No one has posted here in 2 months. Is the ground floor retail done & the scaffolding gone?

13 minutes ago, simplythis said:

No one has posted here in 2 months. Is the ground floor retail done & the scaffolding gone?

It is not done and the scaffolding is not gone.

The owner of the CAC owns my building I currently live in on Huron Road. With my experiences here and with her, she is well intentioned but not someone who is good at "developing". The inside of our buildings lobby is largely the same as it was fifteen years ago and has been "being upgraded" for years now. I would not expect this to be "done" until late this year or early next year.

Edited September 4, 20195 yr by downtownjoe
clarity

This is the longest rehab in the history of the world.  If you look at old pics of the Playhouse Square lighting and signs going up, there was work being done in 2013

Nothing seems to have been done over the last 6-8 weeks yet there are workers there constantly! I saw some of the fiberglass (?) exterior molding being delivered recently, so maybe they were waiting on that. 

There have been people living there though for a good couple of months. 

^The upper floors is probably where all the work is happening. When I toured in June those floors barely had drywall hung. The pool area didn't have wiring in the walls yet, so the tradesmen had to come in and finish drywall, lay tile, paint walls, install cabinetry, install lighting, install carpet, install signage, etc. Probably all the activity you've seen. 

Edited September 6, 20195 yr by Mov2Ohio

They are also working everyday on the ground floor retail bays and entrances / repairing and replacing the sidewalk etc.  Not sure why it is dragging on but at least the sidewalk is *mostly* open.  Looks like the last step in the exterior restoration is to recreate the pinnacles that lined the top of the building.

Edited September 6, 20195 yr by mrclifton88

Are all the apartment units complete?  

On 9/4/2019 at 3:24 PM, mack34 said:

This is the longest rehab in the history of the world.  If you look at old pics of the Playhouse Square lighting and signs going up, there was work being done in 2013

To be fair it took a year or so just to remove all the trash, debris, mold, water damage, and to replace the roof so that they could begin the total rehab of the building. The building was vacate without heat for about ten years and had massive water damage and was vandalized too.  And it went thru several developers before the existing partnership took over the project in about 2016.

Athlon might be getting close to finishing!

I love seeing all these buildings come on line.  It's taken a decade, but redeveloping all these old office buildings into residential is a marathon, not a sprint.

 

10 hours ago, KJP said:

 

that would be a hard no for me.

Yikes..some of.that decor pays no homage to the architecture/interior design. Take that back out to the suburbs.

Are those patio tables?

12 hours ago, KJP said:

 

Looks like the inside of a Courtyard Marriott.

While the opinions vary on the interior of The Athlon, this is just plain wrong....

 

 

9 minutes ago, KJP said:

While the opinions vary on the interior of The Athlon, this is just plain wrong....

 

 

 

Less sidewalk for e-scooters to block? Sounds like a great idea.

^ Although I don’t like it either, how is it any different to Heinens, Yours Truly, Heck’s etc taking up sidewalk space on Euclid for outdoor seating that narrows the sidewalk just as much? 

Keep in Mind that without the curb pull of zone, cars idling in front of the building, including move in trucks would have to park in the right of way, which requires cars to travel into and block the bus only lane. This already happens in areas without these pull offs. Put the transit underground on Euclid! Oh, wait...

On 9/21/2019 at 2:01 PM, MyTwoSense said:

I love seeing all these buildings come on line.  It's taken a decade, but redeveloping all these old office buildings into residential is a marathon, not a sprint.

I agree, but as someone who's had to run around the broken sidewalk almost every day for 3 years, they really could have handled it better.

1 hour ago, roman totale XVII said:

^ Although I don’t like it either, how is it any different to Heinens, Yours Truly, Heck’s etc taking up sidewalk space on Euclid for outdoor seating that narrows the sidewalk just as much? 

"this is just as bad as the other thing that is also bad" is not a convincing argument.

 

2 hours ago, KJP said:

While the opinions vary on the interior of The Athlon, this is just plain wrong....

"just plain wrong"? according to who? do you use this sidewalk?

40 minutes ago, Cavalier Attitude said:

"just plain wrong"? according to who? do you use this sidewalk?

 

What promotes walkability and urbanity? A wider sidewalk with places and features worthy of visiting and lingering or a wider street for more vehicles?

 

EDIT: I'm reminded of this graphic.....

 

Edited September 24, 20195 yr by KJP

Besides the annoying curb cut in. This building is about done. Just need 925 to get started and the Euclid Renaissance in this area is truly amazing

compared to the last 5-10 years.

4 minutes ago, WindyBuckeye said:

Besides the annoying curb cut in. This building is about done. Just need 925 to get started and the Euclid Renaissance in this area is truly amazing

compared to the last 5-10 years.

Don't forget City Club apartments on the Hippodrome lot.  OK @KJP the ball is in your court.?

3 minutes ago, Htsguy said:

Don't forget City Club apartments on the Hippodrome lot.  OK @KJP the ball is in your court.?

 

To do what? 

4 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

To do what? 

Well you know what.  Produce multiple renderings and a ground breaking date.  I mean is that too much to ask?

5 minutes ago, Htsguy said:

Well you know what.  Produce multiple renderings and a ground breaking date.  I mean is that too much to ask?

You left out "provide financing" haha. 

KJP is now in financing business. Hopefully Nucleus is one of his main clients.  HeHe.

Just now, simplythis said:

KJP is now in financing business. Hopefully Nucleus is one of his main clients.  HeHe.

 

Just a condo flipper and blogger. So if you know someone with an outdated condo they'd like to get rid of....

2 hours ago, KJP said:

 

What promotes walkability and urbanity? A wider sidewalk with places and features worthy of visiting and lingering or a wider street for more vehicles?

