I can't wait till Mental Health Line becomes part of the Cleveland lexicon.

It's pretty evident that many of our city leaders absolutely do not have a grand vision for Euclid Ave.

They might have a grand vision, but they sure don't have the patience to see it through. Most politicians think one term at a time anyway, which I suppose is better than many American businesses which think only 90 days at a time. I sure wish America would grow up and start acting like a country that expects to be here in 500 years.

"Especially these days, there are those that may feel that anything is better than nothing," he said. "I have never felt that way. I just never feel that things are bad enough that we should take anything that comes along."

 

I loved this quote. I think it's so true .. and I've heard this exact sentiment echoed on this forum: "Well, it's better than nothing."

 

WRONG. It's not better than nothing. Because what is being built is going to be built for years, if not decades, to come. The decisions that are made today shape a city's future, and if mediocrity is planned for, than mediocrity is what will be sown. Didn't Einstein say the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting something else to result???

 

Cleveland HAS to start demanding more!! Only by breaking this cycle will things begin to change. And why shouldn't it?!? Why do so many Clevelanders think that the city CAN'T demand more?? The poverty mentality needs to be broken.

 

Anything is NOT better than nothing. Cleveland should not be settling for scraps. EVER.

Does anyone know what it would take for a moratorium on building to be declared within the Midtown District for, say, the next two years?  How long would the process be for there to be a judgement passed for this?  I can't trust the city leaders to NOT have subsidized housing, even if for seniors, built on Euclid.  I'll say it- we have enough poor neighborhoods in this city.  DOES EVERY STREET need subsidized housing, or a mental hospital?  Dammit, Midtown deserves better, and has so much more potential than that.  It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that building a mental hospital and subsidized housing on Euclid will hurt future development.

 

Oh well...

The mental hospital is a bad idea... luckily however because there is political interests involved.... if there is enough of a public outlash at the idea I think they'll think twice.  The homeless shelter and senior housing may be the worst idea ever.  Unfortunately because it's all private development, as long as they are meeting all the zoning requirements I think all you can do is let them know emphatically that they aren't welcome and become a thorn in their side and hope they look for a different location.

Why not "give" them a new location? Surely the city has some property it can give! Or is the city worried about setting a precedent?

Oh well, so much for enjoying a boost to property tax receipts from our enormous public investment in Euclid Avenue.

Why not "give" them a new location? Surely the city has some property it can give! Or is the city worried about setting a precedent?

 

This is a question I very much intend on getting an answer to.

 

By the way, I agree with Warren in regards to the fact that the hospital is just a "perception issue"... but um Chris... THAT'S THE PROBLEM.  It IS a perception issue and will keep the type of investment we want to see away whether it's warranted or not.  Wake up!

This is a vivid illustration of just how serious our leadership problem is.  Watch these people squander the entire Euclid Corridor investment with one stroke of a pen.  They also came within moments of running the MM/CC out of town, if you recall.  It is imperative that Frank Jackson and his crew not be re-elected.  In the meantime, we need to identify a suitable alternative.  I will vote for any UO member who runs.  Midtown needs our help, and it appears to be an emergency.

Funny thing is, these proposals are making me rethink my objections to the Opportunity Corridor.  I don't believe all social services should be dumped into hopeless neighborhoods, but this city needs a marquis business corridor to add some visibility to its growing medical industry.  The Opportunity Corridor would provide a nice alternative for less glamorous uses, without sacrificing the transit connectivity and sparkly new infrastructure.

 

Even without the OC in place, I'd think there were plenty of cheaper transit-rich sites available for some of these facilities.  What's going on with the old St. Lukes space?  What about all the underused land at Woodhill/Buckeye/Shaker Blvd (a natural TOD site with great access to retail).  What about the underused land near the E105th rapid station?

Why not "give" them a new location? Surely the city has some property it can give! Or is the city worried about setting a precedent?

