What new one-story buildings are there?  Since the Aldi's that is.  Not saying there aren't any, I just can't recall any.

Yeah, I thought most new construction was 3-4 stories.

I mentioned in particular a pair of RTA facilities.  One just west of 55th and one east, both on the north side of Euclid.  I don't think the gyro place or the bunker-like deserted mini-plaza immedately west of 55th are all that old either.  There are also a couple of recently-built religious institutions that seem out of place, scale wise, compared to the more historical ones nearby.  I also mentioned the Red Cross facility.  It's closer to 36th and is more than two stories tall, but it has a huge setback and most of its footprint is a surface lot for truck storage.  Looks like it belongs on Richmond or Rockside.

There are a couple of buildings on Euclid for sale/lease around E.71st and E.66th streets that are 4 and 7 stories high.  Hopefully each of those buildings will be renovated and filled up instead of being torn down and something smaller built in their place.  That area of Euclid seems to be turning out nicely, with its proximity to the Clinic and the new MidTown Tech Park getting closer to completion.

 

Some areas do seem to need more attention than others, but it's good to see signs of life slowly coming back to Euclid!!!    :clap:  :clap:

Just after my last post, I found this article  -  http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2011/06/midtown_cleveland_inc_announce.html

So I guess that the building on Euclid and E.71st is going to be renovated and kept as a 7 story building!!!

 

MidTown Cleveland Inc. announces expansion plans

 

MidTown Cleveland Inc. on Thursday announced new plans to renovate several buildings along Euclid Avenue for research and office space.

 

The second phase of the MidTown Tech Park, a $21 million project at 6700 Euclid Ave., was unveiled during the group's annual meeting at the InterContinental Hotel.

 

Plans include renovating a vacaant 40,000-square-foot building at 7000 Euclid Ave. directly across from the MidTown project. MidTown Cleveland, an economic development corporation, is also working with Hemingway Development on a plan to redevelop the Cleveland Agora building along Euclid.

 

I mentioned in particular 2 RTA facilities.  There are also a couple of recently-built religious institutions that seem out of place, scale wise, especially compared to the more historical ones nearby.

 

The RTA garages are an eyesore for sure.

I wonder what the plan for the Agora building is. 

 

From the article:

 

"A second phase means that the MidTown Tech Park project is a success in only one year," said Executive Director James Haviland. "We're going to create additional renovated research and office space in what is becoming a campus on Euclid Ave."

 

I don't think anyone had the term "campus" in mind when we invested so much in the Euclid Corridor.  Unless you were actually in charge of it, in which case that's what you've had in mind all along.

 

I wonder what the plan for the Agora is.

 

My heart says residential artist colony/performance venue.

I'm guessing they close it off from the public, the theater becomes a private indoor cafeteria for some tech firm, and the marquee goes into storage alongside Chief Wahoo.  The lot next to it never gets developed because that's parking for the tech firm.

 

I'm guessing they close it off from the public, the theater becomes a private indoor cafeteria for some tech firm, and the marquee goes into storage alongside Chief Wahoo.  The lot next to it never gets developed because that's parking for the tech firm.

 

Steve Popovich would turn over in his grave!

It's all one giant, GD conspiracy!!  We were duped!!

I'm guessing they close it off from the public, the theater becomes a private indoor cafeteria for some tech firm, and the marquee goes into storage alongside Chief Wahoo.  The lot next to it never gets developed because that's parking for the tech firm.

 

Steve Popovich would turn over in his grave!

 

He had offices in the building a few years back.

I haven't heard anything about changes being made to the Agora??  Hopefully it'll always remain a music venue!!!

 

I would think that the vacant lots between Chester and Euclid between the new MidTown Tech Park and E.55th street would be an excellent area to continue the Tech Park development.  If those vacant lots are developed that whole area could be considered a Tech "campus".

I'm guessing they close it off from the public, the theater becomes a private indoor cafeteria for some tech firm, and the marquee goes into storage alongside Chief Wahoo.  The lot next to it never gets developed because that's parking for the tech firm.

