October 18, 201311 yr Well, saw the rendering today for the Hotel. Don't know if it's final or close to final but in my humble opinion, it's legit. And tall. And will change the skyline. It's architecture we really haven't seen in Cle. Couldn't tell you how tall but it looks good. I'm sure some people will disagree if they saw it, but it's definitely more modern. And if you had to guess how tall based on the image you saw, i'm wondering if you might say it is just about as tall as the Breuer. ;) It's tough to say because the rendering had nothing else for perspective, but based on the "base" of the hotel, I assumed that was as tall as the medical mart (to keep in line with the group plan) and went from there. If I HAD to guess, I'd say 25-30 stories. I suggest you trust my hint.
October 18, 201311 yr Well, saw the rendering today for the Hotel. Don't know if it's final or close to final but in my humble opinion, it's legit. And tall. And will change the skyline. It's architecture we really haven't seen in Cle. Couldn't tell you how tall but it looks good. I'm sure some people will disagree if they saw it, but it's definitely more modern. And if you had to guess how tall based on the image you saw, i'm wondering if you might say it is just about as tall as the Breuer. ;) It's tough to say because the rendering had nothing else for perspective, but based on the "base" of the hotel, I assumed that was as tall as the medical mart (to keep in line with the group plan) and went from there. If I HAD to guess, I'd say 25-30 stories. I suggest you trust my hint. I'm thinking you may know more than me, which is intriguing!
October 18, 201311 yr Can you share where the rendering was available for view? The company I work for is involved so I saw it internally. I'm not one to take a pic and post due to confidentiality and whatnot, but hopefully renderings will be public in some capacity soon.
October 18, 201311 yr OK, this article is claiming the hotel will be in the 600- to 850-room range. Is this accurate? http://m.meetingsnet.com/midwest/cleveland-get-new-headquarters-hotel-global-center-health-innovation "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 18, 201311 yr ^Not to belittle "meetingsnet.com," but I doubt they've done any original fact gathering on this, so I wouldn't read much into that. Just looks like sloppy number copying to me.
October 18, 201311 yr Oh well, I was hoping... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 18, 201311 yr Well, saw the rendering today for the Hotel. Don't know if it's final or close to final but in my humble opinion, it's legit. And tall. And will change the skyline. It's architecture we really haven't seen in Cle. Couldn't tell you how tall but it looks good. I'm sure some people will disagree if they saw it, but it's definitely more modern. And if you had to guess how tall based on the image you saw, i'm wondering if you might say it is just about as tall as the Breuer. ;) So if I'm understanding these subtle clues being dropped...this means, we're about to see a new highrise almost the same height as the Justice Center and Federal Building. This perspective shows the potential impact the best: http://www.downtowncleveland.com/media/87806/arial_city.jpg EDIT: Here's a list of Cleveland's tallest...perhaps the clue is either 28 stories or 390 ft: http://www.emporis.com/statistics/tallest-buildings-cleveland-oh-usa
October 18, 201311 yr I like it--though I wish it could distract us all from the Justice Center in dramatic fashion. The cruise ship is a very nice option--I would take a cruise if given the chance!
October 18, 201311 yr http://imageshack.us/a/img546/6772/jvl2.jpg Something like this going up in Chicago?
October 19, 201311 yr Well, saw the rendering today for the Hotel. Don't know if it's final or close to final but in my humble opinion, it's legit. And tall. And will change the skyline. It's architecture we really haven't seen in Cle. Couldn't tell you how tall but it looks good. I'm sure some people will disagree if they saw it, but it's definitely more modern. And if you had to guess how tall based on the image you saw, i'm wondering if you might say it is just about as tall as the Breuer. ;) So if I'm understanding these subtle clues being dropped...this means, we're about to see a new highrise almost the same height as the Justice Center and Federal Building. This perspective shows the potential impact the best: http://www.downtowncleveland.com/media/87806/arial_city.jpg EDIT: Here's a list of Cleveland's tallest...perhaps the clue is either 28 stories or 390 ft: http://www.emporis.com/statistics/tallest-buildings-cleveland-oh-usa Let's hope that it is the 390 feet and not the 28 stories. Hotel floors are not as high as office building floors. For example, from Emporis, the Westin is 222 feet and 22 floors, so hotel/residential is about 10 feet a floor. An office building is closer to 13 feet a floor. Of course, it could be higher with a crown at the top like the Marriott. I also think the length of the hotel tower would be oriented East and West to take advantage of the views of the lake to the North and the skyline of the city to the South. Klingaling, can you confirm the orientation?
