February 19, 201411 yr when will pilot driving and foundation work begin? Caissons will begin mid march
February 19, 201411 yr ^Are they drilling down to bedrock? I would have thought they'd go with the floating pad. :wtf: clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
February 19, 201411 yr ^Are they drilling down to bedrock? I would have thought they'd go with the floating pad. :wtf: It was determined a pad wouldn't work. They have to use a deep foundation system, i.e caissons.
February 19, 201411 yr It was determined a pad wouldn't work. They have to use a deep foundation system, i.e caissons. What will that do to the projected costs? Will this force any "value engineering" to the design? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 19, 201411 yr ^Already happened. The foundation plan is why there won't be parking garage under the hotel. Appelbaum said the cost won't otherwise affect the design or timetable, though. http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20131215/SUB1/312159977#
February 19, 201411 yr Got it. Gracias! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 19, 201411 yr ^Are they drilling down to bedrock? I would have thought they'd go with the floating pad. :wtf: It was determined a pad wouldn't work. They have to use a deep foundation system, i.e caissons. Then why the heck aren't they adding 10-15 stories of condos on top of this? Here we have a chance for "public" financing to contribute to new market rate construction downtown, and our leaders are dropping the ball!
February 19, 201411 yr just curious, but why would we want to build a much taller tower that would help meet some of the demand when we could have that demand met with other rehabilitations downtown? What is the point of having a taller tower if the rest of downtown isn't rehabbed? This is just fine. We get a new hotel for the convention center and other, older buildings are getting rehabbed for apartments.
February 19, 201411 yr ^ Exactly. I'd much rather see some more rehabs downtown... or a tower on top of the 515 Euclid garage.
February 19, 201411 yr just curious, but why would we want to build a much taller tower that would help meet some of the demand when we could have that demand met with other rehabilitations downtown? What is the point of having a taller tower if the rest of downtown isn't rehabbed? This is just fine. We get a new hotel for the convention center and other, older buildings are getting rehabbed for apartments. From my readings on this and other forums, there is actually considerable demand for new construction in downtown Cleveland, but rents/prices do not support it financially. The Convention Center hotel was originally not going to require foundations on bedrock. Now that it does, we have the foundation for additional floors on top of the hotel, with design and construction already being propped up by taxpayer subsidy. This would be a perfect opportunity for a developer to add new construction with out the shortfalls of the Cleveland market making it unfeasible. I agree with you that there are other rehab opportunities that need to be explored, but I also picture a market for some high-end condos in a deluxe building in the sky! This development offers a unique opportunity to deliver a Chicago-style residence.
February 19, 201411 yr Hmm. I hadn't thought about it as acting like a different type of product downtown. I'm still not sure it wouldn't just poach demand from other projects, but who knows.
February 19, 201411 yr I agree with you that there are other rehab opportunities that need to be explored, but I also picture a market for some high-end condos in a deluxe building in the sky! This development offers a unique opportunity to deliver a Chicago-style residence. It certainly would (especially as the properties available for rehab dwindles), but it's not. So probably a better place to discuss this is: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,24830.0.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 20, 201411 yr Is the structure going to be all concrete? Or, steel with a concrete core like the Ernst & Young building? Generally, hotels are concrete and office buildings are steel for reasons unknown to me. Would you know Klingaling?
February 20, 201411 yr ^Are they drilling down to bedrock? I would have thought they'd go with the floating pad. :wtf: It was determined a pad wouldn't work. They have to use a deep foundation system, i.e caissons. Then why the heck aren't they adding 10-15 stories of condos on top of this? Here we have a chance for "public" financing to contribute to new market rate construction downtown, and our leaders are dropping the ball! More floors could have been done on a Matt or caissons. 515 garage is on a Matt and has the potential for 17 more floors. Condos were not envisioned at the hotel.
