maybe there using their limited resources in other areas than building a website

^Here's the problem with that - to any business or organization, your web site is your calling card. The care and attention given to it reflect a lot about the group in question. It would be like me (as a graphic designer) not having a proper portfolio. A web site is so often the first point of contact for any organization.

 

Not having, or having an ineffectual site:

 

1. Prevents anyone from being able to pass along the site's address for contact purposes.

2. Suggests to the outside world that the group is incapable of embracing technology.

3. Not having an email address for contact suggests that they are unwelcoming.

4. Shows a lack of interest in providing resources for those unaffiliated with the group.

 

I know that they are getting ready to launch their revised site but the interim "caretaking" leaves a lot to be desired. I know all too well that it's not easy to put a site together, but as Vulpster said - other groups with less resources have managed to put something together.

 

^^ In my opinion, nearly every public or public-focused entity should have a blog or web site or something. The Internet age demands communication. Maybe back in the 1940s people trusted people to "get it done" but now people view themselves as stakeholders in these things, and that's not a bad thing.

Hey, I'm just happy they got their domain name back from the squatters.. Baby steps.

 

Now if only they could provide safe passage down Euclid to pedestrians through the various haphazard construction zones..

Or get the panhandlers off East 9th... mind you none were overly aggressive but after a while I was getting *this* close to getting sassy... :whip:

 

Southbound to get lunch:

1. Northwest corner of East 9th and St. Clair (Penton Media building)

2. In front of IMG Center (between Theresa Court and St. Clair)

3. In front of CVS (north of Rockwell)

4. Northwest corner of East 9th and Superior (Hampton Inn)

5. Southwest corner of East 9th and Superior (KeyBank Center aka 800 Superior)

6. In front of Euclid-9th Tower (south of Euclid)

 

Northbound to go back to work:

1. Northwest corner of Vincent and East 9th (KeyBank Center's garage)

2. Northwest corner of East 9th and Superior (Hampton Inn) - Repeat offender

3. In front of CVS (north of Rockwell) - Repeat offender

4. Northwest corner of East 9th and St. Clair (Penton Media building) - same place, different offender

5. Northwest corner of East 9th and St. Clair (RTA bus shelter).

 

Now, wouldn't it be great if DCA had a proper web site where people could report "hot spots" to give a heads-up to their Ambassadors? I mean, they're great at sweeping up litter from the grounds of the Board of Education building but given a choice I think most people would rather deal with a discarded newspaper than the twits I had to deal with today.

I believe the guy in front of the cvs is one of the "doormen"  that expect a tip for opening the door. 

I was getting *this* close to getting sassy... :whip:

 

You Sassy??  whodathunkit??

since CPP can't keep the lights on on Euclid, i like how corner alley took it upon themselves to install 4 lights on their building.  it is the brighest section of euclid.

seriously, what's the deal with that?  It was happening far before ECTP construction on both Euclid and the recently redone Prospect Avenue.  No excuse for that in my book!

 

I had a similar, panhandler-ridden lunchtime walk up Euclid the other day.  From Tower City to E. 17th, I was solicited no less than 4 times.  Two people asked for directions and then asked for money.  I know they (DCA) wants to address this, but unless anyone's breaking the law, what can they do?  It's not in their mission to solve the poverty and homelessness problem, but one of their task forces after last year's kickoff was to address these issues.  Not sure if they came to any conclusions on what could be done...

"I know they (DCA) wants to address this, but unless anyone's breaking the law, what can they do?"

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but panhandling within so many of feet of a bus stop/ATM/you name it supposedly IS breaking the law. Again - if the Ambassadors could do as good of a job with panhandlers as they do sweeping the grounds of the Board of Education building (every single day), I might actually change my tune!

If they're breaking the law, then yes, there should be action by the DCA and CPD.  I don't think any of the times I was approached actually met those criteria.

it seems that the CPD has upped the downtown patrolling for the NCAA final four.  i have seen more police driving, directing traffic, on horse, in the pas few days than i have seen in the past 3 months downtown.  it is a nice, and for me, noticeable change. 

 

now, if we could get the construction crews (or DCA) to hose down their dirt and sidewalks or at least cover exposed areas, that would be great.  euclid has been a dust bowl.  it may work on e79 since the wind isn't as concentrated, but you can't just leave piles of dirt near e9 and euclid and not expect a dust storm to erupt.

Ultimately the only thing that will stop panhandling is when people know better than to give them money.

