Posted July 11, 201311 yr Enjoy! http://spark.rstudio.com/jkatz/DialectMap/ "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
July 11, 201311 yr I'm into my second Cleveland decade and I'm just beginning to adopt the vowel shift. I hate it.
July 11, 201311 yr I don't have an eeaccent! All I heard was "Ah deun't have no accint" :evil: I'm into my second Cleveland decade and I'm just beginning to adopt the vowel shift. I hate it. Embrace it. It's a badge of honor ;-) Seriously, though, I read somewhere that the NCVS is thought to have started because people in the Northern cities started exaggerating the distinctions between certain vowel sounds in an attempt to distinguish their speech from what they thought to be lazy, drawled accents in the southern parts of their states.
July 11, 201311 yr Interesting. For years I've tried to mitigate my southern accent, because that sort of thing is not well received around here. The vowel shift is another matter. That's crept in on its own. Now ah'm treeapped between the eeaccents forever!
July 13, 201311 yr this is a parody but I heard a guy talking like this for real on the C-Span morning call in show recently
July 13, 201311 yr I've lived in Greater Cleveland since 1998 and in the city proper since 2004 and thankfully still don't have the 'vowel-shift', though I've noticed a tinge of a nasal twang but nothing like the locals. However, growing up in Eastern Ohio (aka Appalachia), I haven't given up certain quips like "oh, bless your heart", "oh they're happier than a pig in sh!t when they're ______", "if I'm ever too old to _______, put me out to pasture". Not sure that I'll ever be able to purge those from my repertoire. :| clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
July 15, 201311 yr Brownfields can present a variety of underground surprises, chemical or otherwise. I'm not sure why they'd have to dig that deep for a skate park though. It may have just been exploratory, to find anything that needs dealt with before it's all covered in concrete. [Emphasis mine] This missing "to be" still weirds me out. I don't think I'd ever heard it before till a few years ago when I started noticing it more and more on UO, and I think it was even discussed in a thread once. Per Grammar Girl, it's Pittsburghese of Scotch-Irish origin, and it seems to have leaked into the rest of the North Midland region and beyond: http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/needs-washed
July 15, 201311 yr ^Oh it's all over NEO. Every one of my assistants has said it. I thought the first one was just lazy (well, she was lazy, but not in this regard), but I guess it's a tru-ly bona fide dialect thingy. We hates it. Oh, we hates it so, my precious. I've lived in Greater Cleveland since 1998 and in the city proper since 2004 and thankfully still don't have the 'vowel-shift', though I've noticed a tinge of a nasal twang but nothing like the locals. However, growing up in Eastern Ohio (aka Appalachia), I haven't given up certain quips like "oh, bless your heart", "oh they're happier than a pig in sh!t when they're ______", "if I'm ever too old to _______, put me out to pasture". Not sure that I'll ever be able to purge those from my repertoire. :| If that's Appalachian, then my mom, who allegedly lived all her life in NYC, has some 'splainin to do. [doing the math to make sure, one more time, that I wasn't born out of wedlock]
July 15, 201311 yr That's not dialect, that's just expediency. Words need sayin' and time's a-wastin'. Now git!
July 15, 201311 yr Cars need pulled along the track and tested OMG that wretchedness is infecting SWO now, too! I would have just thought it was a typo.
July 15, 201311 yr ^^^"needs dealing with" would sound normal to me. But I don't ever remember hearing this omitted "to be" stuff in my 18 years growing up in the eastern Cleveland burbs. And I'm pretty sure it sounds extremely weird to most folks in the northeast (based on my unscientific sampling, which usually gets a puzzled "people really say that?"). And emphatically, I don't think there's anything wrong with that pattern for colloquial speech. It's just jarring to those unfamiliar with it.
July 15, 201311 yr Oh waiiit a second, I was thinking that comment I quoted above was from thomasbw, because he and cailes share the same icon. I think cailes is from Indy, which a) saves SWO from catching my flak, but b) means it's spread much farther from Pittsburgh than any of us probably imagined possible! (I think it's ungrammatical, but it doesn't truly bother me; I'm just having fun.)