February 20, 201411 yr ^Are they drilling down to bedrock? I would have thought they'd go with the floating pad. :wtf: It was determined a pad wouldn't work. They have to use a deep foundation system, i.e caissons. Then why the heck aren't they adding 10-15 stories of condos on top of this? Here we have a chance for "public" financing to contribute to new market rate construction downtown, and our leaders are dropping the ball! More floors could have been done on a Matt or caissons. 515 garage is on a Matt and has the potential for 17 more floors. Condos were not envisioned at the hotel. I believe the other major reason they are not looking into adding apartments to the tower is because that would mean the hotel would not be up and running by June 2016. Cleveland wants to make a bid for the RNC or DNC. Planning, designing, and construction of the apartments would push out the June 2016 time frame.
February 20, 201411 yr ^Are they drilling down to bedrock? I would have thought they'd go with the floating pad. :wtf: It was determined a pad wouldn't work. They have to use a deep foundation system, i.e caissons. Then why the heck aren't they adding 10-15 stories of condos on top of this? Here we have a chance for "public" financing to contribute to new market rate construction downtown, and our leaders are dropping the ball! More floors could have been done on a Matt or caissons. 515 garage is on a Matt and has the potential for 17 more floors. Condos were not envisioned at the hotel. I believe the other major reason they are not looking into adding apartments to the tower is because that would mean the hotel would not be up and running by June 2016. Cleveland wants to make a bid for the RNC or DNC. Planning, designing, and construction of the apartments would push out the June 2016 time frame. It wouldn't be the first time a hotel (or vice versa) opened with construction still continuing on another part of the complex.
February 20, 201411 yr Is the structure going to be all concrete? Or, steel with a concrete core like the Ernst & Young building? Generally, hotels are concrete and office buildings are steel for reasons unknown to me. Would you know Klingaling? The podium (first 4 floors of lobby, meeting space, etc...) is steel. Tower itself is all post tensioned concrete.
February 20, 201411 yr ^It probably has to do with the possible noise deadening ability of concrete. https://www.instagram.com/cle_and_beyond/https://www.instagram.com/jbkaufer/
February 20, 201411 yr ^It probably has to do with the possible noise deadening ability of concrete. I imagine local building codes prefer concrete also for it's fire retardant capabilities.
February 22, 201411 yr A quick pic at lunch today clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
March 6, 201411 yr I just noticed that this Cincinnati project looks very similar to the convention center hotel renderings: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,28451.0.html
March 6, 201411 yr ^Ehhh, I can see a slight resemblance as a glass box but that's it. The angled facade and crown, the cut-out and of course no balconies - apt. tower vs. hotel, after all. clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
March 6, 201411 yr Mayday, for a brief second I thought your pic above was of the Field Museum in Chicago. I guess based on the angle off the courthouse. Well, carry on
March 12, 201411 yr Wow, it seems like they just knocked down the County Admin building; I didn't realize they'd already cleared its rubble from the site -- and during the horrible weather we've been having, no less. These people are serious...
March 12, 201411 yr When they excavate downtown like this I often wonder if they ever come across anything interesting from the dig site, or even bother looking closely. You would think they'd have a high probability of finding something given the location and high level of traffic over the years.
March 12, 201411 yr When they excavate downtown like this I often wonder if they ever come across anything interesting from the dig site, or even bother looking closely. You would think they'd have a high probability of finding something given the location and high level of traffic over the years. Like Jimmy Dimora's collection of golden spoons? ;)
March 12, 201411 yr Like Jimmy Dimora's collection of golden spoons? ;) Moreso like the cement foundation they kept pouring and pouring for the Channel 3 building on Lakeside 15 years ago. The contractor wondered why the cement wasn't filling up. When they investigated further, they discovered a brick basement for a long-gone brewery there. So they kept on pouring more concrete until it finally filled in. In other words, the brewery's basement is now part of Channel 3's foundation. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 13, 201411 yr Like Jimmy Dimora's collection of golden spoons? ;) Moreso like the cement foundation they kept pouring and pouring for the Channel 3 building on Lakeside 15 years ago. The contractor wondered why the cement wasn't filling up. When they investigated further, they discovered a brick basement for a long-gone brewery there. So they kept on pouring more concrete until it finally filled in. In other words, the brewery's basement is now part of Channel 3's foundation. That would have been ironic if it was the location of Rock Bottom brewery :drunk:
March 18, 201411 yr Not much going on yet. But a nice level elevation to start drilling. https://www.instagram.com/cle_and_beyond/https://www.instagram.com/jbkaufer/
March 19, 201411 yr Update from Scene but the real news is at the very end... http://m.clevescene.com/cleveland/blogs/Post?basename=heres-an-update-on-the-plans-for-the-new-downtown-hilton-hotel&day=18&id=scene-and-heard&month=03&year=2014 "Semi-relatedly, here's a bit of neat-o news: There are now plans to construct a bar - open to the public - at the top of the hotel." Wait what?! YES.