 

Steve Popovich would turn over in his grave!

 

He had offices in the building a few years back.

 

Thus why I said that.............. 

From what i've heard it, it will remain a music venue. Im not sure exactly what they are changing but they expect business to pick up afterwards.

It's all one giant, GD conspiracy!!  We were duped!!

 

I wouldn't say anyone was duped.  Nothing secretive has taken place.  But there have been some debatable decisions made in planning out the revitalization of this corridor, going back well before the BRT project began.  And many of those decisions have been made not by private developers but by entities answerable to the public.  Even private development decisions are steered by public policies-- from zoning codes to financial incentives to infrastructure-- and we may want to look over these policies before Euclid Avenue has been completely filled in.  And I would suggest we're already a lot closer to that filled-in point than some may assume. 

^I think the damage is already done. There's no way that Euclid will live up to its potential in our lifetimes. We won't see a true mixed use neighborhood arise from the ashes in midtown. It seems as though that was not what the plan for the area was, though the infrastructure in place would under normal circumstances call for a different type of development. As far as midtown is concerned, that ship has already sailed.

 

And we are definitely close to being filled in without the demo of some of the older structures on the street.

Wow. How did this thread so quickly go from discussing some positive developments along this corridor to dumping on it?

^Rhetorical?

 

^^That's because it was never realistic to see a vibrant 3.5 mile, 500 foot wide strip of mixed use development pop up out of the ashes.  TPTB certainly have not batted 1.000 in terms of all the decisions that have been made, but pragmatism thankfully has not been disregarded.

 

^^^I disagree.  There is still PLENTY of space to fill..... enough for decades of development..... particularly the type of dense development you are hoping for.  Sit back and think about how long and what type of dedication and investment it would take to fill in just ONE block with the type of mixed use you want.  For instance, consider the empty lot near 55th and Euclid.  Think about how long 4th street took to fill in with mixed use.

 

Also, there seems to be this misconception that whatever is being built can never be changed if the market demands a better use.  Not true.

Wow. How did this thread so quickly go from discussing some positive developments along this corridor to dumping on it?

 

I'm not down with that!

 

I love what I'm seeing going down on Euclid. Would like to see some of those abandon buildings between Playhouse Square and E.9th get renovated, but I'm confident time will see those buildings are put to good use!

Wow. How did this thread so quickly go from discussing some positive developments along this corridor to dumping on it?

 

I'm not down with that!

 

I love what I'm seeing going down on Euclid. Would like to see some of those abandon buildings between Playhouse Square and E.9th get renovated, but I'm confident time will see those buildings are put to good use!

 

Look around in the other thread here in this part of the forum, you'll see information.

It's all one giant, GD conspiracy!!  We were duped!!

 

I wouldn't say anyone was duped.  Nothing secretive has taken place.  But there have been some debatable decisions made in planning out the revitalization of this corridor, going back well before the BRT project began.  And many of those decisions have been made not by private developers but by entities answerable to the public.  Even private development decisions are steered by public policies-- from zoning codes to financial incentives to infrastructure-- and we may want to look over these policies before Euclid Avenue has been completely filled in.  And I would suggest we're already a lot closer to that filled-in point than some may assume. 

 

I think I misinterpreted "recent" in the beginning of this discussion.  The Aldis and Mormon Church (I think it's Mormon) were build just before the new zoning went into effect.  The horrible drug store at 79th is just outside of the zoning overlay.  I think all three are pretty bad, though at least the Aldis an Mormon Church made gestures toward the sidewalk and aren't set back behind parking.

 

The RTA facilities long predate the healthline.  I guess you could argue that it should have been clear even back then that someday the corridor project would come together and that RTA should have never even considered those sites, even though they were no doubt cheap and operationally ideal, but that seems like a stretch.  In any case, a couple years ago RTA announced they would move their paratransit facility off the corridor to allow that site's redevelopment (though they don't seem to have done much since then to advance it...probably because they haven't been overwhelmed by any offers).  So per Hts' point, this stuff isn't all permanent.