July 15, 201311 yr Count me in as one of those that drop the "to be" in those instances. It even took a few reads to figure out what you were talking about.
July 15, 201311 yr In Soviet Russia, verb "to be" drops you! Seriously, Russian has no such word. No articles either, they just say "sky blue" and the rest is implied.
July 15, 201311 yr Count me in as one of those that drop the "to be" in those instances. It even took a few reads to figure out what you were talking about. Yeah, it needs read carefully.
July 15, 201311 yr You always know somebody's serious about getting rid of something on criagslist if they put "need gone" in the ad.
July 16, 201311 yr Count me in as one of those that drop the "to be" in those instances. It even took a few reads to figure out what you were talking about. Yeah, it needs read carefully. I see what you did there. Very tricky.
February 6, 201411 yr Does anyone else use the word "y'all" when typing, but not while speaking? I don't know it it's common for people from Cincinnati to type but not speak it, or for any other area to do that. For some reason saying y'all doesn't really feel natural, but it seems completely natural for me to type it (in informal settings).
February 6, 201411 yr I used to say "you guys" like a lot of people from Columbus do, but down in Cincinnati women started getting cranky when I did it. So I switched to the Cincinnati "you all" (not "y'all" really).
February 7, 201411 yr I'm not sure if I say "you all" in speech or not. I think I use it on occasion. "You all" seems very indirect and cumbersome in text, though, which is (I think) why I type "y'all".
February 7, 201411 yr I used to say "you guys" like a lot of people from Columbus do, but down in Cincinnati women started getting cranky when I did it. So I switched to the Cincinnati "you all" (not "y'all" really). What is this, 1956? (in Cincinnati? lol) http://www.mainstreetpainesville.org/
February 7, 201411 yr I've always found this dialect map to be the most comprehensive and accurate (especially the sources it links to): http://aschmann.net/AmEng/ What's interesting to me is that there are often some similarities between Cincinnati and New York accents - yet the original link above lists NYC as the least similar to Cincinnati.
February 7, 201411 yr I miss the Great Lakes accent of Toledo and Detroit. It was sexy, almost as sexy as the Long Island accent.
February 7, 201411 yr I've always found this dialect map to be the most comprehensive and accurate (especially the sources it links to): http://aschmann.net/AmEng/ What's interesting to me is that there are often some similarities between Cincinnati and New York accents - yet the original link above lists NYC as the least similar to Cincinnati. I knew a lifelong Westsider who talked almost exactly like someone from Brooklyn.
May 27, 201411 yr Interesting. Apparently people from Cuyahoga County say "y'all" more than the rest of the state: http://www.floatingsheep.org/2014/05/hey-yall-geographies-of-colloquialism.html
May 27, 201411 yr I used to say "you guys" like a lot of people from Columbus do, but down in Cincinnati women started getting cranky when I did it. So I switched to the Cincinnati "you all" (not "y'all" really). I think everyone in Cincy says "you guys" ... I actually thought it was a Cincinnati thing?
May 27, 201411 yr More like 'Y'EEEAaaaaall', ameeeiirite?? Maybe the data collectors were just hearing the word "all" in a Cleveland accent and misinterpreted.
May 27, 201411 yr Cuyahoga County almost surely has the state's largest population with roots in the deep south, so not sure how surprising this is.
May 27, 201411 yr Maybe the data collectors were just hearing the word "all" in a Cleveland accent and misinterpreted. More like by far the biggest African American population in Ohio, ameeeiirite??
May 27, 201411 yr Sure, blame the black folks!!! Time to call Iyanla... "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
May 27, 201411 yr Notice that Detroit, Chicago area, and some other highly populated counties of the midwest are highlighted as well. I would say it is the speed of the people talking that made the listener think they were hearing y'all. So that is fair enough to include people in big cities saying that since the words can become conjugated in the ear. Now if they were looking for "yawl" that would be very different.
May 27, 201411 yr ^The map was generated using geotagged tweets, so it's solely based on written instances of "y'all"
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