October 19, 201311 yr Well, saw the rendering today for the Hotel. Don't know if it's final or close to final but in my humble opinion, it's legit. And tall. And will change the skyline. It's architecture we really haven't seen in Cle. Couldn't tell you how tall but it looks good. I'm sure some people will disagree if they saw it, but it's definitely more modern. And if you had to guess how tall based on the image you saw, i'm wondering if you might say it is just about as tall as the Breuer. ;) So if I'm understanding these subtle clues being dropped...this means, we're about to see a new highrise almost the same height as the Justice Center and Federal Building. This perspective shows the potential impact the best: http://www.downtowncleveland.com/media/87806/arial_city.jpg EDIT: Here's a list of Cleveland's tallest...perhaps the clue is either 28 stories or 390 ft: http://www.emporis.com/statistics/tallest-buildings-cleveland-oh-usa Let's hope that it is the 390 feet and not the 28 stories. Hotel floors are not as high as office building floors. For example, from Emporis, the Westin is 222 feet and 22 floors, so hotel/residential is about 10 feet a floor. An office building is closer to 13 feet a floor. Of course, it could be higher with a crown at the top like the Marriott. I also think the length of the hotel tower would be oriented East and West to take advantage of the views of the lake to the North and the skyline of the city to the South. Klingaling, can you confirm the orientation? I can't. I saw another rendering today but still nothing around it for perspective. I believe there were a few orientations being looked at, but can't confirm. I just want the darn thing to be published so we can all bask in the glory of another high rise :)
October 19, 201311 yr So you say it's a type of modern that's not seen in Cleveland. Is there anything about that statement that you can elaborate on? Or maybe another project from another city that evokes the same feeling these renderings you saw gave you? The anticipation is too much haha.
October 19, 201311 yr So you say it's a type of modern that's not seen in Cleveland. Is there anything about that statement that you can elaborate on? Or maybe another project from another city that evokes the same feeling these renderings you saw gave you? The anticipation is too much haha. It's just different. It's not square, there's curvature to it. The curtain wall is multi-colored. Can't think of a building in another city... Plus I don't want to say a building and have people not like the comparisons between the two. I'd like people to see the rendering and judge for themselves...if that makes sense? Trust me, I'm excited to see more as well so I sure hope they release the final design soon. I do caution - what I'm seeing could change based on where the cost estimate comes in/county final say. But It's a cool looking building.
October 19, 201311 yr So you say it's a type of modern that's not seen in Cleveland. Is there anything about that statement that you can elaborate on? Or maybe another project from another city that evokes the same feeling these renderings you saw gave you? The anticipation is too much haha. It's just different. It's not square, there's curvature to it. The curtain wall is multi-colored. Can't think of a building in another city... Plus I don't want to say a building and have people not like the comparisons between the two. I'd like people to see the rendering and judge for themselves...if that makes sense? Trust me, I'm excited to see more as well so I sure hope they release the final design soon. I do caution - what I'm seeing could change based on where the cost estimate comes in/county final say. But It's a cool looking building. You're just a mean, mean man. Like dangling fresh meat just out of reach of hungry dogs. ;) So in the interest of providing "something" to the hungered masses here, I offer these new convention center hotels...... The 38-story Colorado Convention Center Hotel in Denver.... The 30-story Bayfront Convention Center Hotel in San Diego, financed in part by its port authority.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 20, 201311 yr Turner Construction-led team picked to tackle Cleveland convention hotel for Cuyahoga County CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The construction team that managed work on the Cleveland Convention Center complex will pick up another big-ticket gig, as design-builder of a 600- to 650-room convention center hotel on Lakeside Avenue. A committee of Cuyahoga County officials and consultants recently chose a joint venture led by Turner Construction Co. to shepherd the $260 million project from conceptual design to its planned opening in 2016. The deal requires approval from Cuyahoga County Council, which could conduct the first of several readings of legislation related to the construction-management contract on Tuesday. Turner rounds out a team of convention-hotel heavyweights tapped to design, build and brand the publicly financed project. After soliciting competitive proposals, similar selection committees picked Hilton Worldwide as the hotel manager and Cooper Carry, an architecture firm based in Atlanta, as the conceptual designer. If council signs off on the Turner contract by mid-November and approves roughly $10 million in initial spending, crews would start to clear out the county administration building -- on the future hotel site -- before the end of the year. Demolition might begin in December or January. http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2013/10/turner_construction-led_team_p.html#incart_river_default
October 20, 201311 yr Turner Construction-led team picked to tackle Cleveland convention hotel for Cuyahoga County CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The construction team that managed work on the Cleveland Convention Center complex will pick up another big-ticket gig, as design-builder of a 600- to 650-room convention center hotel on Lakeside Avenue. A committee of Cuyahoga County officials and consultants recently chose a joint venture led by Turner Construction Co. to shepherd the $260 million project from conceptual design to its planned opening in 2016. The deal requires approval from Cuyahoga County Council, which could conduct the first of several readings of legislation related to the construction-management contract on Tuesday. Turner rounds out a team of convention-hotel heavyweights tapped to design, build and brand the publicly financed project. After soliciting competitive proposals, similar selection committees picked Hilton Worldwide as the hotel manager and Cooper Carry, an architecture firm based in Atlanta, as the conceptual designer. If council signs off on the Turner contract by mid-November and approves roughly $10 million in initial spending, crews would start to clear out the county administration building -- on the future hotel site -- before the end of the year. Demolition might begin in December or January. http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2013/10/turner_construction-led_team_p.html#incart_river_default :)
October 20, 201311 yr For those wondering, Turner has built and renovated a few hotels recently..... http://www.turnerconstruction.com/experience/projects/residential-hotel/hotel-motel "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 20, 201311 yr For those wondering, Turner has built and renovated a few hotels recently..... http://www.turnerconstruction.com/experience/projects/residential-hotel/hotel-motel KJP - in addition, we are doing the new Wilshire Grande in downtown LA, which will be LA's new tallest, along with a four seasons in Orlando, and countless others across the world. Hotels definitely are one of our sweet spots. So excited for this project!!!