 

And really, if we're going to talk about questionable land use planning on the corridor, I'm still going to point fingers first at the Cleveland Clinic and the non-profits that built facilities on its land (esp. Ronald McDonald House) for pretty poor use of one of the most prime parts of the whole corridor.  Great orgs, but that is a whole lot of lawn along the corridor, and much of that probably is permanent.

 

EDIT: to me, this is the most frustrating intersection along the whole corridor: http://bit.ly/jmdro2

If I recall, RTA had a potential user for the paratransit bus garage on Euclid shortly before the credit markets froze in 2008. Perhaps someone with a better memory can clarify or correct this.

I just remembered that according to an impeccable source upthread, this:

 

Interesting you mention the RTA bus garage at 46th street.  Back in 2007 RTA said it would move its paratransit operations to another garage in Brooklyn so it could sell that Euclid Ave facility for TOD.  Since then it's apparently changed it's mind and is now rehabbing that garage, so looks like we're stuck with it.  Not sure why they changed course, but they may have been disappointed by what they though a buyer would pay for it.

 

So yeah, disappointing.

Good call on the RMc House.  Most of the corridor frontage is either lawn or fence, which is a travesty.  And whle I understand that anything could eventually come down, many of the offending structures here are relatively recent and not likely to disappear in the foreseeable future.  I do recall RTA saying they'd move one or both of those garages... the sooner the better. 

 

And it shouldn't take a fancy zoning overlay to prevent things like that 79th St CVS from happening.  Lakewood has done a good job integrating those into their streetscapes.  Why can't Cleveland?  Everything from 79th east is a joke-- a suburban plaza with adjacent tract housing that fronts Euclid with a linear parking lot.  All of it pretty much new.  Block after block of fences and parking along Main Street.  There's no excuse for it.  City leaders tout these developments as signs of rebirth.  To me they're abortions, wiping out pedestrian street life for a generation.  Sometimes nothing is better than something, if that something is just plain wrong.

Here you go again.  Many of those things were built prior to the ECP!

many of the offending structures here are relatively recent and not likely to disappear in the foreseeable future. 

 

Nor was Michigan Ave. likely to appear but for their construction.  What we got might not be ideal, but it is better than abandoned lots and empty structures.  Remember, the City leaders are not trying to convince YOU to invest in the Corridor.... they are trying to convince the people that actually have the funds and will to actively engage in development.  These people will be more enticed by present day Euclid Ave. than by 1990's Euclid Ave.

Here you go again.  Many of those things were built prior to the ECP!

 

Right.  I made that point above.  But regardless of the exact sequence of things, the planning has been disjointed to say the least.  We built a new transit line on a street that's increasingly set up as anti-TOD.  Some of that took place before the transit line, some since.  That once-planned mental hospital, for example, was decidedly not TOD.  If that's TOD then so is the entire CCF campus.  But the city pushed hard for it and considered it a centerpiece of the street's redevelopment post-ECP. 

 

And no, Hts121, I don't think they were gonna tear down their new mental hospital if someone decided there was housing demand for that site 5 years later.  To a large extent, for purposes of our functional lives, what's done is done.  I do not subscribe to the idea that bad planning is an effectve placeholder for good planning.  We do not have to build bad things in order to build good things.  And developers always prefer open lots.  That's a big reason why we have sprawl.  So no, I really don't think we should just throw up whatever for the sake of doing so.

'We' are not just "throwing up whatever"..... 'we' are building structures which have market demand now and for the FORESEEABLE future.  And good thing we have PLENTY of open lots for these developers to snatch up (whenever they are ready to do so).  You need to take a ride on South Blvd in Charlotte (along the new light rail Lynx line) for a good example of how the types of TOD developments you want to see can mix with the types of development which you think will ruin any chance of development in the future.  And you need to understand that until you see your desired mixed use developments saturate the downtown and UC areas, you will NOT see them popping up in midtown.  It's fun to imagine, though.  I will give you that.

