Any new updates???? The construction is coming along at a good clip it would seem.

I just realized that Pinecrest is in line to be the Crocker Park of the east side and be what Legacy Village should have been in terms of being a more "complete" lifestyle center. I still feel the development needs more names to come to the development but it will be interesting to see what it can accomplish.

Let me preface this by saying what an utter ABOMINATION this whole development is.

 

That said, Slyman's wasn't too bad. It goes without saying it doesn't hold a candle to the original, but what ever does. It's pretty good for what it is, and with parking by Jacks getting more and more stressful, I could see going back.

Let me preface this by saying what an utter ABOMINATION this whole development is.

 

What makes you say that

The last thing the east side suburbs needs are more retail. Look at Severance, University Square, Oakwood (a bigger cancer than Pinecrest), City View, Legacy Village, Eastgate, Pavilion, Mentor, Richmond, Eton, where the dollar theater was in Willoughby Hills, both Cedar Centers, that unfinished plaza on Miles/Brainard in Solon, Van Aken, Shaker Square (yeah, I know it's Cleveland technically), that Shaker Heights retail plaza on Chagrin, Golden Gate, and it goes on and on and on and on. Virtually all save for Eton are struggling financially and with tenant shortages as it is.

 

The east side needs development to happen in the existing retail centers. With a stagnating/decreasing metro population, the region does not gain s*** with Pinecrest as a whole, only additional empty storefronts. Good for the developers, bad for Greater Cleveland.

 

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Development for the sake of development is the ideology of the cancer cell.

The last thing the east side suburbs needs are more retail. Look at Severance, University Square, Oakwood (a bigger cancer than Pinecrest), City View, Legacy Village, Eastgate, Pavilion, Mentor, Richmond, Eton, where the dollar theater was in Willoughby Hills, both Cedar Centers, that unfinished plaza on Miles/Brainard in Solon, Van Aken, Shaker Square (yeah, I know it's Cleveland technically), that Shaker Heights retail plaza on Chagrin, Golden Gate, and it goes on and on and on and on. Virtually all save for Eton are struggling financially and with tenant shortages as it is.

 

The east side needs development to happen in the existing retail centers. With a stagnating/decreasing metro population, the region does not gain shit with Pinecrest as a whole, only additional empty storefronts. Good for the developers, bad for Greater Cleveland.

 

Just as a note, Shaker Towne Square (that Shaker Heights retail plaza on Chagrin) is fully leased.  It still may not be financially viable, but I suspect it probably is.  Also, isn't the upgrade to Van Aken exactly what you are asking for?  A development to an existing retail center?  I think if that does well then University square may be able to use that in part of their pitch to change around that shopping center.

^Is University Square a mall or what? The structure always confused me lol

The only thing saving University Square is a wrecking ball.

The last thing the east side suburbs needs are more retail. Look at Severance, University Square, Oakwood (a bigger cancer than Pinecrest), City View, Legacy Village, Eastgate, Pavilion, Mentor, Richmond, Eton, where the dollar theater was in Willoughby Hills, both Cedar Centers, that unfinished plaza on Miles/Brainard in Solon, Van Aken, Shaker Square (yeah, I know it's Cleveland technically), that Shaker Heights retail plaza on Chagrin, Golden Gate, and it goes on and on and on and on. Virtually all save for Eton are struggling financially and with tenant shortages as it is.

 

The east side needs development to happen in the existing retail centers. With a stagnating/decreasing metro population, the region does not gain shit with Pinecrest as a whole, only additional empty storefronts. Good for the developers, bad for Greater Cleveland.

 

Just as a note, Shaker Towne Square (that Shaker Heights retail plaza on Chagrin) is fully leased.  It still may not be financially viable, but I suspect it probably is.  Also, isn't the upgrade to Van Aken exactly what you are asking for?  A development to an existing retail center?  I think if that does well then University square may be able to use that in part of their pitch to change around that shopping center.

 

I had heard differently about Shaker Towne Square, but I'll defer to you. As for Van Aken, I'm a huge fan of the project and think there is unlimited potential. It's an existing retail plaza with direct rapid connections downtown, the kind of revitalization project that the region should be investing in, not the zero sum game of a Pinecrest.

Pinecrest is an entirely different animal from any of those other developments.  It combines residential with Class A office, and every day amenities like a grocery store.  Plus all the retail/entertainment options.  Nothing else does.  Plainly speaking, it should not compete with most of the centers mentioned except Legacy and Eton.

