2 hours ago, DEPACincy said:

 

Honest question, is having to do 55 mph for 5-10 miles instead of 70 mph for that stretch really what is holding us back economically? Because we're talking about a huge expense to shave a few minutes off the drive to Cbus.

The problem with high speed rail in Ohio is that so much of the economy is not in the central city. The high speed rail lines depend on hubs connecting in the central parts of each city or just outside of the downtown areas. That is a time that has past for most cities outside of the large NE cities of NY, DC, Philly, Boston and Chicago. 

 

While urban areas may be coming back and growing, that is not necessarily true for many of the job drivers, especially in Ohio. Yes, you get some cool industries and some of the tech companies that like a hip urban environment such as OTR in Cincy or Ohio City in Cleveland or North High in Columbus, etc. but those companies are not employing a ton of people.  The jobs that employ the masses are often in the suburbs with large parking. They are call centers and processing centers, etc. Also, largely, more people are workign from home and have no need to travel as much. 

 

If we are going to spend our dollars for transportation, it should focus on connecting people to their jobs and places of employment. A 3-C train really does nothing in this regard. It does not help those who cannot afford a car to get to their employment easily via public transportation, It does not connect public transportation from where people live and provide efficient transportation to their areas of work.  A 3-C train project really accomplishes nothing of this. While it may make travel between the 3-C cities in Ohio easier, it does not really help people when they get there on the ground. People still need to call Uber to get to their final destination.

 

While a train to the 3-C's may be nice, it really is not much more than a vanity project. Is that the best way to spend our money right now? Before worrying about the 3-C system, the 3-C cities really need to do a better job at fixing their transportation problems and moving people more effectively within their own cities. Once that is solved, then yes, look into more long distance rail service. Otherwise it is a train to nowhere.

1 minute ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

While urban areas may be coming back and growing, that is not necessarily true for many of the job drivers, especially in Ohio. Yes, you get some cool industries and some of the tech companies that like a hip urban environment such as OTR in Cincy or Ohio City in Cleveland or North High in Columbus, etc. but those companies are not employing a ton of people.  The jobs that employ the masses are often in the suburbs with large parking. They are call centers and processing centers, etc. Also, largely, more people are workign from home and have no need to travel as much. 

 

 

I'm not sure why you responded to me because my post had nothing to do with high speed rail. But this bit of your response, in particular is just so wrong. The largest employment zip code in the state is Downtown Cincinnati (45202), followed by Downtown Columbus (43215), and Ohio State (45210). In terms of net commuters, those three are tops again, 4th is Blue Ash/Montgomery (45242), 5th is Downtown Cleveland (44115), 6th is Cleveland Clinic (44195), and 7th is Downtown Cleveland again (44114). So 6 of the top 7 are on the 3C route and the only one that isn't would be very close to the Sharonville stop. A high speed rail connection would serve our job centers very well. Further, I don't know about Cbus and CLE, but the fastest growing Census Tract in the City of Cincinnati from a residential standpoint this past decade was Downtown Cincinnati. 

2 hours ago, savadams13 said:

When you have clients that change time of meetings to earlier instead of later at last minute, then yes it does make sense. The fact of the matter is Cleveland to Columbus three lanes, Columbus to Cincinnati two lanes, it doesnt make sense, and there arent large obstacles in the way of adding an additional lane, to allow passing traffic. 

 

This sounds like a very specific to you problem and not a good reason to spend billions of dollars to widen a highway through a rural area. I drive from Cbus to Cincy and back a lot and, while slow drivers can be annoying, there really isn't "traffic" in the way we usually use that term to refer to actual slowdowns due to volume.

11 minutes ago, DEPACincy said:

 

I'm not sure why you responded to me because my post had nothing to do with high speed rail. But this bit of your response, in particular is just so wrong. The largest employment zip code in the state is Downtown Cincinnati (45202), followed by Downtown Columbus (43215), and Ohio State (45210). In terms of net commuters, those three are tops again, 4th is Blue Ash/Montgomery (45242), 5th is Downtown Cleveland (44115), 6th is Cleveland Clinic (44195), and 7th is Downtown Cleveland again (44114). So 6 of the top 7 are on the 3C route and the only one that isn't would be very close to the Sharonville stop. A high speed rail connection would serve our job centers very well. Further, I don't know about Cbus and CLE, but the fastest growing Census Tract in the City of Cincinnati from a residential standpoint this past decade was Downtown Cincinnati. 