Alright, folks.  This thread is for project news and discussion.  It is not for droning on endlessly about what we'd personally like Euclid Ave. to look like.

Repeat: I know the heavily fire-damaged western half of Erie Square was scheduled for demolition, but as it still stands does anyone know if it might actually be saved and be rebuilt?  I hope so!

This blurb says the west section will be "rebuilt."  That would be great! :clap:

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/06/housing_network_seeks_donation.html

Glad to hear it!

The Emerald Alliance project looks to be almost finished:

 

Wow! Looks great. I knew NOTHING about that project, but I think i drove by it yesterday. What's it for?

^ Here's your answer:

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/projects/detail.php?ID=37

^ Here's your answer:

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/projects/detail.php?ID=37

 

Thanks! Was thinking maybe it'd be a place for Joe, but glad to hear it's for a good cause, nonetheless!

You might want to try the Uptown apartments: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,11359.540.html

Joe, now don't be referring to yourself in third person!!  :-D I hate that!!  :whip:

 

Here's a post I wrote in December and updated a few times. Probably needs more updating. But this at least orients people to the various projects with addresses on or properties touching Euclid....

 

 

From downtown to the East Cleveland line, here is what I'm aware of and/or have questions about that is proposed, planned, under construction/renovation or built/renovated in the last 12 months:

 

> Anything in the East 4th area?

 

> Schofield Building, SW Corner East 9th, Rehab into 140-room Kimpton Hotel hotel, 24 apartments, and ground-floor restaurant; $40 million, PARTIALLY FUNDED.

 

> Breuer Tower/Cleveland Trust Rotunda, SE corner East 9th, Rehab into hundreds of residential units and/or hotel units. SUSPENDED.

 

> Truman Building, 1030 Euclid, Rehab into 20 apartments; $12 million (includes neighboring Security Federal Building), PARTIALLY FUNDED.

 

> Security Federal, 1110 Euclid, Rehab into offices; cost is part of neighboring Truman Building rehab, UNDERWAY.

 

> John Hartness Brown Buildings, 1001-1101 Euclid Ave., Rehab three adjoining buildings into hotel; $55 million, PLANNED.

 

> Cleveland Athletic Club, 1118-1148 Euclid, Rehab into athletic facilities, apartments, etc.; $43 million, PROPOSED.

 

> Cowell & Hubbard, 1309 Euclid, Rehab into offices and educational facilities, with Kent State University's Cleveland Urban Design Collaborative the first tenant; unknown investment, UNDERWAY.

 

> Woolworth Building, 1317 Euclid, Rehab into offices and ground-floor restaurant; $4 million, UNDERWAY.

 

> Allen Theater, 1519 Euclid, Overhaul from a 2,500-seat theater to a three-venue, 1,000-seat complex for the Cleveland Play House; $30 million, UNDERWAY.

 

> Union Building, 1836 Euclid, Rehab into 71,000 square feet of offices, 6,000 square feet of retail and indoor parking in two connected buildings; PARTIALLY FUNDED.

 

> College Town Plaza, 1900 Euclid, demolition of structure and creation of pedestrian promenade through to Prospect Ave; UNDERWAY.

 

> CSU Student Center, 2100-2200 Euclid, New construction; $44 million, COMPLETED IN 2010.

 

> Euclid Commons, 2300-2600 Euclid, five-building CSU dorms and parking garage for 380 students; $65 million, UNDERWAY.

 

> CSU College of Education and Human Services, 2500 Euclid, New construction; $36 million, COMPLETED IN 2010.

 

> Ohio Department of Mental Health Hospital, 5500-6300 Euclid, New construction of 300-bed, 500-employee hospital; $84 million, PLANNED FOR OPENING IN 2014.

 

> Pierre's Ice Cream, 6200 Euclid, Expansion of plant; $8 million, UNDERWAY.

