November 29, 201311 yr The idea that Cleveland can never be a tourist attraction is absurd, defeatist, and most importantly, factually inaccurate considering that the Rock Hall, Playhouse Square, Horseshoe Casino (yes, I've met people who came from elsewhere to go to the Horseshoe), the Q and all of the museums are ALREADY tourist attractions. Lets for one second act like this city is capable of walking and chewing gum at the same damn time and do both. Yes you must make your neighborhood (in this case, downtown) appealing for the people that live and work there. But guess what? Downtown IS an amusement park for many people and you want and NEED that too. Agree and want to add that we also have this lake just north of us. Once we can figure out what to do with it there's every reason to think it will be a huge draw.
January 31, 201411 yr The idea that Cleveland can never be a tourist attraction is absurd, defeatist, and most importantly, factually inaccurate considering that the Rock Hall, Playhouse Square, Horseshoe Casino (yes, I've met people who came from elsewhere to go to the Horseshoe), the Q and all of the museums are ALREADY tourist attractions. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Ohio's Lake Erie coast has serious potential for increased tourism! There is a good matrix of urban and lakeside attractions stretching all across the Lake Erie coast, and they are in close proximity to each other. Just a start... 1. Toledo Museum of Art 2. Toledo Zoo 3. Great Lakes Maritime Museum 4. Marblehead, Lakeside 5. Port Clinton, East Harbor 6. Put-in-Bay, Kelleys Island 7. Sandusky 8. Cedar Point 9. Vermilion 10. Nickel Plate Beach 11. Lorain 12. Cleveland Museum of Art 13. Rock Hall 14. Severance Hall 15. Playhouse Square 16. Headlands Beach, Fairport Harbor 17. Geneva-on-the-Lake 18. Ashtabula Clean up the lake, and market this stuff, Ohio! It's perfect for a summer vacation.
January 31, 201411 yr The idea that Cleveland can never be a tourist attraction is absurd, defeatist, and most importantly, factually inaccurate considering that the Rock Hall, Playhouse Square, Horseshoe Casino (yes, I've met people who came from elsewhere to go to the Horseshoe), the Q and all of the museums are ALREADY tourist attractions. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Ohio's Lake Erie coast has serious potential for increased tourism! There is a good matrix of urban and lakeside attractions stretching all across the Lake Erie coast, and they are in close proximity to each other. Just a start... 1. Toledo Museum of Art 2. Toledo Zoo 3. Great Lakes Maritime Museum 4. Marblehead, Lakeside 5. Port Clinton, East Harbor 6. Put-in-Bay, Kelleys Island 7. Sandusky 8. Cedar Point 9. Vermilion 10. Nickel Plate Beach 11. Lorain 12. Cleveland Museum of Art 13. Rock Hall 14. Severance Hall 15. Playhouse Square 16. Headlands Beach, Fairport Harbor 17. Geneva-on-the-Lake 18. Ashtabula Clean up the lake, and market this stuff, Ohio! It's perfect for a summer vacation. Take Michigan for example. Your list there would look like: New Buffalo, South Haven, Saugutuck, Grand Haven, Muskegon, Ludington. All of them are awesome week long vacation spots for the summer. Awesome beaches, beautiful towns, great shopping and restaurants along with superb condo and house rentals. And if you have a boat, great marinas to sail out of. I love Ohipo, but will say we jsut don't do enough with our coastline. I will say, we have made progress. Edgewater Park is an example of that. Just realized the thread I'm posting this in, and it's way off topic. I'm sorry.
March 12, 201411 yr Darn Seattle and their crazy ideas: http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2023047646_wheelgondolaxml.html
July 28, 201410 yr It is sad that a person such as Angie Schmidt gets talked about this much on an urban planning forum. Please stop feeding the animals. ^^^^ THIS. First of all "Please stop feeding the animals." Weird expression. By that you mean: A. don't engage with any of the points she is making B. People like her that express views we disagree with are subhuman. Below us. Man. Pretty smug and self satisfied in your own little bubble, aren't you?
