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  • Boomerang_Brian
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    As a Cuyahoga County resident, I am a part owner of the downtown Cleveland Hilton.  In the interest of checking up on my investment, and because I had a free night certificate that was about to expire

Updates from today...

 

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now that is a construction site! its about medmart height and seems to be moving along well. how many shifts do they have working on it usually?

When I look at the renderings, I still think they don't know what they're going to put at the top of the building.  I think I saw that the construction docs are at 50%.  Hopefully they design something that will make it nudge it over the 400' mark (top to bottom on Lakeside) :wtf:

When I look at the renderings, I still think they don't know what they're going to put at the top of the building.  I think I saw that the construction docs are at 50%.  Hopefully they design something that will make it nudge it over the 400' mark (top to bottom on Lakeside) :wtf:

 

Do new buildings still install those really cool radio towers?

When I look at the renderings, I still think they don't know what they're going to put at the top of the building.  I think I saw that the construction docs are at 50%.  Hopefully they design something that will make it nudge it over the 400' mark (top to bottom on Lakeside) :wtf:

 

Do new buildings still install those really cool radio towers?

I believe the Freedom Tower did in NYC. I could be wrong.

This morning...

 

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From this morning

I took a few from the elevated mall side

 

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Bucket by bucket, the Cuyahoga County Convention Center hotel is climbing upward

 

When it comes to building skyscrapers, the typical image that comes to mind is that of a steel beam swinging into place on a steel skeleton for the building.

 

However, tall buildings actually may use steel or concrete structural systems.

 

At the Cuyahoga County Convention Center Hotel project in downtown Cleveland, the low-rise entrances, banquet rooms and amenities are going in a structural steel podium of four stories. But the 32-floor part of the hotel that will house guests is going up with concrete cast in place on the site at Ontario Street and Euclid Avenue.

 

More at:

 

www.crainscleveland.com/article/20141105/FREE/141109935/bucket-by-bucket-the-cuyahoga-county-convention-center-hotel-is

For you height junkies:  "the columns will rise more than 400 feet in the air"

What a tedious way to build a building - one bucket at a time!  I always thought that buildings made of steel were more interesting to watch being built since there is more visible progress being made.

 

I thought I read somewhere that the building was going to be 415 feet tall.  Maybe the 374 foot level is at the roof level and the rest of the height is from the portion that is angled up toward Lakeside.  That part looks like it could be a 40 feet.  Klingaling, do you know the particulars?

wow making good steady progress here.

What a tedious way to build a building - one bucket at a time!  I always thought that buildings made of steel were more interesting to watch being built since there is more visible progress being made.

 

I thought I read somewhere that the building was going to be 415 feet tall.  Maybe the 374 foot level is at the roof level and the rest of the height is from the portion that is angled up toward Lakeside.  That part looks like it could be a 40 feet.  Klingaling, do you know the particulars?

 

Nitpick, but concrete buckets are actually pretty huge.

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Cleveland convention center hotel to hit construction milestone today

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Work on the Cleveland convention center hotel will hit a milestone today.

 

Around noon, workers will hoist the last of roughly 1,600 steel beams for the hotel's four-story podium, according to a news release. Officials will commemorate the occasion with a ceremonial signing of the beam.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/cuyahoga-county/index.ssf/2014/11/cleveland_convention_center_hotel_to_hit_construction_milestone_today.html#incart_river

Michelle J. McFee

mjarboe[/member]

A wee tree on a beam just now at the convention center Hilton construction site in downtown #CLE.

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Bird's eye view

 

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  • 2 weeks later...

November Update:

CONSTRUCTION Topping Out Ceremony - 11/13/14 • Structural concrete slabs through Level 4 are complete.-To date, more than 14,000 cubic yards of concrete has been placed. • Steel erection is complete.-More than 1,300 tons of steel have been erected and approximately 28,000    bolts have been installed. • Approximately 20,000 onsite working manhours are anticipated for the month of November, totaling nearly 130,000 for the entire project to date. • To date, more than 570 people have come onsite for construction.

DESIGN • The design team continues to work through, coordinate, and finalize the design for permitting and construction. • Building Information Modeling (BIM) coordination between Turner, the design team, and certain Subcontractors is progressing, and as more information becomes available and coordinated, the BIM model will be updated with ‘real-time’ design.