In most cities, the urban core has a lot of jobs there, but again it goes to what type of jobs? The goal needs to be a transportation system that works for the masses and allows those, especially the marginalized, opportunity to get to and from their employment. 

 

If you look at most downtown employers you typically have higher paying positions and they tend to be held by people with college degrees. Large corporate operations centers that pay employees $15-$30/hr on average do not tend to be located in the urban core, but rather in the burbs. Look at Cincinnati as an example and the big corporate employers downtown. Most of their employees in numbers are based in the suburbs (5/3, USBank, Macy's, Kroger). Go to Cleveland you see the same thing (KeyBank operations are suburban, progressive, Parker Hannifin). So yes, you have a good concentration of employees in the city but these employees have options. They can drive to work, take a bus if they want, etc. They can afford to pay parking. Yes, the option of taking a train to Cleveland or Columbus may be nice for them, but it is only a potential amenity and just another choice they can make in their lives. It is the people in the corporate office parks that need the options and need to be connected to their places of employment. Before anyone starts pushing 3-C rail, let's focus on our own regional transportation. BRT, better East West routes for Metro, even a light rail to circulate people too and from their neighborhoods to their workplaces, especially those who are at the margins and do not always have the choice between driving or walking. 

5 hours ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

BRT, better East West routes for Metro, even a light rail to circulate people too and from their neighborhoods to their workplaces, especially those who are at the margins and do not always have the choice between driving or walking. 

 

We are literally doing this right now. Where you been? 

Eye-catching Charley Harper sculpture by artist Micah Landers ‘a warm hug’ in Springfield Township

 

The corner of Winton and Galbraith roads in Springfield Township is one of the busiest intersections in Hamilton County. Now you’ll have a reason to slow down to view a cool new sculpture honoring the late wildlife artist Charley Harper. Known for his stylized, brightly colored wildlife creatures, Harper lived in Finneytown for nearly 50 years.

 

“The Many Sides of Charley Harper,” by Ludlow-based sculptor Micah Landers, was unveiled Oct. 8. The colors are vibrant and anyone familiar with Harper’s art will instantly recognize the ladybug, red cardinal, dappled fawn and Harper’s "Cool Carnivore" Bengal tiger. It is the centerpiece of a newly landscaped garden fronting a shopping plaza.

 

“I wish Charley could be here to see this, but I believe he’d be thrilled by this adaptation of his art,” Harper’s son, Brett Harper, said at the dedication. “When I saw this unveiled today, it was like getting a warm hug from the community that I grew up in.”

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2022/10/11/eye-catching-charley-harper-sculpture-a-warm-hug.html

 

The art looks cool, but how sad is this: "Now you’ll have a reason to slow down to view a cool new sculpture". It reminds me of Johnny Sanphillippo's excellent essay "The Talisman of Colerain": https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2016/10/24/the-talisman-of-colerain

 

 

Edited October 12, 20222 yr by carnevalem

On 10/4/2022 at 3:21 PM, ucgrady said:

A man can dream of a 3C+D train connecting the major metros as well, would be huge for distributing both workers and businesses connected to Intel throughout the state. 

If only Steve Chabot would have had the foresight for that before giving the funds back...I will never forgive him for that.

Big College Hill, CUF and Camp Washington projects get final city OK

 

A major apartment project planned for Camp Washington and CUF received the final approval it needs from the city of Cincinnati Friday, but planning commissioners expressed concern about speeding traffic at the Central Parkway site and the safety of students its designed to house.

 

Cincinnati Planning Commission approved the final development plan for Dallas-based Fountain Residential Partners 136-unit Hallmar project, which is slightly larger than when it first was considered in March at 132 units. It also has 258 parking spaces, up from 252.

 

“It’s a serious, grave concern that people are hitting students in this area,” said Byron Stallworth, chairman of the planning commission.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2022/11/04/college-hill-cuf-camp-washington-projects-ok.html

 

Aspire Kenwood brings new apartment amenities to Cincinnati

 

A new apartment building in Kenwood that gives residents a “curated living experience” is offering a slew of unique amenities, some of which will be available to residents by the end of November.