 

The big thing I'm watching here is the office leasing progress.  I could care less about Shake Shake or Cold Stone or REI come in.

The last thing the east side suburbs needs are more retail. Look at Severance, University Square, Oakwood (a bigger cancer than Pinecrest), City View, Legacy Village, Eastgate, Pavilion, Mentor, Richmond, Eton, where the dollar theater was in Willoughby Hills, both Cedar Centers, that unfinished plaza on Miles/Brainard in Solon, Van Aken, Shaker Square (yeah, I know it's Cleveland technically), that Shaker Heights retail plaza on Chagrin, Golden Gate, and it goes on and on and on and on. Virtually all save for Eton are struggling financially and with tenant shortages as it is.

 

The east side needs development to happen in the existing retail centers. With a stagnating/decreasing metro population, the region does not gain shit with Pinecrest as a whole, only additional empty storefronts. Good for the developers, bad for Greater Cleveland.

 

While even a retail-lover like me thinks it would have been better off for Pinecrest not to have been built (by merely adding the dozens of missing retailers and restaurants that most big metros already have - but Cleveland lacks - to Eton, Beachwood Place, Legacy, etc...) - this notion that too much dead or under-leased retail space of any kind means no specific kinds of retail of any kind should be built seems flawed. There are still 3.5-4.0MM potential shoppers/diners within an hour or so of Pinecrest (which looks pretty well done to me...) - and, like it or not, retailers who want to be here - and who shoppers will flock to (REI, Vineyard Vines, etc...) may have already passed on locations in the aforementioned centers due to lack of spaces with specific co-tenants nearby, etc.. even though vacancies exist. Retailers don't lower their standards even if the public at large doesn't understand that logic.

 

Eastgate and Oakwood Commons and University Square and Miles/Brainard strip centers - or even Great Lakes Mall - have almost 0% to do with the kind of retail that exists (or customer who shops) at Eton, Legacy, Beachwood Place or will be going into Pinecrest. Jumbling traditional strip center or old developments or fringe-area shopping centers with upscale, mostly-leased (always in flux.. always), centers in areas with extremely attractive demographics, for any market, is like saying there should be no new homes built in, say, Pepper Pike - a well-off community of large homes - because there are so many inexpensive, small, vacant homes in inner-ring Cleveland that could be occupied. The two have virtually nothing to do with each other. It's true, however, that there are simply too many strip centers... mid-level retailers... and other where it was once thought a city like CLE needed 20 locations - when 5 would have done. (Most of the Legacy, Beachwood, Pinecrest, Eton retailers and restaurants will have 1 or 2 stores in the entire market - not one on every corner - geared toward consumers with money to spend on brands and experiences). This ain't Subway and Great Clips and Walgreens we're talking about...

 

The project I REALLY think that should have been re-thought and scaled down is Van Aken. Though I love the idea of a town center for Shaker - this is a very big $100MM risk for an area that is a bit off the beaten path - even for people not far away, like me (in Chagrin Falls - only 25 mins away, due west) but will be in direct, upscale competition with the nearby/more accessible/more advertised/more visible Pinecrest, Beachwood Place, et al... all of which will have similar retailers. I fear Van Aken will be the loser in this bunch - though I hope I'm proven wrong.

^ I think the Van Aken District is not trying to be like those lifestyle centers though, its smaller and not bringing in bigger chains from out of the area.  There really isn't a ton of retail space, 1/3 of pinecrest. 

 

I just hope if this does well they don't go too overboard with their second phase across the tracks.  They still have the space that Fresh market was going to move to as well to build on.

 

One thing they have done well is to provide lots of opportunities for shakerites to come together, having events both in the summer and winter.  Keeping those going will help all the prospective business that open there.

Van Aken definitely has focused on local - with announced or soon-to-be tenants like Mitchell's and Cleveland Clothing... but with a nearly $100MM investment - needs to bring in customers...

 

Also, in addition to local offerings, growing national chain Shinola (selling $500-$1000+ watches and leather goods) is long-announced as a key player in the development - and Genuine Pizza, from Miami, will be joining, too. Though originally a more urban brand, Shinola has been putting recent new stores in more high profile, new developments - like Easton in Columbus - more in line with Pinecrest - where it probably should be in CLE..  Perhaps my fear is that retailers like that won't find the traffic they need.

