July 9, 20213 yr 9 minutes ago, Cincy513 said: We're coming off a global pandemic..... see I was thinking that to, but recently drove up to Columbus and there were cranes everywhere..don’t even get me started about Nashville. I was going to blame this on the construction labor shortages, rising cost of lumber and other construction materials, etc…but this hasn’t really slowed down construction projects in other cities…
July 9, 20213 yr 1 minute ago, ucnum1 said: There is still what a few hundred million getting close to starting construction in OTR late summer fall? Liberty Elm,Wilkomen 2 and Market Square 3 is about 170 mil.Add in another 30 million in otr development in ohio historic tax credits last round. yeah otr is doing fine. the CBD on the other hand has sparse project after sparse project. it wouldn’t be so bad if there were few and far between surface lots to develop..but cbd is ripe for condo/apartment towers that you constantly see built in Nashville and Columbus and other booming cities..here in Cincinnati it’s very much difficult to see movement on big projects like this.
July 9, 20213 yr We are taking longer to come back than Columbus but a lot of on-hold projects will come back to life. Behind the scenes we have a new potential tallest building with W&S, a new convention center hotel and a few other yet to be announced developments that are going to get going. The third tallest building in the city is (hopefully) going to be converted to apartments, there are huge new apartment buildings around downtown from the Artistry, to the Mt. Auburn project on Bigelow to the two big buildings in Covington (JR Green and RiverHaus). I think part of the issue is that Columbus is flat and easy to see all the development driving around town. The other issue has been discussed before, but renovation isn't as obvious as construction cranes, but we have some big buildings around town being renovated and/or converted to residential that again you can drive right by and not realize what's happening or the money being invested. Also just because we aren't growing as fast as state capitals like Austin, Nashville, Columbus or Indianapolis doesn't mean we aren't growing. Take a deep breath haha.
July 9, 20213 yr Yeah we've been over this time and time again. Look at the dollars spent, not the number of cranes. We have a large amount of rehabs ongoing across the basin, those are low-hanging fruit, and it isn't necessarily that visible. And CBD will get its large projects. The Banks has an office tower coming, W&S tower, convention center hotel, residential rehabs from former office buildings. I don't know how the dollars compare to other cities, but I think we're doing just fine. Check out the Cincinnati Crane Watch for the projects in the area: CBC Library Link
July 9, 20213 yr There is a lot of money being invested in the urban core that isn't so obvious because it's not a massive new tower. Look at the pace that older buildings are being bought up and rehabbed in northern OTR, Prospect Hill, Mt. Auburn, Bellevue, Newport, and Covington. That's tens of millions of dollars, perhaps hundreds of millions, being invested by individual homeowners and small property developers. Lots of big projects are happening in Covington, Newport, and Uptown as well. Industry, Willkommen, 4th and Race, and Artistry will open soon, adding hundreds of new residents to Cincinnati's core. In the next wave, we will see Liberty & Elm, several large projects around Findlay Market, several projects on Vine north of Liberty, the Convention Center expansion, new Convention Center hotel, Gwynne Building redevelopment, City Club Phase 2, and maybe the 180 Walnut office tower.
July 9, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, Troeros2 said: yeah otr is doing fine. the CBD on the other hand has sparse project after sparse project. it wouldn’t be so bad if there were few and far between surface lots to develop..but cbd is ripe for condo/apartment towers that you constantly see built in Nashville and Columbus and other booming cities..here in Cincinnati it’s very much difficult to see movement on big projects like this. I don't forsee a huge building boom until Cincy adds to its population growth numbers. I think the projects we see are mostly movements within the metro itself.