 

Aspire Kenwood, located at 4751 Aspire Blvd., is a luxury apartment building that has leased over 200 of its apartments since April. It is part of the larger Gallery at Kenwood, a $150 million project that will include a hotel, parking garage and retail upon completion.

 

Rent at Aspire Kenwood falls between $1,629 and $3,700 per month depending on the type of unit and term of the lease, said Lloyd Cobble, CIG Communities senior vice president of project development. Studio apartments are at the very bottom of that range.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2022/11/08/aspire-kenwood-new-amenities-somadome-podcast-room.html

 

OTR receives most Cincinnati tax abatements since 2012: ANALYSIS

By Chris Wetterich  –  Staff reporter and columnist, Cincinnati Business Courier

Nov 11, 2022

 

When it comes to the number of residential tax abatements in Cincinnati over the past decade, Over-the-Rhine leads the city followed closely by Hyde Park.

 

The city established the residential tax abatement program to encourage people to move back into the city, revitalize neighborhoods and renovate their existing homes.

 

The program allows people to build brand new houses or condos or renovate their existing ones and not pay property taxes on the improvements they have made. Such tax breaks last between 10 and 15 years. Longer tax abatements are available for projects that meet green, Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design standards.

 

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It's pretty crazy that we have all of this development happening in one area, but because of I-71 (and to a lesser degree, the railroad) they are going to be built as three independent developments with essentially no pedestrian, bike, or transit connection between them. It's largely going to be drive-to urbanism. Imagine if this stretch of I-71 were sunk down and partially capped, allowing you to easily walk between all of the apartments and businesses in these three developments.

Completely agree, but aren’t the two eastern projects getting a ped tunnel under the tracks? Or was it a road?

 

The Factory 52 development in particular could benefit big time from connectivity. As it stands, it’s out of the way, even by car.

I believe there is a plan for a ped tunnel under the tracks between the Oakley NBD and Oakley Station.

There's no funding for the tunnel ATM. It's supposed to extend out of 34th and the outdoor entertainment place on the north side of the tracks is giving up the necessary land to make the ADA ramp work. IIRC the original estimate was either $8 or $10 million. I can't imagine what the cost would be this year. They tried to apply for the 1st round of the SORTA infrastructure fund, but only local governments qualify for it. FWIW, the developer doing the Three Oaks development, Neyer, is installing some traffic calming on their side of Robertson, with more marked crosswalks, and bump-outs. It's not enough to drive pedestrian traffic to Factory 52 but it's a good start.

Not to throw things off topic but new office building construction being nonexistent do you think we’ll see the offices planned for Factory 52 be reimagined to apartments? I’d much rather have apartments go in those spaces in the next 4-5 years than have it sit empty for 10 because office demand isn’t there. 

Hamilton County aims to revitalize Lincoln Heights with demolition of former school, other aid

 

Lincoln Heights long has been a nearly all-Black Cincinnati suburb that has struggled, facing the lack of a grocery store, the shut down of its police department in 2014 and a land-grab by white suburbs in the 1940s that denied the village a major industrial tax base.

 

Hamilton County is trying to reverse that, announcing a $975,000 grant that will allow the village to demolish a shuttered high school, priming it for redevelopment, improve a park and upgrade decrepit roads and sidewalks. The village believes it can use that money to get $3.1 million more in state and private funding.

 

The village, which as a population of 3,200, was the first Black self-governing community north of the Mason-Dixon line.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2022/12/01/hamilton-county-demolish-former-school.html

 

On 11/25/2022 at 11:50 AM, taestell said:

 

 

The railroad is as big of an obstacle as the interstate highway.  It's actually technically possible to re-route the B&O mainline to parallel its spur connections and free up two miles of ROW, including the yard, for a new roadway that would use the original B&O ROW and cross over both I-71 and Madison Rd.  This would allow all of the north/south streets in Oakley to be extended into Oakley Station at-grade.   