 

 

^ I have to imagine that they have looked at where their online sales are going to in the CLE MSA, and determined that Van Aken gives them better access to those that are making purchases.  While there is good money in Gates Mills, etc. there is also the same in the country club district of Shaker. 

 

You are right though that they are spending a good chunk of money for the development.  So I too am hoping that it succeeds wildly.  I know my wife is eagerly waiting for the Mitchells to open.  We have biked to the one in University Circle from Shaker, and that hill back up after ice cream is not so easy.  A quick trip down Van Aken will be much better.

^ I have to imagine that they have looked at where their online sales are going to in the CLE MSA, and determined that Van Aken gives them better access to those that are making purchases.  While there is good money in Gates Mills, etc. there is also the same in the country club district of Shaker. 

 

With just 1 store in this metro area, at least to start, I'd bet that any of the east side shopping locations would have given Shinola relatively easy access to their existing customer base (my family, for one.. multiple watches, wallets, etc...... Love them!) It may be that Van Aken merely made the first, best pitch to them. The store was announced in Fall 2015... Shinola was still a limited-store brand then - maybe fewer than 10 stores... mostly in urban areas. Now they are expanding rapidly and to many suburbs and multiple locations in some cities.

The last thing the east side suburbs needs are more retail. Look at Severance, University Square, Oakwood (a bigger cancer than Pinecrest), City View, Legacy Village, Eastgate, Pavilion, Mentor, Richmond, Eton, where the dollar theater was in Willoughby Hills, both Cedar Centers, that unfinished plaza on Miles/Brainard in Solon, Van Aken, Shaker Square (yeah, I know it's Cleveland technically), that Shaker Heights retail plaza on Chagrin, Golden Gate, and it goes on and on and on and on. Virtually all save for Eton are struggling financially and with tenant shortages as it is.

 

The east side needs development to happen in the existing retail centers. With a stagnating/decreasing metro population, the region does not gain shit with Pinecrest as a whole, only additional empty storefronts. Good for the developers, bad for Greater Cleveland.

 

While even a retail-lover like me thinks it would have been better off for Pinecrest not to have been built (by merely adding the dozens of missing retailers and restaurants that most big metros already have - but Cleveland lacks - to Eton, Beachwood Place, Legacy, etc...) - this notion that too much dead or under-leased retail space of any kind means no specific kinds of retail of any kind should be built seems flawed. There are still 3.5-4.0MM potential shoppers/diners within an hour or so of Pinecrest (which looks pretty well done to me...) - and, like it or not, retailers who want to be here - and who shoppers will flock to (REI, Vineyard Vines, etc...) may have already passed on locations in the aforementioned centers due to lack of spaces with specific co-tenants nearby, etc.. even though vacancies exist. Retailers don't lower their standards even if the public at large doesn't understand that logic.

 

Eastgate and Oakwood Commons and University Square and Miles/Brainard strip centers - or even Great Lakes Mall - have almost 0% to do with the kind of retail that exists (or customer who shops) at Eton, Legacy, Beachwood Place or will be going into Pinecrest. Jumbling traditional strip center or old developments or fringe-area shopping centers with upscale, mostly-leased (always in flux.. always), centers in areas with extremely attractive demographics, for any market, is like saying there should be no new homes built in, say, Pepper Pike - a well-off community of large homes - because there are so many inexpensive, small, vacant homes in inner-ring Cleveland that could be occupied. The two have virtually nothing to do with each other. It's true, however, that there are simply too many strip centers... mid-level retailers... and other where it was once thought a city like CLE needed 20 locations - when 5 would have done. (Most of the Legacy, Beachwood, Pinecrest, Eton retailers and restaurants will have 1 or 2 stores in the entire market - not one on every corner - geared toward consumers with money to spend on brands and experiences). This ain't Subway and Great Clips and Walgreens we're talking about...

 

The project I REALLY think that should have been re-thought and scaled down is Van Aken. Though I love the idea of a town center for Shaker - this is a very big $100MM risk for an area that is a bit off the beaten path - even for people not far away, like me (in Chagrin Falls - only 25 mins away, due west) but will be in direct, upscale competition with the nearby/more accessible/more advertised/more visible Pinecrest, Beachwood Place, et al... all of which will have similar retailers. I fear Van Aken will be the loser in this bunch - though I hope I'm proven wrong.