 

I hear the City has a stake in a nice swath of land at Chagrin Highlands that is available for development (:

 

I don't have a problem with the Hospital idea.  The patients would be contained and it would add to the healthcare theme.  I'll take the 500 or so healthcare jobs it will bring to the City from the suburbs.  I would not be in favor if it was proposed anywhere east of 55th though.

 

The subsidized housing on the other hand..... you have got to be fvck!ing kidding me!!!!!!!!!!  Frankie J and his team should just wait for his precious opportunity corridor to go up and line it with these projects.

 

 

Why not "give" them a new location? Surely the city has some property it can give! Or is the city worried about setting a precedent?

 

This is a question I very much intend on getting an answer to.

 

By the way, I agree with Warren in regards to the fact that the hospital is just a "perception issue"... but um Chris... THAT'S THE PROBLEM.  It IS a perception issue and will keep the type of investment we want to see away whether it's warranted or not.  Wake up!

 

Couldn't have said it better.  It IS a perception issue.  Dammit, we deal with enough perception issues, on a national level, in this city.  This type of development, along an avenue with all of the great institutions located on it, will only hamper the potential of the street.

Why not "give" them a new location? Surely the city has some property it can give! Or is the city worried about setting a precedent?

 

I hear the City has a stake in a nice swath of land at Chagrin Highlands that is available for development (:

 

I don't have a problem with the Hospital idea. The patients would be contained and it would add to the healthcare theme. I'll take the 500 or so healthcare jobs it will bring to the City from the suburbs. I would not be in favor if it was proposed anywhere east of 55th though.

 

The subsidized housing on the other hand..... you have got to be fvck!ing kidding me!!!!!!!!!! Frankie J and his team should just wait for his precious opportunity corridor to go up and line it with these projects.

 

 

 

I agree completely.  In a vaccum.  The hospital idea is fine.  I mean fact is these places present zero problem... unfortunately they present an extremely negative stigmatism.  An area that has as large a problem attracting investment as midtown has had over the last couple decades can't handle something like that right now.  It would kill future investment before it had a chance to start.  The subsidized and homeless housing on the other hand are really probably the worst ideas I have ever heard.

The issue for me isn't stigma but opportunity cost.  A mental hospital takes up a lot of space without contributing anything to street life.  There's no reason a Midtown resident or visitor would ever want to stop in and check it out.  It'll just be one more 500' fence to walk past.  Plus, hospitals tend to have cafeterias on site to keep their workers safely indoors.  It's in every way the opposite of what the BRT and Midtown Master Plan were created to encourage. 

 

A mental hospital would be great at Madison & Berea.  Or the Trinity site on Detroit Ave near the rapid tracks.  Or in the 55th/Woodland/Kinsman area... anywhere along Kinsman, for that matter.  Or the former St. Michael's hospital site.  Or built as a hi-rise atop the FBI's Lakeside Ave structure.  Or at 55th & I-90, the Howard Johnson site.  Or anywhere in the Randall Park area, including where the mall currently sits.  Someone mentioned Chagrin Highlands, a marvelous idea.  Hospital landscaping will fit right in there.  Each of these locations, other than maybe the last one, could really use the inflow of jobs.  And none of them just got a billion-dollar makeover.     

I agree completely. In a vaccum. The hospital idea is fine. I mean fact is these places present zero problem... unfortunately they present an extremely negative stigmatism. An area that has as large a problem attracting investment as midtown has had over the last couple decades can't handle something like that right now. It would kill future investment before it had a chance to start. The subsidized and homeless housing on the other hand are really probably the worst ideas I have ever heard.

 

I don't disagree that a stigma will accompany the construction of a new mental health hospital.  However, considering its placement, I think the effect on MidTown as a whole will be minimized.  If the Midtown people and the private developers involved are smart, they should be planning to build towards the center, not out from it.  Meaning, I would hope that they would be focusing on those parts of Midtown closest to UC and the CBD before holding out any far-fetched hopes for a gentrification of the area around 55th.  IMHO, that area would only become attractive to residential/retail developers when the areas just east of CSU (including Payne Avenue and Chester) and just west of the Clinic are no longer available/affordable.  And by that time, the hospital should be in full operation and hopefully will have proven any stigma as unwarranted.