October 20, 201311 yr So you say it's a type of modern that's not seen in Cleveland. Is there anything about that statement that you can elaborate on? Or maybe another project from another city that evokes the same feeling these renderings you saw gave you? The anticipation is too much haha. It's just different. It's not square, there's curvature to it. The curtain wall is multi-colored. Can't think of a building in another city... Plus I don't want to say a building and have people not like the comparisons between the two. I'd like people to see the rendering and judge for themselves...if that makes sense? Trust me, I'm excited to see more as well so I sure hope they release the final design soon. I do caution - what I'm seeing could change based on where the cost estimate comes in/county final say. But It's a cool looking building. You're just a mean, mean man. Like dangling fresh meat just out of reach of hungry dogs. ;) So in the interest of providing "something" to the hungered masses here, I offer these new convention center hotels...... The 38-story Colorado Convention Center Hotel in Denver.... The 30-story Bayfront Convention Center Hotel in San Diego, financed in part by its port authority.... The Colorado Conv. Hotel is gorgeous and would be great for the Lakeside-Ontario location... it kinda echoes the architecture of FEB's Ernst & Young tower a few blocks away.
October 20, 201311 yr well now we know where Klingaling87 works and how he happened to see some renderings.
October 20, 201311 yr well now we know where Klingaling87 works and how he happened to see some renderings. Come on man!
October 20, 201311 yr well now we know where Klingaling87 works and how he happened to see some renderings. Come on man! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 21, 201311 yr well now we know where Klingaling87 works and how he happened to see some renderings. Come on man! Lol that's right KJP...
October 21, 201311 yr I've stayed at that Colorado Convention Center Hotel a couple times before and it's very nice. What makes it extra nice is its top floor restaurant and lounge. If we are getting a hotel of that height, that close to the lake, a top floor restaurant and bar is a must! It would make for an incredible show piece highlighting both lake views and skyline views.
October 21, 201311 yr The Colorado Conv. Hotel is gorgeous and would be great for the Lakeside-Ontario location... it kinda echoes the architecture of FEB's Ernst & Young tower a few blocks away. I'll second that. And I'm digging the San Diego hotel also. To me both hotels echo the "new city" look of the Science Center, Rock Hall as well as the adjacent Global Center.
October 23, 201311 yr Saw a little blurb on the news...Jeff Applebaum explaining the Hotel options to County Council. Said one of the options was "27 stories above the podium". Not sure exactly what that means, but it sounds good to me.
October 23, 201311 yr ^my guess is that the podium will mimic the Med Mart (or whatever it is called) so about 4 stories (so it my first grade math is right that means this version would be 31 stories...as somebody mentioned before, hotel floors are not as tall as office building floors so even though it has more storiess than the Justice Center it might not be as high...in fact I would think a Justice Center floor (especially the court floors) are higher than even a normal office building).
October 23, 201311 yr Sorry I don't have an answer to that. The story just caught my attention mid stream...I don't even know what channel, but Applebaum was addressing the council members.