July 10, 20213 yr Big news for St. Bernard - Up to 200 units of new apartments and townhouses in the works for the business district. Taken from the St. Bernard newsletter: The St. Bernard Community Improvement Corporation recently signed a pre-development agreement for a joint venture with Regnum Capital Partners and Civitas Development Corporation for a $32,000,000 mixed-use development at the current St. Bernard Square Shopping Center that will include up to 200 residential units consisting of townhouses, an apartment building, walkups, and 5,000 square feet of retail space. This project also includes the capital advisory expertise of Stacksource Inc. and the local architect/engineer/planning firm GBBN, who has extensive experience in mixed-use projects. There will be various community engagement opportunities through this process, and we encourage you to get involved. Source: https://mailchi.mp/276880f1938c/september-2019-newsletter-5981246?e=[UNIQID]
July 21, 20213 yr The old building at 6219 Wooster Pike (which I believe was originally a Cincinnati Bell property) has been demolished. The property changed hands in 2019. Owner's LLC is registered by Scott Davis, who might be the same Scott Davis associated with The Loring Group. Or maybe just a coincidental shared name. Anybody know what the plans are for this site? The property is quite large (nearly one acre) and extends all the way back to the creek that runs from Dogwood Park. Street View Auditor Summary
July 21, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, jwulsin said: The old building at 6219 Wooster Pike (which I believe was originally a Cincinnati Bell property) has been demolished. The property changed hands in 2019. Owner's LLC is registered by Scott Davis, who might be the same Scott Davis associated with The Loring Group. Or maybe just a coincidental shared name. Anybody know what the plans are for this site? The property is quite large (nearly one acre) and extends all the way back to the creek that runs from Dogwood Park. Street View Auditor Summary Townhomes, source: Fairfax newsletter
July 21, 20213 yr ^ 6001 Wooster Pike was demolished recently as well. For sale sign posted up this week.
July 21, 20213 yr 2 hours ago, Dev said: ^ 6001 Wooster Pike was demolished recently as well. For sale sign posted up this week. I was wondering what used to be there but couldn’t remember. I wonder if there’s plans for something.
July 21, 20213 yr 3 minutes ago, Ucgrad2015 said: I was wondering what used to be there but couldn’t remember. I wonder if there’s plans for something. I had the same response. Really goes to show you how unmemorable the main drag is through Fairfax. Permits are still empty so I think it's just getting prepped to be sold as close to greenfield as possible.
August 2, 20213 yr $32 million mixed-use project planned in St. Bernard A local commercial real estate developer is planning a mixed-use project at the north end of St. Bernard’s business district that would be a total investment of $32 million. Civitas Development Group LLC has been chosen to partner with the village of St. Bernard’s community development leadership for a redevelopment of a shopping center site at the end of the village’s Vine Street commercial corridor. Darin Hall, CEO of Civitas Development, said the redevelopment project, which is being called St. Bernard Square, could serve as a catalyst for the rest of the business district. “It’s important to show what is possible in these first ring communities,” Hall told me. “We would love to be the team that can help to provide an example of that.” More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2021/08/02/st-bernard-project.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
August 10, 20213 yr For the past several months, the American Sign Museum has been removing the parapet along Monmouth and it looks like they are now preparing to remove some windows and maybe build a new entry. I tried looking up articles about it but came up dry. I had heard a while ago that they were fundraising for an expansion. I wonder if that all happened quietly and they are executing an expansion without fanfare.
August 10, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, Chas Wiederhold said: For the past several months, the American Sign Museum has been removing the parapet along Monmouth and it looks like they are now preparing to remove some windows and maybe build a new entry. I tried looking up articles about it but came up dry. I had heard a while ago that they were fundraising for an expansion. I wonder if that all happened quietly and they are executing an expansion without fanfare. I've been told they are doing some emergency repairs, but more is to come.
September 2, 20213 yr A second street corner market (same owner as the one at the banks) will open at the Dixie terminal on east 4th street. Glad the franchise owner is doing well enough business to warrant a second location!
September 2, 20213 yr Dixie Terminal already had a market, open during M-F business hours, that did really well until the pandemic. Great American Insurance employees being the primary customer. "It's just fate, as usual, keeping its bargain and screwing us in the fine print..." - John Crichton
September 22, 20213 yr Hey SW Ohioans! Can someone post a list of Cincinnati projects that are likely to submit for TMUD credits in the next month? Projects have to be $50 million+, 15+ stories or 350,000 sq ft among all phases and feature a mix of uses. Likely winners will already have their projects approved by the city (or at least in the approval process) and be ready to go if not for the TMUD. Extra points for transit access and possessing one or more uses fulfilling a local social need (ie: will put a grocer in a food desert). "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 22, 20213 yr On 9/22/2021 at 9:10 AM, KJP said: Hey SW Ohioans! Can someone post a list of Cincinnati projects that are likely to submit for TMUD credits in the next month? Projects have to be $50 million+, 15+ stories or 350,000 sq ft among all phases and feature a mix of uses. Likely winners will already have their projects approved by the city (or at least in the approval process) and be ready to go if not for the TMUD. Extra points for transit access and possessing one or more uses fulfilling a local social need (ie: will put a grocer in a food desert). Just a complete guess, but Western & Southern Insurance may break ground on a new headquarters building downtown soon. It will most likely cost over 50 mil and be taller than 15 stories. Edited September 23, 20213 yr by nicker66
September 22, 20213 yr 46 minutes ago, KJP said: Hey SW Ohioans! Can someone post a list of Cincinnati projects that are likely to submit for TMUD credits in the next month? Projects have to be $50 million+, 15+ stories or 350,000 sq ft among all phases and feature a mix of uses. Likely winners will already have their projects approved by the city (or at least in the approval process) and be ready to go if not for the TMUD. Extra points for transit access and possessing one or more uses fulfilling a local social need (ie: will put a grocer in a food desert). Unless they use the Elevar designed convention hotel proposal, i am not certain there has been any large proposed project lately. As mentioned previous W&S might have something up there sleeve but i doubt it at this time.