 

I do not think that the presence of such a hospital (besides using the land) will have much effect on the creation of industrial parks / tech centers in that part of town.  I only see it providing a temporary detterence for residential and retail in the immediate vicinity of 55th, which, with or without the hospital I don't see happening for quite some time.

 

 

The Midtown Master Plan does not call for industrial parks on Euclid Avenue.  (EDIT: The plan is ambiguous with regard to the NE corner of Euclid at 55th.  The diagram shows a "tech center" fronting and spanning Euclid Ave there, while the street-specific guidelines for Euclid seem to limit it to pedestrian-oriented developments.)

 

A 24-hour transit line is superfluous if everything it serves is specialized, secured, 9-5, and closed to the public.  I know it may seem like urban planning pornography to consider the core of Midtown for residential/mixed development, but that pipe dream is precisely why the BRT wasn't built as an express from downtown to UC.  It has stations in the middle on purpose.  It only pays off if we get human activity along Euclid Avenue.  Otherwise we could have built a rush-hour-express system, like the 55F, and saved tons of money. 

 

Our investment in the EC project, as designed, renders industrial/institutional construction on Euclid Avenue completely out of the question.  So does the Midtown zoning overlay, supposedly.  Was that just a proposal?  Has the Jackson administration officially disowned it?  If not, I would assume we have some incentive to follow it, if for no other reason than the appearance it creates that we can "plan" beyond this afternoon.

 

Sorry... I'm very upset about this, alarmed and disappointed.  I see a once in a generation opportunity that is about to blow up.

Sorry... I'm very upset about this, alarmed and disappointed.  I see a once in a generation opportunity that is about to blow up.

 

I feel your pain.  I don't want to see this city squelch another opportunity to bring this portion of Euclid back to some sort of regional prominence, at the very least.  Besides being a strong business district, this area of the city should have a strong residential base.  There HAS to be a market for market rate residential units on this street... I don't buy that the street can't support anything else besides subsidized housing.

Another way of looking at the impact of a hospital on that site... Lutheran.  It's not a mental facility, it carries no stigma at all, but everyone here recognizes the chilling effect it has on W 25th.  That same stretch of road also tells us something about public housing placement.  There can and will be a market for market-rate housing on Euclid, but that market is dependent on neighborhood amenities.  Fill in all the spaces with dead zones, like Applied HQ or the Red Cross motor pool, and our chance to build those amenities evaporates.   

 

If any kind of new destination neighborhood is to develop along Euclid in Midtown, it probably needs to happen in that 50s-60s area.  At 71st you're practically in Fairfax, which has already been developed as a suburb.  The stuff around 71st (Baker, Victory, the mosque) should serve as a buffer between suburban Fairfax and all the new Midtown development-- which needs to be 100% urban.

This passage from University Circle's website answers a number of my questions.  Midtown Inc and UCI only provide "assistance" to City Planning.  This indicates that the Midtown Master Plan has zero teeth and is really just a suggestion.  Thus, nobody at city hall is bound by anything, except a municipal zoning code designed for the anti-urban era we're trying to leave behind.     

 

http://www.universitycircle.org/uci.aspx?page=28

 

"Beginning in February, 2009, the City of Cleveland has determined that the 18 local design review committees will be consolidated into 6 new regions, plus a 7th for Downtown and the Airport. The University Circle Design District will be merged with the Midtown Business Revitalization District and will be referred to as the Euclid Corridor Design Review Region. The new region will be managed by the City Planning Department, with assistance from UCI and Midtown. The new coverage area will also include land between E. 79th and E. 105th, along Cedar, Carnegie, Euclid, and Chester Avenues that was not previously covered by a design review body."