 

This development is certainly geared towards Shaker residents.  People here have been dying for quality retail options.  i think the community itself will support it. All people from outlying communities will be gravy

Pinecrest adds two new tenants

https://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/news/local_news/pinecrest-adds-two-new-tenants/article_166865a4-129e-11e8-ac12-13949d1ae4e2.html

Cool so that means the Key penthouse is available for UO and Associates, LLC. Who's chipping in?

For small firms currently located in drab, low-amenity office parks, it's pretty easy to imagine the appeal of a place like Pinecrest. Bummer to see the firm leave Key Tower, though.

Pinecrest lands two law firms per

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20180216/news/152281/pinecrest-lands-two-law-firms

 

Intellectual property firm Amin, Turocy & Watson LLP plans to exit a penthouse atop Key Tower downtown for the $240 million Pinecrest mixed-use project under construction in Orange Village.

 

Pinecrest developers Fairmount Properties of Cleveland and DiGeronimo Cos. of Independence announced they had leased 6,200 square feet to Amin Turocy and 5,000 square feet to internet defamation law firm Minc LLC. Minc will move from Woodmere Village.

Nice to see the Cleveland Jewish News scoop Crain's, Larry1962[/member].

Pinecrest adds two new tenants

https://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/news/local_news/pinecrest-adds-two-new-tenants/article_166865a4-129e-11e8-ac12-13949d1ae4e2.html Thank heavens those two huge mixed-use projects planned for Solon fizzled away.  On a smaller scale, ditto the project planned for Hudson south of the downtown.

Any one know what's going in across Harvard? The lots owned by the City of Cleveland have been razed.

Pinecrest lands two law firms per

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20180216/news/152281/pinecrest-lands-two-law-firms

 

Intellectual property firm Amin, Turocy & Watson LLP plans to exit a penthouse atop Key Tower downtown for the $240 million Pinecrest mixed-use project under construction in Orange Village.

 

Pinecrest developers Fairmount Properties of Cleveland and DiGeronimo Cos. of Independence announced they had leased 6,200 square feet to Amin Turocy and 5,000 square feet to internet defamation law firm Minc LLC. Minc will move from Woodmere Village.

 

This is a great project but the office leasing is still going slowly.  They have buildings ready to complete this summer.  I don't think they are even 50% leased yet.  Retail on the other hand is going very well.  Maybe this is part of their plan, who knows

^Actually, I was going to ask why the retail component seems to be so weak so close to opening.  I am only basing this on the website but the only non entertainment new to Cleveland stores seem to be Vineyard Vines, REI and West Elm (actually do we already have one at Legacy?) and the theft of 3 other stores from other centers (basically only 6 non-entertainment leases).  Are there more stores signed up that are not listed on the website home page?

 

And 50% office leases on a speculative project seems pretty decent at this point in the project.

 

Also wondering what is going on across Harvard.  Massive clearing recently.

Any one know what's going in across Harvard? The lots owned by the City of Cleveland have been razed.

 

Drury Inn hotel, Cooper's Hawk restaurant, office building plus 1 more unnamed restaurant.

^Actually, I was going to ask why the retail component seems to be so weak so close to opening.  I am only basing this on the website but the only non entertainment new to Cleveland stores seem to be Vineyard Vines, REI and West Elm (actually do we already have one at Legacy?) and the theft of 3 other stores from other centers (basically only 6 non-entertainment leases).  Are there more stores signed up that are not listed on the website home page?

 

And 50% office leases on a speculative project seems pretty decent at this point in the project.

 

Also wondering what is going on across Harvard.  Massive clearing recently.

 

Quite a few more stores signed up vs what's listed on site (in various pages) - including some announced in other ways but not shown (Graeter's, etc...) - some 80% or more retail is leased but likely that's in square feet not in storefronts. And development opening in stages over months not all at once.... Looks very behind on unofficial May original timeline.. only REI opening then. (Answering question: West Elm new... Not at Legacy...)

 

Fairmount is a local company and not savvy like a national company would be... Very poor social media and PR on this development. No excitement. No buzz.

^^Thanks for the info.  Why do I get the  feeling that this project is not going to win any awards.