March 19, 201411 yr That is interesting news. Looks like all they are doing now is soil borings for foundations. One plus of jury duty I guess is views of the city like this. I wish there was more construction going on though. https://www.instagram.com/cle_and_beyond/https://www.instagram.com/jbkaufer/
March 20, 201411 yr Update from Scene but the real news is at the very end... http://m.clevescene.com/cleveland/blogs/Post?basename=heres-an-update-on-the-plans-for-the-new-downtown-hilton-hotel&day=18&id=scene-and-heard&month=03&year=2014 "Semi-relatedly, here's a bit of neat-o news: There are now plans to construct a bar - open to the public - at the top of the hotel." Wait what?! YES. That would be some welcoming news! The issue of why the public space on top was nixed was due to the expense of building a public elevator shaft. Hopefully they have overcome this issue. Possibly since they are not building a garage they reallocated some of those funds?
March 27, 201411 yr March 27. 2014 4:30AM Work on Cuyahoga County Convention Center Hotel kicking into high gear (with photo gallery) By STAN BULLARD Construction of the Cuyahoga County Convention Center Hotel is starting to go underground — and that is far below the pit that already sits where the former county administration building stood at 1200 Ontario Street. A new crew of contractors also has taken over the site. The B&B Wrecking Co. workers who razed the old county building and excavated its foundation through record-cold temperatures and snowy weather have moved on. In their place are workers retained by the design-build contractor the county selected for the project last October, the Turner/Ozanne/VAA joint venture. That is the name of the joint venture formed for the job by Turner Construction Co., the New York City-based international construction contractor, and Cleveland's Ozanne Construction Co. and Van Auken Akins Architects LLC. http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20140327/FREE/140329832?template=mobile&X-IgnoreUserAgent=1#ATHS
April 1, 201411 yr Wow, this is pretty good news! Cuyahoga County Convention Center Hotel Expansion Stan Bulard, Northeast Ohio Media Corp. Rendering from Cooper Carry Just as equipment is drilling caissons deep into the site for the Convention Center hotel, new plans have been released showing an expanded presence in the downtown skyline. Renderings obtained by Northeast Ohio Media Corp. reveal an additional fifteen floors to the hotel’s tower component. Bonny Tewuen, public works executive for Cuyahoga County explained the expanded plans were possible due to unforeseen savings in the demolition of the former county headquarters, better than expected tax collections at the end of 2013, and additional layers of financing from public and private sources. “There were elements from the initial proposal that were eliminated due to our budget constraints but after revisiting the county’s financial situation and learning of new financing opportunities, it was determined those could be restored”, Tewuen explained. The most visible enhancement is a residential component which will occupy the upper floors of the expanded structure. In addition to private elevator banks, residents will have access to hotel amenities as well as reserved parking and views of the lake. The height of the building will be increased from 374 feet to 525 feet, just shy of the Tower at Erieview, the city’s fourth tallest tower. Jim Fulodoo of URS Corporation said “the fact we used caissons instead of a floating concrete pad allows for a taller building”. Representatives from architects Cooper Carrey stated the design of additional floors will work in concert with existing renderings. "We received a positive response from initial renderings and felt it was the right thing to do", said Tom Yee, architect. More at the following http://tinyurl.com/ljx4mtt clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