Someone who was working on a Kansas City development project told me that in KC they actually pick up pan handlers and take them to shelters, and apparently if you aren't a resident of the city they put you on a bus back to your hometown..

 

A little creepy if you ask me, and doesn't even seem legal.. but that's what I was told. I've never pan handeled in Kansas City, anyway, so I can't speak to it past that.

If it's legal I'd be all for that.

Someone who was working on a Kansas City development project told me that in KC they actually pick up pan handlers and take them to shelters, and apparently if you aren't a resident of the city they put you on a bus back to your hometown..

 

A little creepy if you ask me, and doesn't even seem legal.. but that's what I was told. I've never pan handeled in Kansas City, anyway, so I can't speak to it past that.

 

they've done that here in Cleveland before, in the late 80s/early 90s they would put people on Greyhound with one-way tickets to warm weather cities.  Boston, Philly, DC also do the same thing and at one point the Fed. Gov. step in and stated that was illegal.  I don't remember all the specifics or how the fed got involved (I think via 60 Minutes) but once they did it came to light that lots of cities were sending their homeless to warm weather climates, its just that Philly, Boston, Milwaukee and a few other places were doing something that was illegal and raised civil liberties issues.  I just remember Philly being really really bad in the way they handled their homeless.

Why doesn't the DCA, Warehouse District, Gateway, and maybe Flats Ox-bow merge? I just really want to see the same type of organization for downtown as University Circle has, but I just don't see one.

Because then maybe they'd be more accountable for their lack of tangible accomplishments?

 

Ahhh sorry.. That was a low blow.. I just had such high hopes for DCA!!

 

 

Someone who was working on a Kansas City development project told me that in KC they actually pick up pan handlers and take them to shelters, and apparently if you aren't a resident of the city they put you on a bus back to your hometown..

 

A little creepy if you ask me, and doesn't even seem legal.. but that's what I was told. I've never pan handeled in Kansas City, anyway, so I can't speak to it past that.

 

they've done that here in Cleveland before, in the late 80s/early 90s they would put people on Greyhound with one-way tickets to warm weather cities.  Boston, Philly, DC also do the same thing and at one point the Fed. Gov. step in and stated that was illegal.  I don't remember all the specifics or how the fed got involved (I think via 60 Minutes) but once they did it came to light that lots of cities were sending their homeless to warm weather climates, its just that Philly, Boston, Milwaukee and a few other places were doing something that was illegal and raised civil liberties issues.  I just remember Philly being really really bad in the way they handled their homeless.

 

Ah, the good Ol' White Administration days.

Brings a tear to my eye when I think of it.

 

 

 

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 

 

 

I spoke with Joe M. from DCA yesterday. The reason there had been no furthering of their cause stemmed from lack of funding. That is, they were waiting on several grant applications that have finally been funded over the past week or so. He says we should all be hearing/seeing more action soon.

For those of us that served in one of the committees (there are several forumers on them) we should be getting some calls soon to complete the planning we did last year.

 

I hope the new funding helps them update the website.

*re-igniting my high hopes*

Here's something I've never understood: if you want to sell product or solicit in a public area you have to get a permit don't you?  Like they hot dog vendors and Browns day sportware vendors and such, they have a permit to be at that location hawking their wares, or if you want to even play your saxophone and ask for tips, you probably have to get permission from the city I assume?  Am I wrong about that?  So how can it be legal for someone to stand on a corner and ask people for money?  I'm just curious.  Is it legal, or is it actually illegal but we choose not to enforce it?

DCA's new website will go on line April 2.

Here's something I've never understood: if you want to sell product or solicit in a public area you have to get a permit don't you?  Like they hot dog vendors and Browns day sportware vendors and such, they have a permit to be at that location hawking their wares, or if you want to even play your saxophone and ask for tips, you probably have to get permission from the city I assume?  Am I wrong about that?  So how can it be legal for someone to stand on a corner and ask people for money?  I'm just curious.  Is it legal, or is it actually illegal but we choose not to enforce it?