The Whole Foods is going to be a big driver.  For everything honestly - other retail, apartments, etc

The Whole Foods is going to be a big driver.  For everything honestly - other retail, apartments, etc

 

The Whole Foods is still totally empty inside... Driving by, you see a finished exterior and can see throigh entire interior, wall to wall... Likely months and months and months off til completion.

^Actually, I was going to ask why the retail component seems to be so weak so close to opening.  I am only basing this on the website but the only non entertainment new to Cleveland stores seem to be Vineyard Vines, REI and West Elm (actually do we already have one at Legacy?) and the theft of 3 other stores from other centers (basically only 6 non-entertainment leases).  Are there more stores signed up that are not listed on the website home page?

 

And 50% office leases on a speculative project seems pretty decent at this point in the project.

 

Also wondering what is going on across Harvard.  Massive clearing recently.

 

Quite a few more stores signed up vs what's listed on site (in various pages) - including some announced in other ways but not shown (Graeter's, etc...) - some 80% or more retail is leased but likely that's in square feet not in storefronts. And development opening in stages over months not all at once.... Looks very behind on unofficial May original timeline.. only REI opening then. (Answering question: West Elm new... Not at Legacy...)

 

Fairmount is a local company and not savvy like a national company would be... Very poor social media and PR on this development. No excitement. No buzz.

 

Where is the info about a Graeters!?! I haven't heard that one yet but that would be great!

The Whole Foods is going to be a big driver.  For everything honestly - other retail, apartments, etc

 

The Whole Foods is still totally empty inside... Driving by, you see a finished exterior and can see throigh entire interior, wall to wall... Likely months and months and months off til completion.

 

It will take about 4-5 months to complete the interior buildout with coolers, flooring, shelving, checkouts etc.  Once they start, that is

^Actually, I was going to ask why the retail component seems to be so weak so close to opening.  I am only basing this on the website but the only non entertainment new to Cleveland stores seem to be Vineyard Vines, REI and West Elm (actually do we already have one at Legacy?) and the theft of 3 other stores from other centers (basically only 6 non-entertainment leases).  Are there more stores signed up that are not listed on the website home page?

 

And 50% office leases on a speculative project seems pretty decent at this point in the project.

 

Also wondering what is going on across Harvard.  Massive clearing recently.

 

Quite a few more stores signed up vs what's listed on site (in various pages) - including some announced in other ways but not shown (Graeter's, etc...) - some 80% or more retail is leased but likely that's in square feet not in storefronts. And development opening in stages over months not all at once.... Looks very behind on unofficial May original timeline.. only REI opening then. (Answering question: West Elm new... Not at Legacy...)

 

Fairmount is a local company and not savvy like a national company would be... Very poor social media and PR on this development. No excitement. No buzz.

 

Where is the info about a Graeters!?! I haven't heard that one yet but that would be great!

 

Graeter's has been on leasing plan for 2.5 yrs. . Quietly confirmed in March 12 post on Pinecrest ("Discover Pinecrest") Instagram page...

Great news - I have missed Graeter's ever since I moved back to Cleveland from Cbus... Mitchell's is pretty good though I guess.

Meh... Graeter's is good, but I'll take Mitchell's over it any day.

Also Ohio’s first Shake Shack going there!!

City Works beer-bar-restaurant to open in Orange Village

Updated 1:14 PM; Posted 1:13 PM

By Marc Bona, cleveland.com,  mbonaCleveland[/member].com

 

ORANGE VILLAGE, Ohio - City Works - a craft-beer focused bar and restaurant that also serves brunch - is scheduled to open Friday, May 18, in the Pinecrest development in Orange Village.

 

The 9,000 square-foot restaurant on the east side has seating for 184 people, 11 large televisions plus two patios with three TVs. Private-event space is available.

 

A rotating beer list will include more than 90 local, regional and imported brews. Of note to local craft-beer fans: 40 percent of the beers will be from Greater Cleveland. Six-ounce tasting pours will be available, and flights - pre-selected and build-your-own - also will be options.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2018/04/city_works_beer-bar-restaurant.html

Big Fun and B. A. Sweetie are combining on a Pinecrest location.  :)

^ Interesting considering Big Fun at Coventry is closing. There is also a Big Fun in Columbus that isn't closing. I wonder if the original owner is just licensing the name.