July 28, 201410 yr It is sad that a person such as Angie Schmidt gets talked about this much on an urban planning forum. Please stop feeding the animals. ^^^^ THIS. First of all "Please stop feeding the animals." Weird expression. By that you mean: A. don't engage with any of the points she is making B. People like her that express views we disagree with are subhuman. Below us. Man. Pretty smug and self satisfied in your own little bubble, aren't you? Are you Angie Schmidt? Was the post you quoted removed? And I'm pretty sure the answer is A, with the added assumption that any response would only provoke an unproductive discussion, but the OP would have to respond for themselves.
July 28, 201410 yr So...back to actual news From their Facebook page: Cleveland SkyLift Yesterday Hey SkyLift fans.....stay tuned! We are still pushing hard and hope to make some announcements soon, good things are happening!
July 28, 201410 yr Thank you. :) "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 28, 201410 yr If it does not take off in Cleveland, I am stealing the idea for New Orleans (but I am hoping it works in CLE first, then we can join the east bank and west bank of the Mississippi)
July 29, 201410 yr So...back to actual news From their Facebook page: Cleveland SkyLift Yesterday Hey SkyLift fans.....stay tuned! We are still pushing hard and hope to make some announcements soon, good things are happening! hmm. why isn't this thread in transit?
July 29, 201410 yr When they fall under the jurisdiction of the FTA, then I'll move this thread to the mass transit section. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 29, 201410 yr I've only been to Cleveland a few times so forgive my ignorance, but it seems to me that aerial trams are best suited to a severe grade change. If there are obstacles like railroads, freeways and waterways separating destinations, it would be better to build bridges to connect them.
July 29, 201410 yr I've only been to Cleveland a few times so forgive my ignorance, but it seems to me that aerial trams are best suited to a severe grade change. If there are obstacles like railroads, freeways and waterways separating destinations, it would be better to build bridges to connect them. That's a very good point, and why I wouldn't be opposed to a limited Skylift from, say, the Flats to Wendy Park/Whiskey, which is physically isolated from the rest of downtown (by the Cuyahoga River Mouth and the busy NS RR tracks) and not served by any kind of transit. In fact, this would be in excellent use of Skylift imho. But the current "comprehensive" plan, with Skylift routes all over downtown (and Ohio City) doubling for some kind of RTA rail system is for the birds.
July 29, 201410 yr When they fall under the jurisdiction of the FTA, then I'll move this thread to the mass transit section. Aerial trams are covered under the FTA
July 29, 201410 yr Aerial trams are covered under the FTA All of them? Will this one? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 29, 201410 yr Aerial trams are covered under the FTA All of them? Will this one? Its vaporware, someone has to regulate it, why not move every Vaporware project to the general transportation forum? They market this as Transit, why the resistance to moving it to the transit forum? Why did it take so long to have it moved to the transportation forum from the NEO projects and construction?
July 29, 201410 yr Is this the most important thing we have to deal with today?? Where to place discussion threads on vaporware?? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 4, 201410 yr A couple of links to a new company called Creative Urban Projects who describe themselves as a 'planning shop for people who love cities' . They take a hard look at Cable-Propelled Transit and it's place in future urban planning. Interesting. http://creativeurbanprojects.com/ http://gondolaproject.com/contact-us/
August 13, 20159 yr What ever happened to this? Did it slowly fade away and is completely off the table now?
August 13, 20159 yr What ever happened to this? Did it slowly fade away and is completely off the table now? I hope so
August 13, 20159 yr It's fully built out, we've had several forum meetups in the 'gondolas', taken amazing photos from them, had a few happy hour events in them, but wouldn't you know we forgot to post any updates?!? ;-) clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
August 14, 20159 yr I still don't understand the hostility to this idea. I'm pushing for a system like this in New Orleans
August 14, 20159 yr I still don't understand the hostility to this idea. I'm pushing for a system like this in New Orleans Because many people, hmmm hmmm, don't have much vision past their noses and asking them to look much further is futile...
August 14, 20159 yr Just because something like this hasn't been done in Cleveland before doesn't make it a good idea... the prospect of these towers dotting our lakefront and skyline is horrifying. These are never aesthetically pleasing especially if it spans our entire downtown lakefront - you'll wreck all the great views from the lake looking into the city and vice-versa. I could see some concentrated areas of where this would work like from one side of the flats to the other spanning the valley which would actually be very fantastic... but across the whole downtown lakefront - no thanks.
