius from downtown.
February 2, 200619 yr Cleveland would be a better choice as its a larger consumer market, metro area and has more iof a domestic and international appeal. In addition, the first Monday Night Football game was played in Cleveland so we've got a bit of history on our side. and all the development in the core of the city along with its first rate/world class instituttions makes it hard to beat.
February 2, 200619 yr i think that Cleveland would have a slight edge over Cincy. Cleveland probably has more hotel rooms, has direct train transit to the airport and has the Rock Hall. Now, I don't think that the Rock Hall is the greatest thing, but out of towners always mention it as a reason to visit Cleveland. Regarding airports: Cincy has a better airport, but Cleveland still is a hub for Continental. Cincy has Delta an a hub so the hub comment is a wash. I would like to see the numbers on how many hotels rooms are available in both metro's or in a certain mile radius from downtown. Metro Cleveland has ~22,000 with around ~4,500 downtown.
February 2, 200619 yr i think that Cleveland would have a slight edge over Cincy. Cleveland probably has more hotel rooms, has direct train transit to the airport and has the Rock Hall. Now, I don't think that the Rock Hall is the greatest thing, but out of towners always mention it as a reason to visit Cleveland. Regarding airports: Cincy has a better airport, but Cleveland still is a hub for Continental. Cincy has Delta an a hub so the hub comment is a wash. I would like to see the numbers on how many hotels rooms are available in both metro's or in a certain mile radius from downtown. I think cincinnati was about 25k, but if you're talking a 45 mile radius. that would go up just a bit more.
February 2, 200619 yr Cleveland would be a better choice as its a larger consumer market, metro area and has more of a domestic and international appeal. and all the development in the core of the city along with its first rate/world class instituttions makes it hard to beat. Do you think that the NFL would even consider these factors? Why would you say there is a greater domestic and internation appeal to Cleveland? Just wondering, but it sure sounds like you are comparing cities, not their ability to host a super bowl.
February 2, 200619 yr "Maybe we could buy a really big blue tarp and some space heaters?" Ink, I was actually wondering if there is some way to engineer a "temporary dome" of some sort. Considering that the economic impact of a Superbowl is somewhere in the mid $100's of millions, it might be something to think about before people scoff.
February 2, 200619 yr Wow X, interesting thought. I don't see why something couldn't be rigged up. Cincinnati could invest the dollars to build a temporary dome and use it as a grand opening for the Banks and riverfront park in the 2010's. Monte, get on that!
February 2, 200619 yr if the NFL were ever to lift its cold weather ban you know the first two cities to host it would be chicago and NYC, then the other northern cities would get in line behind it (cincy,cleveland, pittsburg, seattle, denver, nashville, and the other with relatively new stadia)
February 2, 200619 yr you know Las Vegas will host the NBA all star game, so i guess it don't matter if your metro has a team or not.
February 2, 200619 yr I think cincinnati was about 25k, but if you're talking a 45 mile radius. that would go up just a bit more. You are guessing, I would like to see some hard numbers.
February 2, 200619 yr OK, I googled a couple of combinations and found this link. Looks like you are way off unusualfire unless you can prove me wrong. Seems Cincinnati couldn't handle the hotel room requirement. http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/02/17/loc_loc1abap.html A group that describes itself as the largest African-American religious organization in the nation is expected to announce today that it plans to bring a 25,000-delegate national convention to Cincinnati in 2008. The meeting at the Albert B. Sabin Cincinnati Convention Center would be the largest in Cincinnati in more than a decade, with an expected 18,000 hotel room-night bookings over five days. Lodgers would spill over from downtown's 3,500 rooms to hotels in Northern Kentucky and northern Hamilton County. According to Smith Travel Research, there are more than 8,000 hotel rooms in the region.