April 1, 201411 yr Wow, this is pretty good news! Cuyahoga County Convention Center Hotel Expansion Stan Bulard, Northeast Ohio Media Corp. Rendering from Cooper Carry Just as equipment is drilling caissons deep into the site for the Convention Center hotel, new plans have been released showing an expanded presence in the downtown skyline. Renderings obtained by Northeast Ohio Media Corp. reveal an additional fifteen floors to the hotel’s tower component. Bonny Tewuen, public works executive for Cuyahoga County explained the expanded plans were possible due to unforeseen savings in the demolition of the former county headquarters, better than expected tax collections at the end of 2013, and additional layers of financing from public and private sources. “There were elements from the initial proposal that were eliminated due to our budget constraints but after revisiting the county’s financial situation and learning of new financing opportunities, it was determined those could be restored”, Tewuen explained. The most visible enhancement is a residential component which will occupy the upper floors of the expanded structure. In addition to private elevator banks, residents will have access to hotel amenities as well as reserved parking and views of the lake. The height of the building will be increased from 374 feet to 525 feet, just shy of the Tower at Erieview, the city’s fourth tallest tower. Jim Fulodoo of URS Corporation said “the fact we used caissons instead of a floating concrete pad allows for a taller building”. Representatives from architects Cooper Carrey stated the design of additional floors will work in concert with existing renderings. "We received a positive response from initial renderings and felt it was the right thing to do", said Tom Yee, architect. More at the following http://tinyurlcom/ljx4mtt Dang it's like I predicted the future! Now I wish it could be an additional 15 of residential! ;)
April 1, 201411 yr Geez, I figured at least ONE person would have believed it! :-( clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
April 1, 201411 yr Geez, I figured at least ONE person would have believed it! :-( I totally did, as I do every year! It's really emotionally damaging! :P
April 1, 201411 yr Geez, I figured at least ONE person would have believed it! :-( Stan Bullard Bulard would like a word with you :whip:
April 1, 201411 yr Dang I fell for this too! Such a range of emotions towards MayDay :oops: :x :roll: :-D
April 1, 201411 yr Damn! I was so excited as i was reading and then clicking on that link... Very emotionally damaging to stoke these kinds of fantasies where the justice center is minimized by another imposing presence in the skyline
April 2, 201411 yr I'm so gullible, forgot to remind myself of MayDay's April fools day hoaxes. Too good to be true. :-( OK, I'll get on topic next post I do next year. :?
April 2, 201411 yr Don't let this one fade away folks! It could be real! There is public money going into this and we should have a voice! Condos on top!
April 2, 201411 yr Design changes show that Cuyahoga County's new convention hotel is likely to include a rooftop bar CLEVELAND, Ohio -- In a design shift prompted by public response to plans for a new convention hotel downtown, Cuyahoga County is thinking very seriously of adding a publicly accessible bar to the building’s 32nd floor. At a public meeting in August, Clevelanders told architects of the new convention hotel – to be built adjacent to the Global Center for Health Innovation and the city’s new convention center – that they wanted the building to have a rooftop bar http://www.cleveland.com/architecture/index.ssf/2014/04/design_changes_show_that_cuyah.html#incart_river_default
April 2, 201411 yr Design changes show that Cuyahoga County's new convention hotel is likely to include a rooftop bar CLEVELAND, Ohio -- In a design shift prompted by public response to plans for a new convention hotel downtown, Cuyahoga County is thinking very seriously of adding a publicly accessible bar to the buildings 32nd floor. At a public meeting in August, Clevelanders told architects of the new convention hotel to be built adjacent to the Global Center for Health Innovation and the citys new convention center that they wanted the building to have a rooftop bar http://www.cleveland.com/architecture/index.ssf/2014/04/design_changes_show_that_cuyah.html#incart_river_default This very minimally makes up for MayDays post earlier... haha
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