ARCHITECTS?

Let's hope they treat the sidewalk area & storefront at their new location with even the slightest amount more care for appearance than their current home on Euclid Ave. 

Looking at this place it appears like they don't give a damn at all about where they live. The outside of their offices here look almost as if they have disdain for the public.

 

I guess it's true. Sometimes the shoemakers children go barefoot.

On 3/22/2021 at 1:07 PM, mrnyc said:

^ maybe they will put a big old school type sign on the roof like the one in the south bronx.

that building is perfect for one of those.

 

I agree!  

8 hours ago, GISguy said:

Really hope they have a performance area where you can have intimate sessions live on air. I'll admit I don't listen to many of the iHeart stations in town but seems like something that would be really cool. I know of a lot of alternative stations that have this type of setup (KEXP (Seattle), CFNY-FM (edge.ca, Toronto), WYEP (Pittsburgh), etc etc).

 

If anything I've seen the mobs to just get coffee at MGK's spot in the flats, imagine if any RMFH-playing celeb was in a Euclid facing studio for an interview/performance. 

 

668 was such a waste of prime sidewalk space, glad to see it activated.

What a freakin cool idea! I definitely hope that happens

 

 

3 hours ago, GISguy said:

 

This project will bring so much life and activity to that stretch. More of this plz. Channel 5 & 8 look like they could use new digs. 92.3 should flip to the Euclid side of Halle. Do game day shows and  interviews out front. They’re pretty hidden on Huron.

Edited June 4, 20214 yr by marty15

Thx for the update @mack34

 

Can we post this in the euclid grand thread  and hopefully someone

can post some recent pictures

Any updates on iHeart Media move to 668 Euclid?  

still under construction

7 hours ago, LibertyBlvd said:

Any updates on iHeart Media move to 668 Euclid?  

WMMS is running promos to win a one year lease and be "Rovers Neighbor."   I'm not sure how much of a selling point that is... :) 

1 hour ago, Cleburger said:

WMMS is running promos to win a one year lease and be "Rovers Neighbor."   I'm not sure how much of a selling point that is... :) 

 

I have no idea what that means. 

12 hours ago, KJP said:

 

I have no idea what that means. 

 

Rover is the morning guy on WMMS (syndicated nationally via Iheart).   He makes living off 12 year old boy humor (fart and gential jokes).   Basically Cleveland's version of "Dingo and the Baby" 

 

 

A new market hall coming to Euclid Grand??! 👀 

 

I am so intrigued…this would be awesome! I’m really hoping this actually is happening. What a cool addition to Downtown and great way to activate this stretch of Euclid.

 

Very interesting.

5 minutes ago, urbanetics_ said:

A new market hall coming to Euclid Grand??! 👀 

 

I am so intrigued…this would be awesome! I’m really hoping this actually is happening. What a cool addition to Downtown and great way to activate this stretch of Euclid.

 

Great find! A food/shop hall would be a hit with nearby residents too.

Don't we have two of these that are already underutilized? How does this differ from the Arcades? Or the Galleria for that matter.

3 minutes ago, Ineffable_Matt said:

Don't we have two of these that are already underutilized? How does this differ from the Arcades? Or the Galleria for that matter.

 

Neither of those are good examples of food halls

3 minutes ago, Ineffable_Matt said:

Don't we have two of these that are already underutilized? How does this differ from the Arcades? Or the Galleria for that matter.

 

The Arcades are far from a Van Aken-type food hall. 

 

Take a look at Mt Vernon marketplace in Baltimore for another good example. Or closer to home - North Market in Cbus.

It’s not just a food court/hall though, is it? Aren’t there shops? I’m not trying to be obtuse or flippant. Just trying to figure out how this is different.

Just now, Ineffable_Matt said:

It’s not just a food court/hall though, is it? Aren’t there shops? I’m not trying to be obtuse or flippant. Just trying to figure out how this is different.

I think the difference is that the Arcades, Galleria, etc. are essentially traditional shopping malls with shops and food courts. Market halls are kid of the opposite.  I've only been to Van Aken once but the market hall was mostly food businesses and a few shops Shinola, etc.