 

We need major government reform in this city and we need it yesterday.  Not only are the wrong people running the show, they're using the wrong rules to do it.

Well I think it would be pretty difficult right now to just start throwing market rate housing and entertainment up at 55th, or should I see to find developers / investors willing to do it.  I loved the mid town technology park idea it looked like an excellent development that fit the biomed business we are trying to grow.  Start growing some employment there and market rate housing becomes much more realistic.  At any rate I'm pretty sure everyone agrees that this seems like a pretty bad idea.  Rather than screaming about it on urban ohio I hope everyone is taking the time to inform those in the administration of your view point.  Like I said, the subsidized housing / homeless apartments are a significantly worse idea but will be much more difficult to do anything about.  The hospital should be pretty easy.  Politicians like to get re-elected.  If enough people tell them they don't like something, magically they listen.  There has to be another spot for this place.

 

And I'm sure it goes without saying, but berating these people and telling them their idiots pretty much assures your emails or phone calls carry no weight.  Polite, well thought out statements from voters or potential voters can make a big impact.

 

edit:  I just don't understand how we went from this about a week ago http://www.medcitynews.com/index.php/2009/06/cleveland-considers-a-cluster-health-care-technology-and-can-it-be-done/  to what we heard on sunday...

And I'm sure it goes without saying, but berating these people and telling them their idiots pretty much assures your emails or phone calls carry no weight.  Polite, well thought out statements from voters or potential voters can make a big impact.

 

Fear not.  I'm on it.  You're absolutely right about how the letters should look.  I'm hoping that my commentary here results in at least one more letter besides my own.

 

It sounds like now would be a good time to seriously discuss, as a city and a region, what our plans for Euclid Avenue ought to be... we seem to have two mutually exclusive options on the table.  I find it odd that so little of this discussion has taken place so far.  We have the 3-year road project finished and we're still shooting wildly in the dark. 

 

For the record, the intersection of 55th and Euclid already has a "World Famous" entertainment venue as well as successful market-rate housing.  So if we're questioning whether these things would work there, the answer is they have already worked there for a very long time, and they're suddenly being treated like chopped liver, in our mad rush to build anything we can preface with Bio.

 

I don't see a situation where additional employment centers are needed in the Euclid Corridor.  That's because going 2 miles in either direction from 55th puts you in one of the region's two largest employment centers, both of which notably lack appropriate housing.  So the need in that particular area would seem to be housing, of the type that might attract the thousands of people already employed nearby in both directions, and the immediate answer to "what do we have to work with here?" would seem to be entertainment.

 

As far as Bio-Clustering, there are 3 major streets running parallel to Euclid, as well as the proposed Opportunity Corridor, to put that along.  Basically, put that stuff anywhere except on Euclid.  The delivery drivers serving all the Bio-stuff will thank us for it, because Euclid is not set up for them.  Euclid has been redesigned, at great cost, for pedestrian-friendly TOD.  Please let's do that.  If it means a few more years of vacant lots, I would call that a small price to pay.

mixed use my friend mixed use.  there is room for something like the midtown technology center and market rate housing and entertainment.  Agora could be a wonderful anchor but it is just a concert venue.  I'm not sure what market rate housing your speaking of in the area, though I know there is a public housing project just north of 55th.  There would need to be a tremendous amount of development to take place in that area to lure mass amounts of market rate residents at that intersection.  And again, I think you'll find it very difficult getting anyone to make that large of an investment in that specific area at this time... not even mentioning current economic conditions.

More employment centers are great, especially when stacked atop retail and below residential! Like McCleveland said: mixed use. Makes for round-the-clock activity. Stack 'em, pack 'em and rack 'em!