September 22, 20213 yr If they're breaking ground, it doesn't sound like they need help from the state to get their project underway. Unless there are additional phases? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 22, 20213 yr 17 minutes ago, KJP said: If they're breaking ground, it doesn't sound like they need help from the state to get their project underway. Unless there are additional phases? None of them are breaking ground. Everything under construction is def. under 15 stories at the moment in the region. A lot of speculative rumored projects but nothing confirmed.
September 23, 20213 yr I recalled that a Cincinnati developer testified in support of the TMUD legislation in 2019. Sure enough, here it is in part...... https://search-prod.lis.state.oh.us/cm_pub_api/api/unwrap/chamber/133rd_ga/ready_for_publication/committee_docs/cmte_h_econ_dev_1/testimony/cmte_h_econ_dev_1_2019-10-30-1000_974/dobrozsiproponentsb39.pdf TESTIMONY ON SB 39 TRANSFORMATIONAL MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT TAX CREDIT BEFORE THE HOUSE ECONOMIC AND WORKFORCE DEVELOPEMNT COMMITTEE CHRIS DOBROZSI, VICE PRESIDENT, NEYER PROPERTIES OCTOBER 30, 2019 Last year, the House approved HB 469 - legislation offering a tax credit for insurance companies investing in a Transformational Mixed-Use Development (TMUD). This legislation was unanimously approved by the House and was left pending before the Senate Ways and Means Committee when session ended. As you know, this legislation was reintroduced as SB 39 in this session and was passed by a vote of 32-1. For context, Neyer Properties was founded by Dan Neyer in 1995 following in the tradition his family began more than 100 years in real estate and real estate development. Dan has grown his company to be the largest local owner of commercial property in Southwest Ohio and among the top 100 privately owned companies in Cincinnati. Commensurate with passion for real estate development, Neyer has a passion for positively impacting the community. Neyer has not shied away from challenging projects. We recently undertook the conversion of the former Baldwin Piano manufacturing facility into a dynamic apartment building just outside the central business district in Cincinnati. Neyer Properties is a partner and major investor in the Cincinnati Innovation District. The Innovation District is planned to become a major hub of innovation built around the strong medical, life science and research capabilities already present in the immediate area. Think about the Innovation District in terms of the innovation hub in Atlanta adjacent to Georgia Tech, or the one in Boston linked to Harvard and MIT. In Cincinnati, opening of the new MLK interchange at I-71, is catalytic, leading directly to the development of the Cincinnati Innovation District. The Cincinnati Innovation District is planned to contain multiple mixed-use developments supporting bioscience and innovative companies capitalizing on the strength of anchor research institutions including Cincinnati Children’s Hospital Medical Center, the University of Cincinnati, the US EPA’s Water Research Labs, and NIOSH. We control a 20-acre parcel on the west side of I-71 nearest the University of Cincinnati and Cincinnati Children’s Hospital. On this site we are planning to develop office, research, hotel, retail, and residential projects. On the other side of I-71, in the Walnut Hills neighborhood, we are also acquiring property for future development. We are the largest private property holder in the corridor and are committed to the holistic development of the area. This is a long-term project – think 30 years. As with other important urban development projects throughout the state, these projects in the Cincinnati Innovation District are facing the problems of high land acquisition costs, stagnant rents, and increasing construction costs. The first phase of the development also carries be burden of paying for infrastructure that will support future phases of the development. In addition, the first phase must set the tone for all future phases and requires innovative designs and place making that will, very importantly, attract and retain the and innovation economy workers talent for which Ohio aspires. You cannot underestimate the value of the TMUD tool in helping to develop precisely the type of live, work play environments sought by the knowledge workers the state and JobsOhio are focused on attracting. In short, the TMUD tool will help to close gaps in the financial stack for these exceedingly challenging cost structures and be catalytic in moving these capital-intensive projects forward – helping to realize, in our case, the vision for the Innovation District. I will hasten to add that not all large-scale, transformational, mixed use developments are highrise buildings. An amendment added in the Senate that allows more than one connected buildings to comprise the required 350,000 square feet of development allows for invaluable flexibility in site design. A more campus-style approach, connecting nodes of buildings, in many cases is preferred over vertical construction. ..... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 23, 20213 yr @KJPNeyer seems to be asking for the square footage variance, as nothing on that land would go over 15 stories. He'll basically build a boring office park. I always found including "insurance company" language interesting, as it would seem to imply that Western & Southern and/or Nationwide up in Columbus were behind the original TMUD proposal.