February 2, 200619 yr id say cleveland has the edge in these kinds of events due to the fact that rail connects from the airport to downtown and the rail it has from downtown to the waterfront attractions (including browns stadium). otherwise it could be a toss-up between cleveland and cincy
February 2, 200619 yr OK, I googled a couple of combinations and found this link. Looks like you are way off unusualfire unless you can prove me wrong. Seems Cincinnati couldn't handle the hotel room requirement. http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/02/17/loc_loc1abap.html A group that describes itself as the largest African-American religious organization in the nation is expected to announce today that it plans to bring a 25,000-delegate national convention to Cincinnati in 2008. The meeting at the Albert B. Sabin Cincinnati Convention Center would be the largest in Cincinnati in more than a decade, with an expected 18,000 hotel room-night bookings over five days. Lodgers would spill over from downtown's 3,500 rooms to hotels in Northern Kentucky and northern Hamilton County. According to Smith Travel Research, there are more than 8,000 hotel rooms in the region. That is incorrect as well. Downtown Cincinnati does have 3,500 hotel rooms yet the northern suburbs ALONE have 5,000. http://www.cincyusa.com/planners/cinnorth.asp?sec=mp&cat=north Northern Kentucky has 7,157 hotel rooms http://www.staynky.com/pressroom/statistics.php That does not include eastern Cincinnati suburbs, western Cincinnati suburbs, inner-city hotels in north-central city, southeast Indiana casinos (Argosy, Grand Victoria, or Belterra), or even the Dayton market. So I'm willing to bet that there are over 20,000+ hotel rooms in the Cincinnati-Dayton area. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
February 2, 200619 yr I'm not sure about the hotel room requirements but I do know that Detroit factored in the Flint , Windsor and Toledo rooms in their bid. I believe this was done since the Detroit number made it only if you included the proposed casino/hotels. The hotel/casinos have still not been built but as I mentioned on another thread, so far rooms have not been as hard to find as officials predicted. Obviously, you need a domed stadium. A new one will really help. You need domed practice facilities - at least if you are in a Northern market. Here's where the old Silverdome has come in handy. The Steelers are practicing there. Roads and transit factor in as well. You also need an adequate location for the NFL Experience which is quite large. I am not sure the exact size of it but I think its at least several hundred thousand square feet. This takes a large convention center. I do not know the size of Cincy's convention center, but I'm betting Cleveland's wouldn't cut it. A great host committee and presentation is also essential. Cleveland would be the best choice given its proximity to other large cities, its the largest market, isn't far from the Football Hall and is pretty well known for its arts and culture. The downside for it, would be the lack of a convention center. Even if the NFL Experience isn't as large as I think, Cleveland's center would be inadequate for this type of event. It wouldn't cut it at least in my opinion.
February 2, 200619 yr A). They don't care about market size (look at Jacksonville) B). They generally don't care about airport access either (re: Houston, Jax, Detroit, etc) C). They generally don't care about proximity (re: Jax, Houston, Phoenix, etc) D). They want money, bottom line. Hotel rooms, dome, etc. E). They either want "nice" weather or a dome. It is highly likely that Indianapolis would be Ohio's closest chance to the Superbowl (besides Detroit). Or, again, if Youngstown decides to build chocolate bunnies and KJP statues... "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
February 2, 200619 yr I thought I posted earlier, but I guess not. I give the bid to Cincinnati, exp. if "The Banks" gets started. Now, why hasn't Cincinnati got MLB All-Star game? New stadium here MLB!
February 2, 200619 yr I thought I posted earlier, but I guess not. I give the bid to Cincinnati, exp. if "The Banks" gets started. Now, why hasn't Cincinnati got MLB All-Star game? New stadium here MLB! Monte moved your question to another thread.
February 2, 200619 yr I think cincinnati was about 25k, but if you're talking a 45 mile radius. that would go up just a bit more. You are guessing, I would like to see some hard numbers. http://www.cincyusa.com/planners/cincyfirst.asp?sec=mp
February 3, 200619 yr E). They either want "nice" weather or a dome. It is highly likely that Indianapolis would be Ohio's closest chance to the Superbowl (besides Detroit). Or, again, if Youngstown decides to build chocolate bunnies and KJP statues... if indy gets a new stadium i think the earliest they could host it is 2009. anywho, I don't believe flint was a factor in detroit's number b/c of distance. Toledo absolutely is not, that's just rediculous. (not that its toledo, just that its more than 55 miles from one downtown to another. Detroit (i.e. suburbs) had enough hotel rooms way back in 2000 when ford field was constructed, and the metro area (sans flint) had more than enough. This is a metro of 4.5 million (sans flint) after all.
February 3, 200619 yr http://www.cincyusa.com/planners/cincyfirst.asp?sec=mp Thank you, I would be interested to know what "community-wide" means. I am sure I could find out with a phone call. Cincinnati Hotel Rooms * 23,650 rooms community-wide
February 3, 200619 yr http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:SEzUvLhzvtoJ:www.detnews.com/2004/lifestyle/0405/09/a02-147095.htm+toledo+%2B+flint+%2B+%22super+bowl+bid%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=safari Here is an old cached page off of Google from the Detroit News. Hopefully, it will work on here, but to summarize, it states the NFL wanted 17,500 rooms in its bid. Detroit sent a list of 19,000 contracted rooms that did include Flint and Toledo. This is in a quote from the executive director of the Host Committee, Susan Sherer. http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:3Dw3AnvrH9MJ:info.detnews.com/dn/2005/metro/0507/20/B01-253597.htm+toledo+%2B+flint+%2B+%22super+bowl%22+%2B+%22hotel+rooms%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2&client=safari Here is another cached article from The Detroit News. Quoting the article ... Michele Lewis, vice president of events for the Detroit Super Bowl Host Committee, said the committee, as far as the NFL is concerned, met its obligations by reserving 17,500 rooms that are within 60 miles of Ford Field and are three-star or above, including 1,000 rooms in Toledo, 1,000 in Ann Arbor and 1,000 in Windsor. Another 20,000 rooms are available in places like Flint, Port Huron and Sarnia. So, we have to include only 3 star or more hotels so that narrows things down considerably for instance, when debating whether Cincy has enough rooms to even qualify for a bid. Living in Detroit at the time, I remember that was one of the biggest concerns for the committee. The local Super 8, Motel 6 and Econo Lodge don't count at all towards your room count.
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