Somebody above said that Midtown is likely to develop from the outsides in.  I agree that's most likely, but not necessarily best for Midtown or for the city.  That's an awful long stretch to just "fill in" as the thread title indicates.  But "fill in" is exactly what we've done, and now half of these new BRT stops exist only to serve whoever works at the recently-built private thing on either side of the street.  And these private things tend to have private parking and hire from the burbs, so it's not like a whole lot of these individuals are using these shiny new bus stops.  I would hesitate to put any more private workplaces on Euclid, any at all.  I don't care if there's 10,000 people working there, none of them are ever going to be outside, and there's already too much of that on Euclid as it is.  We're going for street life on Euclid, so it needs to be open for visitors. 

 

My main concern is that I'm not sure how well major biotech operations fit in with what we understand as mixed use.  I mean I don't see them sharing a site, let alone a structure, with dense residential or with anything we understand as night life.  Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think one area is really marketable as both, and for this one I have a preference.

 

This area around 55th presents our only opportunity to get a cool new neighborhood out of the Euclid Corridor project.  I'm not counting the Uptown project because, though it's awesome, UC is already a going concern and we're talking about redeveloping empty space.  This empty space is close enough to a major nightlife anchor to support additional after-5 businesses, and to entice certain classes of residents.  It already has a thrift store and a grocery store, both right there on Euclid, both right by this site. 

 

In addition to UC and downtown workers, there are two universities nearby, both on the new bus line, which lack student neighborhoods.  Case has some, needs more; CSU has none and really wants it.  Finishing out the core of Midtown like a Coventry or a denser Waterloo would fill a glaring need for two universities, it would make the BRT investment seem a lot more worthwhile, and it would give Midtown a solid identity of its own.  It would also create some entry-level jobs so lacking in this part of town.  Cleveland Clininc provides tons of employment, but not necessarily for people currently living near it.  Plus, building a happy fun district here does nothing to preclude us from clustering the hi-tech installations anywhere else we want, while the happy fun district isn't nearly as suitable for any other open site in town.  I'm saying let's have both.  Isn't that the best possible outcome?   

^There is about 2 miles of Euclid between the innerbelt and the Clinic, so my first reaction is that there is plenty of room for both housing/retail and biotech.  But I would feel much better saying that if the Clinic hadn't done such a poor, poor job with the stretch between the E80s and Stokes.  I'm guessing that the sites with the very low density non profits on the north side of Euclid around E105 would have been a much easier sell to developers (residential or commercial) than the wasteland between E55th and E79th.

 

On another note, the PD article mentioned that one of the subsidized residential projects would mean the demo of two blighted apartment buildings, which I'm guessing refer to these:

http://maps.google.com/maps/mm?ie=UTF8&hl=en&ll=41.503981,-81.637259&spn=0,359.986181&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=41.503996,-81.637363&panoid=Ac3d5FmPndZYPTcCaDxa6w&cbp=12,168.7,,0,-15.96

:(

 

On another note, the PD article mentioned that one of the subsidized residential projects would mean the demo of two blighted apartment buildings, which I'm guessing refer to these:

http://maps.google.com/maps/mm?ie=UTF8&hl=en&ll=41.503981,-81.637259&spn=0,359.986181&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=41.503996,-81.637363&panoid=Ac3d5FmPndZYPTcCaDxa6w&cbp=12,168.7,,0,-15.96

:(

 

Delightful.  Now downtown will have a much better view of the McDonalds on 79th.

Man, we've already knocked over too much on Euclid Ave already this year...

I don't think that's what they were refering to.  Those are the Victory Buildings no?  Weren't those in discussion for renovation in the previous article?

It is in fact those two apartment buildings (Eton & Rugby Buildings)... It should be noted that it's the warrensville heights developer that wants to tear those down for his subsidized housing plan.  This is the plan midtown strongly opposes.

For anyone interested in writing letters re: the proposed development of the mental health hospital, homeless shelter, and senior housing, the councilpeople that are allowing this to happen are: Councilwoman Cleveland ([email protected]), Councilwoman Mitchell ([email protected]), and Councilman Dow ([email protected]).  You may also want to write to Councilman Cimperman ([email protected]) because his district ends very close to where these proposed developments are slated to take place.