August 18, 20159 yr Michelle McFee just tweeted this about 20 minutes ago: ".@CEO_CleMetParks brings up @cleskylift idea as part of connectivity conversation at @TheCityClub discussion. Concept still out there ..."
August 19, 20159 yr Because many people, hmmm hmmm, don't have much vision past their noses and asking them to look much further is futile... Or maybe because some of us think it's an ugly thing to have along our lakefront. This is about personal preferences of what our city should look like. You may call it beautiful. I don't. And that's fine. I do think it's a good idea to have this in the Flats. Install the Skylift using the Main Avenue bridge's underdeck truss to link the Flats East Bank with the West Bank where land owners are getting together to make some new development plans.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 15, 20159 yr While we in America struggle with an antiquated transportation system as we rely on 20 year old diesel busses, 30 year old commuter trains and overspend on incredible overpriced streetcar projects, places such as Ankara, Turkey look for other ways to move people. Will it ever happen here?
July 29, 20168 yr Well if this never comes to fruition, you can at least sit in a proposed skylift cab. https://www.instagram.com/cle_and_beyond/https://www.instagram.com/jbkaufer/
October 2, 20168 yr Wired Magazine - Commuter Gondolas Are Coming to America. Probably. Maybe? ".....No wonder designers who have proposed gondolas as an urban transit solution have met a mix of fanged skepticism and derision. “I have definitely heard from some citizens that the very notion of a gondola is too ridiculous to even be considered,” Christopher Slatt, the chairman of the Arlington County, Virginia’s Transportation Commission, told the Wall Street Journal this summer. “Why give transit critics ammunition by advancing something that may turn out to be a waste of time and effort?” https://www.wired.com/2016/09/commuter-gondolas-coming-america-probably-maybe/
October 2, 20168 yr While we in America struggle with an antiquated transportation system as we rely on 20 year old diesel busses, 30 year old commuter trains and overspend on incredible overpriced streetcar projects, places such as Ankara, Turkey look for other ways to move people. Will it ever happen here? la paz is the other city seriously into them: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mi_Telef%C3%A9rico
November 12, 20168 yr I just know you all have been waiting for a Skylift update. C'mon admit it. We had an incredible design meeting with Cleveland City Planning and 35 stakeholders! Our next big meeting is December 6th, stay tuned Cle! More pics at https://www.facebook.com/clevelandskylift/?refid=13
November 12, 20168 yr ^ You have to be freaking kidding me. So our city government is screwing over our transit system by keeping Pub Sq closed indefinitely, yet they're engaging in discussions about a useless skylift that has no benefit to most residents? I've about had it with this town.
November 12, 20168 yr ^ You have to be freaking kidding me. So our city government is screwing over our transit system by keeping Pub Sq closed indefinitely, yet they're engaging in discussions about a useless skylift that has no benefit to most residents? I've about had it with this town. Amen. Be careful, you're starting to sound a lot like me. Cleveland is clueless and backwards about mass transit; seemingly blissfully so...if leaders here don't wake the hell up soon, much of the City's progress will be undermined.
April 7, 20178 yr Skylift news. http://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/four-years-later-cleveland-skylift-plan-to-link-downtown-by-gondolas-still-moving-forward
April 8, 20178 yr "So imagine you're a tourist and you're flying by [FirstEnergy] Stadium and you're like 'hey I'd like to go to a Steelers Cleveland game, what seats are available,'" Stahl told the commissioners. "'Ok show me the seats under $100,' okay now what would it be like to be in that seat. At that point we can turn this cable car into virtual reality and I can put you in that seat in the stadium and actually watch a play as if you're sitting in the stadium, pop back out of virtual reality and hit buy and buy that seat for a game." Not The Onion.
April 8, 20178 yr "Ok, show me the seats under $100" //nose starts bleeding, ears start popping after view is displayed// "Wow, LeanDog knows how to take Virtual Reality to a whole new level!"