1 hour ago, Ineffable_Matt said:

It’s not just a food court/hall though, is it? Aren’t there shops? I’m not trying to be obtuse or flippant. Just trying to figure out how this is different.

The format doesn't matter. The stores do. As long as shops here aren't direct competitors with the shops in either arcade, it shouldn't hurt existing retailers at all.

1 hour ago, LlamaLawyer said:

The format doesn't matter. The stores do. As long as shops here aren't direct competitors with the shops in either arcade, it shouldn't hurt existing retailers at all.

I get that. I’m saying those spaces aren’t at capacity, so adding more of the same isn’t blowing my skirt up. I still hope it’s successful, though.

To me the difference is in the kind of establishments. Traditional foodcourts seem to all be the same chain fastfood places. The market hall, at least at Van Aken, is all small scale local places, including some small scale "neighborhood" type retail mixed in. Add in the programming and special events and its a place to go to as a destination, or just to hang out and relax. The food courts on the other hand are more just to stop and eat in between other destinations/shopping. 

 

Van Aken is my favorite place to go whenever I want something good quality quickly and affordably. If this ends up anything like Van Aken, it'll be a great addition to downtown.

23 hours ago, PoshSteve said:

To me the difference is in the kind of establishments. Traditional foodcourts seem to all be the same chain fastfood places. The market hall, at least at Van Aken, is all small scale local places, including some small scale "neighborhood" type retail mixed in. Add in the programming and special events and its a place to go to as a destination, or just to hang out and relax. The food courts on the other hand are more just to stop and eat in between other destinations/shopping. 

 

Van Aken is my favorite place to go whenever I want something good quality quickly and affordably. If this ends up anything like Van Aken, it'll be a great addition to downtown.

But to @Ineffable_Mattpoint, isn't that exactly what's in both the aforementioned Arcades, and the Galleria and Tower City? (It is)

14 hours ago, Mov2Ohio said:

But to @Ineffable_Mattpoint, isn't that exactly what's in both the aforementioned Arcades, and the Galleria and Tower City? (It is)

 

Is there programming to bring people in? I was only aware of chains being in TC, and the last things I remember at the Galleria were Winking Lizard and a temp Chick-fil-a, both also chains. More broadly, I think the point I was trying to make is that I see the market hall as being an inverse version, where the food is the destination vs the food courts where the shopping at the mall is set up to be the primary destination, and their food is secondary. That's how both of the Arcades seem to me. 

9 minutes ago, PoshSteve said:

 

Is there programming to bring people in? I was only aware of chains being in TC, and the last things I remember at the Galleria were Winking Lizard and a temp Chick-fil-a, both also chains. More broadly, I think the point I was trying to make is that I see the market hall as being an inverse version, where the food is the destination vs the food courts where the shopping at the mall is set up to be the primary destination, and their food is secondary. That's how both of the Arcades seem to me. 

TC was dominated by chains and still has a few, but as you probably know is in the midst of a transformation, but still has a few chains and a few local retailers.

 

Same with the Galleria, up until a few years ago it had small local retailers that replaced the chains that once had locations there.

 

As for the Arcades, specifically the 5th street arcades, there's a diner, Pizza shop, burrito shop and a few other local restaurants mixed in with a few local shops. Outside of the hotel being attached I'm not sure if there is an active organization that tries to bring in festivals and other events to drive traffic like at Van Aken. 

 

This is essentially the same deal with the Old Arcade.

 

Outside of driving programming and it being brand new, how will this differ than the spaces we have downtown already?  Maybe having someone drive activity like in Van Aken is all that's needed, but the physical infrastructure is already there and it's not yet exactly thriving.

49 minutes ago, PoshSteve said:

 

Is there programming to bring people in? I was only aware of chains being in TC, and the last things I remember at the Galleria were Winking Lizard and a temp Chick-fil-a, both also chains. More broadly, I think the point I was trying to make is that I see the market hall as being an inverse version, where the food is the destination vs the food courts where the shopping at the mall is set up to be the primary destination, and their food is secondary. That's how both of the Arcades seem to me. 

Tower city has been doing a lot of events recently. They've been hosting free concerts, there's a magic show coming up, etc. 