 

Happy letter writing!

Thank you for putting those names and contacts out there, Three Cent Fare, and welcome to the board!  We hope to hear more from you!

I don't think that's what they were refering to.  Those are the Victory Buildings no?  Weren't those in discussion for renovation in the previous article?

 

I think this is the Victory building, no?  It's massive.

http://maps.google.com/maps/mm?ie=UTF8&hl=en&t=h&layer=c&cbll=41.50415,-81.640405&panoid=lfeZpcW1ICNKDIfGKKq54A&cbp=12,140.43,,0,-17.8&ll=41.503965,-81.638932&spn=0,359.990473&z=17

 

Does anyone know the condition of the Eton & Rugby?  I hated it as much as anyone, but accepted that the awesome strip demoed earlier this year was just too far gone for anything close to an economical project.  Eton & Rugby are obviously open to the elements, but one hopes those brick walls are sturdy enough for some new action.

 

One other helpful datapoint would be some sense of the footprint the new psych hospital would require (assuming some competent site planning).  I'd prefer it to be located somewhere else in the city, near a rapid stop, but I think I could be OK with it at the proposed site if it were decently designed (a long shot) and if there was more certainty about room for market rate residential and commercial development further east of there and west of 55th.

Actually, because I know there never seems to be enough time in the day, if anyone is interested, I'd be more than happy to post a copy of the letter I sent to use as a template.  If we flood their inboxes, hopefully something positive will happen.

Actually, because I know there never seems to be enough time in the day, if anyone is interested, I'd be more than happy to post a copy of the letter I sent to use as a template. If we flood their inboxes, hopefully something positive will happen.

 

Go for it!

Here it is.  Hope it helps.

 

Dear [insert councilman/woman’s] name],

 

After reading Sunday's Plain Dealer article discussing the development of a regional mental health hospital, and subsidized homeless and senior housing on Euclid Avenue in the Midtown District, I felt compelled to write you on the issue. Quite simply, if we want to see Euclid Avenue return to form as one of America's premier boulevards, we cannot allow the proposed developments to proceed.  Though the services that such developments will provide are certainly needed in our city, it is unnecessary to place them in the Euclid Corridor -- a district on the verge of reclaiming its status as one of the premier areas for urban life in the United States. 

 

An institutional building like a mental health hospital will do little to increase the amount of foot traffic along Euclid Avenue's sidewalks and increase ridership on the Health Line.  A stroll through the heart of the Cleveland Clinic's campus clearly illustrates this -- though a powerful economic force, the Clinic's campus does not have a great deal of pedestrian activity, which the Euclid Corridor project was supposed to stimulate. 

 

I also oppose the proposed development of subsidized housing on Euclid Avenue, but for other reasons.  The Euclid Corridor project was done for many reasons, one of which was to increase private investment on Euclid Ave.  I am fairly certain that none of the Corridor's planners hoped for his/her work to lead to government subsidized private investment.  Instead, we all hoped for new business, market-rate housing, restaurants, entertainment venues, etc.  More than just refurbishing a bus line, we hoped that the project would reinvigorate a once-great, world renowned boulevard by recreating Euclid Ave.’s urban character.  But instead of continuing with this long-term agenda, it seems that we are latching onto a "develop whatever, now" attitude that will surely result in the Euclid Corridor failing to live up to its lofty expectations.

 

There is plenty of empty, development-ready land on the city's east side.  I ask you to ask yourself and all relevant decisionmakers -- Do we really want to make the Euclid Corridor a social services district or do we want to make a thriving live-work-play district that our leaders envisioned only a few years ago?  One will grow the city's tax base, the other will not.  One will enlarge the government's role in Cleveland's rebirth, while the other will force private citizens to take hold of their community.  And finally, one requires patience -- something our city seems to be in short supply of -- and the other requires --- well, the type of short-sighted decisions that have required us to rely on projects such as the Euclid Corridor and the Medical Mart for economic rebirth.  I hope that you will do the right thing and stand with us who fear that the city is on the verge of squandering a great opportunity to ensure its success for generations to come.  We can remake Euclid Ave. into a vibrant urban thoroughfare, but it will take time.  I now ask that you please take the time to examine this issue and the future implications of the above-mentioned developments for our city’s economic future. 