 

Use your imagination - the new mainline would parallel the spur that starts at Beech St., then parallel the other railroad main until it would rise and rejoin the historic B&O mainline just west of Red Bank Rd.:

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1616424,-84.4247848,1886m/data=!3m1!1e3

  

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 1, 20222 yr by Lazarus

17 hours ago, Lazarus said:

 

The railroad is as big of an obstacle as the interstate highway.  It's actually technically possible to re-route the B&O mainline to parallel its spur connections and free up two miles of ROW, including the yard, for a new roadway that would use the original B&O ROW and cross over both I-71 and Madison Rd.  This would allow all of the north/south streets in Oakley to be extended into Oakley Station at-grade.   

 

Use your imagination - the new mainline would parallel the spur that starts at Beech St., then parallel the other railroad main until it would rise and rejoin the historic B&O mainline just west of Red Bank Rd.:

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1616424,-84.4247848,1886m/data=!3m1!1e3

  

 

 

 

 

 

So this?

Yeah.  The technical problem for the railroad is that the ROW descends east of Ridge 25-30 feet to pass under the B&O near Red Bank, so it would have to stay level just east of the wye or at least dip as little as possible to avoid a grade crossing with the Kennedy Connector. 

 

For purposes of conversation, the new street would be called Enyart Ave. and extend from Beech in Norwood eastward two miles, with overpasses above I-71, Madison, Ridge, and Red Bank (new bridge).  It would then connect with Tompkins in Madisonville.  The new Enyart would still meet side streets at-grade. 

Port lands a record $17.7 million to demolish 435 Elm, other buildings

By Tom Demeropolis  –  Managing editor, Cincinnati Business Courier

Dec 9, 2022

 

The Port of Greater Cincinnati Development Authority landed a record $17.7 million from the Ohio Department of Development to demolish dozens of buildings throughout Hamilton County, including one that has been the crux of the P.G. Sittenfeld trial.

 

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I know they're pretty much useless but I'll miss the Beekman silos, could've been a cool industrial era centerpiece if the Mill Creek valley  were to be rejuvenated.

39 minutes ago, dnymck said:

I know they're pretty much useless but I'll miss the Beekman silos, could've been a cool industrial era centerpiece if the Mill Creek valley  were to be rejuvenated.

I was so pissed about the other half being demolished. These could have been the focal point of a redevelopment project. They certainly had historic value.

Oh dang! I had no idea they were demolished. Would have loved to get an Os Gemeos mural on them and have them be an anchor along the millcreek trail portion of the CROWN.

So with all these big projects that have been stalled (Pendry Hotel, Traction Building) or in a legal battle (Liberty and Elm). As well as general new construction and renovation (new convention center hotel, more apartments for City club), how are we feeling 2023 will turn out to be urban core development wise? 

6 hours ago, Ucgrad2015 said:

So with all these big projects that have been stalled (Pendry Hotel, Traction Building) or in a legal battle (Liberty and Elm). As well as general new construction and renovation (new convention center hotel, more apartments for City club), how are we feeling 2023 will turn out to be urban core development wise? 

Along with what’s kicking off around UC’s Campus 2023 looks giant for Cincy 

DOTE is considering making 8 streets in CUF one-way so that they can add contra flow bike lanes.

https://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/dote/dote-projects/cuf-one-way-conversion/

 

I'm honestly not sure how to feel about this. I like the idea of adding bike lanes, but as the webpage acknowledges, "The conversion likely would result in increased vehicular speeds on reconfigured streets due to the lack of any opposing traffic. If the proposal moves forward, DOTE may recommend countermeasures, such as the installation of speed cushions to reduce vehicle speeds and increase safety."

 

What do you all think? Is the status quo better than this proposal? Is there a better alternative that would keep traffic slow while adding bike facilities? (I assume removing onstreet parking is a political non-starter.)

I don't really see the need for bike lanes on small residential streets like these. They aren't important through streets, so the only people using them are going to be people starting or ending their trips. For half a block on a narrow two way street you can ride in mixed traffic. It feels like a solution looking for a problem to me. Separated bike lines on arterial streets should be the priority before we start messing with one block long streets 

These streets? Really? I agree with ryanlammi, this is not a problem that needs to be solved.