September 23, 20213 yr 15 stories is just one of the TMUD criteria. It can also be for projects that in one or more phases total $50 million+ in construction costs and measures 350,000+ square feet. Don't get stopped on the height. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 23, 20213 yr Is the planned spec office building at the Banks going to be over 15 stories? I can't recall.
September 23, 20213 yr It has to be $50 million or more in all phases. It can be either 15 stories OR 350,000 square feet but it must be $50 million when all phases are done. And if the project is just an idea rather than a city-approved project or at least pending approval it's probably not going to get funded. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 23, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, DEPACincy said: Is the planned spec office building at the Banks going to be over 15 stories? I can't recall. Not 15 stories, 11 stories, but the press releases state that its 92.5 million dollar project.
September 23, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, savadams13 said: Not 15 stories, 11 stories, but the press releases state that its 92.5 million dollar project. This might be old info, but article from last year said that it was going to be 17 stories and that it would start construction summer of 2021. https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2020/08/25/the-banks-office-tower-renderings-unveiled/3428391001/
September 24, 20213 yr Cleveland & Columbus to field nearly all of the TMUDs By Ken Prendergast / September 23, 2021 Cleveland and Columbus are shaping up to field most of Ohio’s Transformational Mixed Use Development (TMUD) projects. Cleveland is where the TMUD was originally brainstormed and where its authorizing legislation was drafted. And it’s apparently where most of the potential TMUD projects lie in wait. For those who don’t regularly follow this blog, a TMUD is a mega-project. It’s a real estate development that’s big, complicated, expensive and difficult to do with just private dollars and conventional public subsidies. MORE https://neo-trans.blog/2021/09/23/cleveland-columbus-to-field-nearly-all-of-the-tmuds/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 11, 20213 yr The grocery store is currently being torn down. Glad to see this project is moving forward and will really help revive this area. https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2021/10/11/skytop-retail-redevelopment.html
October 12, 20213 yr Video board being added to the 84.51 building, corner of 6th & Race. "It's just fate, as usual, keeping its bargain and screwing us in the fine print..." - John Crichton
October 13, 20213 yr 20 hours ago, Cygnus said: Video board being added to the 84.51 building, corner of 6th & Race. Wish it was bigger, but something to help energize a dead intersection.
October 19, 20213 yr 1005 Gilbert Ave (Greyhound Bus Station) was sold to CP 1005 Gilbert Avenue LLC for $4.25M. That LLC appears to be tied to Parking Company of America. I hope there are more plans for it than tearing it down and making it a surface lot...but that may be wishful thinking. I would have thought the casino would have purchased the property to control the area adjacent to them.
October 19, 20213 yr The City has re-issued an RFP for 31 Garfield Place, the surface parking lot at the southeast corner of Race and Garfield. Back in January 2018, they awarded an RFP for that site to Titan Real Estate Group, but presumably they couldn't secure financing or ran into some other issues.
October 19, 20213 yr 9 minutes ago, jwulsin said: The City has re-issued an RFP for 31 Garfield Place, the surface parking lot at the southeast corner of Race and Garfield. Back in January 2018, they awarded an RFP for that site to Titan Real Estate Group, but presumably they couldn't secure financing or ran into some other issues. I was wondering about this project. Hopefully this time it gets built.
