April 2, 201411 yr Council not approving final agreements on this hotel yet makes me a bit nervous. I thought everything was fast-track full speed ahead. Anyone else, or am I just paranoid?
April 2, 201411 yr I would rather an extra minute or three be spent scrutinizing the use of taxpayer dollars, instead of full speed ahead and then "oh, well... about that little overrun...". clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
April 2, 201411 yr They laid down some engineered fill over either a vapor barrier or a geo-textile fabric. and erection of a crane has started... https://www.instagram.com/cle_and_beyond/https://www.instagram.com/jbkaufer/
April 11, 201411 yr Things are moving along - I noticed the red crane sections on the ground in the background; it's waaay too early for us to see a tower crane, right? clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
April 11, 201411 yr Things are moving along - I noticed the red crane sections on the ground in the background; it's waaay too early for us to see a tower crane, right? Correct. Won't be til mid-end of summer. I believe that's for the third crawler that will be in pit drilling caissons.
April 12, 201411 yr Just realized that this tower will probably block my view of the harbor. On the other hand, I should get some good construction shots once we start getting some height.
April 12, 201411 yr Nice view! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 12, 201411 yr Things are moving along - I noticed the red crane sections on the ground in the background; it's waaay too early for us to see a tower crane, right? Interestingly, the yellow crane with the blue mast closer to Lakeside almost didn't make it down the slope drive. I watch them try to turn in with the semi, and the bottom of the trailer bed got stuck on the sidewalk. https://www.instagram.com/cle_and_beyond/https://www.instagram.com/jbkaufer/
April 12, 201411 yr Klingaling, How many caissons are they drilling? How long does it take for each one? Just curious - thanks!
April 12, 201411 yr Klingaling, How many caissons are they drilling? How long does it take for each one? Just curious - thanks! I'll have to get back to you that one. I believe it's a couple month operation though.
April 12, 201411 yr I would say each caisson takes 2 days with an additional day for rebar cage set and concrete pour. I'm going to be honest, I've only done pile driving downtown, and no caissons, so imay be a bit off.
April 22, 201411 yr http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2014/04242014/index.php Cleveland Planning Commission AGENDA - April 24, 2014 Mall Historic District: Concept Plan reviewed 11-21-13 Convention Center Hotel (Hilton Cleveland Downtown) 100 Lakeside Avenue, NE New construction A few graphics of many..... Lots of floor plans, examples of construction materials, etc. also show at: http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2014/04242014/index.php "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 22, 201411 yr The human scale at ground level seems way off to me, the gigantic canopy especially.
April 22, 201411 yr I actually like the scale at ground level. It feels big, like one gigantic first floor. I don't like the materials choice for the non glass siding. I thought we were getting a stone facade to match the other group plan buildings. Instead it looks like more precast concrete. Hopefully it doesn't look as cheap as the Medical Mart next door.
April 22, 201411 yr Best part IMHO is that there will be a large restaurant facing the Mall, and some of the plans suggest an outdoor seating terrace. I'm not a fan of the possible wind screen/covered walkway connecting the restaurant to the East Mall Drive, but if it makes the terrace more usable, probably worth it. The lobby looks like typical "contemporary" chain dreck to me, but no big deal. Also not a big deal, but kind of a bummer: the ballrooms will have views over the justice center instead of the Mall. The price of having the tower on the west side of the site, I guess. Still not sure I like that decision.
April 22, 201411 yr The human scale at ground level seems way off to me, the gigantic canopy especially. In most cases, I'd agree with you. However, you have to consider the immediate surroundings. By dint of Daniel Burnham's Mall Group plan which the City began implementing 100 years ago, the neighborhood is government/institutional (aka institution/non-retail which = dead at night). The source of the hotel's being is the attached Convention Center, and we know most of it is underground. But the hotel will also serve as an island of retail and activity in itself. It has no E. 4th, or Tower City or Playhouse Square to attach to. And as we know, the hotel is separated from the WHD by the fortress-like Justice Center. The architect and developer has no easy task in creating this unique and important building and space... so far, I'm pleased with what I'm seeing. The good news is that the hotel will bring a node of activity to the dead (by night) Civic Center quadrant and hopefully bridge the rest of downtown to the Lakefront … once the pedestrian plaza is built over the Shoreway and RR/Rapid tracks. I also like the aggressive/statement architecture. It will be an asset to the skyline as well.
April 22, 201411 yr The Lakeside canopy appears to be the same height as the convention center canopy immediately east of the hotel..... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 22, 201411 yr I'm content with this. Dare I'd say more, but cautiously happy right now. I am having a difficult time discerning Plan A vs. Plan B. I kinda wish there was some more close up renders to judge. Maybe there are? I'll re-check the article. Anyhow, good stuff. I think the mall is going to eventually become an attraction on its own merits. As well as the obviously vital link between Public Square and the North Coast Harbor. This hotel is nicely situated.
April 22, 201411 yr The Sky bar is going to be a great addition and I am really pleased they decided to include it. Can you imagine that place during the Air Show!!