 

I know there was a law that passed 1 year to 2 years ago that outlawed panhandling within x feet of an atm machine and I think one other place. If people are panhandling near the atms I guess we're (CPD) not enforcing the law.

here is the text of the pan handling law.  it can be found online at:

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/clevelandcodes/cco_part6_605.html

 

605.031     Aggressive Solicitation

(a) For purpose of this section:

(1) “Aggressive manner” means as follows:

A. Approaching, seeking or following a person before, during, or after solicitation if that conduct is intended, or likely to cause, a reasonable person to (i) fear bodily harm to oneself or another, (ii) fear damage to or loss of property, or (iii) be intimidated;

B. Intentionally or recklessly touching or causing physical contact with another person without that person's consent in the course of soliciting if the touching or physical conduct is likely to cause a reasonable person to feel restrained or intimidated;

C. Continuing to solicit from a person after the person has given a negative response;

D. Intentionally or recklessly blocking the safe or free passage of a person or vehicle by any means, including unreasonably causing a pedestrian or vehicle operator to take evasive action to avoid physical contact. Acts authorized by a lawfully issued permit shall not constitute obstruction of pedestrian traffic for purposes of this section; or

E. Intentionally or recklessly using obscene, abusive, or threatening language, or gestures, toward a person being solicited.

(2) “Automated-teller machine” means a device, linked to a financial institution's account records, that is able to carry out transactions, including, but not limited to account transfers, deposits, cash withdrawals, balance inquiries, and mortgage and loan payments.

 

(3) “Automated-teller machine facility” means the area comprised of one or more automated-teller machines, and any adjacent space that is made available to banking customers.

 

(4) “Public property” means all property owned, operated or controlled by any governmental agency, including but not limited to streets, public sidewalks, tree lawns, parks, playgrounds, publicly-owned parking lots, schools, libraries, post offices, municipal transit facilities and other public lands and buildings.

 

(5) “Solicit” or “soliciting” means to request an immediate donation of money or other thing of value from another person, regardless of the solicitor's purpose or intended use of the money or other thing of value. The solicitation may be, without limitation, by the spoken, written, or printed word, by gesture or by other means of communication.

 

(b) No person shall solicit:

 

(1) In an aggressive manner;

 

(2) Within twenty feet of any automated-teller machine without the consent of the owner or other person legally in possession of the machine, provided, however, that when an automated-teller machine is located within an automated-teller machine facility, the distance shall be measured from the entrance or exit of the automated-teller machine facility;

 

(3) Within twenty feet of a bus stop, rapid-transit shelter, or bus shelter;

 

(4) Within twenty feet of a line of pedestrians waiting to obtain access to a building or event;

 

(5) Within twenty feet of the area of the sidewalk used by an outdoor restaurant under a temporary public right-of-way occupancy permit issued under Chapter 513 of the Codified Ordinances or by a vendor under a permit issued under Chapter 508, Section 675.06, or Section 675.07 of the Codified Ordinances;

 

(6) Within twenty feet of a valet zone established under Section 451.33 of the Codified Ordinances;

 

(7) Within fifteen feet of any pay telephone, provided, however, that when a pay telephone is located within a telephone booth or other facility, the distance shall be measured from the entrance or exit of the telephone booth or facility;

 

( 8 ) Within fifteen feet of the entrance or exit of any public toilet facility;

 

(9) On public property within ten feet of an entrance to a building; or

 

(10) On public property within ten feet of an entrance to a parking lot.

 

© Whoever violates division (b)(1) of this section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the fourth degree for a first offense, a misdemeanor of the third degree for a second offense, and a misdemeanor of the first degree for a third and subsequent offense. Whoever violates any provision in division (b)(2) through (b)(10) of this section shall be guilty of a minor misdemeanor for a first offense, and a misdemeanor of the fourth degree for a second and subsequent offense. A separate offense shall be deemed committed each day during or on which an offense occurs or continues.

 

Seems like a fairly reasonable law to me, but perhaps over-reaching a bit.. I mean "Continuing to solicit from a person after the person has given a negative response" constitutes aggressive behavior? Thpt.. Persistent maybe, but that doesn't constitute aggressive in and of itself. Unless it is supposed to be taken collectively with the other lettered items.

 

 

But - are we saying that outside of those parameters, it is okay to ask for money, but it is NOT okay to stand in the same spot and ask for money in exchange for some T-shirts you had printed up?  Or a book of poems you wrote?  Or sexual favors?  Okay, maybe not THAT, but you know what I mean.  You need a permit to make an agreeable exchange of goods for money, but if you have absolutely nothng to offer other than a sad story and/or a dollop of guilt, it's fine as long as you're not "aggressive" or within 10 steps of certain places.

The law is reasonable, but almost unenforcable.  Who will report violations?  Are the police really going to bother to make those arrests?  Are we going to clog our courts and jails with panhandlers?  Collect fines from them? 