 

Thank you for your time.  Please feel free to contact me if you would like to discuss this further.

 

Sincerely,

 

[insert name & address]

That's a nice one.

Does anyone know the latest status regarding the proposed restoration of the Schofield Building (Euclid/E. 9th) facade?  Who is behind it and should one expect something to go on this year?  I know the owners already removed some modern panels, to determine the condition of the old materials, and then returned them.  Actually I'm sorry they put them back; I'd love to see what it looked like underneath.  Yes, I know, someone posted a few photos somewhere in UrbanOhio but I'd like to see the building myself....

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,19154.30.html

Yes, that's the thread I've seen.  Okay, I see this info. is pretty recent.  Thanks!  Actually, most of the facades that remain around there are the originals.  A good share of the downtown buildings that had had their facades remuddled after WWII have come down, as they were usually the smaller buildings which were gradually replaced by more substantial buildings.

yes.  contracts have been awarded for facade removal. though i wouldn't expect to see actual restoration work to begin probably until next year some time.

I just found out that Housing Credits were awarded (by the State of Ohio's Ohio Housing Finance Agency) for senior housing at East 73rd Street (by PIRHL Developers & Famicos Foundation) and permanent supportive housing at East 75th Street (by Cleveland Housing Network & EDEN) via a competitive process.  With the funding, it looks like both projects are in a very favorable position to move forward.

 

Here are the results, posted within the last hour.

That is a major disappointment.  The stretch from 71st to 79th was the ONLY PART of Euclid Avenue that had been set aside for mixed use neighborhood.  Two senior housing projects on that stretch might put a nail in it.  Midtown Inc wants the rest of the street to be a business park, so at this point I doubt there will be any significant pedestrian development on the Euclid Corridor... ever.  We built it as a hospital shuttle and that's it.  Nice going.

So many on here have such great passion for re-establishing the avenue as something it could be...and should be, as described in the above letter. It would be a waste to have all the voices canned up on a forum. let them be heard...flood the powers that be with letters and steer the ship properly. I hope I have not been alone in sounding off to them several times about issues like this. Just as it would be a waste to waste the true cultural potential of Euclid...so would it be to waste the intelligent voices of UO. Fire away!

Euclid Ave. was primed for economic growth -- until City Hall got involved

by Thomas Bier

Sunday July 26, 2009, 5:00 AM

 

 

Bier is an executive in residence at the Center for Housing Research and Policy at the Levin College of Urban Affairs, Cleveland State University...

 

http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index.ssf/2009/07/euclid_ave_was_primed_for_econ.html

A bit dramatic, but pretty much sums up a lot of the feelings of the board

A bit dramatic, but pretty much sums up a lot of the feelings of the board

 

I think they would have a hard time getting anything BUT low-income / affordable housing in that area.

perhaps in 2009, but the idea of restoring Euclid Ave is that it would grow and be the spine of a new city.  Now that the actual street has been rebuilt it was left up to the city leaders to make wise choices that will enable the street to live up to its potential.

Its seems like the city did not even try

perhaps in 2009, but the idea of restoring Euclid Ave is that it would grow and be the spine of a new city.  Now that the actual street has been rebuilt it was left up to the city leaders to make wise choices that will enable the street to live up to its potential.

Its seems like the city did not even try

 

Sorry I don't buy that as "Euclid Avenue" is not a completed project.  One phase/portion is done, transit.

A bit dramatic, but pretty much sums up a lot of the feelings of the board

 

Bier is very dramatic and very much the pessimist. He's correct on this one, but his delivery can be a little over the top.