Yeah but those are essentially retail shopping centers that have ancillary food establishments. The food halls are all food/programming that may or may not have a few small retailers. 

 

Is there even anything left in the Galleria? 

13 hours ago, PoshSteve said:

Yeah but those are essentially retail shopping centers that have ancillary food establishments. The food halls are all food/programming that may or may not have a few small retailers. 

 

Is there even anything left in the Galleria? 

Not really much, except the bank, the gym and Winking Lizard for now... but then again that's kind of the point. The Galleria is mostly vacant and so is a blank slate. Now more capacity for a similar concept is being added.

 

Hopefully it does well though. Maybe there will be a stronger anchor for the project than some of the existing spaces mentioned above.

Edited November 22, 20213 yr by Mov2Ohio

2 hours ago, Mov2Ohio said:

Not really much, except the bank, the gym and Winking Lizard for now... but then again that's kind of the point. The Galleria is mostly vacant and so is a blank slate. Now more capacity for a similar concept is being added.

 

Hopefully it does well though. Maybe there will be a stronger anchor for the project than some of the existing spaces mentioned above.

Even if you believe the concepts are the same, which they're not, there's still a good amount of variables to consider. 

Is the Galleria actively trying to fill their vacancies with food vendors? No. 
 

Is the Galleria located near a heavily populated section of downtown? No. 
 

Are there a thousand new units about to break ground within a 1-2 block of radius of Euclid Grand? Yes 

 

Edited November 22, 20213 yr by Clefan98

1 minute ago, Clefan98 said:

Even if you believe they are one in the same, which they're not, ask yourself this...

Is the Galleria actively trying to fill their  vacancies with food vendors? No. 
 

Is the Galleria located near a heavily populated section of downtown? No. 
 

Are there a thousand new units about to break ground within a 1-2 block of radius of Euclid Grand? Yes 

 

Okay, then ask yourself the same about TC and the Arcades.

10 minutes ago, Ineffable_Matt said:

Okay, then ask yourself the same about TC and the Arcades.

I did. Neither are relevant or similar to an actual food hall. Maybe try googling food court vs food hall. 
 

also 5th street arcades is doing just fine. 
 

Is your logic that since something (even tho diff) didn't work in the past, we should never try it again?

 

Brilliant. 

9 minutes ago, Clefan98 said:

I did. Neither are relevant or similar to an actual food hall. Maybe try googling food court vs food hall. 
 

also 5th street arcades is doing just fine. 
 

Is your logic that since something (even tho diff) didn't work in the past, we should never try it again?

 

Brilliant. 

It doesn't matter if a food hall is a direct competitor with a food court, because the individual stalls are all in competition with each other, regardless of what framework they are in where. If I get lunch at one place, I didn't get lunch at the other place, so yes, they are in competition. Regardless of how much more hipster-approved a food hall is than a food court. 

Lunch downtown is pretty bland right now. I want more quick grab n go options ($10-15) - the Arcades food courts are lacking (5th St. Arcade is uninspiring, also The Arcade still doesn't have seating inside), Tower City is weak for options, and Galleria might as well be siberia to most of the lunch crowds. I cover a decent amount of downtown on my hour lunch break and it'd be nice to have another space to go into and sit and eat or read or whatever. I don't see how a food hall is a bad thing, maybe it'll spark some innovation in the other spaces.

 

Also tourists would probably be more willing to go there (a destination food spot) vs other more traditional spaces.

Edited November 22, 20213 yr by GISguy

20 minutes ago, Ethan said:

It doesn't matter if a food hall is a direct competitor with a food court, because the individual stalls are all in competition with each other, regardless of what framework they are in where. If I get lunch at one place, I didn't get lunch at the other place, so yes, they are in competition. Regardless of how much more hipster-approved a food hall is than a food court. 

 

Food courts still do not compete with food halls - because they're different! 
 

I would never ever think about going to Tower City's food court even though I live 8min away. However, I've driven 25min to meet friends at the Van Aken food hall, on numerous occasions. 
 

Food Halls most commonly have alcohol, food courts do not. Another huge difference. 

 

This is a unique concept to downtown and will not compete with what's already there.

