I just had lunch at Kruegers and there was a homeless person out front telling (almost yelling to) anyone she could about the new camp around the corner and how they could use anything to help like hand sanitizer or water.

Yeah the city needs to get them out of there asap. 

I mean they can also take the drug dealers with them on the way out.

 

I'd almost rather have homeless camps, than drug dealers who could mug you at any time to increase his paystub for the day. That lot really should be developed by now....Advocates complain that OTR doesn't have enough affordable housing, and gentrification and blah blah blah...yet they are sitting on an empty lot that is used for drug dealers, and homless camps...what a joke these organizations are. They only look out for themselves in the end. 

Friday nights are particularly bad for drug dealing in that area.  Tonight is going to be rough.

This might be a rhetorical question, but if this is a, "private" park is it legal for the owners to allow illegal drug activity on their private land? Do laws not abide anymore if the land is designated private? Curious, because im sure the owners of the lot know what is going on in that sub park. No actual otr resident uses that park, and I always try to avoid that street at night because i'm afraid of becoming a victim.

I do know it makes some laws harder to enforce. Like if a car accident happens in a mall parking lot all the police do is take a report (as long as there aren't drugs or alcohol involved) and then the accident becomes no-fault. Also there aren't any citations.

This might be a rhetorical question, but if this is a, "private" park is it legal for the owners to allow illegal drug activity on their private land? Do laws not abide anymore if the land is designated private? Curious, because im sure the owners of the lot know what is going on in that sub park. No actual otr resident uses that park, and I always try to avoid that street at night because i'm afraid of becoming a victim.

 

Technically no, if it is a controlled substance owners of private property have a duty to report it or they may be subject to fines. This is often easier said than done and hard to enforce but technically it is the law.

 

For example, in apartments, if your tenant is known to have drugs in the unit (even if they are not a dealer) then under Ohio law, you are required to evict them (if you can prove the illegal drug activity). If you do not evict them and let the illegal drug activity go on, the landlord may be subjected to fines.

So is someone going to bring in Port-A-Lets for the homeless to use, or are they just gonna start using every nook and cranny and alley in that area as their restroom?

So is someone going to bring in Port-A-Lets for the homeless to use, or are they just gonna start using every nook and cranny and alley in that area as their restroom?

 

The latter sadly.

This might be a rhetorical question, but if this is a, "private" park is it legal for the owners to allow illegal drug activity on their private land? Do laws not abide anymore if the land is designated private? Curious, because im sure the owners of the lot know what is going on in that sub park. No actual otr resident uses that park, and I always try to avoid that street at night because i'm afraid of becoming a victim.

 

Technically no, if it is a controlled substance owners of private property have a duty to report it or they may be subject to fines. This is often easier said than done and hard to enforce but technically it is the law.

 

For example, in apartments, if your tenant is known to have drugs in the unit (even if they are not a dealer) then under Ohio law, you are required to evict them (if you can prove the illegal drug activity). If you do not evict them and let the illegal drug activity go on, the landlord may be subjected to fines.

 

If that's true about evictions that's pretty funny.  The head of Tender Mercies has told me that new-ish HUD rules indicate they are required to try to keep drug addicts housed even if they're actively abusing.  This means their properties on 12th Street between Race and Vine are a constant nuisance with drug abuse/dealing happening all the time in front of their buildings as well as in the surrounding area.

It is an example where HUD regs conflict with state law and in some cases federal law. This is what leads to lawsuits because you have landlords trying to follow 3 different laws in conflict with each other in many cases. In some cases the Fed law and HUD rules are in direct conflict with each other and some law firms use this to exploit the issue.

The tent village on Republic St. seems like a bit of a non-event.  It's not quite big enough or high profile enough to really piss off the general public.  It is, however, very close to Washington Park, so we again, 30 years later, see homeless advocates trying to move their people as close to Music Hall (and rich people) as possible.

 

Speaking of rich people, I noticed that the lots that Josh Spring's organization owns on Vine across from and just north of Kroger are still being used for parking for who-knows-who.  So if Spring really wanted a higher profile location for his people, they could be setting up on those very valuable vacant lots next to his building.  But they didn't want to inconvenience whoever parks there, which likely includes Spring himself.

 

Also, Spring still personally owns the 90x90 foot parcel on York St. near Kaiser Pickle.  He put the lots up for sale earlier this year but they did not sell.  He personally owns land where people could camp but he doesn't invite them there - he puts them instead at the corner of Republic & 13th. 

Photo images do not capture the pervasive odor of human feces. Nonetheless, a little of the reason local residents do not like homeless outdoor living can be seen from the image below. This is my parking pad in the rear of my well occupied building.

Um, no thanks, Facebook.

Just happened to read both these articles today that had the totals of homeless for both cities and was quite shocked. Based on the visibility and negative news about the homeless situation out west i would have guessed San Francisco to have 10x more homeless than Cincinnati (and that number for Cincinnati evens seems high). https://sf.curbed.com/2019/7/22/20704224/bay-area-point-in-time-homless-count-2019

 

https://www.wcpo.com/news/transportation-development/move-up-cincinnati/one-year-after-cincinnatis-tent-city-the-search-continues-for-solutions-to-address-homelessness

 

Perhaps because outside Metro Cincinnati the numbers drop dramatically but the areas around San Fran are still equally high and that burdens the system even more? Either way the numbers are surprising.

 

4 minutes ago, SleepyLeroy said:

Just happened to read both these articles today that had the totals of homeless for both cities and was quite shocked. Based on the visibility and negative news about the homeless situation out west i would have guessed San Francisco to have 10x more homeless than Cincinnati (and that number for Cincinnati evens seems high). https://sf.curbed.com/2019/7/22/20704224/bay-area-point-in-time-homless-count-2019

 

https://www.wcpo.com/news/transportation-development/move-up-cincinnati/one-year-after-cincinnatis-tent-city-the-search-continues-for-solutions-to-address-homelessness

 

Perhaps because outside Metro Cincinnati the numbers drop dramatically but the areas around San Fran are still equally high and that burdens the system even more? Either way the numbers are surprising.

 

TL;DR

7,036 people in Cincinnati and Hamilton County experienced homelessness in 2018

San Francisco’s report to the federal Department of Housing and Urban Development cited a count of 8,011 homeless persons, an increase of 6.8 percent from 7,499 in 2017

21 hours ago, SleepyLeroy said:

TL;DR

7,036 people in Cincinnati and Hamilton County experienced homelessness in 2018

San Francisco’s report to the federal Department of Housing and Urban Development cited a count of 8,011 homeless persons, an increase of 6.8 percent from 7,499 in 2017

 

How do you even tally homeless people?

 

I was under the impression that the homeless in San Francisco would travel in large caravan's and packs and would stay in San Francisco for maybe 6 months then travel to San Diego for the winter.

 

 

2 minutes ago, troeros said:

 

How do you even tally homeless people?

 

I was under the impression that the homeless in San Francisco would travel in large caravan's and packs and would stay in San Francisco for maybe 6 months then travel to San Diego for the winter.

 

 

 

 

To the best of my knowledge these agencies conduct a survey of homeless shelters to get a count of bed occupancy. Then they go to known encampments and count who is there. The count is never 100% accurate, but it's a better count than no count at all.

 

For the 2010 Census police officers went out to count the number of people staying at known places in the city and send that tally to the Census Bureau .