SCHEDULE Construction continues to remain on-schedule! • Concrete construction (floors, beams, columns) are continuing above Level 4. • Steel fabrication and erection is complete. Decking and detailing are slated to be complete in early December. • Mechanical, electrical, plumbing, and fire protection rough-ins, conduits, sleeves, and piping continue as areas are available throughout the project. • Spray-on fireproofing of structural steel has begun and will continue into 2015. • Interior wall layout and installation has begun in the basement. • Masonry wall layout and installation has begun in the basement. • Roofing of the Podium is slated to begin in late November. • Precast facade panel installation is slated to begin in December and glass curtainwall panel installation is slated to begin in January 2015. • Installation and connection to public utilities has begun and is progressing

Walking around this morning.

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Some pics from yesterday ...

 

And today...

 

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http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2014/12112014/index.php

 

Cleveland Landmarks Commission   

CITY HALL - ROOM 514 - 9:00 AM

AGENDA - December 11, 2014

 

 

Mall Historic District: Case 14-012

Hilton Cleveland Downtown 100 Lakeside Avenue

Signs

 

Mall Historic District: Case 14-012

Hilton Cleveland Downtown 100 Lakeside Avenue

Restaurant entry concept

 

 

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"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

I like the look of this building as a whole more each time I see a new rendering.

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Will there really be an illuminated stripe on the side of the building?  I hope so, I like it!

I can't believe how much of a pleasant surprise this design has been. Looking through Cooper Carry's portfolio after they were chosen, I was expecting the worst. This will be, by far, the best hotel in their portfolio after it's completed.

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Will there really be an illuminated stripe on the side of the building?  I hope so, I like it!

 

Yes, there really will be an illuminated stripe up the building.

I love the new renderings! One question, does anyone know what the green glass represents? Will those panels have some sort of light source or are they green for another reason?

I love the new renderings! One question, does anyone know what the green glass represents? Will those panels have some sort of light source or are they green for another reason?

 

The green strips between each window are probably just extruded aluminum panels. Same with the wider strip above the main entrance.

 

I love the overall design, but I'm not a fan of some of the material choices. For example the steel I-beams used for the canopy supports on the Mall (east) side look industrial and don't fit with the contemporary glass design, and definitely sticks out from the classic stone I'd expect for the Mall area. And the non-glass exterior of the pedestal will be pre-cast concrete, like the MedMart next door. I've never seen concrete look anything but cheap.

 

No doubt it'll look great from a distance.

Does anyone know the height of the building?

Does anyone know the height of the building?

 

364'  or something of that nature. i could be wrong though. Been a long day and been staring at too many numbers

Does anyone know the height of the building?

 

I was trying to blow up the 7th and 8th drawing down in KJP's post with the entire building and the Hilton signs.  I think the writing on the right with the dashes in front are markers for feet.  But, the resolution is not good enough to read it.  I even went to the planning commission link in the same post and could not do anything with it either.  It would be nice to have this in better resolution.

 

I do like the design of the building.  But, ultimately, I think how the different shades of blue glass works together or contrasts with each other is going to determine how this building is going to look.  That is difficult to visualize in the drawings.

Only if that darn justice center would be gone. That may be the most odd thing to have across the street from a hotel, especially a convention hotel. I guess the hotel guests can feel especially safe though?

Does anyone know the height of the building?

 

I was trying to blow up the 7th and 8th drawing down in KJP's post with the entire building and the Hilton signs.  I think the writing on the right with the dashes in front are markers for feet.  But, the resolution is not good enough to read it.  I even went to the planning commission link in the same post and could not do anything with it either.  It would be nice to have this in better resolution.

 

I do like the design of the building.  But, ultimately, I think how the different shades of blue glass works together or contrasts with each other is going to determine how this building is going to look.  That is difficult to visualize in the drawings.

 

You can blow it up using this image......

 

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....which shows the building is 372 feet tall from EL 648 - Level 1 Lobby to the top of EL 1020 - High Tower.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

^^ The (in)Justice Center is probably the biggest barrier to making that area pedestrian friendly (plus, it's ugly as all hell). I doubt it's feasible, but I think the Justice Center should build a new location somewhere to the east of downtown, so that tower can at least get a face lift and be re-purposed for mixed use. That location is prime real estate, and it's being put to horrible use at the moment.

 

But that's just like my opinion, man.

 

Also, 372 feet? Not bad!

^^ The (in)Justice Center is probably the biggest barrier to making that area pedestrian friendly (plus, it's ugly as all hell). I doubt it's feasible, but I think the Justice Center should build a new location somewhere to the east of downtown, so that tower can at least get a face lift and be re-purposed for mixed use. That location is prime real estate, and it's being put to horrible use at the moment.

 

The HVAC sounds like a thousand demons escaping Hell.

 

You can sort of envision how improvements can be made to improve the streetscape, ie add reatail space, built up to the sidewalk. This is a case where yes, you do want to compromise whatever the architect was thinking. Does the outside of a jail necessarily have to look like a jail?