FWIW, this was a recommendation from the parking study conducted before the Deaconess redevelopment. The streets are too narrow for double sided parking and two-way traffic and there's no way the residents would support anything that would reduce the existing parking supply on the street. So you just make them one-way and give the extra space to a contra-flow bike lane, to maintain two-way access for those on bikes.

These streets are narrow enough that cars have to slow down and carefully pass cars traveling in the opposite direction. Which is a good thing for everyone, including cyclists. There is no need to make any modifications to these streets.

31 minutes ago, taestell said:

These streets are narrow enough that cars have to slow down and carefully pass cars traveling in the opposite direction. Which is a good thing for everyone, including cyclists. There is no need to make any modifications to these streets.

They are stating that it's a barrier for emergency vehicles to pass through but I don't know if that's a strawman. I'm not seeing any traffic counts for any of these streets to suggest anything.

Regardless, they could remove a few on-street spots to give people room to pull over for a fire truck or ambulance, but they clearly just don't want to reduce the existing supply of parking.

I lived on Flora Street for several years and IMO this is a non-issue.

Agree,  I lived on Moerlein back in college.   The street is fine.  The vast majority of houses are filled with college students.  Which means everyone is mostly walking to campus each day.  There was never much traffic.  

Also, unrelated to the bike portion of this: Ohio Avenue and Moerlein are both significantly wider than the other streets there. There's absolutely no need to make these one-way streets for cars. Really absurd proposal to me.

On 12/30/2022 at 5:45 PM, Dev said:

emergency vehicles

 

I've seen the #17 reroute on Wheeler St. without incident.

 

Bike lanes are just like bus lanes - they're often proposed/established in the areas where they are least needed.  

 

Things get hairy in this area on move-in day, Aug 1.  That's when they turn a bunch of 68 and 19 year-olds loose with Uhaul trucks.  

 

  

Took this from the downtown library connector stop. Assuming the crane is for the Hollister street apartments?

Could be the one set up for the new hotel across from Hughes H.S. and UC.

 

You see it on paper and read the maps & plans, but it's hard to comprehend how massive the Factory 52 development really is until you see it in person. Jesus ... would be really cool if it could connect to the Oakley site near Anthem or Cinemark (unless it does and I don't know about it).

 

Can we annex Norwood already? :) 

2 hours ago, Cincinnatus said:

You see it on paper and read the maps & plans, but it's hard to comprehend how massive the Factory 52 development really is until you see it in person. Jesus ... would be really cool if it could connect to the Oakley site near Anthem or Cinemark (unless it does and I don't know about it).

 

Can we annex Norwood already? :) 

Factory 52 is going to be a “go to” place for dining and entertainment and a great place to live.  Residents moving in now and tap rooms and restaurants coming this spring.  Can’t wait to see what happens with Phase 2.

2 hours ago, Cincinnatus said:

would be really cool if it could connect to the Oakley site near Anthem or Cinemark (unless it does and I don't know about it).

 

 

I'm sure that people will start walking across the railroad bridge...there really aren't that many trains on it:

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1596377,-84.4373259,246m/data=!3m1!1e3

 

 

Edited January 24, 20232 yr by Lazarus

So I drive down I-71 every day for work and you can see this construction going down 71. You can also see construction going up near Cinemark. It looks like on the aerial google there is 3 big developments going on at one time. I know the one in the SE Quadrant is a lot of housing correct? What's the one by Anthem/Cinemark?

 

Also, the other part I wanted to say, I am really into environmental restoration and the amount of honeysuckle on the I-71 corridor REALLY peeves me off. Why can't we get this cleaned up and native vegetation planted in it's stead?

 

It would make the whole area look so much nicer not only in the winter but year round. Honey suckle is horrible for our environment including storm water and landslide mitigation. The honey suckle has shallow roots and doesn't hold the top soil in place, doesn't provide birds with any sort of nutrition, is a host plant to zero native caterpillars/beetles, etc. It's a huge problem here I know but I feel something has to be done.

 

It would look so much more beautiful and be so much better for top soil preservation and groundwater retention / flood mitigation to plant native vegetation.

 

Columbus is really forward in this, I know they have done a lot of rain gardens in certain neighborhoods. I wonder how well these are working?