April 9, 20178 yr I think it's a cool feature for the city. You have Cincinnati (well...Newport - same thing) currently installing a Skywheel with a great view of downtown. Lots of other cities are doing things like this or already have it. It's always good to offer some sort of attraction/ride that allows for a great view of the city. Revolving restaurants, Skywheels and such. The great thing about a Skylift is that it not only allows for a great view and attraction for tourists of the city but it's practical in that it actually takes you to a destination. Keep in mind, people pay $100 for helicopter rides that essentially provide the exact same service. As a Cleveland resident, I'd ride it. I don't think it would be exclusively for tourists at all. A lot of Clevelanders would use it, especially on dates or when they're showing friends/family around town. I'm a big advocate of these things. Hell, even the one I rode at the Ohio State Fair was a lot of fun... it was more primitive - more like a ski lift and only probably 25-30 feet above ground but we got a great view of the fair and Columbus and it served a purpose in getting us from one end of the fairgrounds to the other. Hope this thing gets off the ground soon (so to speak...)
April 9, 20178 yr Just because something like this hasn't been done in Cleveland before doesn't make it a good idea... the prospect of these towers dotting our lakefront and skyline is horrifying. These are never aesthetically pleasing especially if it spans our entire downtown lakefront - you'll wreck all the great views from the lake looking into the city and vice-versa. I could see some concentrated areas of where this would work like from one side of the flats to the other spanning the valley which would actually be very fantastic... but across the whole downtown lakefront - no thanks. I'm really disappointed in your attitude and that of some other forumers on here. What's up with all the nay-saying? Seriously. You realize how many angles of the Cleveland Skyline include f-ing giant salt mines and muddy Cuyahoga river water? This is an industrial city and from what I've seen in the year and few months I've lived here - most Clevelanders take pride in it's industrial past - rightfully so; instead of worrying about perceived standards in aesthetics. That's what makes Cleveland pretty unique and as someone who has had long stints in Cincinnati and Columbus before moving here -- I happen to really like it. Honestly, Cleveland adhering to your standards, would mean Cleveland not being true to itself....and that's a travesty. ...but that's just my opinion.
April 9, 20178 yr I think they should look at Cedar Fair as a financial backer and offer profit sharing in earned revenue. CF could also advertise on the cable cars and the monitors inside them. Maybe Cedar Fair season ticket holders could pay a bit more to ride it unlimited.
April 9, 20178 yr I think they should look at Cedar Fair as a financial backer and offer profit sharing in earned revenue. CF could also advertise on the cable cars and the monitors inside them. Maybe Cedar Fair season ticket holders could pay a bit more to ride it unlimited. How about Cedar Fair constructs the skylift and makes it stretch from downtown Cleveland all the way to Cedar Point? I could get behind that.
April 9, 20178 yr You know what would be really cool? Urban ziplines in Cleveland. I was thinking, looking at the "Church and State" apartment proposal for W28th and Detroit, that you could run a zip line from the taller building directly into the swimming pool on the roof of the shorter one. 8-) Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
April 9, 20178 yr That would be so cool. Zip lines could be used as a transportation mode to get you around. I would love to take a zip line from Downtown to W. 25th. I know I say a lot of foolish stuff on this forum and half the time people don't even know when to take me seriously but I'm being dead serious. I think that would attract a lot of people to the city if we had an urban zip line system. It would attract thrill seekers and could be used by residents as a pedestrian accelerator. I'm sure it's mad cheap to build and maintain compared to any other transit option. I'd be willing to pay big money to zip line from Downtown to W. 25th. That would be so cool. Does the City of Cleveland have a suggestion box somewhere? I need to let them know about all of my ideas.
April 19, 20178 yr Interesting article about a potential aerial tram at Disney World. Cleveland is even mentioned. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/travel/attractions/the-daily-disney/os-bz-disney-world-gondolas-cable-cars-plans-20170418-story,amp.html
April 19, 20178 yr Disneyland is exactly where this type of proposal belongs. Not downtown Cleveland.
April 19, 20178 yr Disneyland is exactly where this type of proposal belongs. Not downtown Cleveland. Who hurt you?
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