 

But since the Center is in the way of the Warehouse District, I'm certain that Hilton guests will traverse that ugly block anyhow.

Does anyone know the height of the building?

 

I was trying to blow up the 7th and 8th drawing down in KJP's post with the entire building and the Hilton signs.  I think the writing on the right with the dashes in front are markers for feet.  But, the resolution is not good enough to read it.  I even went to the planning commission link in the same post and could not do anything with it either.  It would be nice to have this in better resolution.

 

I do like the design of the building.  But, ultimately, I think how the different shades of blue glass works together or contrasts with each other is going to determine how this building is going to look.  That is difficult to visualize in the drawings.

 

You can blow it up using this image......

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2014/12112014/image/fullsize/Hilton_Hotel_29.jpg

 

....which shows the building is 372 feet tall from EL 648 - Level 1 Lobby to the top of EL 1020 - High Tower.

 

Thanks KJP - that works!

 

It is interesting (at least to me) how the hotel floors are only exactly 9 feet high.  And the ballroom floor is about 20 feet.

 

Speaking of the ballroom floor, it is taking FOREVER to build this floor.  I will be glad when they get past this floor.  Things should start to move more quickly once this is done although I am not sure how the cold affects the curing of the concrete and how much that slows the process.

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Check the dirty sheets!! ;-)

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^^ The (in)Justice Center is probably the biggest barrier to making that area pedestrian friendly (plus, it's ugly as all hell). I doubt it's feasible, but I think the Justice Center should build a new location somewhere to the east of downtown, so that tower can at least get a face lift and be re-purposed for mixed use. That location is prime real estate, and it's being put to horrible use at the moment.

 

But that's just like my opinion, man.

 

Also, 372 feet? Not bad!

 

the problem IMO with the justice center is its lack a permeability, It sits on a huge mega block and there is no way for pedestrians to walk through it. you have to walk around it. to add insult to injury its Setbacks are out a character for a downtown district creating huge windswept Areas of emptiness around the building.

 

If the county was smart they would look to push the building out the sidewalks much like CSU did with their remodling of thier law collegae and their main classroom. 

 

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Does anyone in the know have an idea of when we'll see the crane jump?

 

It'll be sometime in the first quarter of next year, probably late January or early February. All depends on the continued progress on the cores.

Does anyone in the know have an idea of when we'll see the crane jump?

 

It'll be sometime in the first quarter of next year, probably late January or early February. All depends on the continued progress on the cores.

I would assume that they need something substantial to start baracing it to on the outer core of the building.  Is that correct?

^^ The (in)Justice Center is probably the biggest barrier to making that area pedestrian friendly (plus, it's ugly as all hell). I doubt it's feasible, but I think the Justice Center should build a new location somewhere to the east of downtown, so that tower can at least get a face lift and be re-purposed for mixed use. That location is prime real estate, and it's being put to horrible use at the moment. 

 

The Justice Center is a huge driver of downtown foot traffic.  If you take it out of the heart, you'd lose that.  You'd also possibly lose downtown office tenants (law firms) whose main motivation for being downtown is to be within walking distance of the Justice Center.  Plus, for practicality purposes, you have to understand that the Old County Courthouse essentially acts as an annex to the Justice Center, so keeping the two right across the street from each other is a must.

^I don't think anyone feels that we can easily remove the JC from it's current location.  It's just unfortunate that it sits between our new CC/Hotel, and one of our premier nightlife locations.  It almost gives the feeling that the two locations are a world apart from eachother. 

 

That being said, back when it was constructed in the late 70's, it was a brilliant location.  It was "off the beaten path" from anything Cleveland nightlife, and located next to shabby warehouses that were either closed, or operating and dirty.  Who would of thought back then that people would want to live in one of them.   

^^ My complaint is more about the architecture, rather than the existence of the Justice Center downtown. That block just completely kills the urban vibe, and totally cuts off the Warehouse District from the mall and convention center.

 

And by "east of downtown" I still basically mean downtown. Like maybe the block between St. Clair, E. 13th, and E. 17th where there aren't many businesses. That's still walking distance from most of downtown, and could lead to some off-shoot developments in an area that could really use it. Or, more feasibly, just the county jail could be moved to that area, the Justice Center tower could be renovated (with new additions that go up to the sidewalk - with retail), and the former jail could be torn down and apartments built in its place. That way the common pleas court would still remain close to the county courthouse.

 

I know I'm probably dreaming too big, but I think something needs to be done with that terrible block.

Photo from this a.m. ...

 

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