 

The real solution is going to be in educating downtown residents, workers and visitors of why it is not a good idea to give panhandlers money and of better ways to help those in need.  This is something the DCA should be working on.

I think just having police around to stop the most aggressive ones would help a lot.

The real solution is going to be in educating downtown residents, workers and visitors of why it is not a good idea to give panhandlers money and of better ways to help those in need.  This is something the DCA should be working on.

 

One good sucker punch to the throat, will stop a pan handler!

 

However, it's the idiots that give them money or food, without realizing that these people are like cats and will continue to return to places they know they get some moeny.  Those same should be directing them to social services.

the DCA ambassadors were out in full force tonight...at east 4th and prospect there were 3 when i went to dinner (one was openly reading a book, until i took a picture, which i will post later, then appearing embarrassed he put the book away) and after dinner, there were 4 at the same corner.  when i asked them why they needed 4 people at the same corner they seemed confused and said they were told to be there to patrol for the homeless/panhandlers.  when i asked why they didn't intervene for the panhandler in front of lola, they looked confused.  what panhandler?  well, when you are socializing instead of working, you might miss a few of those very things you are supposed to be looking for.

 

come on cleveland.  there needs to be some accountability.  downtown property owners are paying for this assessment, there can't be this total lack of accountability for patroling, helping the homeless, cleaning the streets, etc.  this is a very visable component to downtown, so 4 people sitting/standing around is very noticeable.

 

as 1 year approaches, i'm happy with a lot of the activities of the ambassadors, but i think many of them have developed a very complacent attitude toward serving the city (and ultimately the property owners who are paying the increased assessments).  my only guess is that this mentality is coming from the lack of leadership setting expectations and demanding accountability in daily interactions with the public.  what does 3 million get you these days?

The cleaners are usually doing work, when you can find them.  The Ambassadors I have yet to see do anything useful.  Most of them spent their time hanging out in the arcades when it was cold.  Now that it is warm they hang out on the street.  The amount of useful activity doesn't seemed to have changed, however.

Also, I am irritated at all the money they have put into motorized crap, when the people with the cans and brooms seemed to be more efficient at getting the trash off of the street.

I'm also bothered by the ambassadors being on motorized equipment. It makes it more difficult for people to approach them to ask questions or even to exchange friendly greetings.

here are the photos of the Ambassadors "at work" from last night. 

 

Picture is a little dark, but standing with a book, reading.  It is certainly possible that they were on break or something, but the appearance is not good.  and the book was quickly put away after the photo was taken.

 

Here are 4 standing around, while pan handlers and tourists were at other areas around the arena (e4 and euclid, e9 and prospect, prospect and ontario).  there should be some kind of internal rule that there are never more than 2 ambassadors or cleaners together.  it turns into a big social fest, while nothing is getting done.  on other nights i have seen 3 traveling together around the warehouse district.  that seems extreme, and limits the coverage area.

 

 

I'm not sure what they are getting paid or what the turnover is, but it seemed the first group that started last year was extremely friendly and diligent.  as the year went on, they became less friendly, weren't stopping and talking to the homeless/panhandlers, don't look you in the eye when you pass, half the time talking on a cell phone, etc.

 

If they are functioning how the DCA promised, they should be all smiles, asking people if they need help.  as is, they seem more like glorified rent-a-cops who station themselves as a deterrent at some key areas (warehouse, public square, theater, e4), but don't actually reach out and proactively help.

U  know it is disheartening to know that we have nothing better to do than to follow our ambassadors around and take pictures , now I know some of the attitudes of the ambassadors have changed but so has the community a lot of times when ambassadors speak to pedestrians or the homeless they receive no response the service of the ambassadors is to patrol the district and there are certain areas that receive higher attention such as the E 4th area do to the fact the property owners complained that it didn't receive enough attention u know what I find that it seems to me that there is no pleasing people when the program first started the ambassadors received flak from the city from doing there jobs and now that may be a few might have slacked off they receive flak from not doing enough when they are called to certain areas to patrol heavily pictures pop up of them focusing on an area now I do agree reading a book in public is and should not be tolerated , but it's funny there are no pictures of ambassadors doing a good job and I for one have noticed the change in downtown since the ambassadors have come on the scene keep up the good work ambassadors

here are the photos of the Ambassadors "at work" from last night. 

 

Picture is a little dark, but standing with a book, reading.  It is certainly possible that they were on break or something, but the appearance is not good.  and the book was quickly put away after the photo was taken.