April 22, 201411 yr The Sky bar is going to be a great addition and I am really pleased they decided to include it. Can you imagine that place during the Air Show!! Or during the Super Bowl :-)
April 23, 201411 yr Caisson drilling getting serious. https://www.instagram.com/cle_and_beyond/https://www.instagram.com/jbkaufer/
April 23, 201411 yr County Council Approves Hotel Financing. http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/272-million-convention-center-hotel-project-moves-forward-with-vote-of-cuyahoga-county-council
April 23, 201411 yr The Sky bar is going to be a great addition and I am really pleased they decided to include it. Can you imagine that place during the Air Show!! Or during the Super Bowl :-) Are you trying to imply that the Browns are going to the Super Bowl?!? You must be crazy. Of course any home game there would be a little nuts as I'm sure you would nearly have views right into the stadium. I'd still like more details about how access to the Sky Bar and Guest rooms is going to be handled. The drawings show a seperate doorway that will likely be keycard accessible only on the top floor, but what about the floors in between?
April 23, 201411 yr The PD's article on the County Council approval... http://www.cleveland.com/cuyahoga-county/index.ssf/2014/04/cuyahoga_county_council_approves_plans_for_convention_center_hotel.html#incart_river https://www.instagram.com/cle_and_beyond/https://www.instagram.com/jbkaufer/
April 23, 201411 yr Hi Teddlers55, In my neighborhood, the couple of hotels (The W, Donovan House, & Beacon Place) with rooftop bars operate in a way that allows guests use their room keys to swipe themselves up to the roof bar. Non-hotel guests are greeted in the lobby by a host (bouncer) with a velvet rope, and sometimes a reservation list. The host swipes his/her own card, allowing guest to ride the elevator to the top. I think This also helps control over-crowding on weekend nights and big events, and keeps the roof bar private for special events. Hotel Guests may have to enter the sky-bar only from the hotel lobby - to keep the room floors secure from intruders. Also, adding a mechanical elevator door on every floor for 30 floors would be no small undertaking compared to a single unbroken elevator shaft. They'd have to sell a lot of Brandy Alexanders just to break even, esp. since not every hotel guest will visit the sky bar. ExPat
April 23, 201411 yr The Lakeside canopy appears to be the same height as the convention center canopy immediately east of the hotel..... Yes, the whole base is scaled at the same height as the Convention Center. I think that's good. The canopy on St. Clair is huge. The Hyatt has a decent sized canopy but will be dwarfed compared to this.
April 24, 201411 yr Of course any home game there would be a little nuts as I'm sure you would nearly have views right into the stadium. I highly doubt you'll be able see any portion of the field. The stands on the south side of the stadium will block the view.
April 24, 201411 yr Of course any home game there would be a little nuts as I'm sure you would nearly have views right into the stadium. I highly doubt you'll be able see any portion of the field. The stands on the south side of the stadium will block the view. If we added another 15-20 floors of apartments/condos on top they might have a chance... ;)
April 25, 201411 yr Back to the project.... It's official! Cuyahoga County OKs $272 Million for Downtown #Cleveland Hotel Project http://t.co/fZ2GTNCOTA "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 28, 201411 yr Retweeted by Ed FitzGerald Sarah Buduson @SarahBuduson 2h Groundbreaking ceremony for the new Cleveland Convention Center Hotel today at 1:30 p.m. 600 room hotel slated to open in 2016 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 28, 201411 yr Groundbreaking for convention center hotel. http://www.19actionnews.com/story/25369558/groundbreaking-for-cleveland-convention-center-hotel
April 28, 201411 yr I am sure he meant media market size, which in the real world is probably more important. Cle comes in at 17 while Col/Cin roll in at 32 and 34.
April 29, 201411 yr Here you guys go: Website for the project. Inclusive of webcam and projct updates. http://www.cuyahogacounty.us/en-US/Cuyahoga-County-Convention-Center-Hotel-Project.aspx
April 30, 201411 yr whats kind of funny here is the new 'love' this brings to the justice center. it was cursed and hated when built and of course afterward as an ungodly cheap pos eyesore over the years. not to mention its function. so now it gets a whole new round of catcalls. and wait until the hotel ballroom patrons have to look at it. yikes. unfortunately its very well used and necessary and it isnt going anywhere anytime soon. i almost wish the playhouse square rebranding budget could have went to recladding it...what am i saying? want chandelier lol!
April 30, 201411 yr whats kind of funny here is the new 'love' this brings to the justice center. it was cursed and hated when built and of course afterward as an ungodly cheap pos eyesore over the years. not to mention its function. so now it gets a whole new round of catcalls. and wait until the hotel ballroom patrons have to look at it. yikes. unfortunately its very well used and necessary and it isnt going anywhere anytime soon. i almost wish the playhouse square rebranding budget could have went to recladding it...what am i saying? want chandelier lol! Not so fast...it's been proposed :) http://www.cleveland.com/cuyahoga-county/index.ssf/2014/03/cleveland_cuyahoga_county_could_spend_300_million_or_more_to_upgrade_justice_center.html The most expensive option is a complete demolition and rebuild of the Cleveland police headquarters building and the courts tower.