 

Just for my own plug here are two rain gardens I planted in our backyard which I killed off turf grass and replanted. We had standing, stagnant water, huge mosquito problems and just in general sopping wet ground for a week at a time after big rain falls. This is only after two years old. Still doing more, last summer ;-)

 

But think how beautiful our corridor could be if they replaced the lawn and honey suckle with this, and how much better for all things environment, water mitigation and landslide mitigation it would be. These type of prairie plantings can have roots going downward of 10 feet deep.

^ always like to hear other people complain about the honeysuckle bushes!  i have 4 forested acres and have slowly eliminated almost all of it from my (and maybe a bit of my neighbors) property.  I agree, the roadsides are bad.  i would also like to see cincinnati and nky do a better job of removing it from their parks.  then we can move on to bradford pears... mustard weed... 

1 minute ago, jack.c.amos said:

^ always like to hear other people complain about the honeysuckle bushes!  i have 4 forested acres and have slowly eliminated almost all of it from my (and maybe a bit of my neighbors) property.  I agree, the roadsides are bad.  i would also like to see cincinnati and nky do a better job of removing it from their parks.  then we can move on to bradford pears... mustard weed... 

 

Seems like if the state figured it out you could really make a dent in the parks and hillsides and roadsides. Obvoiusly it would be tons of maintenance but worth it IMO.

 

You can see in the picture I have 3 bradford pear trees. I am planning on trimming them quite a bit but the cost to fall a tree like that is high but there is a field where I live that is 100% pears and honeysuckle. They find themselves everywhere, it's a shame.

1 hour ago, jack.c.amos said:

^ always like to hear other people complain about the honeysuckle bushes!  i have 4 forested acres and have slowly eliminated almost all of it from my (and maybe a bit of my neighbors) property.  I agree, the roadsides are bad.  i would also like to see cincinnati and nky do a better job of removing it from their parks.  then we can move on to bradford pears... mustard weed... 

Anecdotally I also see a lot of climbing vines engulfing and killing trees on the east side, especially along Columbia Parkway.

 

 

4 minutes ago, mcmicken said:

Anecdotally I also see a lot of climbing vines engulfing and killing trees on the east side, especially along Columbia Parkway.

 

There is a pretty impressive stand of bamboo taking over the area near the Collins Ave. overpass.  I'm thinking about digging some of it up and transplanting it to my yard.  

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1247718,-84.4691632,3a,75y,76.2h,98.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sHNArgLL4aCrzi7dE0Yz2hQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Bush honeysuckle sucks! I have 20-35 acres of it. So much of it that I can't even tell how much I have.

Removing honeysuckle (and other invasive species) is definitely a goal for Cincinnati Parks, but it's been funded by somewhat small grants and relied on volunteer labor: https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sponsor-story/cincinnati-parks-foundation/2022/04/14/cincinnati-parks-foundations-conservation-efforts-go-beyond-earth-day/7276595001/

 

Would be great to do something more systematic to cover the whole city/region.

 

I haven't heard about any honeysuckle remediation plans from ODOT. They own tons of land, so agreed that it'd be great for them to get on board. 

Edited January 25, 20232 yr by jwulsin

There is/was roadwork on the Robertson overpass that connects the Factory 52 to the Neyer project, I wonder if there is going to be widened or improved sidewalks or bike lanes on that overpass because 4 lanes aren't necessary right there. 

21 hours ago, Lazarus said:

 

There is a pretty impressive stand of bamboo taking over the area near the Collins Ave. overpass.  I'm thinking about digging some of it up and transplanting it to my yard.  

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1247718,-84.4691632,3a,75y,76.2h,98.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sHNArgLL4aCrzi7dE0Yz2hQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

 

I wouldn't plant bamboo in your yard. I am pretty sure it's highly invasive and starts to take over your yard and really hard to kill. If I were you I would look to plant if you were looking at hedges and depending on sunlight something like prairie willow, p***y willow, or create a thicket of arrowood viburnum.

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=arrowwood+viburnum&client=firefox-b-1-d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiu3tHLqeP8AhXKkmoFHVBhD2EQ_AUoAXoECAIQAw&biw=1920&bih=947&dpr=1#imgrc=5accubkfy9uK2M