October 23, 201311 yr At tonight's meeting - Council hearing a presentation on the Convention Center Hotel project. Watch online! http://council.cuyahogacounty.us/en-US/102213-council-meeting.aspx EDIT: go to 8:30 on the video (Hotel presentation + Q&A lasts 38 minutes) Preliminary programming elements from the above presentation by Mr. Applebaum: + 665 Guestroom Bays-- 600 Guestrooms + 27 Story Tower (alt. 16 Story L-shaped Tower) above a 4 story Podium [final will range between 16-27 depending on cost and how much "L" shape is part of design] + Public Space consisting of: - Approximately 55,000 SF of Meeting Space which includes -- 22,500 SF Grand Ballroom -- 13,500 SF Junior Ballroom - Three Meal restaurant with Access to West Mall Drive - Lobby Bar and Lounge - Additional Retail Opportunity - Possible Green Roof on Podium - Possible Rooftop Opportunity + Below Grade Parking - 280 spaces + Total Area is Approximately: 691,000 SF [subject to adjustment based on programming, cost] Note: schematic design presentation to council scheduled for November 12, 2013 [public invited] "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 23, 201311 yr Do we really need another Grand and Junior Ballroom? If you figure maybe 10' between guestroom floors, the 16 story L-shaped option might only give us something in the Hanna Building height range or the height of the remodeled Westin....meh. I'd prefer an iconic tower but as long as it is a great design, a 16 story L-shape could work too. https://www.instagram.com/cle_and_beyond/https://www.instagram.com/jbkaufer/
October 23, 201311 yr ^It wouldn't be a convention center hotel without one. The new Westin will have a ballroom or two.... as does the Rennaisance..... the Tudor Arms...... and I assume the Intercontinental. Every nice hotel does.
October 23, 201311 yr ^It wouldn't be a convention center hotel without one. The new Westin will have a ballroom or two.... as does the Rennaisance..... the Tudor Arms...... and I assume the Intercontinental. Every nice hotel does. That makes sense. By the way looks like we'll see design options on November 12th. https://www.instagram.com/cle_and_beyond/https://www.instagram.com/jbkaufer/
October 23, 201311 yr BTW, for examples, note that the two hotels shown graphically on this page (Denver and San Diego) have "podiums" of about 4-6 stories topped by towers. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 24, 201311 yr I really hope they pick the skyline changer. It will be nice to finally see a nice new shiny high rise in our skyline. (You only can see FEB at certain angles and it's not that impacting.)
October 24, 201311 yr At tonight's meeting - Council hearing a presentation on the Convention Center Hotel project. Watch online! http://council.cuyahogacounty.us/en-US/102213-council-meeting.aspx EDIT: go to 8:30 on the video (Hotel presentation + Q&A lasts 38 minutes) Preliminary programming elements from the above presentation by Mr. Applebaum: + 665 Guestroom Bays-- 600 Guestrooms + 27 Story Tower (alt. 16 Story L-shaped Tower) above a 4 story Podium [final will range between 16-27 depending on cost and how much "L" shape is part of design] + Public Space consisting of: - Approximately 55,000 SF of Meeting Space which includes -- 22,500 SF Grand Ballroom -- 13,500 SF Junior Ballroom - Three Meal restaurant with Access to West Mall Drive - Lobby Bar and Lounge - Additional Retail Opportunity - Possible Green Roof on Podium - Possible Rooftop Opportunity + Below Grade Parking - 280 spaces + Total Area is Approximately: 691,000 SF [subject to adjustment based on programming, cost] Note: schematic design presentation to council scheduled for November 12, 2013 [public invited] Good info KJP! I really hope it is not L shaped. I don't think this would look good unless it was curved. And the inside rooms would be looking at each other. Even if it is 27 floors + 4 floors podium, it would be about as tall as the Marriott hotel. Unless there is an architectural element at the top like the Denver hotel. It really needs to be the tallest hotel in the city.
October 24, 201311 yr I don't know how much an L shaped building will fit in with The Group Plan. Though I'd want something that has more of an impact on the skyline, I'd be interested to see what the L-shaped building at least looks like.
October 27, 201311 yr here is another for comparison sake -- austin marriott cc hotel broke ground last year and is supposed to be completed in 2015. its $300M, 33 stories and 1,012 rooms, which i think is the largest marriott.
October 28, 201311 yr Is the L shape design a standing L like the San Diego hotel or is it an L shape when viewed from above?
October 29, 201311 yr I heard from an elevator contractor the tallest design would have 32 floors. Around the height we've seen discussed here the last few weeks.
October 29, 201311 yr Is the L shape design a standing L like the San Diego hotel or is it an L shape when viewed from above? When viewed from above. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 4, 201311 yr i saw an article on Cleveland.com, the administration building is empty. All offices have moved to temporary offices and demolition will begin later this year!
November 4, 201311 yr i saw an article on Cleveland.com, the administration building is empty. All offices have moved to temporary offices and demolition will begin later this year! Great news. That's one building that nobody will miss.
November 4, 201311 yr ^^ http://www.cleveland.com/cuyahoga-county/index.ssf/2013/11/cuyahoga_county_administration_building_now_empty.html
November 5, 201311 yr "Jon Stahl's sky-high dream could start at the top of a hotel that has yet to be built." http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20131103/SUB1/131109962/0/
November 5, 201311 yr "Jon Stahl's sky-high dream could start at the top of a hotel that has yet to be built." http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20131103/SUB1/131109962/0/ Jon Stahl's sky-high dream could start at the top of a hotel that has yet to be built. The top of a 30 floor building down to the Lakefront? Now that's going to be a major change in elevation.
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