Edited November 22, 20213 yr by Clefan98

19 minutes ago, Ethan said:

It doesn't matter if a food hall is a direct competitor with a food court, because the individual stalls are all in competition with each other

They won't compete with each other but so what if they did? Competition is good for the market and consumerism as a whole. 

Edited November 22, 20213 yr by Clefan98

3 minutes ago, Clefan98 said:

"Hipster approved" Nice try, boomer.
 

Food courts still do not compete with food halls - because they're different! 
 

I would never and have never been to Tower City's food court even though I live 8min away. However, I've driven 25min to meet friends at the Van Aken's food hall on numerous occasions. 
 

Food Halls most commonly have alcohol, food courts do not. Another huge difference. 

 

This is a different concept and will not compete with what's already downtown. 

Okay, if you say so... I took your advice, and "googled it." From everything you and Google say, it just sounds like a better, upgraded version of a food court.

 

I actually agree that Downtown needs better lunch options, and I'm sort of excited for this new place to go in, but that doesn't change the fact that there are lots of empty stalls in the arcades/TC that could be harder to fill if this goes in.

 

Here's hoping you're right!

 

Also, I do eat at the Tower City food court, someone has to support TC!

9 minutes ago, Ethan said:

Also, I do eat at the Tower City food court, someone has to support TC!

 

Yeah, I guess I just realize there are many other ways to support TC without putting my long-term health in jeopardy. LOL

Edited November 22, 20213 yr by Clefan98

4 minutes ago, Clefan98 said:

 

Yeah, I guess I just realize there are many other ways to support TC without putting my long-term health in jeopardy. LOL

 

But I loved me some Charlie's Subs, which had two locations -- one in the Arcade which was near my office when it was in the City Club Building a decade ago (I miss being there!) and another in Tower City when we moved to TC in 2014.

 

1 hour ago, Clefan98 said:

 

Is the Galleria located near a heavily populated section of downtown? No. 

 

 

That could be changing soon with Erieview Tower and 45 Erieview. And 1717 East 9th seems to be pretty full based on a quick lights-at-night survey.

I also "did my reasearch" and Googled it. It is exactly like a food court, but with local vendors instead of chains. That's great. And, I mentioned earlier, I hope its successful. 

 

 

Heinen’s has some pretty good prepared food options :-) 

1 hour ago, osu4brutus03 said:

Heinen’s has some pretty good prepared food options :-) 

 

They've cut back a lot on the prepared food section since reopening.

Edited November 22, 20213 yr by Clefan98

On 11/21/2021 at 12:08 PM, Ethan said:

Tower city has been doing a lot of events recently. They've been hosting free concerts, there's a magic show coming up, etc. 

Any idea how attendance has been for the events?

46 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said:

Any idea how attendance has been for the events?

I don't have any numbers, nor do I think I could give a good estimate, sorry.  

As director of business development and advocacy at the Downtown Cleveland Alliance, Michael Collier should know if something is coming into the former Geigers. And so should city records but neither is talking...

 

 

3 minutes ago, KJP said:

As director of business development and advocacy at the Downtown Cleveland Alliance, Michael Collier should know if something is coming into the former Geigers. And so should city records but neither is talking...

 

 

Could it be something temporary for the All Star Game?

I hope something is going in there, temporary or not. Walking down Euclid retail between Public Square and 4th has taken a slight hit. Maybe it's Bath and Body Works 😂

On 2/10/2022 at 8:53 PM, freefourur said:

Could it be something temporary for the All Star Game?

 

From the same Twitter thread a couple days later:

 

 

Well a temporary pop up shop is better than an empty storefront but not much better. If it closes shortly after the All Star game then what was the point other than someone making a few bucks off of some visitors? 

 

I was hoping the activity was producing a real store but, really l wasn't expecting that either. I don't think we'll see much retail activity in the area until City Club and the Cenntanial are finished. 

 

Downtown and other neighborhoods are continuing to make real progress but we are climbing out of a decades long in the making very deep hole. Plus Covid and that stupid ass riot set us back several years. It's simply going to take more time but taking into account everything this town's been through l am very optimistic going forward.