October 19, 20213 yr Too bad, I thought that was a nice plan for that space. I wonder if the next round of proposals will take advantage of eliminated parking minimums like the parking-lite “The Blonde” apartment building? www.cincinnatiideas.com
October 19, 20213 yr I believe this is going before the next City Planning Commission https://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/planning/planning-projects-and-studies/active-ongoing/proposed-removal-of-density-restrictions/ Essentially, this would eliminate density maximums in any district designated as Multi-Family, Office, Commerical, Urban Mix, Manufacturing, and Riverfront from the zoning code. Currently some people at "Invest in Neighborhoods" (a group of community councils that I'm a little shaky on their organization structure) are trying to stop it from going forward. The main justification for this seems to be that neighborhood community councils want more ability to kill projects and this would mean one less zoning variance that people would need to develop property. Quote First, and significantly, this would remove the ability of neighborhoods to have their voices heard and to have any influence on the development in their neighborhood. Second, and related, the proposed change does not recognize the distinctly different neighborhoods with different needs and different concerns in their communities. Both of these problems would consequently limit the ability of communities to manage growth while maintaining what is unique to their neighborhood. In order to emphasize that this is not merely “NIMBYISM”, we have gathered concerns from different neighborhoods which demonstrate that specific needs and problems cannot be solved with a universal approach. We have appended (lightly edited) representative examples from different communities across the City that provide very specific and valid concerns.
October 19, 20213 yr On 10/13/2021 at 1:04 PM, savadams13 said: Wish it was bigger, but something to help energize a dead intersection. I wish it was a bit bigger too. Edited October 19, 20213 yr by 646empire
October 19, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, ryanlammi said: I believe this is going before the next City Planning Commission https://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/planning/planning-projects-and-studies/active-ongoing/proposed-removal-of-density-restrictions/ Essentially, this would eliminate density maximums in any district designated as Multi-Family, Office, Commerical, Urban Mix, Manufacturing, and Riverfront from the zoning code. Currently some people at "Invest in Neighborhoods" (a group of community councils that I'm a little shaky on their organization structure) are trying to stop it from going forward. The main justification for this seems to be that neighborhood community councils want more ability to kill projects and this would mean one less zoning variance that people would need to develop property. I'm torn on this. It increases density but doesn't get rid of parking requirements. Infract, wouldn't this cause an increase in parking areas since there's more dwelling units per building?
October 19, 20213 yr 4 minutes ago, RealAdamP said: I'm torn on this. It increases density but doesn't get rid of parking requirements. Infract, wouldn't this cause an increase in parking areas since there's more dwelling units per building? One step at a time IMO. And there's no requirement that they build more units in these areas, so they could still build the reduced density that is currently the maximum allowed.
October 19, 20213 yr It also does not effect setbacks or height requirements. I really doubt this will be a particularly noticeable change.
October 19, 20213 yr 2 hours ago, RealAdamP said: Infract, wouldn't this cause an increase in parking areas since there's more dwelling units per building? In the RM zones, parking lots and garages are conditional use. A developer would have to seek approval first before building one.
October 19, 20213 yr 4 hours ago, RealAdamP said: I'm torn on this. It increases density but doesn't get rid of parking requirements. Infract, wouldn't this cause an increase in parking areas since there's more dwelling units per building? Incremental change. There are council members (and candidates that are likely to be elected) who support this and also want to eliminate parking requirements and reduce or eliminate setback requirements and height limits. But making changes in succession will likely generate less blowback than if you wrapped everything into one big ordinance.
October 20, 20213 yr On 10/19/2021 at 8:30 AM, wjh2 said: 1005 Gilbert Ave (Greyhound Bus Station) was sold to CP 1005 Gilbert Avenue LLC for $4.25M. That LLC appears to be tied to Parking Company of America. I hope there are more plans for it than tearing it down and making it a surface lot...but that may be wishful thinking. I would have thought the casino would have purchased the property to control the area adjacent to them. Yesterday afternoon. Looks like some ground work but I think they pulled out a fuel tank.
October 20, 20213 yr 54 minutes ago, Dev said: Yesterday afternoon. Looks like some ground work but I think they pulled out a fuel tank. Is Greyhound still operating out of that facility? Has anything been announced a potential move?
October 20, 20213 yr 29 minutes ago, jwulsin said: Is Greyhound still operating out of that facility? Has anything been announced a potential move? On top of this, where is it moving to?
October 20, 20213 yr You can still buy a Greyhound ticket online that departs from this station, so it's still in use. You can also buy a Greyhound ticket that departs from "University of Cincinnati" with an address listed as "2903 Short Vine St. (Bus Stop Only)", right by the post office and the UC power plant. So I wouldn't be surprised if the downtown station gets eliminated and replaced by a "Bus Stop Only" location somewhere in the CBD or West End, much like Megabus had before they stopped serving Cincinnati.
October 20, 20213 yr The east bay is currently blocked off while the asphalt dries. I would assume they can just use the bays on the west side for the time being.
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