I thought I read on here a while back that Nada Tacos (eatdrinknada.com) was coming to Pinecrest, which would have been great. If it is indeed coming to Pinecrest, nobody at Nada is aware and was told that they are not planning on expanding to Cleveland anytime soon.

^ Interesting considering Big Fun at Coventry is closing. There is also a Big Fun in Columbus that isn't closing. I wonder if the original owner is just licensing the name.

 

According to two stories I read, plus Pinecrest's own comments, Big Fun founder and Sweetie's owner are working together on this shop "Sweetie's Big Fun" - and we're both pictures today at Pinecrest. Will be more a camsy shop with Big Fun elements, they say, but should be a nice addition.

I thought I read on here a while back that Nada Tacos (eatdrinknada.com) was coming to Pinecrest, which would have been great. If it is indeed coming to Pinecrest, nobody at Nada is aware and was told that they are not planning on expanding to Cleveland anytime soon.

 

I probably was the source of that... Published reports had Nada interested in CLE in recent years:

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/print-edition/2014/05/16/david-falk-turns-up-the-heat-at-nada.html

 

And "Nada" was clearly noted on store signage in Pinecrest renderings in past year, and I think on early leasing maps. So, there was clearly interest, though I understand  it may not have come  to pass. See "nada" with same logo and all - around 2:09 on Fairmount's Vimeo vid from 10 months ago . That's not a random name given the tenant.

 

Other renderings of stores in fly-bys, etc... have been either obviously fake or intentionally named to reflect known or likely  tenants. (Note: the name "Brassica" was also shown in the Pinecrest video above. That's another Columbus restaurant. A "Brassica Van Aken" recently filed a business name with state...Would be hard to believe if that's not the same restaurant... though different location. Lots of tenants being fought over on east side now. Things change...)

 

 

I thought I read on here a while back that Nada Tacos (eatdrinknada.com) was coming to Pinecrest, which would have been great. If it is indeed coming to Pinecrest, nobody at Nada is aware and was told that they are not planning on expanding to Cleveland anytime soon.

 

I probably was the source of that... Published reports had Nada interested in CLE in recent years:

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/print-edition/2014/05/16/david-falk-turns-up-the-heat-at-nada.html

 

And "Nada" was clearly noted on store signage in Pinecrest renderings in past year, and I think on early leasing maps. So, there was clearly interest, though I understand  it may not have come  to pass. Search Fairmount Properties on Vimeo to see vid for Pinecrest from 10 months ago. Screen shot below... same logo and all - around 2:09 on the vid if you watch it. That's not a random name given the tenant.

 

Other renderings of stores in fly-bys, etc... have been either obviously fake or intentionally named to reflect known or likely  tenants. (Note: the name "Brassica" was also shown in the Pinecrest video above. That's another Columbus restaurant. A "Brassica Van Aken" recently filed a business name with state...Would be hard to believe if that's not the same restaurant... though different location. Lots of tenants being fought over on east side now. Things change...)

Major tenants were announced today. Interesting that FlipSide, Fusian and Kona were left off the list even though still on the discoverpinecrest.com website. Here is the link listing the tenants. I've heard Duck Donuts is great. Next Door Eatery could be interesting as well.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2018/04/retailers_announced_at_230_mil_1.html

I've heard Brassica is great. Also I was told by the manager at Naf Naf in Independence (same concept as Brassica) that they were eyeing Pinecrest as well as a Beachwood location.

Major tenants were announced today. Interesting that FlipSide, Fusian and Kona were left off the list even though still on the discoverpinecrest.com website. Here is the link listing the tenants. I've heard Duck Donuts is great. Next Door Eatery could be interesting as well.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2018/04/retailers_announced_at_230_mil_1.html

 

Fusian is having corporate financial issues and doubt we will see them. Flip Side is being replaced by Shake Shack, but its 3 Palms sister will be there. Kona I have had doubts. Plans approved last Summer by Orange Village but no word at all since then. They have been looking in CLE for 15 years. Originally announced at Crocker. Sure could see them across Harvard from Pinecrest  or in Beachwood in soon to close Willams-Sonoma prime corner space, etc. (Actually thought they were going to Legacy Village an old Stir Crazy space until today's announcement of wild mango.)

Hopefully Nada will still happen, I was looking forward to it. Also bummed about Fusian if it is indeed not coming now too.

Fusian was also announced for Clifton Shoppes at the Cleveland-Lakewood line but since backed out.