 

EDIT: I'm reminded of this graphic.....

 

It sounded like you were saying the tweeters were wrong and the narrow sidewalk was fine. Guess I misinterpreted. I think we're both saying this sidewalk should be wider.

7 hours ago, Cavalier Attitude said:

I agree, but as someone who's had to run around the broken sidewalk almost every day for 3 years, they really could have handled it better.

 

Is there only one side walk in this area?

Is there only one street in the area? There was a covered entrance to the side of the CAC, off the East 12th alley.

 

My grandfather was a regular at the CAC from the 1910s to the 1960s. He was one of many corporate executives who were members. He drove his 7-passenger Packard down there from Shaker Heights during the Great Depression just to show off (yes, he was an a-hole). The CAC has been there since 1911. NOW they need a cut-out for a valet?

2 hours ago, MyTwoSense said:

 

Is there only one side walk in this area?

Yes, because the north sidewalk is blocked off by the JHB development.

 

The alley between Halle/CAC has been blocked off by construction since about 2014.

Do they need a valet? Definitely not, but they probably want one because it makes money and helps compete with The 9, and I'm guessing the city let them have it.

Folks, these are good problems to have. 

 

At least the conversation is around a lack of pedestrian space and access because there's so much development in the area.

Replace it with a pocket park!

13 hours ago, KJP said:

Is there only one street in the area? There was a covered entrance to the side of the CAC, off the East 12th alley.

 

My grandfather was a regular at the CAC from the 1910s to the 1960s. He was one of many corporate executives who were members. He drove his 7-passenger Packard down there from Shaker Heights during the Great Depression just to show off (yes, he was an a-hole). The CAC has been there since 1911. NOW they need a cut-out for a valet?

 

Now this is nostalgia, Ken

12 hours ago, Frmr CLEder said:

Folks, these are good problems to have. 

 

At least the conversation is around a lack of pedestrian space and access because there's so much development in the area.

I guess so, but I'm cranky. this is my backyard! Construction here seems to take longer than it should and disrupt services more than it should. 

 

1 hour ago, YABO713 said:

 

Now this is nostalgia, Ken

 

@YABO713 Grandpa used to drive his shiny new Packard with his family inside around the block a couple of times near a downtown soup kitchen during the Great Depression just to show off to the unemployed. When one of them spat on his car, grandpa decided to drive past the soup kitchen a couple more times and yell "lazy!" at the indigent. Just because I'm related to him doesn't mean I can relate to him. He wasn't a warm and empathetic man.

 

Anyhow -- point is the CAC catered to the wealthy of this city for 96 years , and many of its demanding clientele drove to the CAC in fancy cars. None of them needed a valet lane.

3 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

@YABO713 Grandpa used to drive his shiny new Packard with his family inside around the block a couple of times near a downtown soup kitchen during the Great Depression just to show off to the unemployed. When one of them spat on his car, grandpa decided to drive past the soup kitchen a couple more times and yell "lazy!" at the indigent. Just because I'm related to him doesn't mean I can relate to him. He wasn't a warm and empathetic man.

 

Anyhow -- point is the CAC catered to the wealthy of this city for 96 years , and many of its demanding clientele drove to the CAC in fancy cars. None of them needed a valet lane.

 

We all have that one relative... 

 

Also... significant retail at Euclid Grand (cough Target cough) would really help reduce the need for valet.

I also see the valet zone being used by UPS/FedEx/Amazon delivery trucks. By my count they make up most of the parked traffic blocking the non bus lane.

Regarding the sidewalk width, the original width here was about 11 feet because the road widened to add the turning lane at East 12th. At Heinen's and Yours Truly, the sidewalk width is about 18 feet, so you're left with more passable sidewalk at those locations than you are here.

Edited September 25, 20195 yr by TPH2

Some old friends are very involved with this conversion.  Part of the reason for the valet lane.....and not that i agree with it......is that they have no parking on site.  So they are offering valet service to perspective renters to overcome the lack of close parking.  Also, while I was talking to them yesterday, they currently have no takers on the available retail space in the first floor.  He mentioned names they have talked too, but so far, nothing.  He did ask, what do downtown dwellers want to have?  I told him that after a City Target or maybe a Discsount Drug Mart, I'm not sure.  Thoughts? 

36 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

 

We all have that one relative... 

 

Also... significant retail at Euclid Grand (cough Target cough) would really help reduce the need for valet.

My friend said that Walgreens is interested in Euclid Grand.  And as for Target, he mentioned that he heard they were interested in the May Company building until Gilbert got involved??  that one confused me

7 minutes ago, mack34 said:

My friend said that Walgreens is interested in Euclid Grand.  And as for Target, he mentioned that he heard they were interested in the May Company building until Gilbert got involved??  that one confused me

 

That would suckkkkkk... there's literally a CVS across the street and another .25 miles north down Euclid

Thats what I told him.....We don't need more overpriced pharmacies.  

3 hours ago, YABO713 said:

 

Now this is nostalgia, Ken

There's something to be said for nostalgia. It adds perspective and historical context that provides additional meaning to projects.

1 hour ago, mack34 said:

My friend said that Walgreens is interested in Euclid Grand.  And as for Target, he mentioned that he heard they were interested in the May Company building until Gilbert got involved??  that one confused me

 

Not surprised, considering all the empty nesters downtown.

 

I smell another retail discussion threatening to take this thread off-topic, however.

1 hour ago, mack34 said:

Thats what I told him.....We don't need more overpriced pharmacies.  

 

And yet, with a pharmacy seemingly on every corner in some suburban areas, there are none at CSU.  Really surprised about that.