 

Here are 4 standing around, while pan handlers and tourists were at other areas around the arena (e4 and euclid, e9 and prospect, prospect and ontario).  there should be some kind of internal rule that there are never more than 2 ambassadors or cleaners together.  it turns into a big social fest, while nothing is getting done.  on other nights i have seen 3 traveling together around the warehouse district.  that seems extreme, and limits the coverage area.

 

 

I'm not sure what they are getting paid or what the turnover is, but it seemed the first group that started last year was extremely friendly and diligent.  as the year went on, they became less friendly, weren't stopping and talking to the homeless/panhandlers, don't look you in the eye when you pass, half the time talking on a cell phone, etc.

 

If they are functioning how the DCA promised, they should be all smiles, asking people if they need help.  as is, they seem more like glorified rent-a-cops who station themselves as a deterrent at some key areas (warehouse, public square, theater, e4), but don't actually reach out and proactively help.

 

I hope you're sending a note to the DCA, the mayor's office, ciperman and East 4/WHD CDC.

 

They need to be reminded that we want what was outlined when the program was rolled out and expect more than book readers and that as an active citizen, Clevelanders, residents of downtown and visitors will hold them accountable.

U  know it is disheartening to know that we have nothing better to do than to follow our ambassadors around and take pictures , now I know some of the attitudes of the ambassadors have changed but so has the community a lot of times when ambassadors speak to pedestrians or the homeless they receive no response the service of the ambassadors is to patrol the district and there are certain areas that receive higher attention such as the E 4th area do to the fact the property owners complained that it didn't receive enough attention u know what I find that it seems to me that there is no pleasing people when the program first started the ambassadors received flak from the city from doing there jobs and now that may be a few might have slacked off they receive flak from not doing enough when they are called to certain areas to patrol heavily pictures pop up of them focusing on an area now I do agree reading a book in public is and should not be tolerated , but it's funny there are no pictures of ambassadors doing a good job and I for one have noticed the change in downtown since the ambassadors have come on the scene keep up the good work ambassadors

 

welcome to the forum, without attacking you, it seems "odd" that all of a sudden you have appeared once we started discussion.  We here at UrbanOhio are all about IMPROVING the quality of life in our cities.

 

The ambassador was clearly not helping people.  Could he have been on break?  if not where was a supervisor to interface with the picture taker and the ambassador. 

 

There are many variables in this situation how do you plan on helping improve the situation?

but it's funny there are no pictures of ambassadors doing a good job and I for one have noticed the change in downtown since the ambassadors have come on the scene keep up the good work ambassadors

 

I posted a picture a while back of them doing work..

to be clear, i posted in my original post that "i'm happy with a lot of the activities of the ambassadors" and i have posted in the past about the positive activities.

 

i didn't place blame on the ambassadors themselves, but suggested that there must be a lack of leadership that would allow the general slide in attutide as well as it getting to the point where 1 ambassador would be reading a book while 2 others were next to them.   

 

If there is good morale and good leadership and accountability, the ambassador doesn't even think about reading a book on duty in public, the other ambassadors would suggest that they not read a book (or distance themselves), and finally the commander on duty would be establishing the ultimate attitude and what was acceptable. 

 

i think this is one of the most important positions downtown, and that many positives have come from the program.  at the same time, i pay part of this assessment and i don't expect to see the people that i am indirectly paying to be reading books on a busy corner.  these positions should be filled with the most outgoing and pro-cleveland people that the DCA can find.   hopefully the long awaited launch of the DCA website will give more clarity to all of the good work that is being done. 

 

if the ambassadors don't "believe in cleveland" how are we to expect our residents and vistors to believe?

Thank you for not attacking me your right I am new to this discussion  I completely understand your frustration I to would be frustrated if I was paying someone to read a book my question is why wasn't the ambassador approached regarding this matter and given the opportunity to explain him self but your right a reading a book in public should;t be tolerated but as far as leadership the leadership is strong and the ambassadors do "believe in Cleveland" there is one supervisor to five districts with 3 to four ambassadors per district my idea is that there may be a need for an asst supervisor or better accountability for the ambassadors what I don't know because the job is about customer service and interacting  with the public but if the ambassadors feel they are being baby sat or have to look over their shoulders it takes away from the interaction with the public ...my thing is what is the positive way to handle this ...a lot of the ambassadors that are working with the DCA have been here since the beginning or soon after the ambassadors have been dealing with the cold , verbal and physical threats and acts but they do their job because the love it I am not saying it's not appreciated by you it's just dishearting not just on your part but also on the ambassadors part too 