 

> Midtown Tech Park, 6900 Euclid, New construction of 128,000 square foot office building; $28 million, UNDERWAY.

 

> Euclid Corridor Senior Housing, 7300-7400 Euclid, New construction of 4-story, 48-unit senior housing/demolition of two vacant apartment towers; $??, UNDERWAY.

 

> Emerald Alliance V, 7515 Euclid, New construction of 4-story, 70-unit subsidized housing on vacant land on north side of street; $11 million, UNDERWAY.

 

> I thought there was something else planned in this gap?

 

> University Hospitals Center for Emergency Medicine, 11100 Euclid, Expansion, renovation and redesign to increase visibility from Euclid; $45 million, UNDERWAY.

 

> University Hospitals Cancer Center, 11200 Euclid, New construction of 375,000 square foot building; $250 million, COMPLETED IN 2010.

 

> Cleveland Museum of Contemporary Art, NE corner of Mayfield, New construction of its first permanent home; $27 million, UNDERWAY.

 

> Uptown, 11300-11600 Euclid, New construction of 434 housing units, 150,000-227,000 sf retail, 90,000 sf hotel and 58,000 sf office space; $300 million, UNDERWAY.

 

> Cleveland Institute of Art, 11600 Euclid, Expansion; $50 million, UNDERWAY???

 

> Circle 118 townhomes, NE corner of East 118th, New construction of 17 luxury townhomes; $8 million, UNDERWAY.

 

> 27 Coltman townhouses, SW corner of Coltman Ave., New construction of 27 luxury townhouses; $10 million, UNDERWAY.

 

 

UPDATED DECEMBER 16, 2010

Joe, now don't be referring to yourself in third person!!  :-D I hate that!!  :whip:

 

 

Punchin' Pat hates that too

 

:)

Oy!!

They had that on Seinfeld.  Sicko.

 

Does anyone have an idea when that renovation/restoration project just to the east of Dunham Tavern is set to begin?  Someone wrote at least one restaurant is to be included.  That seems sort of odd at that location.  What sort of restaurant? 

 

That whole area from E. 66th east to E. 79th is really picking up quickly - just what it needs! Now that the bldg. around E. 69th is coming down, does anyone know what's going on with the projects by E. 71st - 7000 and 7100?

 

Will the addition to Pierre's ever be colored the same as the buildings to the west? Sort of looks unfinished in a different (off-white) tone....

Will the addition to Pierre's ever be colored the same as the buildings to the west? Sort of looks unfinished in a different (off-white) tone....

 

Are you saying it looks too.... vanilla?

Will the addition to Pierre's ever be colored the same as the buildings to the west? Sort of looks unfinished in a different (off-white) tone....

 

Are you saying it looks too.... vanilla?

 

Some were talking about the Agora, the Agora is going to remain a club, they have shows booked and will keep on. They did sell (or are going to sell) a portion that consists of where the current entrance is. The entrance used to be in another spot, that old spot will be re-made into the entrance. I'm not sure what the plans are for the sold part of the building but from what I hear the owner is being very particular and may have some sort of say in what it ultimately becomes.

What's this in the list about "demolition" of 1900 Euclid?  Some portion in the back?  There are new businesses there and many living there so I should hope to heck there isn't some zealous developer who wants to tear the whole structure down!!!....

No, CIA's addition is not "underway."

What's this in the list about "demolition" of 1900 Euclid?  Some portion in the back?  There are new businesses there and many living there so I should hope to heck there isn't some zealous developer who wants to tear the whole structure down!!!....

No, CIA's addition is not "underway."

 

Where do you see that?

And im guessing/hoping its just demolition of the part of the eastern wall to add either windows or entrances into the new plaza next door.

I believe that the old Best Gyro building, which has been gone for a year.

.... "College Town Plaza, 1900 Euclid, demolition of structure and creation of pedestrian promenade through to Prospect Ave; UNDERWAY."

 

In KJP's listing above....

 

 

It's already done.  It is now the new plaza/promenade/whatever right next to the 1900 lofts