April 30, 201411 yr Wow, I totally missed that news story. That's worth posting in the county properties disposition thread, which I will do right now at...... http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=1621.msg14147#msg14147 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 30, 201411 yr good eye mh -- wow right on time. that was just last month. very good. hopefully they move it all to midtown and open up that prime real estate. can you imagine?!! alright -- back to the cc hotel topic!!
May 7, 201411 yr Another nicely written and informative article from Michelle Jarboe McFee Bond-financing deal coming together for 600-room Hilton convention hotel in downtown Cleveland CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A bond-financing deal for the planned Hilton convention center hotel is scheduled to close this month, generating cash to support construction of one of downtown Cleveland's largest projects. U.S. Bank expects to issue certificates of participation - investment vehicles similar to bonds - on behalf of Cuyahoga County within the next few weeks. That transaction will generate roughly $230 million, supplying much of the necessary cash for the publicly developed and financed hotel. With foundation construction well under way for the 600-room Hilton, being built at Lakeside Avenue and Ontario Street, the county's plan to pay for the unusual project is becoming more clear. On top of proceeds from the bond deal, the county is setting aside leftover cash from the new Cleveland Convention Center complex, a $465 million public project largely completed last year. The city of Cleveland is kicking in $8 million from a separate bond transaction. The county decided to tackle the hotel after private developers expressed little interest in building anything but parking on the project site, which sits next to the convention center and the Global Center for Health Innovation. With the city trying to reestablish itself on the convention circuit, tourism boosters doubted Cleveland's ability to win major shows without lodging tied into the complex. More at: http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2014/05/bond-financing_deal_coming_tog.html#incart_river_default https://www.instagram.com/cle_and_beyond/https://www.instagram.com/jbkaufer/
May 7, 201411 yr Another nicely written and informative article from Michelle Jarboe McFee Bond-financing deal coming together for 600-room Hilton convention hotel in downtown Cleveland CLEVEablish itself on the convention circuit, tourism boosters doubted Cleveland's ability to win major shows without lodging tied into the complex. More at: http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2014/05/bond-financing_deal_coming_tog.html#incart_river_default In other areas, though, consultants have found ways to cut costs or bring in extra cash. Hilton increased its commitment to the project to $4.75 million, from approximately $2 million early on. Added features, including a rooftop bar, will generate more revenues. And interest rates are lower than the bond underwriters expected a few months ago. Cutting underground parking out of the hotel plans also saved money - potentially $15 million to $20 million. Between foundation complications and design challenges, it became clear that parking at the hotel was impractical, if not impossible. Ha, talk about two issues where this forum's consensus was right on the mark. And seemingly well in advance.
May 7, 201411 yr Another nicely written and informative article from Michelle Jarboe McFee Bond-financing deal coming together for 600-room Hilton convention hotel in downtown Cleveland CLEVEablish itself on the convention circuit, tourism boosters doubted Cleveland's ability to win major shows without lodging tied into the complex. More at: http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2014/05/bond-financing_deal_coming_tog.html#incart_river_default In other areas, though, consultants have found ways to cut costs or bring in extra cash. Hilton increased its commitment to the project to $4.75 million, from approximately $2 million early on. Added features, including a rooftop bar, will generate more revenues. And interest rates are lower than the bond underwriters expected a few months ago. Cutting underground parking out of the hotel plans also saved money - potentially $15 million to $20 million. Between foundation complications and design challenges, it became clear that parking at the hotel was impractical, if not impossible. Ha, talk about two issues where this forum's consensus was right on the mark. And seemingly well in advance. Now where is a my check for my "consultants" fee?? H*ll I'd even be happy if they sent a check just to UO.com. No more google ads.
May 8, 201411 yr Cuyahoga County releases updates on the Hilton project. This is the latest one from 4/23, hopefully they will be more up to date as things get rolling. But some good info nonetheless. April 23, 2014 CONSTRUCTION: Demolition is 100% complete. • 11,358 cy of non-metal demolition was recycled • 8 cy of non-metal demolition debris was not recycled • 1395 tons of metals were recycled Caisson drilling began on April 7, 2014. • 29 caissons will be drilled by completion. Five have been completed to date. • Each caisson depth is 180’, and roughly 24-30 feet from one another • eight different size casing, ranging from 3’ to 7’- 6” in diameter • 75 – 300 cy of concrete each The drilling operation consists of two drilling rigs and two assist cranes. Three Manitowoc tube lattice cranes with 200 foot booms will set the permanent sleeves, which are anywhere from 70 – 90’ long. SCHEDULE: The caissons crews will be working six days a week in order to meet the current construction schedule. Currently, there are 79 people working onsite. DESIGN: Final design development drawings were turned over by the design architect to the construction team on Monday, April 7, 2014. At that time, the construction design team took over the design in order to further develop the drawings for permit submission and construction
May 13, 201411 yr I hadn't seen these yet. They are a lot more detailed as far as the lower podium is concerned. All in all I'm happy with it.
May 13, 201411 yr Love all the glass! Better than the concrete bunker across the street. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
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