I don't think anyone here is going after the average worker. What they are doing is hard and much-needed. However, I do wonder about the leadership of the entity. I sent an e-mail like eight monthes ago to the DCA asking if they needed any volunteers and no one responded to my query (this is actually a surprising trend. I also have contacted other entities that keep telling us we need to help out and then when I say I want to help, they don't know where I can go to do anything. It's like they're so focused on the idea of getting people motivated to care they don't have an idea for what to do when you get someone who cares)

 

My one question is about the role of an ambassador. Is it really a good idea to give them "law-enforcement" responsibilities like going after vagrants and providing quasi security? To me, it'd be better if we had volunteer police officers like in NYC where they have more serious-looking uniforms and direct communication with law enforcement in case of emergencies. Ambassadors, it seems to me, serve a different sort of function.

 

Maybe that's something the DCA should address. I don't know what an ambassador is supposed to do...

This sounds like a good idea, did anyone know about this previously?

 

DCA Safety Ambassador Escort Program

 

If you ever feel unsafe leaving work, a club, or restaurant call 216.621.6000, and request an Ambassador escort.  They will arrive shortly to walk you to your car or home.  (Please call slightly ahead as it may take up to twenty minutes for them to meet you.)

 

Since April of 2006, the Downtown Cleveland Alliance (DCA) has provided a Safety Ambassador program for Downtown Cleveland.  40 Clean and Safe Ambassadors, dressed in gold and blue uniforms, patrol downtown day and night.  Since some residents have not heard about the Safety Escort program, we are helping to spread the word.  Please tell your neighbors about this excellent safety service. 

 

If you have any other questions about the Safety Ambassadors, please call 216.621.6000. 

 

Other Safety Information:

 

For emergencies, dial 911.

 

For non-emergency police, call 216.621.1234.     

 

 

 

Sincerely,

 

Kelly Lozan

 

Project Assistant

 

Historic Gateway Neighborhood Corporation

 

 

As 3231 said earlier, the new webpage is up today.. http://downtownclevelandalliance.com/

The DCA site looks good - took a while to get there, but I approve :-)

 

goodjobambassadors, I understand your frustration when you see one of your own being criticized for not doing their job. I think most of us are thankful for the Ambassador program and we've noticed a definite improvement in many areas. The "Clean" group is certainly doing their job - having worked downtown for the past ten years, the improvement is remarkable. However, no one is above sincere criticism and as you said, there has to be some level of accountability. I don't think anyone here would want to see an Ambassador lose their job, but if they're slacking off - sorry, they need a reprimand just like anyone else.

 

One reason that the Downtown Cleveland Alliance got flak was because there really was no way to contact them. Now that the web site is up and running, people can direct their concerns to someone rather than venting at whoever, or an Ambassador that they encounter. 

 

That said, please keep up the good work!

According to this PDF they interceded in 300 instances of aggressive panhandling and 2,000 instances of "passive" panhandling. It would be interesting to see if they respond to calls made to that number posted by jmc8651 regarding panhandling.

much better site, but it sucks that MayDay isn't a contributing photographer.  You're pictures capture the true essence of Cleveland!  Bad DCA!

I think they did a good job, so I'm not complaining. :-)

Can we have a group from UrbanOhio become off the record ambassadors...perhaps those who respond only to a bright shinny light in the sky with the symbol "UO"?  They take care of business and clean up the streets without all the messy paper work.  Sounds like a fun job!  Anyone interested?  Meet me at Public Square at midnight  :shoot:  Elliot Ness would be proud.

I agree, the site looks good. Anything is MUCH better than the old one.

 

However...I am a bit disappointed in the depth of the site. It seemed like they were building this site for a year, and it doesn't seem to have much to it. I agree with MyTwoSense....more and better photography is needed! MayDay, MayDay, MayDay... :clap:

 

Brewed Fresh had something on Pittsburgh posting a crappy video the other day http://brewedfreshdaily.com/index.php?s=Pittsburgh+video. While the video sucks....Pittsburgh's site doesn't! http://www.downtownpittsburgh.com. One look, and i get the feeling stuff is happening in Pittsburgh.....shouldn't the DCA have at least looked at Pittsburgh's site and then built a better one? I mean...it's only our main rival city!

 

I guess i expected more after all that time 

I think they did a good job, so I'm not complaining. :-)

 

Can I just give you a complaint without any lip?  Geeeezzzz  :roll: